Bid These Hands
David W.
Red vs. White
East Dealer
KQJxx
Qx
xxxxxx
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A
AJxx
AKQx
Kxxx
West North East South
===== ===== ===== =====
-- -- P 1D
2H
After this start, and with no further opposition bidding, how would
you develop the auction assuming 2/1, neg dbls, minorwood, exclusion,
and otherwise standard agreements.
What contract would you and your favourite partner get to? (If you are
a strong clubber then substitute 1C for the 1D bid).
These hands bid to 7D as follows:
1D (2H) 2S (P)
3H 4D
4H 4S
4NT* 6C** *announced as RKC **announced as 0-3 with club
void
7D
There were a lot of pauses between bids as you can imagine. Do you
think we (defenders) were robbed or is this a reasonable auction?
(Result: EW -2140 lose 17)
Cheers,
David W.
Nick France
Ambitious bidding but I don't see where there was any place to
complain.
2S might be a slight overbid but would be my choice
3H is an all purpose cuebid to find out more about partner's hand
4D I assume shows 4+ diamonds
4H is a cue bid forcing partner to go on
4S wouldn't be my choice over 4H, I'd have bid 5C but see no problem
4NT makes sense in light of previous bids
6C is just a system bid
7D makes sense, I'd be playing partner for KQ of spades and King of
hearts.
Nick France
OldPalooka
Didn't Goren and Sobel have the same auction in the other semi? :)
So which of East's or West's calls do you believe was suggested by UI
or was in any other way suspicious? From East's POV, partner surely
has at least 4 diamonds to bid spades-diamonds-spades. Wow, a club
void, so not a lot of high cards therefore super distro! From West's
POV what is suspicious about 2S, 4D and an offer to play 4S when his
partner is engaging in torture cue bids? [Remember we have no idea at
this point whether he is coming in spades or something else]. Yet
when we find out partner is still slamming despite zero encouragement
is there a LA to showing my void?
I don't like East's two cue bids. But I don't see anything that even
comes close to requiring a UI adjustment.
BTW, either rotate positions or locate the hands as west and east
please. I started with much puzzlement because I was wondering how
opener could figure out not to support spades on 5 to the KQJ.
-- Bill Shutts
henry...@yahoo.com
David,
I don't blame you for being upset. North makes a free bid at the 2
level with basically a 6 point hand and long/bad diamonds and then
they find themselves in a GS!!
But once that 2s bid is made, I don't see a lot of alternatives and in
fact I'm quite impressed that North didn't cheat on his response to
RKC:
3h, as an all purpose force seems fine.
4d to show diamond support seems fine.
4h to show slam interest seems fine, although 4nt would have worked
also. South didn't really learn much of value over North's 4s bid.
And once responder decides not to cheat on his void showing response,
there you are.
Henrysun909
boblipton
> Red vs. White
> East Dealer
>
> KQJxx
> Qx
> xxxxxx
> ---
>
> A
> AJxx
> AKQx
> Kxxx
>
> West North East South
> ===== ===== ===== =====
> -- -- P 1D
> 2H
>
> After this start, and with no further opposition bidding, how would
> you develop the auction assuming 2/1, neg dbls, minorwood, exclusion,
> and otherwise standard agreements.
WELL, 2/1 doesn't signifiy. I do think this hand is strong enough to
force to at least 4 diamonds, so the bidding could well go:
1D (2H) 2S P
3NT P 4D P
4H P 5C P
?
And now a call of 7 Diamonds is not out of the picture.
> These hands bid to 7D as follows:
>
> 1D (2H) 2S (P)
> 3H 4D
> 4H 4S
> 4NT* 6C** *announced as RKC **announced as 0-3 with club
> void
> 7D
>
> There were a lot of pauses between bids as you can imagine. Do you
> think we (defenders) were robbed or is this a reasonable auction?
> (Result: EW -2140 lose 17)
>
I think that all the pauses indicated was that some delicate bidding
was going on, which is not unreasonable..... I shouldn't imagine that
6C call comes up that often, and it requires a bit of thought to use
RKCB with the minors. I prefer a cue-bidding sequence, as above, but
that's me.
When an auction goes high, it should slow down.
Bob
boblipton
> On Nov 20, 10:30 am, "David W." <dwheat1...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
SNIP
>
> BTW, either rotate positions or locate the hands as west and east
> please. I started with much puzzlement because I was wondering how
> opener could figure out not to support spades on 5 to the KQJ.
>
> -- Bill Shutts
I've got some people at the rubber table who do that all the time.
Bob
David W.
Thanks guys - you have restored my faith in humanity:) A small
correction of the facts. We were actually the bidders and EW left in
a huff after this hand - one of them sent me a message saying that
they thought we were cheating and they were going to report us to BBO
management. (I told him to go ahead...). We did take a while to bid
it, yes, but it was not a simple or everyday auction.
Regards,
David W.
TWOferBRIDGE
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I agree that using 4NT as RKC when the agreed suit is a minor
is at the very least, treacherous. Better to use the
"out of focus" Major as RKCB or Minorwood if possible.
Second point.... Why cue 3H , when 3C would be forcing ?
3H took up a lot of room.
Responder can agree Diam with 3D and then Opener
can go either 4D! ( Minorwood) or 4H! ( Redwood).
Thirdly, I think the explanation for the void reply was
incorrect. Normally, 6C is "skip-a-level = 0 or 3 +
outside void "somewhere", not necessarily Clubs.
The void could be in either Hts or Cl.
I use 5th step as 2 Keys + void somewhere
and 6th and higher as ODD ( 1 or 3 ) + void in the
bid suit .
Anyway, no matter which RKC is used, there is
no way to realistically bid the grand. 6D certainly
seems high enough.
TWOferBRIDGE
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The reason I question the 6C! explanation as 0 or 3
+ Cl void because what are the void replies when you
hold 1, 2 or 4 key cards ?
- - Don - -
Andrew
> Red vs. White
> East Dealer
>
> KQJxx
> Qx
> xxxxxx
> ---
>
> A
> AJxx
> AKQx
> Kxxx
>
> West North East South
> ===== ===== ===== =====
> -- -- P 1D
> 2H
>
> After this start, and with no further opposition bidding, how would
> you develop the auction assuming 2/1, neg dbls, minorwood, exclusion,
> and otherwise standard agreements.
1D - (2H) -3S! - (P)
4D! - (P) - 5D! - (P)
6D
3S = fit jump
4D = RKC for diamonds
5D = even number of KC and an unspecified side suit void
6D = with no way to determine which suit is the void, bid the small
slam.
> These hands bid to 7D as follows:
>
> 1D (2H) 2S (P)
> 3H 4D
> 4H 4S
> 4NT* 6C** *announced as RKC **announced as 0-3 with club
> void
> 7D
>
> There were a lot of pauses between bids as you can imagine. Do you
> think we (defenders) were robbed or is this a reasonable auction?
> (Result: EW -2140 lose 17)
6C shows 1 or 3 with a void. Zero is considered an even number for
purposes of void showing. Opponents were lucky their sequence did not
get them to a bad grand.
Andrew
Fred.
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Frankly I agree with most of your comments on their bidding. I
particulaly hate RKC Blackwood over minors, and play it in only in
very restricted circumstances. But, whether or not we like the
agreement, they were obviously together on the 0 or 3 key cards and a
club void understanding.
If the 6C call is not required with 0 aces, but is at least a mild
grand-slam suggestion, not altogether unreasonable on opener's
bidding, then presumably, responder has the trump length to capitalize
on the void, and the full strength in spades for the 2S bid. Given
that, I don't see the 7D bid as being unreasonable either.
If they were playing 3014 RKC, a reasonable choice when you use it in
the minors, responder could have bid 5C to show 0 aces and then gone
to 6D over opener's sign off with a void and no grand-slam
aspirations.
Of course, whether or not there was UI and whether or not the bidding
conformed the the rules if UI was present is another question from
whether or not the bidding could have been reasonable.
Fred.
pgmer6809
wrote:
If 3H denies 3 card support for spades, then 4D must set trumps.
Even if it does not, then 4H surely must deny 3 card spade support,
and hence be some sort of cue bid (or last train) for diamonds.
Depending on cue bidding style, 4S now is also a cue bid that could
show two of the top 3 spades. (Expert practice
according to Rexford, is that a cue in a real suit you have shown
shows two of the top 3).
This is just what Opener wants to hear, so I don't think he learned
nothing.