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KWSchneider

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Aug 5, 2009, 9:41:27 AM8/5/09
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I noticed in the July bulletin, an interesting Meckwell bidding
sequence from the Vanderbilt teams [hopefully this will display
correctly - I don't know how to turn off proportional spacing in
Google Groups]:

The Hands

N - 75.72.T4.JT9764
E - AJ6.AK53.75.A52.
S - QT32.JT94.632.K3
W - K984.86.AKQJ9.Q8

"Kurkowski and Lord played in 3NT with the East-West cards, taking 12
tricks after South started with a low spade. Meckstroth and Rodwell
did much better in the bidding, but Rodwell still had to play expertly
to bring home the slam."

West North East South
Rodwell Leonard Meckstroth Kleinplatz
1N [1] Pass
2NT [2] Pass 3C [3] Pass
3H [4] Pass 3NT Pass
4D [5] Pass 4H [6] Pass
5D [7] Pass 5H [8] Pass
5S [9] Pass 6D All Pass

(1) 14-16 high-cad points.
(2) Puppet Stayman [asking for 5card majors).
(3) No 5card major.
(4) Four spades and fewer than four hearts.
(5) Exactly five diamonds (with 4=6 he would started with simple
Stayman).
(6) Roman Key Card Blackwood for diamonds.
(7) Two key cards and the DQ.
(8) Asking for side-suit Kings.
(9) Theoretically denying one, but West was not interested in a grand
slam.

This 2N Puppet Stayman approach seems new and I was wondering if
anyone knows Meckwell's current no-trump response system...

Cheers,
Kurt

KWSchneider

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Aug 5, 2009, 1:06:27 PM8/5/09
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Reformatted for better viewing -

I noticed in the July bulletin, an interesting Meckwell bidding

sequence from the Vanderbilt teams:

The Hands


75
72
T4
JT9764
K984 AJ6
86 AK53
AKQJ9 75
Q8 A52

QT32
JT94
632
K3

"Kurkowski and Lord played in 3NT with the East-West cards, taking 12
tricks after South started with a low spade. Meckstroth and Rodwell
did much better in the bidding, but Rodwell still had to play
expertly
to bring home the slam."


West North East South
Rodwell Leonard Meckstroth Kleinplatz
1N [1] Pass

2N [2] Pass 3C [3] Pass
3H [4] Pass 3N Pass


4D [5] Pass 4H [6] Pass
5D [7] Pass 5H [8] Pass
5S [9] Pass 6D All Pass


(1) 14-16 high-cad points.
(2) Puppet Stayman [asking for 5card majors].


(3) No 5card major.
(4) Four spades and fewer than four hearts.

(5) Exactly five diamonds [with 4=6 he would started with simple
Stayman].

henry...@yahoo.com

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Aug 5, 2009, 1:38:15 PM8/5/09
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I think the North hand should be 2=3=2=6 with the Queen of hearts.

I'm curious as to just how good a slam this is. West can isolate the
heart variable and effect a major suit squeeze on South, but that's as
the cards lay.

Can someone determine just how good, percentage wise, this slam is?

Henrysun909

Vox

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Aug 5, 2009, 1:46:29 PM8/5/09
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2=2=3=6 in North hand I suppose.

1N - 2C
2H - 3D
3N - 4N
6N All pass

Tanto vale giocare in 6SA.

Boris

KWSchneider

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Aug 5, 2009, 2:23:05 PM8/5/09
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> Kurt- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Reposted yet again, with the missing card...sorry

The Hands

75
Q72


T4
JT9764
K984 AJ6
86 AK53
AKQJ9 75
Q8 A52

QT32
JT94
632
K3


West North East South
Rodwell Leonard Meckstroth Kleinplatz
1N [1] Pass
2N [2] Pass 3C [3] Pass
3H [4] Pass 3N Pass
4D [5] Pass 4H [6] Pass
5D [7] Pass 5H [8] Pass
5S [9] Pass 6D All Pass


(1) 14-16 high-cad points.
(2) Puppet Stayman [asking for 5card majors].
(3) No 5card major.
(4) Four spades and fewer than four hearts.
(5) Exactly five diamonds [with 4=6 he would started with simple
Stayman].
(6) Roman Key Card Blackwood for diamonds.
(7) Two key cards and the DQ.
(8) Asking for side-suit Kings.
(9) Theoretically denying one, but West was not interested in a grand
slam.

I'm most interested in the bidding sequence. The slam is a low
percentage one, but since they were well behind at the time - one they
had to bid.

Cheers,
Kurt

TWOferBRIDGE

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Aug 5, 2009, 2:32:05 PM8/5/09
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What opening lead did Rodwell get ?

- - Don - -

David Breton

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Aug 5, 2009, 3:09:04 PM8/5/09
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>The Hands
>
> 75
> Q72
> T4
> JT9764
>K984 AJ6
>86 AK53
>AKQJ9 75
>Q8 A52
>
> QT32
> JT94
> 632
> K3

East only has 12 cards, the D8 is missing.

--
David

KWSchneider

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Aug 5, 2009, 3:23:40 PM8/5/09
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>   - -  Don  - -- Hide quoted text -

>
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According to the Bulletin:
"The diamond slam is slightly against the odds, but it is fine when
you are well down in a match. North led the CJ, South taking the trick
with his king and shifting to the HJ. Rodwell won on the board, drew
three rounds of trumps, unblocked his CQ, played a heart to dummy, and
took the CA, South and West discarding spades to give this position:

75
Q
-
T9
K98 AJ6
- 53
J9 -
- -
QT2
T9
-
-
"Where was the SQ? Given the 6-2 club break, the odds favored South.
So West ruffed a heart in his hand and cashed his last trump,
unblocking dummy's SJ in case North had started with the singleton 10.
This squeezed South in the majors. He threw a spade, of course, so
Rodwell took the last trick with his S9."

Cheers,
Kurt

KWSchneider

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Aug 5, 2009, 3:24:56 PM8/5/09
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You are correct, sorry once again...

The Hands

75
Q72
T4
JT9764
K984 AJ6
86 AK53

AKQJ9 875


Q8 A52
QT32
JT94
632
K3

6D - bid and made...

Douglas Newlands

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Aug 5, 2009, 7:07:31 PM8/5/09
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Are you sure it is puppet stayman and not transfer to diamonds with a
novel use for the intermediate step.
Uses I have seen are
1. bid 3C with xx in diamonds to facilitate handling of weak 5-5 minors
2. bid 3C with A or K or Q of D to facilitate handling good diamonds as
a basis for bidding 3N with the filler
3. deny a 5cM and use the puppet/smolen method to effectively transfer
to the major.
4. anyone know any more?

Doug,
Tasmania

David Babcock

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Aug 6, 2009, 7:29:24 AM8/6/09
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On Aug 5, 7:07 pm, Douglas Newlands <douglas.newla...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> Are you sure it is puppet stayman and not transfer to diamonds with a
> novel use for the intermediate step.

Their 2007 BB convention card gives 1NT:2NT as Puppet Stayman.

David

Douglas Newlands

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Aug 6, 2009, 7:01:37 PM8/6/09
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Seems a good counter-argument :)

Doug,
Tasmania

KWSchneider

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Aug 6, 2009, 7:50:33 PM8/6/09
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On Aug 6, 7:01 pm, Douglas Newlands <douglas.newla...@gmail.com>

wrote:
> David Babcock wrote:
> > On Aug 5, 7:07 pm, Douglas Newlands <douglas.newla...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Are you sure it is puppet stayman and not transfer to diamonds with a
> >> novel use for the intermediate step.
>
> > Their 2007 BB convention card gives 1NT:2NT as Puppet Stayman.
>
> Seems a good counter-argument :)
>
> Doug,
> Tasmania

I'm more concerned with the follow-ups after the Puppet response.

Cheers,
Kurt

Ron Johnson

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Aug 7, 2009, 8:43:35 AM8/7/09
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On Aug 6, 7:01 pm, Douglas Newlands <douglas.newla...@gmail.com>

wrote:
> David Babcock wrote:
> > On Aug 5, 7:07 pm, Douglas Newlands <douglas.newla...@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
>
> >> Are you sure it is puppet stayman and not transfer to diamonds with a
> >> novel use for the intermediate step.
>
> > Their 2007 BB convention card gives 1NT:2NT as Puppet Stayman.
>
> Seems a good counter-argument :)

The counter-counter-argument is that their system is a constantly
moving target.

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