Hand 3 from the East Bay Sectional
metobillc
opens 1H in 1st chair, partner doubles (takeout, but includes strong
NT hands), RHO bids 1S. Before I show you my hand, what do you expect
2N to mean? And without discussion, how about double and 2S?
You hold xxx Kxxx AJT9 Kx.
Assuming you think 2N is invitational and bid it, LHO passes and
partner bids 3D. Now what? (Double and bid hands start at 17 or 18
HCP for us).
Bill Campbell
henry...@yahoo.com
If your 1nt overcall is artificial, then you have to have some
mechanism in place for advancer to show values in case doubler HAS a
strong 1nt. So, the way I prefer to play it, a 1nt advance shows
positive values, up to about a hand worth an invitational raise to 2nt
(say, 6 - a bad 9) and 2nt shows a hand that would force to game
opposite a strong 1nt overcall (say, a good 9 - 11). This means that
you can't double with crappy balanced 13 counts because the risk of
getting too high becomes excessive.
So your 11 point hand I would handle by bidding 2nt right away.
Now that 3d shows values, I am interested in slam, but am worried
about a heart ruff for them in 6d. So I will qbid 3h, trusting
partner to go above 3nt if he has slam interest, and signing off in
3nt if he doesn't. A hand like
Ax
x
KQxxxx
AQJx
can make an encouraging 4c bid, whereas a hand like
KJ
xx
KQxxxx
AQJ
signs off in 3nt.
Henrysun909
Dave Flower
I think that 2NT is invitational, but do not think this hand is worth
it. No-trumps will probably play very badly on a spade lead.
That being said, I can see no bid that appeals.
Dave Flower
jogs
With no discussion, never bid 2NT in this auction.
Invitational makes no sense. Refuse to play it as
invitational. 2NT must be conventional. If your side
can make exactly eight tricks in notrumps, you wont
know it during the auction.
Is 1S forcing? If so pass, opponents will get too high.
Kieran Dyke
"metobillc" <meto...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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I don't think that double-then-bid rules should apply to pulling notrump
partscores to minors. He should be able to remove 2NT to 3D with his 4054
10-count. Slam tries are particularly unlikely with both opponents bidding,
and if he was really dealt a surprise rock he can bid 3H (3S must be natural
and strong).
That said, I don't know what I'm doing here. Pass is possible, but
vulnerable at IMPs I'll give him one more chance - 4D. Although my spade
holding makes me fear the four level a bit - he might have Kxxx,x,KQxxx,Qxx
and be losing three spades, a club and a heart.
Tiggrr
Frisbieinstein
Let's see, 12+12+11+5 = 40, by golly it does add up. Bidding 2NT as
invitational doesn't make much sense because unless They are psyching
partner can't accept. Psyching doesn't make any sense, so you will be
stuck in 2NT and They know too much about each other's hands. So I
would think it means the unbid minors.
Once you've made the 2NT bid and partner bids 3D then for partner to
have 17 pts definitely means someone is psyching, and I don't believe
that. So I thank the stars it wasn't 3C and pass.
I would have bid 1NT instead of 2NT.
metobillc
> On Nov 24, 5:34 am, metobillc <metobi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > IMPS, Bracketed Swiss (top bracket), unfavorable vulnerability. LHO
> > opens 1H in 1st chair, partner doubles (takeout, but includes strong
> > NT hands), RHO bids 1S. Before I show you my hand, what do you expect
> > 2N to mean? And without discussion, how about double and 2S?
>
> > You hold xxx Kxxx AJT9 Kx.
>
> > Assuming you think 2N is invitational and bid it, LHO passes and
> > partner bids 3D. Now what? (Double and bid hands start at 17 or 18
> > HCP for us).
>
> > Bill Campbell
>
> Let's see, 12+12+11+5 = 40, by golly it does add up. Bidding 2NT as
> invitational doesn't make much sense because unless They are psyching
> partner can't accept. Psyching doesn't make any sense, so you will be
> stuck in 2NT and They know too much about each other's hands. So I
> would think it means the unbid minors.
1H-X-1S is one of the oldest psyches in the book, and we are at
unfavorable. 11 or 10 HCP openings are not that rare. 24 HCP between
2 hands with the location of most of the HCP known makes playing 3N
easier. So I don't think it's impossible for partner to have a 13 or
14 count that makes 3N.
> Once you've made the 2NT bid and partner bids 3D then for partner to
> have 17 pts definitely means someone is psyching, and I don't believe
> that. So I thank the stars it wasn't 3C and pass.
> I would have bid 1NT instead of 2NT.
Well, the other call I was thinking of was double.
Bill Campbell
Frisbieinstein
> On Nov 23, 8:21 pm, Frisbieinstein <patmpow...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Nov 24, 5:34 am, metobillc <metobi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > IMPS, Bracketed Swiss (top bracket), unfavorable vulnerability. LHO
> > > opens 1H in 1st chair, partner doubles (takeout, but includes strong
> > > NT hands), RHO bids 1S. Before I show you my hand, what do you expect
> > > 2N to mean? And without discussion, how about double and 2S?
>
> > > You hold xxx Kxxx AJT9 Kx.
>
> > > Assuming you think 2N is invitational and bid it, LHO passes and
> > > partner bids 3D. Now what? (Double and bid hands start at 17 or 18
> > > HCP for us).
>
> > > Bill Campbell
>
> > Let's see, 12+12+11+5 = 40, by golly it does add up. Bidding 2NT as
> > invitational doesn't make much sense because unless They are psyching
> > partner can't accept. Psyching doesn't make any sense, so you will be
> > stuck in 2NT and They know too much about each other's hands. So I
> > would think it means the unbid minors.
>
> 1H-X-1S is one of the oldest psyches in the book, and we are at
> unfavorable. 11 or 10 HCP openings are not that rare. 24 HCP between
> 2 hands with the location of most of the HCP known makes playing 3N
> easier. So I don't think it's impossible for partner to have a 13 or
> 14 count that makes 3N.
>
That's true. He could have spades and no points. Then you bid 1NT,
and partner will bid on with extra. If you bid 2NT partner more or
less must assume it is the minors.
> > Once you've made the 2NT bid and partner bids 3D then for partner to
> > have 17 pts definitely means someone is psyching, and I don't believe
> > that. So I thank the stars it wasn't 3C and pass.
> > I would have bid 1NT instead of 2NT.
>
> Well, the other call I was thinking of was double.
>
> Bill Campbell
In the book I use that is a penalty double and implies you hold
spades, so if partner takes it that way it is a problem. If partner
thinks it is a responsive double showing the minors then that's also
no good. So I don't see how you win with a double.