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Peter Schneider  
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 More options Mar 3 2010, 1:41 am
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From: "Peter Schneider" <schneiderp_REMOVET...@gmx.net>
Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 07:41:39 +0100
Local: Wed, Mar 3 2010 1:41 am
Subject: Re: Jellyfish. Cheating or just Lucky
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Hi Jay,

see my other post to see why it is impossible that JellyFish cheats by
taloring its play to future rolls. It's plainly impossible. (I had not read
your new post before I wrote my other post).

>  What is a programmer to do when his baby which he
> hoped would be world no.1 is actually only winning 43% games against
> Snowie??  Why not a little bit of cheating to balance the books  :-)

JF was a huge success. It was stunning. It *was* no. 1. It was so good at
its time that it changed the way humans play backgammon. Snowie and gnubg
came (much) later, so for a while JF didn't have serious competition.
Fredrik Dahl, JF's creator, has all reason to be proud of his baby, and I
don't think he inserted a cheat function after it turned out that Snowie
plays a little better.

> Also I don't complain about luck against GNUBG !!
> Even though GNUBG beats me just as much as Jellyfish does.

Oh. Maybe then you are underestimating the strength of JF. Form a human
perspective I believe they are about equally strong (i.e. the skill
difference between most human players and JF is much larger than that
between JF and gnubg).

> Its a pattern of luck dear Juggler.  Very hard to analyse
> statistically,  but perfect for the human mind to identify since the
> brain is fabulously designed to recognise patterns.

It's fabulously designed to *see* patterns.

Best,
Peter aka the juggler


 
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