> I have two questions related to the "number of auctions" thread. > Assuming opponents pass all the time, what is
> * The longest meaningful auction. > * The longest meaningful auction that does not leave out a bid (i.e. 1C 1D > 1H 1S etc.)
> You may pick a system of your choice.
> Gerben
Think we'll win this one ... SPAM features a 13+ pass, so
A J654 AK 9753 KT63 AQ74 AK7543 8
Pass 1C 6-10 any 1D 1H spades 1S 1N hearts 2C 2D 3-suited 2H 2S diamonds 2NT 3C 4-4-4-1 3D 3H 4 SPs (3-2-1 scale) 3S 3NT 0/2 in spades (no AKQ or 2 including the ace) 4C 4D 0/2 in hearts 4H 4S 0/2 in diamonds 4NT 5C 0 spades 5D 5H 0 hearts 5S 5NT no DJ (East now nows that West knows he has D-AQ) 6D no
West bids to 2NT are shape relays, 3D asks for strength, rest is denial cuebidding. 5NT is the last relay, West would try 7D if East showed DJ.
The DCB is a bit clunky but does the job eventually. It's good for West that East has no major honour, implying D-AQ. Of course East doesn't know that West knows this so we have to go round again to focus on DJ.
P - 1C = 6-11 part. bal or 12+ any 1D - 1H = 12+ any 1S - 1NT = 14+ bal. 0r 16+ s/void 2C - 2D= 14-17 minor balanced OR ++ else 2H - 2S= 14-17 balanced clubs 2NT - 3C = 5332 or 2=2=4=5 14-15p. (stiff KQ deduct 1 p.) 3D - 3H = 2=3=3=5 or 2=2=4=5 3S - 3NT = 2=3=3=5 4C - 4D = 0 or 3 Aces/5 if 3 then no QC 4H - 4S = non or KQ H 4NT - 5C = non or KQ D 5D - 5H = non or KQ S 5S - 5NT = no Jack clubs
6D - 6H = no Jack H 6S - 7C = Jack D 7NT = P
P = 13+ any shape 1D = 13+ balanced or ++ else 1S = 18+ bal. or 17+ else 2C = 18+ bal. or 21+ else 2H-3S = relays 4C = SLam Asking Bid C 4H = Suit Asking Bid H 4NT = Suit Asking Bid D 5D = Suit Asking Bid S 5S = scan Jacks start with clubs
> Nick Hughes wrote: >> Think we'll win this one ...
> Equal result with a WOS and Pass = 13+ :
> A KQ > Axxx KQx > Axxxx KQJ > AKQ xxxxx
> P - 1C = 6-11 part. bal or 12+ any > 1D - 1H = 12+ any > 1S - 1NT = 14+ bal. 0r 16+ s/void > 2C - 2D= 14-17 minor balanced OR ++ else > 2H - 2S= 14-17 balanced clubs > 2NT - 3C = 5332 or 2=2=4=5 14-15p. (stiff KQ deduct 1 p.) > 3D - 3H = 2=3=3=5 or 2=2=4=5 > 3S - 3NT = 2=3=3=5 > 4C - 4D = 0 or 3 Aces/5 if 3 then no QC > 4H - 4S = non or KQ H > 4NT - 5C = non or KQ D > 5D - 5H = non or KQ S > 5S - 5NT = no Jack clubs
> 6D - 6H = no Jack H > 6S - 7C = Jack D > 7NT = P
> P = 13+ any shape > 1D = 13+ balanced or ++ else > 1S = 18+ bal. or 17+ else > 2C = 18+ bal. or 21+ else > 2H-3S = relays > 4C = SLam Asking Bid C > 4H = Suit Asking Bid H > 4NT = Suit Asking Bid D > 5D = Suit Asking Bid S > 5S = scan Jacks start with clubs
> regards, > Marcel
++++Excellent! In the other room, 2NT - 5NT - 7NT, lead, claim, drinkies.
>>P - 1C = 6-11 part. bal or 12+ any >>1D - 1H = 12+ any >>1S - 1NT = 14+ bal. 0r 16+ s/void >>2C - 2D= 14-17 minor balanced OR ++ else >>2H - 2S= 14-17 balanced clubs >>2NT - 3C = 5332 or 2=2=4=5 14-15p. (stiff KQ deduct 1 p.) >>3D - 3H = 2=3=3=5 or 2=2=4=5 >>3S - 3NT = 2=3=3=5 >>4C - 4D = 0 or 3 Aces/5 if 3 then no QC >>4H - 4S = non or KQ H >>4NT - 5C = non or KQ D >>5D - 5H = non or KQ S >>5S - 5NT = no Jack clubs
>>6D - 6H = no Jack H >>6S - 7C = Jack D >>7NT = P
>>P = 13+ any shape >>1D = 13+ balanced or ++ else >>1S = 18+ bal. or 17+ else >>2C = 18+ bal. or 21+ else >>2H-3S = relays >>4C = SLam Asking Bid C >>4H = Suit Asking Bid H >>4NT = Suit Asking Bid D >>5D = Suit Asking Bid S >>5S = scan Jacks start with clubs
>>regards, >>Marcel
> ++++Excellent! In the other room, 2NT - 5NT - 7NT, lead, claim, drinkies.
I believe it was Terrence Reese who, after listening to a Moscito auction, announced "I was a youg man when it began."
> I have two questions related to the "number of auctions" thread. > Assuming opponents pass all the time, what is
> * The longest meaningful auction. > * The longest meaningful auction that does not leave out a bid (i.e. 1C 1D > 1H 1S etc.)
> You may pick a system of your choice.
> Gerben
If I recall correctly, Rubin-Granovetter, in Challenge the Champs, had a 17-18 round auction. The curious thing about it is that their opponents bid something like 2C 2D 3NT or something short and sweet because their new suit rebid after the 2C opening bid was by agreement not forcing. I think the hands were something like:
xx Txxx xx Jxxxx
AKQJx AKQx AK Kx
Perhaps someone with more time and easier access to the late 1970s Bridge Worlds can provide some more accurate information.
>> I have two questions related to the "number of auctions" thread. >> Assuming opponents pass all the time, what is
>> * The longest meaningful auction. >> * The longest meaningful auction that does not leave out a bid (i.e. >> 1C 1D 1H 1S etc.)
>> You may pick a system of your choice.
>> Gerben
> If I recall correctly, Rubin-Granovetter, in Challenge the Champs, had > a 17-18 round auction. The curious thing about it is that their > opponents bid something like 2C 2D 3NT or something short and sweet > because their new suit rebid after the 2C opening bid was by agreement > not forcing. I think the hands were something like:
> xx > Txxx > xx > Jxxxx
> AKQJx > AKQx > AK > Kx
The longest auction I found was 21 bids on the hands
The weaker hand having shown 2344 shape, an A, a K and a Q, A Club Honor, no D or S honors and no second club honor. Though I cannot match the auction to the bids as described in The Ultimate Club past the 4H bid.
>> I have two questions related to the "number of auctions" thread. >> Assuming opponents pass all the time, what is
>> * The longest meaningful auction. >> * The longest meaningful auction that does not leave out a bid (i.e. >> 1C 1D 1H 1S etc.)
>> You may pick a system of your choice.
>> Gerben
> If I recall correctly, Rubin-Granovetter, in Challenge the Champs, had > a 17-18 round auction. The curious thing about it is that their > opponents bid something like 2C 2D 3NT or something short and sweet > because their new suit rebid after the 2C opening bid was by agreement > not forcing. I think the hands were something like:
> xx > Txxx > xx > Jxxxx
> AKQJx > AKQx > AK > Kx
> Perhaps someone with more time and easier access to the late 1970s > Bridge Worlds can provide some more accurate information.
> Henrysun909
I remember (I think!) two things about that hand.
1. Their final contract was 5NT, and it scored approximately 8 out of 10.
2. They missed two bids, eg. 3C and 4D. That seems consistent with Henry's report of a 17-18 round auction - it would be a 33-bid auction. So I'm sorry Nick Hughes, you do not win.
>>> I have two questions related to the "number of auctions" thread. >>> Assuming opponents pass all the time, what is
>>> * The longest meaningful auction. >>> * The longest meaningful auction that does not leave out a bid (i.e. >>> 1C 1D 1H 1S etc.)
>>> You may pick a system of your choice.
>>> Gerben
>> If I recall correctly, Rubin-Granovetter, in Challenge the Champs, >> had a 17-18 round auction. The curious thing about it is that their >> opponents bid something like 2C 2D 3NT or something short and sweet >> because their new suit rebid after the 2C opening bid was by >> agreement not forcing. I think the hands were something like:
>> xx >> Txxx >> xx >> Jxxxx
>> AKQJx >> AKQx >> AK >> Kx
>> Perhaps someone with more time and easier access to the late 1970s >> Bridge Worlds can provide some more accurate information.
>> Henrysun909
> I remember (I think!) two things about that hand.
> 1. Their final contract was 5NT, and it scored approximately 8 out of > 10.
> 2. They missed two bids, eg. 3C and 4D. That seems consistent with > Henry's report of a 17-18 round auction - it would be a 33-bid > auction. So I'm sorry Nick Hughes, you do not win.
> Cheers ... Bill.
My arithmetic is wrong. Nick still wins.
I can now only enter the competition for fastest RGB retraction ever.
> Nick Hughes wrote: > > Think we'll win this one ...
> Equal result with a WOS and Pass = 13+ :
I can't compete with those, but sometimes the hands will not permit a longer bidding. This bidding is quite cute, though:
xxxx - xx AKQJx Qxx AKxx xxxx AKxx
p - 1C weak - 16+ 1D - 1H weak - hearts or strong 1S - 2C weak - forcing 2D - 2H denies 4+ hearts - forcing 2S - 2N denies Hxxxx(x) in minor and 5-5 - gf 3C - 3D Cxxxx, at least a queen somewhere - relay 3H - 3S no major H - relay 3N - 6C denies Hxxx in minor - to play p
>>> P - 1C = 6-11 part. bal or 12+ any >>> 1D - 1H = 12+ any >>> 1S - 1NT = 14+ bal. 0r 16+ s/void >>> 2C - 2D= 14-17 minor balanced OR ++ else >>> 2H - 2S= 14-17 balanced clubs >>> 2NT - 3C = 5332 or 2=2=4=5 14-15p. (stiff KQ deduct 1 p.) >>> 3D - 3H = 2=3=3=5 or 2=2=4=5 >>> 3S - 3NT = 2=3=3=5 >>> 4C - 4D = 0 or 3 Aces/5 if 3 then no QC >>> 4H - 4S = non or KQ H >>> 4NT - 5C = non or KQ D >>> 5D - 5H = non or KQ S >>> 5S - 5NT = no Jack clubs
>>> 6D - 6H = no Jack H >>> 6S - 7C = Jack D >>> 7NT = P
>>> P = 13+ any shape >>> 1D = 13+ balanced or ++ else >>> 1S = 18+ bal. or 17+ else >>> 2C = 18+ bal. or 21+ else >>> 2H-3S = relays >>> 4C = SLam Asking Bid C >>> 4H = Suit Asking Bid H >>> 4NT = Suit Asking Bid D >>> 5D = Suit Asking Bid S >>> 5S = scan Jacks start with clubs
>>> regards, >>> Marcel
>> ++++Excellent! In the other room, 2NT - 5NT - 7NT, lead, claim, drinkies.
> I believe it was Terrence Reese who, after listening to a Moscito > auction, announced "I was a youg man when it began."
> Bob
Reese would barely have heard of Moscito. Quote sounds like Kaplan but isn't.
From The Bridge World home page: Once, when his opponents in a world-championship match took an unusually long time to act, the late Lee Hazen remarked, "I was a young man when this deal began."
