How do you bid this - two cases

[bhmwe...@gmail.com]

A54
AJ
A5
AT9764


Match point-pairs, non-vul vs vul.

Partner passes and RHO opens with 1C. They play 4-card majors, so 1C promises 4+ clubs.

Your call?




OK, the person who had your hand decided to pass on 1 C. LHO passes as well, and partner doubles. (Good partner, you think).
Now, as you prepare yourself to pass on the double, RHO instead bids 1D.
What now?


Recap: The bidding went:

Pass - (1C) - Pass - (Pass)
X - (1D) - ?



(I should say that at my table partner instead bid 2C, which I corrected to 4S. 2C was of course a much better bid on partner's KJ8xx 9xxxx KQx - )

[Co Wiersma]

Op 7-6-2013 10:36, bhmwe...@gmail.com schreef:

pass and 3N

Co Wiersma

[Lorne]

On 07/06/2013 09:36, bhmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
> A54
> AJ
> A5
> AT9764
>
>
> Match point-pairs, non-vul vs vul.
>
> Partner passes and RHO opens with 1C. They play 4-card majors, so 1C promises 4+ clubs.
>
> Your call?
>
>
>
>
> OK, the person who had your hand decided to pass on 1 C. LHO passes as well, and partner doubles. (Good partner, you think).
> Now, as you prepare yourself to pass on the double, RHO instead bids 1D.
> What now?
>
>
> Recap: The bidding went:
>
> Pass - (1C) - Pass - (Pass)
> X - (1D) - ?
>

Pass first time. I generally find I get poor results if i bid with 5
or more in the oppo suit unless it is obvious not to pass.

Second time NS are in big trouble if he bid on 5-4 shape, and 6-5 is
very unlikely given your hand, so I want to defend. I start with a
double and hope partner passes. If he bids I try 3N.

[Steve Willner]

On 2013-06-07 4:36 AM, bhmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
> A54 AJ A5 AT9764 Match point-pairs, non-vul vs vul. Partner passes
> and RHO opens with 1C. They play 4-card majors, so 1C promises 4+
> clubs.

1NT, but pass isn't crazy, depending on what followup methods you have.

> OK, the person who had your hand decided to pass on 1 C. LHO passes
> as well, and partner doubles. (Good partner, you think). Now, as you
> prepare yourself to pass on the double, RHO instead bids 1D. What
> now?

I suppose you are stuck with 2D, artificial and forcing. (Double would
be penalty, right? If so, 2D should be artificial.) 2C would be
natural and non-forcing, rather an underbid. I suppose 3C would be
natural and forcing, but I'd rather see what partner has in mind.

> (I should say that at my table partner instead bid 2C, which I
> corrected to 4S. 2C was of course a much better bid on partner's
> KJ8xx 9xxxx KQx - )

Why isn't 4S a good contract? Don't you win five tricks in the plain
suits and five or more trumps? Looks like a reasonable shot to me, even
if this happens to be the day it doesn't make.

Of course if partner opens 2S in first seat, life would have been a lot
easier.

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[bhmwe...@gmail.com]

Den tisdagen den 11:e juni 2013 kl. 03:57:23 UTC+2 skrev Steve Willner:
> On 2013-06-07 4:36 AM, bhmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > A54 AJ A5 AT9764 Match point-pairs, non-vul vs vul. Partner passes
>
> > and RHO opens with 1C. They play 4-card majors, so 1C promises 4+
>
> > clubs.
>
>
>
> 1NT, but pass isn't crazy, depending on what followup methods you have.
>
>
>
> > OK, the person who had your hand decided to pass on 1 C. LHO passes
>
> > as well, and partner doubles. (Good partner, you think). Now, as you
>
> > prepare yourself to pass on the double, RHO instead bids 1D. What
>
> > now?
>
>
>
> I suppose you are stuck with 2D, artificial and forcing. (Double would
>
> be penalty, right? If so, 2D should be artificial.) 2C would be
>
> natural and non-forcing, rather an underbid. I suppose 3C would be
>
> natural and forcing, but I'd rather see what partner has in mind.
>
>
>
> > (I should say that at my table partner instead bid 2C, which I
>
> > corrected to 4S. 2C was of course a much better bid on partner's
>
> > KJ8xx 9xxxx KQx - )
>
>
>
> Why isn't 4S a good contract?

It is a good contract. I referred to the fact that partner's 2C was a much better bid than X.

> Of course if partner opens 2S in first seat, life would have been a lot
>
> easier.

Not if 2S is a strong opening.
And a weak opening with a 5-card heart suit on the side is not the best opening, I wager.

[lowerline]

Op vrijdag 7 juni 2013 10:36:14 UTC+2 schreef bhmwe...@gmail.com het volgende:

> A54
>
> AJ
>
> A5
>
> AT9764
>
>
>
>
>
> Match point-pairs, non-vul vs vul.
>
>
>
> Partner passes and RHO opens with 1C. They play 4-card majors, so 1C promises 4+ clubs.
>
>
>
> Your call?

This hand is too strong to pass IMHO. A 1nt overcall is reasonable, but I prefer to double and rebid 1nt, showing a balanced 18-20.
If partner surprises me with 1nt or higher I will bid 3nt (but if he bids 2S I will bid 4S).

Steven

[Fred.]

I agree with the initial pass, though I think 1NT is reasonable.

After partner reopens with a double and RHO rebids 1D, I would bid 2C, which in
my book shows a trap pass of 1C, and leave the next move up to partner.
Partner perhaps has a 5-card spade suit with no help in diamonds for 3NT.

Fred.

[judyo...@gmail.com]

>
> After partner reopens with a double and RHO rebids 1D, I would bid 2C, which in
>
> my book shows a trap pass of 1C, and leave the next move up to partner.
>
> Partner perhaps has a 5-card spade suit with no help in diamonds for 3NT.
>
>
>
> Fred.

Wouldn't you do the same without one of your aces?

Carl

[Steve Willner]

On 2013-06-11 5:34 AM, bhmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
> I referred to the fact that partner's 2C was a much better bid than
> X.

Let me make sure I understand this. The hands are
KJ8xx 9xxxx KQx -v- opposite A54 AJ A5 AT9764, and the bidding is

P-(1C)-P-(P)-
x-(1D)-

and you are saying 2C here is a good bid? I'd expect that to be natural
and non-forcing, a bit "wet" with a 17-count, don't you think?

If you play 2C some other way, you might tell us what you think it
means. Does it show spades? If not, the jump to 4S with major-suit
hand seems odd. Why should the club bidder have any spades?

SW> Of course if [West] opens 2S in first seat, life would have been a
SW> lot easier

> Not if 2S is a strong opening.

No argument there!

> And a weak opening with a 5-card heart suit on the side is not the
> best opening, I wager.

I'll take that wager. (Specified conditions were green at matchpoints.)

I like it even better if the weak-two opening is 2D; I can decide after
partner's response which major I have a weak two in (2S over 2H but 3H
or maybe 3D) over 2S.

Of course if you have no weak-two opening available, all this is moot.

[bhmwe...@gmail.com]

Den torsdagen den 13:e juni 2013 kl. 22:42:07 UTC+2 skrev Steve Willner:
> On 2013-06-11 5:34 AM, bhmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
>
> > I referred to the fact that partner's 2C was a much better bid than
>
> > X.
>
>
>
> Let me make sure I understand this. The hands are
>
> KJ8xx 9xxxx KQx -v- opposite A54 AJ A5 AT9764, and the bidding is
>
>
>
> P-(1C)-P-(P)-
>
> x-(1D)-
>
>
>
> and you are saying 2C here is a good bid?

Nope, I was saying that 2C here:

Pass - (1C) - pass - (pass)
2C

is a good bid.

[Fred.]

No. With the double partner committed us to the
assumption that this is our hand. I pass the
weaker hand a second time.

Fred.


Fred.

[Steve Willner]

On 2013-06-14 5:49 AM, bhmwe...@gmail.com wrote:
> Nope, I was saying that 2C here:
> Pass - (1C) - pass - (pass)
> 2C
> is a good bid.

[on KJ8xx 9xxxx KQx -v-]

Sorry for the misunderstanding. Yes, 2C is fine here if it shows majors
or spades and another. Jumping to 4S with the hand opposite (A54 AJ A5
AT9764) strikes me as precipitous, though. Why shouldn't the KQ have
been in hearts instead of diamonds?

There were people saying 2C was good in the auction I understood. My
opinion of that remains unchanged.