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Responding to weak 2 overcall

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Bertil

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May 23, 2012, 5:39:41 PM5/23/12
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Are the responses to a weak 2M the same as if it were an opening bid?

Bertil

Adam Beneschan

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May 23, 2012, 5:56:45 PM5/23/12
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On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, Bertil wrote:
> Are the responses to a weak 2M the same as if it were an opening bid?


Not without discussion, but I've seen it played that way, with obvious exceptions for cue-bidding opener's suit. Bridge World Standard doesn't appear to discuss this case.

-- Adam

Stu Goodgold

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May 23, 2012, 7:04:35 PM5/23/12
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Nor should they! The question was about responses to a weak 2M, so a cue bid in partner's suit is usually called a raise.

-Stu Goodgold
San Jose, CA

Adam Beneschan

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May 23, 2012, 8:41:44 PM5/23/12
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No, I think this was about a jump overcall--check the subject line. And I wasn't clear: Bridge World Standard doesn't discuss *any* responses to jump overcalls.

-- Adam

derek

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May 23, 2012, 10:17:49 PM5/23/12
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On May 23, 8:04 pm, Stu Goodgold <st...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:56:45 PM UTC-7, Adam Beneschan wrote:
> > On Wednesday, May 23, 2012 2:39:41 PM UTC-7, Bertil wrote:
> > > Are the responses to a weak 2M the same as if it were an opening bid?
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> > Not without discussion, but I've seen it played that way, with obvious exceptions for cue-bidding opener's suit.  Bridge World Standard doesn't appear to discuss this case.
>
> Nor should they!  The question was about responses to a weak 2M, so a cue bid in partner's suit is usually called a raise.

I almost wrote the same thing - before I realized that, though that's
what he said in the actual question, the "subject" says "overcall".

Lorne

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May 24, 2012, 7:57:59 AM5/24/12
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"Bertil" wrote in message
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Are the responses to a weak 2M the same as if it were an opening bid?
.......................

It make a lot of sense to do that and I always have that agreement, but you
have to agree it with partner and I doubt anybody online would assume it
unless it had been discussed.

Stu Goodgold

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May 24, 2012, 6:08:54 PM5/24/12
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So which are we to believe, the subject line or the text? Perhaps neither; we should have ignored it all.

Paul Hightower

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May 25, 2012, 9:10:01 AM5/25/12
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"Bertil" <stigf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Are the responses to a weak 2M the same as if it were an opening bid?
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> Bertil

You should be aware that some newsreaders strip the subject line, making
your question appear to be nonsense. You are asking if the responses to a
weak jump overcall (2H or 2S) are the same as to an opening (weak) 2H or 2S.
Personally, I describe my WJO's as equivalent to a weak two, same basic
strength and shape if partner has not passed. For me, therefore, it's
reasonable to respond (or "advance") as if to a weak two, including new
suits as forcing and 2NT as an inquiry (features or Ogust.) The cue-bid of
opener's suit requires discussion, but in any case is clearly forcing. I
would assume absent discussion that it is a strong raise, setting the stage
for a penalty double if they bid over our game.

Those who make a WJO on hands of 2-5 hcp or whatever may prefer a different
scheme, but I can't offhand see much reason to play new suits or 2NT as
non-forcing. Some people play virtually every weak bid they can think of ("I
never get good cards!") and unintentionally rely on body language when they
have a strong hand for which they have no bid. Doesn't work very well online
:)


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