Gerard Cohen 1 year Later
scya...@bellsouth.net
Gerard Cohen 1 year later...
Boasts on BBO of being an expert. Advertises "professional services".
Advertised on BBO for an expert partner for Dallas nationals
(apparently disregarding his website post that he is done with the
ACBL)
Has several spectators when he plays on BBO.
They normally make fun of him, just as before... even one BBO employee
was found to poke fun at him.
His comments after a bad result are still priceless.
Several innocent people are still banned from BBO.
Several of the same group... are NOT banned.
Uday won't answer my emails. (Cowardly in my opinion.)
Gerard results from March:
1166 Imp hands
Losing 1086.41 Imps (ave -.93 per hand)
248 MP hands about 48% ave.
henry...@yahoo.com
Good God, not this again. If everyone who claimed expert status but
couldn't count their way to 13 were censured or banned from BBO, there
would be a lot less - a LOT less - folk around. For heavens' sake,
can't we just let this go?
As for his results, who cares?
As to whether he can legitimately claim expert status, who cares?
As to whether he makes money from his clients, who cares?
If you don't think Gerard is right in his claims, (1) don't play with
him and (2) don't pay him.
Sheesh, Henrysun909
Karen
care. Mr. Cohen is much more vicious and unfair in his attacks on
others, than anyone has ever been to him. I don't personally know of
anyone who brags quite as much about his bridge prowess, with as little
talent.
Karen
Bob Lipton
Bob
John Blubaugh
help and I am not talking about bridge. I am much more concerned for
your mental well being than I am about Gerard's bridge skill.
You cannot police the universe.
JB
Otis Bricker
@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com:
Just to let you know, most of us DO NOT CARE!!!!!
All I take from this is that there is a group of petty and vindictive
people who seem to have made it their lifes work to humiliate some guy I
don't know and am unlikely to meet.
This guy may be a fraud but the people obsessed with him come across as
pathetic.
But that is just my first impression. I might think worse of them once I
got to know them.
Otis
scya...@bellsouth.net
The point of my post is meant to point out that things are still the
same as they were. Many of you blamed what you termed the "wolfpack"
as a group that initiated an unfair "lynching" of Gerard.
The only people that have been harmed, are the ones that were unfairly
kicked off of BBO. Other than that, things are EXACTLY as they were...
same play, different cast.
Rich
richard...@hotmail.com
fucking clue...
Are you a teenage or hust plain stupid?
There is an old saying that a man can be judged by the quality of his
enemies.
This obession with Gerald really reflects quite poorly on you
scya...@bellsouth.net
Maybe you just don't like me pointing it out. You assumed that all the
ruckus last year was based soley on me and others who spoke poorly of
Gerard. I am not obsessed with this man, I have left him alone for a
year. I checked in on him at BBO and have found things to be no
different. That's my point. Without me... things are still the same.
To reiterate... I am NOT bringing up "Gerard is a liar, cheat..... etc.
etc." I AM pointing out that there continue to be a legion of Gerard
spectators that ridicule his play and his comments. I also think there
is something wrong with Uday's selective banning. BBO is not a private
club with no affiliations. They are by far the largest online bridge
club, and they are the only one that broadcast the marjority of the
NABC big events.
I know of 3 situations where people are banned from BBO. None of these
violated any of BBO rules. None of these were given a reason by Uday.
None of these have been given an opportunity to "repent". The 3 were
all pointed out to Uday by Gerard himself. They all posted on RGB. I
don't think being kicked off of BBO for stating opinions on RBG is
right. I am not 100% sure why Uday does what he does. I know he
cowardly won't return emails. I know he selectively enforces what
rules he decides to.
You making personal assualts towards me neither hurts me, nor
diminishes my opinions.
Rich
henry...@yahoo.com
i simply note here that 'unfairly' is a relative, not absolute, term.
what is 'fair' to one can easily seem 'unfair' to others. to take a
matter infinitely more important that the obsession of some with
gerard, it seemed 'unfair' to many americans that oj simpson got off
and 'fair' to many others that he was acquited. it seemed 'unfair' to
many americans that michael schiavo didn't divorce his wife and let her
parents decide her fate, and 'fair' to many others that he stood by her
side.
so, without knowing - and without wanting to know - the circumstances
behind the 'unfairly kicked off' and without knowing -and without
wanting to know - the reason why fred and others did so, it is
impossible for an outsider to judge this claim.
whether there are others who '[brag] quite as much about [their] bridge
prowess with as little talent,' i simply observe that the vast, vast,
vast majority of bridge players over-state their prowess because it is
the nature of the game to do so. most of us, myself included, are not
able to evaluate their own ability fairly. i'm sure that my own
opinion of my own bridge game is not realistic when set in the world
of, say, the top 1000 bridge players in the us. i call myself an
'advanced/near expert' when i've only one one regional open pairs?
scored below over-average in the GNT flight B open pairs (both
sessions)? can barely average 600 per month in the bridge world MSC?
never come close to making it past the qualifying round in any open
nationally rated event? never won more than 2-3 matches in any
national swiss?
my absurdly high self-evaluation would be comical if it weren't so
often repeated online. I'd lay good money on this proposition: take
away the gold-starred players who have earned the right to represent
their country internationally. then take all of the other 'expert'
players so designated on BBO who reside in the US. i'd wager that
fewer than 10% of those players have won anything in the last 20 years
in an open/unrestricted regional or national event, excluding events
they may have played with a bridge pro. 10% may be too high. it might
be fewer than 50%.
i've played face to face bridge with a number of players on BBO. i
politely request that they not throw up on their keyboards when
deciding whether to respond to this post.
henrysun909
ps: and if some players are still banned from BBO, been offered the
chance to come back under certain conditions, and chosen not to accept
those conditions, well one can hardly say that they are banned
'unfairly.' they are choosing not to come back under the offered
conditions.
pumpk...@hotmail.com
The self-righteous 'public service' banner that you're now wrapping
yourself in is difficult to take seriously when one considers that
roughly 90% of your original post is comprised solely of mean-spirited,
derogatory remarks that serve no purpose other than to ridicule and
belittle Gerard Cohen.
And they certainly diminish your opinions.
Nick
Gerben Dirksen
scya...@bellsouth.net schrieb:
Who cares? I'm sure many "experts" do worse.
Let's switch the topic: How did these people who are banned from BBO
get themselves banned? You really have to work for that, you know.
Gerben
nige1
> Some things are destined to remain the same....
> Gerard Cohen 1 year later...
> Boasts on BBO of being an expert. Advertises
> "professional services". Advertised on BBO for
> an expert partner for Dallas nationals (apparently
> disregarding his website post that he is done with
> the ACBL) Has several spectators when he plays
> on BBO. They normally make fun of him, just as
> before... even one BBO employee was found to
> poke fun at him.
I watched Gerard Cohen for about half an
hour on BBO. I was one of about 100 kibitzers.
He played no worse than the three other
self-rated experts. He was ahead in imps.
[scyardman]
> His comments after a bad result are still
> priceless.
[nige1]
The significant difference between Cohen and the
other players was that he apologised for some of
his mistakes.
The kibitzers sustained a humourless barrage of
critical and inept comment. Judging from the
quality of their analyses, most seemed to be
novices enjoying a visit to the Bridge equivalent
of the Coliseum.
[scyardman]
> Several innocent people are still banned from
> BBO.
[nige1]
You can't expect BBO to publish its reasons.
Sid Ismail
: Some things are destined to remain the same....
: Gerard Cohen 1 year later...
Oh, get lost. Or should I get my fly swatter out?
Sid
Sid Ismail
: No, I am not a teenager, nor and I stupid.
Surprise!
* plonk *
Sid
henry...@yahoo.com
scya...@bellsouth.net wrote:
> [snip] BBO is not a private
> club with no affiliations. They are by far the largest online bridge
> club, and they are the only one that broadcast the marjority of the
> NABC big events.
>
> I know of 3 situations where people are banned from BBO. None of these
> violated any of BBO rules. None of these were given a reason by Uday.
> None of these have been given an opportunity to "repent". The 3 were
> all pointed out to Uday by Gerard himself. They all posted on RGB. I
> don't think being kicked off of BBO for stating opinions on RBG is
> right. I am not 100% sure why Uday does what he does. I know he
> cowardly won't return emails. I know he selectively enforces what
> rules he decides to.
>
> You making personal assualts towards me neither hurts me, nor
> diminishes my opinions.
>
> Rich
i offer, in an attempt at reasoned debate, the following analogy with
an individual acbl club. if my memory is correct, the acbl grants
virtual dictatorial discretion to the owner of a bridge club. said
owner can bar, for any reason whatsoever, any individual from playing
at the club. so if, for example, a club chose to bar someone who
insisted on playing blue team club with a mini-1nt because people were
upset and threatening to boycott the club, the club owner would have
the absolute right to bar the system and if the players in question
chose not to accept that, to bar the players. the individual player
has no real right of appeal.
so if fred, as the owner of BBO, choses to bar someone, that may be
'unfair' as some have claimed, but it is certainly not without
precedent in acbl-dom.
henrysun909
Tim DeLaney
>at the club.
Close, but not quite. An open club may not bar a player based on
his/her race, creed, religion, political affiliation, sexual
orientation, national origin, or proficiency at bridge.
Tim
mghmaine
<henry...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:1144166216.3...@t31g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
I do not know any of the principals in the posts, but I do find it
interesting that the OP appears to have zero insight into how his behavior,
which I judge only from the postings he has made here, might make him a poor
BBO customer.
M. Hopkins>
John Blubaugh
ban anyone for any of those reasons and they don't have to have a
committee to do it or have any disciplinary rules. That is the reason
the courts gave for not hearing my case against the ACBL.
JB
John Blubaugh
describe. He was not that bad. In fact, if I had a couple of months to
work with him I would win Flight A events with Gerard as a partner. I
have won lots of events with far worse players including one a few
years ago who scored 1250 points for a year. I'll bet Gerard is better
than most of the people who are so obsessed with him.
JB
RonH
experts who were misled by G's claims and tok him on as a partner!!
>
> Boasts on BBO of being an expert. Advertises "professional services".
> Advertised on BBO for an expert partner for Dallas nationals
Ron
Tim DeLaney
with the courts.
Tim
Chris Ryall
>Some things are destined to remain the same.... Gerard Cohen 1 year
>later...
Gerard who?
--
Chris Ryall Wirral UK <cjr...@my.domain>
Mmbridge
news:E0jFiZ81WtMEFwYI@[127.0.0.1]...
Chris who?
Mmbridge
Chris Ryall
>
>Chris who?
>Mmbridge
Er ... Mmbridge who, if you want to use that particular context?
--
Chris Ryall (aka Dr Who)
Julian Lighton
Chris Ryall <an.address...@www.cavendish.demon.co.uk/mailer.htm> wrote:
> wrote on "Gerard Cohen 1 year Later"
>>Some things are destined to remain the same.... Gerard Cohen 1 year
>>later...
>
> Gerard who?
Don't ask.
Your life will be much richer.
--
Julian Lighton jl...@fragment.com
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David Stevenson
National origin? The ACBL has rules based on national origin:
apparently racial discrimination is unacceptable, but national
discrimination is not.
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Todd Zimnoch
Justin Lall
arguing about this with you. Seems pretty smart.
As for the innocent people who have been banned over this, if they
really want to be unbanned they can just email fred, uday, or abuse. If
they just apologized and asked for another chance, I'm quite sure they
would be unbanned. Uday is quite reasonable.
You're my friend man, and we used to make fun of G on OKB but it's
over. G is a thing of the past. Let's move on. Aaron's site did it's
job, anyone who wants to hire G can just go there to see that he is a
fraud.
Honestly, when I reflect on it I'm pretty embarassed that I was as
involved in the whole thing as I was. I'll just blame it on my age :P
--
Justin Lall
http://squeezingthedummy.blogspot.com
drfillmyc...@yahoo.com
that I was as
involved in the whole thing as I was. I'll just blame it on my age :P"
Kudos to you for your admission. Makes me wonder just what yardman
attributes his childishness to though -- since he can't legitimately
use a (somewhat) forgiveable sin like adolescent pranks, could it be a
form of pre-senile dementia? He'll no doubt have to consult with the
good doctor (aka ko'c) for a defination of his newest affliction. If he
behaves on the couch, a highly dubious expectation, he'll get a red
lollipop!!
Such obsession!!! Must be love incognito!!
Dr.Fill
Mitch Edelman
BTW, Gee is now playing on BBO.
Cheers,
Mitch Edelman
Steve Willner
> National origin? The ACBL has rules based on national origin:
This may be a language problem. In the US, "national origin" means
where you came from before you came here. It is not a synonym for
"nationality" or "country of residence," and in general discrimination
on either of the latter grounds is permissible. Indeed in some cases
it's required (voting or jury duty, for example).
The ACBL has rules based on residency. As far as I know, it has none
based on nationality, but I could be wrong. (I'm thinking of entry to
international events, but I think eligibility depends only on
residency, not nationality.) I'd be very surprised if the ACBL has
rules based on national origin. Such rules are considered highly
invidious and rightly so.
Of course one can argue that rules based on residency are a bad idea,
but I think such arguments have to be made on a case-by-case basis.
There is nothing invidious in the general proposition of discriminating
by residency, at least in some situations. This is not, however, to
defend the ACBL's procedures for Blue Ribbon entry.
John Crinnion
Steve Willner wrote:
> David Stevenson wrote:
> > National origin? The ACBL has rules based on national origin:
>
> This may be a language problem. In the US, "national origin" means
> where you came from before you came here.
Da country you gotta onna da boat before you gotta offa da boat?
<big SNIP>