How to go to slam?
Martine Ostendorf
following hands
North:
AT
6
KQT85
AT942
--
South:
K6
AKQ9853
4
KJ7
I was South and this was board nr 14: East dealt and no one
vulnerable. The auction at our table was:
E S W N
P 1H 2S X
P 4H P P
P
Question:
- do you agree with my 1H, the alternative being 2C which among others
is a semiforcing hand?
- if you agree with the 1H opening, how would you go to 6H after the
2S bid?
BTW: I know that this is not the world´s best slam, needing the 3/2
heart break after the preempt. Fortunately the slam was missed on the
other table as well.
Reint.
rich
wrote:
As south I would open 1H. My 2nd bid would bid 2S. My 3rd bid would
be 4H. I think that shows more than the 1H, and 4H as 2nd bid.
As north, on the given auction, I would bid 4S over 4H.
Rich Regan
jonathan23
> Last night playing teams (IMPs to VPs) we missed a slam on the
> following hands
>
> North:
> AT
> 6
> KQT85
> AT942
>
> --
>
> South:
> K6
> AKQ9853
> 4
> KJ7
>
> I was South and this was board nr 14: East dealt and no one
> vulnerable. The auction at our table was:
>
> E S W N
> P 1H 2S X
> P 4H P P
> P
>
It would help if you mentioned what "family" your bidding system is
in(e.g. Acol, 2/1, Standard American, Precision, etc.)
> Question:
> - do you agree with my 1H, the alternative being 2C which among others
> is a semiforcing hand?
1H looks fine according to most natural systems I've read up on. I'd
bid 1H because it's natural and looks unlikely to be passed out.
Someone's got points and/or black cards and will keep things going.
> - if you agree with the 1H opening, how would you go to 6H after the
> 2S bid?
I have to assume that the double is some kind of negative/takeout.
Jumping to game can often put the brakes on an auction. If partner
isn't very enterprising he/she may not figure out that they can
contribute enough tricks to get you to slam.
In some systems you could make a cuebid of the overcaller's suit to
force the doubler to make a descriptive bid. That way you can get more
information and make another move.
If I'm North, 4H has painted me into a corner if our methods are
limited. Looking at my hand, you have to have some kind of decent
holding that probably includes one of the aces I can't see. It all
depends on what you would read into a bid of one of my suits at the
five level. A natural suit? A first-round control? Asking for an Ace
to go to slam?
My choices now are limited. But if I bid 4S now, do you think that's
forcing and slam-oriented, showing I have the 2S bidder's suit covered?
>
> BTW: I know that this is not the world�s best slam, needing the 3/2
> heart break after the preempt. Fortunately the slam was missed on the
> other table as well.
3/2 is how you can expect five outstanding cards to break 68% of the
time if you believe the tables, so that doesn't make the slam that bad
considering you have AKQ. If you cannot see six cards you can
reasonably expect that partner will have one or even two of them rather
than none.
>
> Reint.
--
- Jon Campbell
Ottawa CANADA
dak...@aol.com
Waaay too strong for that. Q then 4H announces H-solid and trick
better than minimum.
North has A over min for neg Dbl forcing 3-level, so he owes one more
bid and 4S Q is convenient.
Will in New Haven
will make the sufficiant 3S bid and then bid 4H.
Partner should have an easy enough time then.
--
Will in New Haven
OldPalooka
wrote:
It is not as good as you think, probably any red singleton with West
will sink you. Still, slam is looks to be par.
A jump to 4H in this position should show at least a trick less than
what you have. You need to play partner for roughly invitational
values for his double. That means you need to select a stronger
auction, and 3S for better or worse is the only option.
Derek Broughton
> Last night playing teams (IMPs to VPs) we missed a slam on the
> following hands
>
> North:
> AT
> 6
> KQT85
> AT942
>
> --
>
> South:
> K6
> AKQ9853
> 4
> KJ7
>
We had a hand very similar on BBO.
> I was South and this was board nr 14: East dealt and no one
> vulnerable. The auction at our table was:
>
> E S W N
> P 1H 2S X
> P 4H P P
> P
>
> Question:
> - do you agree with my 1H, the alternative being 2C which among others
> is a semiforcing hand?
> - if you agree with the 1H opening, how would you go to 6H after the
> 2S bid?
I agree 1H. Partner opened 2C, but with an Ace instead of one of those
Kings, which probably makes all the difference:
Kx
ATx
AKQT764
x
> BTW: I know that this is not the world´s best slam, needing the 3/2
> heart break after the preempt. Fortunately the slam was missed on the
> other table as well.
In our case, with my 13 HCP I was looking for a Grand, and got it by the
highly scientific progression of:
2C - 3C (a good six-card suit of my own)
3D - 3S (only three, but I have the A and want her to bid NT with the AH)
3N - 7N (I maybe should have checked that she _really_ had the AD - but I
wasn't going to be playing it!)
The advantage of opening this sort of hand 2C is that responder will usually
find the slams. The disadvantage is that responder may easily find the
_wrong_ slams. I was also at an advantage because partner was a local club
player, and I was familiar enough with her to know she really had her bid,
even if it was based on distribution rather than strength. I'm not sure
either of us would have opened that 2C with a pick-up BBO partner.
--
derek
Derek Broughton
3S? West already claimed 2S, though you can try it :-)
> My 3rd bid would
> be 4H. I think that shows more than the 1H, and 4H as 2nd bid.
> As north, on the given auction, I would bid 4S over 4H.
>
> Rich Regan
--
derek
Adam Lea
>
> 3/2 is how you can expect five outstanding cards to break 68% of the
> time if you believe the tables, so that doesn't make the slam that bad
> considering you have AKQ.
That assumes no other information. Here we have an overcall which gives
additional information on the spade distribution and increases the
likelihood of the overcallers partner having four or five hearts (based on
the principle of vacant spaces).
Frances
While that's true, in fact if you assume the spades are 6-3 after the
overcall, the chance of a 3-2 break has barely changed (it's now about
66% rather than the original 68%). What has changed a lot is the who
is going to be long in hearts.
Stu G
Having a solid diamond suit instead of a solid heart suit as the OP
has is what makes all the difference. Most of my partners would not
open this 4 loser hand 2C. Do you really want to be in 5D if partner
has the SA and nothing else? !D followed by 3N looks more appropriate
(depending on partner's response).
>
> > BTW: I know that this is not the world´s best slam, needing the 3/2
> > heart break after the preempt. Fortunately the slam was missed on the
> > other table as well.
>
> In our case, with my 13 HCP I was looking for a Grand, and got it by the
> highly scientific progression of:
> 2C - 3C (a good six-card suit of my own)
> 3D - 3S (only three, but I have the A and want her to bid NT with the AH)
> 3N - 7N (I maybe should have checked that she _really_ had the AD - but I
> wasn't going to be playing it!)
>
> The advantage of opening this sort of hand 2C is that responder will usually
> find the slams. The disadvantage is that responder may easily find the
> _wrong_ slams.
Or more importantly, you will get to game, or the wrong game, too
often. And partner will expect for defense from you if they interfere.
-Stu Goodgold
San Jose, CA
> I was also at an advantage because partner was a local club
> player, and I was familiar enough with her to know she really had her bid,
> even if it was based on distribution rather than strength. I'm not sure
> either of us would have opened that 2C with a pick-up BBO partner.
> --
> derek- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -
jonathan23
True enough...I didn't take vacant spaces into account off the cuff.
Although I still think that 3/2 with three in the East is still
slightly likelier than anything else and what you have to play for if
you end up in the slam.
henry...@yahoo.com
wrote:
1) Yes, I agree with 1h although 2c isn't completely insane. After
all, a hand like
Axx
xx
xxx
AQxxx
is enough for slam, but it is unlikely that you will get there after
1h 1nt ?
2) I would not have gotten to slam after 1h (2s) dbl (p); ?
Granted that I have 1 heart more than I have promised and that partner
should therefore have a mostly self-sufficient suit, would a hand like
xxx
AKQJxxx
x
Ax
be out of the question?
So while qbidding 4s over 4h (a reasonable call) would work on on this
hand, it is not without its risks, and I tend to go conservative over
enemy preemption.
Henrysun909
Derek Broughton
> On Nov 20, 8:10 am, Derek Broughton <de...@pointerstop.ca> wrote:
>>
>> I agree 1H. Partner opened 2C, but with an Ace instead of one of those
>> Kings, which probably makes all the difference:
>>
>> Kx
>> ATx
>> AKQT764
>> x
>
> Having a solid diamond suit instead of a solid heart suit as the OP
> has is what makes all the difference. Most of my partners would not
> open this 4 loser hand 2C.
I usually wouldn't either - but I wasn't at all disappointed that she did.
> Do you really want to be in 5D if partner
> has the SA and nothing else? !D followed by 3N looks more appropriate
> (depending on partner's response).
That's the argument for why she shouldn't have opened 2C, but in fact 2C
_did_ work there, and I'd say that having ATx in the side suit instead of
KJx is a huge improvement for those purposes.
--
derek
castigamatti
wrote:
1H is OK. Dbl is Ok. 4H is OK. Pass is wrong, 4NT is OK.
1H - ( 2S ) - X - ( P )
4H - ( P ) - 4N - ( P )
5S - ( P ) - 6H All pass
Just my two cents
B.R.
Andrew
> following hands
>
> North:
> AT
> 6
> KQT85
> AT942
>
> --
>
> South:
> K6
> AKQ9853
> 4
> KJ7
>
> I was South and this was board nr 14: East dealt and no one
> vulnerable. The auction at our table was:
>
> E S W N
> P 1H 2S X
> P 4H P P
> P
>
> Question:
> - do you agree with my 1H, the alternative being 2C which among others
> is a semiforcing hand?
Yes.
> - if you agree with the 1H opening, how would you go to 6H after the
> 2S bid?
I would not get to slam. You had a reasonable auction to a reasonable
contract.
Andrew
Fred.
wrote:
I don't see anything wrong with the bidding. Responder has the
controls for a slam try over 4H, but is appropriately chilled by the
small singleton in partner's long suit.
I think you were correct to save the 3S bid for a better hand, perhaps
with the heart jack in place of a heart x.
Fred.