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Walt
Nov 4, 2012, 9:24:40 AM11/4/12
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XGID=---BbBB-B---dC---d-eB-A-A-:1:-1:1:64:0:0:0:5:10
X:You O:O
Score is X:0 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X X X | +---+
| X O | | O X | | 2 |
| X O | | O | +---+
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| O | | |
| O | | |
| O X | | X X O X |
| O X | | X X O X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 169 O: 156 X-O: 0-0/5
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 64
X:You O:O
Score is X:0 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X X X | +---+
| X O | | O X | | 2 |
| X O | | O | +---+
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| O | | |
| O | | |
| O X | | X X O X |
| O X | | X X O X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 169 O: 156 X-O: 0-0/5
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 64
Bradley K. Sherman
Nov 4, 2012, 9:44:52 AM11/4/12
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Walt <walt_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>Score is X:0 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O | | O X X X | +---+
> | X O | | O X | | 2 |
> | X O | | O | +---+
> | O | | O |
> | | | O |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | O | | |
> | O | | |
> | O X | | X X O X |
> | O X | | X X O X |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
>Pip count X: 169 O: 156, X to play 64
>Score is X:0 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
> | X O | | O X X X | +---+
> | X O | | O X | | 2 |
> | X O | | O | +---+
> | O | | O |
> | | | O |
> | |BAR| |
> | | | |
> | O | | |
> | O | | |
> | O X | | X X O X |
> | O X | | X X O X |
> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Making the 18-pt seems like a natural play, but it does
allow O to play awkward moves behind X. I play:
22/15,13/9
to take advantage of my board and increase my options on
the next turn.
--bks
badgolferman
Nov 4, 2012, 10:33:30 AM11/4/12
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Bradley K. Sherman
Nov 4, 2012, 10:39:10 AM11/4/12
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badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
>> | X O | | O X X X | +---+
>> | X O | | O X | | 2 |
>> | X O | | O | +---+
>> | O | | O |
>> | | | O |
>> | |BAR| |
>> | | | |
>> | O | | |
>> | O | | |
>> | O X | | X X O X |
>> | O X | | X X O X |
>> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
>> +13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
>> | X O | | O X X X | +---+
>> | X O | | O X | | 2 |
>> | X O | | O | +---+
>> | O | | O |
>> | | | O |
>> | |BAR| |
>> | | | |
>> | O | | |
>> | O | | |
>> | O X | | X X O X |
>> | O X | | X X O X |
>> +12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
>>X to play 64
>
>I'm sure gnubg will take the 18-point but I will play 22/13.
Not legal.
>
>I'm sure gnubg will take the 18-point but I will play 22/13.
--bks
badgolferman
Nov 4, 2012, 10:44:48 AM11/4/12
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Walt
Nov 7, 2012, 1:12:58 PM11/7/12
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//Walt
Bradley K. Sherman
Nov 7, 2012, 1:16:19 PM11/7/12
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Now that the election has come to a succesful conclusion
maybe I can pay more attention to bg.
--bks
Walt
Nov 7, 2012, 4:09:32 PM11/7/12
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On 11/4/2012 9:24 AM, Walt wrote:
Making the bar point seemed natural here. Why can something that seems
so natural be so wrong?
Well, one problem is that X is behind in the race and moving both
runners forward allows O to dump checkers behind the anchors. The top
moves all leave the checker on the ace point to harass and annoy. With
X's nice board and O's candlesticks X needs to hang around an wait for a
shot.
XGID=---BbBB-B---dC---d-eB-A-A-:1:-1:1:64:0:0:0:5:10
X:Player 1 O:Player 2
Player: 53.70% (G:14.10% B:0.59%)
Opponent: 46.30% (G:11.02% B:0.64%)
Confidence: ą0.010 (-0.073..-0.053) - [99.9%]
Duration: 24 minutes 53 seconds
2. Rolloutš 22/18 13/7 eq:-0.085 (-0.022)
Player: 52.91% (G:13.59% B:0.50%)
Opponent: 47.09% (G:11.00% B:0.55%)
Confidence: ą0.010 (-0.096..-0.075) - [0.1%]
Duration: 23 minutes 41 seconds
3. Rolloutš 22/16 20/16 eq:-0.093 (-0.030)
Player: 54.08% (G:10.72% B:0.53%)
Opponent: 45.92% (G:11.75% B:0.67%)
Confidence: ą0.010 (-0.102..-0.083) - [0.0%]
Duration: 24 minutes 56 seconds
4. Rolloutš 24/14 eq:-0.097 (-0.034)
Player: 53.30% (G:10.78% B:0.40%)
Opponent: 46.70% (G:9.00% B:0.27%)
Confidence: ą0.009 (-0.106..-0.088) - [0.0%]
Duration: 23 minutes 19 seconds
5. XG Roller++ 13/3 eq:-0.131 (-0.068)
Player: 51.50% (G:12.08% B:0.36%)
Opponent: 48.50% (G:9.27% B:0.29%)
6. XG Roller++ 24/20 13/7 eq:-0.144 (-0.081)
Player: 51.42% (G:11.35% B:0.40%)
Opponent: 48.58% (G:9.35% B:0.27%)
7. XG Roller++ 24/20 22/16 eq:-0.149 (-0.086)
Player: 51.82% (G:8.40% B:0.29%)
Opponent: 48.18% (G:7.42% B:0.20%)
8. XG Roller++ 24/18 13/9 eq:-0.160 (-0.097)
Player: 51.01% (G:11.85% B:0.43%)
Opponent: 48.99% (G:10.85% B:0.35%)
9. XG Roller++ 24/18 22/18 eq:-0.169 (-0.106)
Player: 51.17% (G:8.54% B:0.29%)
Opponent: 48.83% (G:7.93% B:0.21%)
š 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.03, MET: Kazaross XG2
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//Walt
Making the bar point seemed natural here. Why can something that seems
so natural be so wrong?
Well, one problem is that X is behind in the race and moving both
runners forward allows O to dump checkers behind the anchors. The top
moves all leave the checker on the ace point to harass and annoy. With
X's nice board and O's candlesticks X needs to hang around an wait for a
shot.
XGID=---BbBB-B---dC---d-eB-A-A-:1:-1:1:64:0:0:0:5:10
Score is X:0 O:0 5 pt.(s) match.
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X X X | +---+
| X O | | O X | | 2 |
| X O | | O | +---+
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| O | | |
| O | | |
| O X | | X X O X |
| O X | | X X O X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 169 O: 156 X-O: 0-0/5
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 64
1. Rolloutš 22/16 13/9 eq:-0.063
+13-14-15-16-17-18------19-20-21-22-23-24-+
| X O | | O X X X | +---+
| X O | | O X | | 2 |
| X O | | O | +---+
| O | | O |
| | | O |
| |BAR| |
| | | |
| O | | |
| O | | |
| O X | | X X O X |
| O X | | X X O X |
+12-11-10--9--8--7-------6--5--4--3--2--1-+
Pip count X: 169 O: 156 X-O: 0-0/5
Cube: 2, O own cube
X to play 64
Player: 53.70% (G:14.10% B:0.59%)
Opponent: 46.30% (G:11.02% B:0.64%)
Confidence: ą0.010 (-0.073..-0.053) - [99.9%]
Duration: 24 minutes 53 seconds
2. Rolloutš 22/18 13/7 eq:-0.085 (-0.022)
Player: 52.91% (G:13.59% B:0.50%)
Opponent: 47.09% (G:11.00% B:0.55%)
Confidence: ą0.010 (-0.096..-0.075) - [0.1%]
Duration: 23 minutes 41 seconds
3. Rolloutš 22/16 20/16 eq:-0.093 (-0.030)
Player: 54.08% (G:10.72% B:0.53%)
Opponent: 45.92% (G:11.75% B:0.67%)
Confidence: ą0.010 (-0.102..-0.083) - [0.0%]
Duration: 24 minutes 56 seconds
4. Rolloutš 24/14 eq:-0.097 (-0.034)
Player: 53.30% (G:10.78% B:0.40%)
Opponent: 46.70% (G:9.00% B:0.27%)
Confidence: ą0.009 (-0.106..-0.088) - [0.0%]
Duration: 23 minutes 19 seconds
5. XG Roller++ 13/3 eq:-0.131 (-0.068)
Player: 51.50% (G:12.08% B:0.36%)
Opponent: 48.50% (G:9.27% B:0.29%)
6. XG Roller++ 24/20 13/7 eq:-0.144 (-0.081)
Player: 51.42% (G:11.35% B:0.40%)
Opponent: 48.58% (G:9.35% B:0.27%)
7. XG Roller++ 24/20 22/16 eq:-0.149 (-0.086)
Player: 51.82% (G:8.40% B:0.29%)
Opponent: 48.18% (G:7.42% B:0.20%)
8. XG Roller++ 24/18 13/9 eq:-0.160 (-0.097)
Player: 51.01% (G:11.85% B:0.43%)
Opponent: 48.99% (G:10.85% B:0.35%)
9. XG Roller++ 24/18 22/18 eq:-0.169 (-0.106)
Player: 51.17% (G:8.54% B:0.29%)
Opponent: 48.83% (G:7.93% B:0.21%)
š 1296 Games rolled with Variance Reduction.
Moves: 3-ply, cube decisions: XG Roller
eXtreme Gammon Version: 2.03, MET: Kazaross XG2
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//Walt
Tim Chow
Nov 7, 2012, 6:16:50 PM11/7/12
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On Nov 7, 4:09 pm, Walt <walt_ask...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> 1. Rollout 22/16 13/9 eq:-0.063
> 2. Rollout 22/18 13/7 eq:-0.085 (-0.022)
> 3. Rollout 22/16 20/16 eq:-0.093 (-0.030)
Good call by Bradley. I would have tried 22/16 20/16 here.
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Tim Chow
> 1. Rollout 22/16 13/9 eq:-0.063
> 2. Rollout 22/18 13/7 eq:-0.085 (-0.022)
> 3. Rollout 22/16 20/16 eq:-0.093 (-0.030)
Good call by Bradley. I would have tried 22/16 20/16 here.
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Tim Chow
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