New PRINCIPIA DISCORDIA edition
Kevin Maroney
Steve Jackson <s...@indial1.io.com> wrote:
> Since every Discordian is a Pope, every Discordian is authorized to write
>the *Principia Discordia.* That includes us. Also you, if you care, and
>if you don't, stop reading right now fnord.
> It's time for another edition. SJ Games is not only going to reprint
>the original *Principia,* we're going to add some new pages, and we're
>going to get this into your friendly neighborhood mall bookstore.
>(Maniacal laughter.) Wanna play?
Great! I'm glad to see the Principia get a wider audience. Are you going
to pay Kerry Thornley any money, or are you going to fuck him over like
you fucked over Robert Wilson and Robert Shea? (To the best of my
knowledge, as of Robert Shea's death yesterday, he had not received a
penny from Steve Jackson Games for _Illuminati_ or _GURPS Illuminati_, two
games which almost certainly would not have existed without the direct
inspiration of the _Illuminatus!_ trilogy.)
Incidentally, the solicitation for your edition of _PD_ as printed in the
May 1994 _Advance Comics_ catalog of Capital City Distributors claims that
the PD has been "Long suppressed", but Thornley himself has published the
book repeatedly in commercial editions. (The most recent was from
IllumiNet Press, P.O. Box 746, Avondale Estates, GA 30002.)
If you have any respect for Thornley, you will buy his edition and not
Jackson's. It's the decent thing to do. Remember, just because a person is
hated by the SS doesn't mean he's a good guy.
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Diablo
>Great! I'm glad to see the Principia get a wider audience. Are you going
>to pay Kerry Thornley any money, or are you going to fuck him over like
>you fucked over Robert Wilson and Robert Shea? (To the best of my
>knowledge, as of Robert Shea's death yesterday, he had not received a
>penny from Steve Jackson Games for _Illuminati_ or _GURPS Illuminati_,
two
>games which almost certainly would not have existed without the direct
>inspiration of the _Illuminatus!_ trilogy.)
Yeah, yeah, whatever. Why should Shea get any money from Jackson? The
Illuminati were a part of history and I don't think you can copyright
history. Just cause most of you heard of the Illuminati primarily
through Wilson and Shea doesn't give them a right to it.
--Diablo, an Antichrist for the 90s.
Diablo
ma...@cornell.edu writes:
>Yeah, yeah, whatever. Why should Shea get any money from Jackson? The
>Illuminati were a part of history and I don't think you can copyright
>history. Just cause most of you heard of the Illuminati primarily
>through Wilson and Shea doesn't give them a right to it.
While I still agree with what I said above, I just wanted to say I'm
sorry to any friends of Shea. =(
James Wallis
I wouldn't count myself as one of Bob Shea's "friends", but I knew him and
I crashed on his couch one night in 1991. He was one of life's truly good
people and a remarkable writer to boot, and his loss is very sad.
Unless you're a conspiracy theory nut with a solid knowledge of European
history, it's unlikely that you'd have ever heard of the Illuminati if it
hadn't been for Shea and Wilson's 1970s "Illuminatus!" trilogy and the
hubbub and spin-offs that resulted from it. I suspect it's very unlikely
that Steve Jackson would ever have heard of the Illuminati if it wasn't
for the same things. There's a good reason why "Illuminatus!" is the first
item mentioned in the bibliography of the original "Illuminati" game, which
describes it as "required reading". A debt is due, of honour if nothing
else.
--
James Wallis
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about how nice being a writer must be, and go and write something++++++++++++
Steve Jackson
>
>Great! I'm glad to see the Principia get a wider audience. Are you going
>to pay Kerry Thornley any money, or are you going to fuck him over like
>you fucked over Robert Wilson and Robert Shea?
My, my. Have I stopped beating my wife yet? The answer to your question,
Kevin, is MU.
>(To the best of my
>knowledge, as of Robert Shea's death yesterday, he had not received a
>penny from Steve Jackson Games for _Illuminati_ or _GURPS Illuminati_,
Actually, Kevin, you're quite mistaken. Can't ask Bob now, since he's dead,
but I doubt he'd think it was a big invasion of his privacy if I
confirmed that he was paid for the intro he wrote to ILLUMINATI Expansion
Set 1. The *amount*, of course, is his business and mine, and none of
yours, no matter how curious you are.
>which almost certainly would not have existed without the direct
>inspiration of the _Illuminatus!_ trilogy.)
"Almost certainly"? Let's not weasel, Kevin! I don't think there is a
chance in a thousand that I would have done the ILLUMINATI game if I
hadn't read the "Illuminatus!" trilogy. Not a chance in a million.
Now . . . what is your point? Think carefully before you post, because
a lot of people are reading this.
>Incidentally, the solicitation for your edition of _PD_ as printed in the
>May 1994 _Advance Comics_ catalog of Capital City Distributors claims that
>the PD has been "Long suppressed", but Thornley himself has published the
>book repeatedly in commercial editions. (The most recent was from
>IllumiNet Press, P.O. Box 746, Avondale Estates, GA 30002.)
Kevin, if the writeup in "Advance Comics" bothers you, you'll have to
froth at them about it. I can't take credit for it. But you omitted the
context. What the ad said, in pertinent part, was:
"Long suppressed (We're not going to mention any names, but do the
initials J.R."B." D. ring any bells? No? Well, never mind, then) . . . "
Joke, guy. Get it? Joke. Not too unfunny, either, as ads in comic catalogs
go. You wouldn't expect a flack for a comic distributor to have heard the
Word of "Bob." But we're *everywhere* now.
>If you have any respect for Thornley, you will buy his edition and not
>Jackson's. It's the decent thing to do.
Shoot, you should buy Thornley's edition whether you respect him or not,
and whether you're decent or not. His 32-page rant at the beginning is
worth the price of admission, all by itself, and the cover is pretty.
But I'm having a lot of fun with MY edition, too, and I'm going to get
this sucker into the mall bookstores and Illuminate a lot of people who
don't even SEE IT COMING . . . and we're getting some good weirdness
from the Net, too.
>Remember, just because a person is
>hated by the SS doesn't mean he's a good guy.
I don't think they hate me. They may wish I'd dry up and blow away, but
they didn't strike me as being into HATE. Just control.
But Kevin, parts of your post sounded a LOT like hate. Maybe you
should lie down for a while in a dark place. Then get out your copy of
the Principia, any old edition at all, and pick a page - any page -
and read. But spend some time on page 64. There's a message there for you.
GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE GOBBLE, guy.
Denis Moskowitz
Steve Jackson <s...@indial1.io.com> wrote:
>don't even SEE IT COMING . . . and we're getting some good weirdness
>from the Net, too.
Hey, Steve, who else is producing this material, besides you and the folks
on alt.discordia, rec.games.board, rec.arts.sf.written, alt.illuminati (and I
assume the folks on io.com)? Have any Eristic zines invited their readers?
Have you talked to Malaclypse, Lord Omar, or RAW?
On another curiosity, is the new stuff going to be (c) or (k)? Or will every
contributor have to decide that for themselves?
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Diablo
ja...@wonder.demon.co.uk writes:
>Unless you're a conspiracy theory nut with a solid knowledge of European
>history, it's unlikely that you'd have ever heard of the Illuminati if
it
>hadn't been for Shea and Wilson's 1970s "Illuminatus!" trilogy and the
>hubbub and spin-offs that resulted from it. I suspect it's very unlikely
>that Steve Jackson would ever have heard of the Illuminati if it wasn't
>for the same things. There's a good reason why "Illuminatus!" is the
first
>item mentioned in the bibliography of the original "Illuminati" game,
which
>describes it as "required reading". A debt is due, of honour if nothing
>else.
Well, I'm one of those people who had heard of the Illuminati long before
the Illuminatus trilogy. I was actually pretty psyched when I heard of
this news group cause I thought it had to do with the historical
Illuminati.
--Diablo, an Antichrist for the 90s.
"Anger is a gift."--Rage against the Machine.
Kevin Maroney
Steve Jackson <s...@indial1.io.com> wrote:
>In article <2lrhps$9...@panix.com>, Kevin Maroney <k...@panix.com> frothed:
Indeed I did.
>Actually, Kevin, you're quite mistaken. Can't ask Bob now, since he's dead,
>but I doubt he'd think it was a big invasion of his privacy if I
>confirmed that he was paid for the intro he wrote to ILLUMINATI Expansion
>Set 1.
Oh shit. I did know that at one point. Shit shit shit shit shit. I have
let my anger get in the way of my memory. I do have distinct memories of
Bob talking about talking to his lawyer about _Illuminati_. I had
distinctly forgotten the fact that you two had settled amicably.
Open foot, insert mouth, as they say. I do owe you a distinct and sizable
apology.
Further:
>Kevin, if the writeup in "Advance Comics" bothers you, you'll have to
>froth at them about it. I can't take credit for it. But you omitted the
>context. What the ad said, in pertinent part, was:
>"Long suppressed (We're not going to mention any names, but do the
>initials J.R."B." D. ring any bells? No? Well, never mind, then) . . . "
>Joke, guy. Get it? Joke. Not too unfunny, either, as ads in comic catalogs
>go. You wouldn't expect a flack for a comic distributor to have heard the
>Word of "Bob." But we're *everywhere* now.
Actually, I don't get it still-- why is it funny to claim that the Church
of the Subgenius has suppressed a book that is in print? However, I had
made the assumption that the entry was written from SJG info (since the
vast majority of the catalog info is)-- and we all know that assumption
makes an "ass" of "u" and "mption".
>Shoot, you should buy Thornley's edition whether you respect him or not,
>and whether you're decent or not. His 32-page rant at the beginning is
>worth the price of admission, all by itself, and the cover is pretty.
>But I'm having a lot of fun with MY edition, too, and I'm going to get
>this sucker into the mall bookstores and Illuminate a lot of people who
>don't even SEE IT COMING . . . and we're getting some good weirdness
>from the Net, too.
I'm glad that at least one purpose has been served by my horrid gaffe:
getting the IllumiNet address out.
But is Kerry going to get any money from your edition? I _know_ he doesn't
believe in the concept of copyright, and thinks anyone should have the
right to publish anything of his that they want-- but he should still get
_something_ from it.
And further still:
>But Kevin, parts of your post sounded a LOT like hate.
As I have said, Bob Shea was a friend of mine. His death has hit me harder
than I had thought it would, and I channelled that into anger at you and
the new PD. I apologized above; I apologize here; if I meet you anytime
and we both still remember this, I will apolgize again.
I simply forgot one of Bob Shea's favorite aphorisms; almost every zine he
wrote, he quote those two great sages, Bill and Ted: "Be excellent to each
other."
Dean Hildebrandt
But is Kerry going to get any money from your edition? I _know_ he doesn't
believe in the concept of copyright, and thinks anyone should have the
right to publish anything of his that they want-- but he should still get
_something_ from it.
If you look at the cover of Principia Discordia, you will notice that it says
"The Magnum Opiate of Malcalypse the Younger", not Lord Omar Ravenhurst.
Shouldn't you be demanding that Greg Hill be getting money?
Kevin Maroney
Dean Hildebrandt <hild...@spam.berkeley.edu> wrote:
>If you look at the cover of Principia Discordia, you will notice that it says
>"The Magnum Opiate of Malcalypse the Younger", not Lord Omar Ravenhurst.
>Shouldn't you be demanding that Greg Hill be getting money?
Well, yes, in some ways I should. The PD was co-written by Thornley and
Hill, but Hill has been much less active in the communities in which the
PD is circulated, as opposed to Thornley, who has kept the PD in print for
the last twenty-thirty years. Also, it did not occur to me to agitate for
payment to Hill because his fiancial situation is not as tenous as
Thornleys (though it could be-- I happen to know Thornley much better).
Erik Max Francis
> But is Kerry going to get any money from your edition? I _know_ he doesn't
> believe in the concept of copyright, and thinks anyone should have the
> right to publish anything of his that they want-- but he should still get
> _something_ from it.
I'm not sure why you're mentioning Thornley; he didn't write the
original _Principia_, as far as I know. (He may have his own
copyrighted edition, but I don't know about that.)
Assuming that you mean Hill, Hill is no fool. He knows what waiving
copyright and entering work into the public domain means -- it means
he explicitly waived his exclusive rights over the material. Somehow,
I thought that was the whole point of the _Principia_. Besides, your
statement should be preceded by "_I think_ he should still get
_something_ from it." That's _your_ opinion; it may not be Hill's,
and if Hill intends to get reimbursement, then he's a fool. And, as I
said, I don't think Hill is a fool.
And as for Jackson getting the idea of ILLUMINATI from the
_Illuminatus!_ trilogy, I don't see how this is relevant. You can't
copyright ideas; you can only copyright your expression of them.
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Andrew Bulhak
: On another curiosity, is the new stuff going to be (c) or (k)? Or will every
: contributor have to decide that for themselves?
The Principia that can be copyrighted is not the true Principia.
- lhos
Erik Max Francis
> Also, it did not occur to me to agitate for
> payment to Hill because his fiancial situation is not as tenous as
> Thornleys (though it could be-- I happen to know Thornley much better).
Considering that _Principia_ was explicitly released into the public
domain, expecting reimbursement is rather fruitless.
Kevin Maroney
Erik Max Francis <m...@alcyone.darkside.com> wrote:
>k...@panix.com (Kevin Maroney) writes:
>
>I'm not sure why you're mentioning Thornley; he didn't write the
>original _Principia_, as far as I know. (He may have his own
>copyrighted edition, but I don't know about that.)
There is significant evidence that Thornly and Hill co-wrote the current
edition of the PD, and that Thornley contributed significantly to the
enduring popularity of the work.
If I thought that all that Thornley had done was publish the PD, I'd agree
with you.
Yes, the PD is in the Public Domain, and thus anyone who wants to has the
right to publish it, with or without new material; I just don't think it's
_right_ to publish Thornley's work without reimbursing him when he's
trying to publish it himself.
I've said this before: I'm genuinely happy at the concept of the PD
finding a large audience. I'd be even happier if I know that Thornley was
going to make a few bucks on it.
>And as for Jackson getting the idea of ILLUMINATI from the
>_Illuminatus!_ trilogy, I don't see how this is relevant. You can't
>copyright ideas; you can only copyright your expression of them.
That is and isn't true. Try publishing a novel entitled "The Other Pelican
Brief" about a young lawyer in New Orleans investigating the assassination
of three Supreme Court justices, or a game based on that idea and see how
quickly you get sued.
Cthulhoid
All hail Discordia! Death to all fanatics!
Andrew Bulhak
: And as for Jackson getting the idea of ILLUMINATI from the
: _Illuminatus!_ trilogy, I don't see how this is relevant. You can't
: copyright ideas; you can only copyright your expression of them.
...unless you're Lotus, of course.
--
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Steve Jackson
Denis Moskowitz <de...@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu> wrote:
>
>Hey, Steve, who else is producing this material, besides you and the folks
>on alt.discordia, rec.games.board, rec.arts.sf.written, alt.illuminati (and I
>assume the folks on io.com)? Have any Eristic zines invited their readers?
>Have you talked to Malaclypse, Lord Omar, or RAW?
Alt.discordia is the best way I know to reach the Cabal of Cabals. I hope
it's being spread widely. I have (flame me all, if you like) made no
attempt to get new material from the old names. I want to open it up to
some new blood. Not that I wouldn't be delighted to hear from the old names,
but that wasn't at all what I had in mind.
>On another curiosity, is the new stuff going to be (c) or (k)? Or will every
>contributor have to decide that for themselves?
My own stuff will be (k), and I will encourage other contributors to do
the same, but I don't *think* that I would omit something neat just because
the contributor wanted it copyrighted. I think I'll decide that if and
when I have to . . .
Steve Jackson
>
>Oh shit. I did know that at one point. Shit shit shit shit shit. I have
>let my anger get in the way of my memory. I do have distinct memories of
>Bob talking about talking to his lawyer about _Illuminati_. I had
>distinctly forgotten the fact that you two had settled amicably.
>
>Open foot, insert mouth, as they say. I do owe you a distinct and sizable
>apology.
Apology accepted, grovel unnecessary, incident forgotten.
I should say a bit more here, rather than let rumor spread. I have spent
several years pointedly NOT discussing the letter that I got from the
agent (not lawyer) for Shea and Wilson, because it was written by a man
who had not seen my game, and before Shea or Wilson saw the game, and
its contents did not do credit to those two gentlemen. It was apparently
based on a (phone call?) by some fringe sort, to Wilson, and Wilson called
the agent and said Look Into This, and the agent wrote a harsh letter
before seeing the game.
So I sent a copy of the game to the agent, pointing out that it did not
take anything that his clients had invented, but did use the same
source material they had (e.g., the Principia) and did gratefully
acknowledge their inspiration and did point people toward their books.
And that was almost that, except that Bob Shea and I did correspond
after that and he did write an intro for me. I have still never *met* RAW.
These things happen.
>I'm glad that at least one purpose has been served by my horrid gaffe:
>getting the IllumiNet address out.
Amen to that. And for those who missed it the first time: PO Box 746,
Avondale Estates, GA 30002
>But is Kerry going to get any money from your edition? I _know_ he doesn't
>believe in the concept of copyright, and thinks anyone should have the
>right to publish anything of his that they want-- but he should still get
>_something_ from it.
Suggestions? After all, the Principia *is* public domain, and it *was* a
collective work. A lot of people worked on it, not just Thornley, and they
MADE it PD so that it would be reprinted over and over again . . .
Paying a royalty for something that's (k) would violate MY
principles, too, for a slightly different reason (grin). On the other
hand, he does neat work and I'll help him if I can. Historical trivia:
I've intended to do this for years, and was about to do it in 1992 when
I found out there was a new IllumiNet edition. So I didn't. I thought that
Thornley's version was classy enough that it would make it into the
bookstore market, but it doesn't seem to have done. My turn to try.
>As I have said, Bob Shea was a friend of mine.
I can't make that claim; I met him FTF exactly once. But he was clearly
a gentleman, and a scholar, and a heck of a lot of fun, and he did not seem
to take himself seriously at all. I was sorry to hear that he'd died.
The good ones are all too few.
Todd Larason
>k...@panix.com (Kevin Maroney) writes:
>> Also, it did not occur to me to agitate for
>> payment to Hill because his fiancial situation is not as tenous as
>> Thornleys (though it could be-- I happen to know Thornley much better).
>Considering that _Principia_ was explicitly released into the public
>domain, expecting reimbursement is rather fruitless.
You (and others) seem to be mssing the difference between being
legally obligated, under threat of punishment, and having a moral
obligation, under threat of bad karma.
In this case, I don't know that there's a moral obligation, but it
would be good form.
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Cthulhoid
Jeff X. Mink
>legally obligated, under threat of punishment, and having a moral
>obligation, under threat of bad karma.
>
>In this case, I don't know that there's a moral obligation, but it
>would be good form.
People who release things into the public domain do not expect, or
necessarily want, reimbursement form their product. That's why it is
public domain, instead of copyrighted.
However, the fact that Steve Jackson wants to make money from it is a
bit more complicated. But, in the case of the Principia, I think that
the original authors still don't want compensation. After all, even
though stuff will be added, all that Steve Jackson will really be
selling is a cover for the Principia. Because the cover is (probably)
his idea, I believe that he is under no obligation, moral or legal, to
give the profits to someone else.
Mentally Yours,
Jeff Mink
The Scourge of the Galaxy
High Priest of the Church of Harmonic Chaos
Erik Max Francis
> Yes, the PD is in the Public Domain, and thus anyone who wants to has the
> right to publish it, with or without new material; I just don't think it's
> _right_ to publish Thornley's work without reimbursing him when he's
> trying to publish it himself.
That's your opinion. That is obviously not Hill's or Thornley's
opinions, as they have not brought suit against each other over such
matters.
> I've said this before: I'm genuinely happy at the concept of the PD
> finding a large audience. I'd be even happier if I know that Thornley was
> going to make a few bucks on it.
This is your opinion. If Hill (or Thornley -- don't know why you
insist on mentioning him first) had an interest in making money off of
the _Principia_, then he shot himself when he released it to the
public domain. If he doesn't know what that means -- and, as I said
before, he's no fool -- then he's an idiot.
It sounds like _you're_ expecting him to get reimbursed for his work,
not him. If you are and he's not, then that's your problem, and not
his or anyone else's.
> That is and isn't true. Try publishing a novel entitled "The Other Pelican
> Brief" about a young lawyer in New Orleans investigating the assassination
> of three Supreme Court justices, or a game based on that idea and see how
> quickly you get sued.
You know how bad this analogy is, so I don't even have to tell you.
This is clearly a case of plagiarism. There is a fine line between
plagiarism and inspiration, of course, but you haven't even come
anywhere near it.
Erik Max Francis
> The Principia that can be copyrighted is not the true Principia.
I agree absolutely.
Erik Max Francis
> You (and others) seem to be mssing the difference between being
> legally obligated, under threat of punishment, and having a moral
> obligation, under threat of bad karma.
Let me guess. You read this is a crosspost, and don't regular
alt.discordia.
My point was not that Hill (or Thornley) has no legal recourse, which
he obviously doesn't. My point was that if they had wanted some, they
would have asserted it with a copyright. They didn't. That's the
point of Discordianism.
Andreas Hechtbauer
> The Principia that can be copyrighted is not the true Principia.
I agree absolutely.
With this & now, in this very moment, I copyright every Principia, Prin-
cipium, principle, `prinzip' and prince. In fact everything starting with
the letter ``P'' or ``p'', for that.
now the Principia is copyrighted _and_ true, u c?
progressecutors will be transgressecuted.
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Todd Larason
>j...@netcom.com (Todd Larason) writes:
>> You (and others) seem to be mssing the difference between being
>> legally obligated, under threat of punishment, and having a moral
>> obligation, under threat of bad karma.
>Let me guess. You read this is a crosspost, and don't regular
>alt.discordia.
As its crossposted, I did, by necessity, read it 'is a crosspost'. I
saw it on alt.discordia, however.
>My point was not that Hill (or Thornley) has no legal recourse, which
>he obviously doesn't. My point was that if they had wanted some, they
>would have asserted it with a copyright. They didn't. That's the
>point of Discordianism.
I still think you're missing the point, but I can't explain it any
further. I am saddened that your understanding of discordianism
doesn't include the concept of doing what is right without being
forced to.
That being said, I want to repeat that I'm not sure there is a moral
obligation here, but if Hill's and Thornley's financial situations are
precarious (as has been alleged), and if SJ makes significant amounts
of money off this (which seems unlikely, but possible), it would be
good form to reward the original authors.
da...@cca.org
>m...@alcyone.darkside.com (Erik Max Francis) writes:
>>Considering that _Principia_ was explicitly released into the public
>>domain, expecting reimbursement is rather fruitless.
>You (and others) seem to be mssing the difference between being
>legally obligated, under threat of punishment, and having a moral
>obligation, under threat of bad karma.
I think that in this particular situation, the public-domain release
of PD was intended to seperate it from commercialism in any form.
The best way to keep the tradition would not be to make money off
it, and send part to Thornley, but to print & distribute it with really
really low profit margins. Get it out there as cheaply as possible.
Illumination is the goal, not money.
-<=>- Dave Fischer -<=>- Help Fight Ambient Light! -<=>- da...@cca.org -<=>-
Erik Max Francis
> With this & now, in this very moment, I copyright every Principia, Prin-
> cipium, principle, `prinzip' and prince. In fact everything starting with
> the letter ``P'' or ``p'', for that.
>
> now the Principia is copyrighted _and_ true, u c?
Very large explosion. You stop being silly.
Russel Dalenberg
Steve Jackson <s...@indial1.io.com> wrote:
> Suggestions? After all, the Principia *is* public domain, and it *was* a
> collective work. A lot of people worked on it, not just Thornley, and they
> MADE it PD so that it would be reprinted over and over again . . .
Am I the only one who thinks that this would make a better companion volume
than an extended version? I think something like an "Apocrypha Discordia"
would make a fine addition to my bookshelf. Maybe that's a project for me.
Russel Dalenberg
g...@mcs.com
g...@io.com
Erik Max Francis
> I am saddened that your understanding of discordianism
> doesn't include the concept of doing what is right without being
> forced to.
My version of Discordianism certainly doesn't include mandated
monetary reimbursement.
Chiaroscuro
> I am saddened that your understanding of discordianism
> doesn't include the concept of doing what is right without being
> forced to.
Gee. Sucks to be you, don't it.
chiaroscuro
Anthony Davis
I demand that we ALL get money for it, being the rightful successors to
the legacy of Ilumminatus!, the Principia, and all of the games ever made...
i demand cash, up front, in triplicate... 5 dollar bills only.
I demand also, that Steve Jackson make a GURPS SLACKER, where we can role-play
sitting in cafe's talking about Krishna...
I demand that Robert Shea (PBUH) be ressurected immediately. Also Robert
Anton Wilson who is alive/dead/alive as of last reading.
I demand Better Drugs for Less Money. I demand Universal Tax Strike.
I demand to be Allowed.
I demand that you GIVE! till it hurts... till you can't love any more...
and then some more... I demand that you DANCE until your lungs explode...
I demand that you SING until I can hear you.
humbly yours,
tonyd
Dr. Bronner's Magic Cabal
Portland, OR
"All-One or None!"
Tovarich Pizor
>I demand that we ALL get money for it, being the rightful successors to
>the legacy of Ilumminatus!, the Principia, and all of the games ever made...
>i demand cash, up front, in triplicate... 5 dollar bills only.
>
>I demand also, that Steve Jackson make a GURPS SLACKER, where we can role-play
>sitting in cafe's talking about Krishna...
>
>I demand that Robert Shea (PBUH) be ressurected immediately. Also Robert
>Anton Wilson who is alive/dead/alive as of last reading.
>
>I demand Better Drugs for Less Money. I demand Universal Tax Strike.
>I demand to be Allowed.
>
>I demand that you GIVE! till it hurts... till you can't love any more...
>and then some more... I demand that you DANCE until your lungs explode...
>I demand that you SING until I can hear you.
>
>humbly yours,
>
>tonyd
"I am Magikthis."
"And I demand that I am Vroomfundle!"
"Er. . .you don't have to demand that, you know. . ."
"All right, I am Vroomfundel. That is not a demand, that is a solid FACT.
WHAT we demand are solid FACTS."
"No you idiot, that's precicely what we DON'T demand!"
"All right then, we DON'T demand solid facts. What we demand is a total ABSC-
ENCE of soild facts! I demand that I may OR may NOT be Vroomfundle!"
(with appologies to Douglas Adams)
Rich
>
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Lewis and Clark College | or too logical for Lewis and Clark to
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Portland, OR 97219 |
Craig The White Craig Biggio Richardson
Anthony Davis <to...@lclark.edu> wrote:
>I demand that Robert Shea (PBUH) be ressurected immediately. Also Robert
>Anton Wilson who is alive/dead/alive as of last reading.
>
It's finally happened... RAW thought about Schrodinger's Cat for so long
he finally *became* Schrodinger's Cat...
--Craig
--
Craig S. Richardson (cri...@eskimo.com)
GM - Pullman Sleepers (OBFBL) - "This Train Is Bound For Glory"
GM/Manager - Tacoma Black Adders (IBL) - "Don't Tread On Us"
Best Album of 1994: King's X - _Dogman_ ... "We Love Our Honor!"
Lt. Wilkes
>My version of Discordianism certainly doesn't include mandated
>monetary reimbursement.
I don't have a version of Discordianism, therefore I do.
Sincerely,
Lieutenant Wilkes
George B Yeltatzie
Steve Jackson <s...@indial1.io.com> wrote:
>In article <2lu5ct$7...@jaws.cs.hmc.edu>,
>Denis Moskowitz <de...@muddcs.cs.hmc.edu> wrote:
>
>>On another curiosity, is the new stuff going to be (c) or (k)? Or will every
>>contributor have to decide that for themselves?
>
>My own stuff will be (k), and I will encourage other contributors to do
like the (k) on the Snapple bottles? Cool!
George,
Jewish KKKlanish Discordian Tea Drinkers Society