Best way to learn
jean kfoury
i am a member of rec.poker
i used to play backgammon a lot with the olders, i would like to know
ur sugestion to learn the game,
play Gnub , read books ( wich one , available on the net ? free )
take courses
pay the fees to the school of play65
how much should i wagger at the beginning etc etc
best site... best bonus ( sorry this is tipicaly pokeriste )
anyways have a nice day
ps : user name on play65 jeanleouf
gammo...@yahoo.com
1) Forget the Play65 "school." Get GNUBG. I can't see how anyone
could learn from Play65's school.
2) Play for fun, not money. Unlike poker, backgammon can be played in
a meaningful way without money. There were lots of good tournaments on
the MSN Zone before it folded. Some of the groups still exist. Try
warpgammon, gammonzone, qseries.
3) Read Magriel's book. If you don't want to buy it, get it at the
library.
4) Look for websites with instructions and tips. bkgm.com,
backgammon.org, redtopbg.com. If you don't mind spending a little
money, gammonline.com (one-time $36 fee).
5) There are very few bonuses in backgammon, not large ones anyway.
Biggest tip, play GNUBG and get an idea of your real skill. Don't kid
yourself. Don't play for money until you are at least advanced, unless
you want to pay for somebody else's Mercedes.
wintom
> could learn from Play65's school.
That it: Get gnubg. Play it using tutor mode to see your mistakes. Play
it without tutor mode adding the results to the players database to get
an idea of your skills.
> 2) Play for fun, not money. Unlike poker, backgammon can be played in
> a meaningful way without money. There were lots of good tournaments on
> the MSN Zone before it folded. Some of the groups still exist. Try
> warpgammon, gammonzone, qseries.
Check out www.fibs.com (first internet backgammon server). You don't
play for money, but for your rating, wich keeps up motivation. Nice
community. Analyse your games using gnubg.
> 3) Read Magriel's book. If you don't want to buy it, get it at the
> library.
"Backgammon" by Magriel is VERY good. But its short on cube handling
and there are a very few errors (its pre bot era). Another good choice
for beginner/intermediate is "Backgammon Bootcamp" by Walter Trice.
> 4) Look for websites with instructions and tips. bkgm.com,
> backgammon.org, redtopbg.com. If you don't mind spending a little
> money, gammonline.com (one-time $36 fee).
> 5) There are very few bonuses in backgammon, not large ones anyway.
>
> Biggest tip, play GNUBG and get an idea of your real skill. Don't kid
> yourself. Don't play for money until you are at least advanced, unless
> you want to pay for somebody else's Mercedes.
Make shure gnubg is set to at least worldclass. Read a good gnubg
manual like this: http://www.bkgm.com/gnu/AllAboutGNU.html
Enjoy,
Thomas Koch
^Jason `~`
<gammo...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> jean kfoury wrote:
>> Ho guys
>> i am a member of rec.poker
>> i used to play backgammon a lot with the olders, i would like to know
>> ur sugestion to learn the game,
>> play Gnub , read books ( wich one , available on the net ? free )
>> take courses
>> pay the fees to the school of play65
>> how much should i wagger at the beginning etc etc
>> best site... best bonus ( sorry this is tipicaly pokeriste )
>> anyways have a nice day
>>
>> ps : user
> name on play65 jeanleouf\
>
> 1) Forget the Play65 "school." Get GNUBG. I can't see how anyone
> could learn from Play65's school.
> 2) Play for fun, not money. Unlike poker, backgammon can be played in
> a meaningful way without money.
100% Nonsense! Backgammon MUST be played for money or you really aren't
playing backgammon. This is even MORE true in backgammon than poker.This guy
obviously understands nothing whatsoever about the game. MSN was a sewer of
mental weaklings and bored housewives with no clue as to the rudiments of
backgammon Magriel's book is for beginners and will teach you very little.
If you want something worthwhile, get Woolsey's material. Snowie is the best
backgammon software available, but GNUbk will do if you're on a budget.
Analyse your MONEY GAMES after you play them.
Michael Petch
On 7/17/06 7:53 AM, in article 8DMug.194135$iF6.193251@pd7tw2no, "^Jason
Gregg Cattanach
I played for 2 years without ever wagering a penny for rating points and
position in free tournaments. Match play backgammon can certainly be played
without money, (on-line at least), as long as there is still some value at
stake (tournament positions, rating points).
Money-play backgammon doesn't not fit this mold at all, but match-play
backgammon certainly can.
--
Gregg C.
Hardy Hübener
> 100% Nonsense! Backgammon MUST be played for money or you really
aren't
> playing backgammon.
1000% NONSENSE! You can play BG very seriously without any money
involved. Play for a good rating, play online tournaments or in leagues.
Hardy ;-?
--
Hardy's Backgammon Pages: www.hardyhuebener.de (Last update: May 2006)
^Jason `~`
"Michael Petch" <mpe...@capp-sysware.com> wrote in message
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^Jason `~`
"Gregg Cattanach" <rl31...@excite.com> wrote in message
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That's because you're a broke loser with too much time on your hands, and
too little talent for anything.
> Match play backgammon can certainly be played
> without money
No it cannot. Match play backgammon is simply a backgammon race to a
prescribed number of points. If there is no stake, ie, no risk, you are not
really playing backgammon, just moving around pieces. It is the money that
adds the necessary element of pressure that makes it a game of skill.
^Jason `~`
"Hardy Hübener" <webm...@hardyhuebener.de> wrote in message
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> ^Jason `~` schrieb:
> > 100% Nonsense! Backgammon MUST be played for money or you really
> aren't
>> playing backgammon.
>
> 1000% NONSENSE! You can play BG very seriously without any money involved.
How is this "playing backgammon seriously" when there is nothing on the
line? Are you really this stupid or is this an act? Backgammon is a game
that must be played for money. If you aren't doing that you aren't playing
backgammon. You're just killing time. Any idiot like you who plays the game
for nothing, would never develop any skills at the game. If you ever did
decided to play for money, you would get your ass kicked so bad you would
want to give the game up altogether! If you're too dumb to understand this
concept, that's your fault.
Strato
"jean kfoury" <jeank...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Ho guys
> i am a member of rec.poker
> i used to play backgammon a lot with the olders, i would like to know
> ur sugestion to learn the game,
> play Gnub , read books ( wich one , available on the net ? free )
> take courses
Hi Jean,
You can visit our new community website and e-zine at www.GammonLife.com.
The news article announcing the launch of GammonLife is here:
http://www.gammonlife.com/news/gammonlifelaunch.htm
The site is free; no login is required to read the material. You can find a
new tutorial there by Robert-Jan Veldhuizen on how to get and use GNUBG and
we have a new weekly series of articles called Beginners Please by Paul
Money, the first two articles are published and the third will appear on
July 18.
World Champion Frank Frigo, Walter Trice and Mary Hickey are also writing
articles for advanced players. Our content contributors include Nack
Ballard, François Tardieu, Paul Magriel and Paul Weaver. Gregg Cattanach is
writing news reports on event he plays at in the USA.
GammonLife is published by Player International Ltd of London, England who
are the organizers the PartyGammon.com Million tournament, the first-ever
backgammon tournament with a guaranteed $1 million payout. The tournament is
being sponsored by PartyGammon.com who will run online qualifiers to this
event exclusively - you can read about how to qualify online for as low as
$2.50 on this GammonLife page:
http://www.gammonlife.com/news/06pgmqualifiers.htm
The PartyGammon.com Million will be held January 21-25, 2007 at the famous
Atlantis Resort in The Bahamas - the winner gets $500,000. The tournament is
limited to 128 players, 64 buying in direct and 64 that will qualify online.
The news story announcing the PartyGammon.com Million Tournament is at this
link:
http://www.gammonlife.com/pgmillion.htm
Player International Ltd and GammonLife will be organizing a contest or
promotion to send a player to the PartyGammon.com Million, maybe a freeroll,
so if you want to be informed when this happens, as well as get any other
news related to this event, please come to our site and sign up for the free
GammonLife newsletter
Cheers!
Michael Strato
GammonLife Editor
Hardy Hübener
> Are you really this stupid or is this an act? ...
> If you're too dumb to understand this
> concept, that's your fault.
Welcome in my killfile ... PLONK!
Stick
http://www.gammonline.com is the best $36 you'll ever spend if you want
to further your backgammon game. I also agree that you can't truly
play backgammon 'for fun' and be playing backgammon though I'm not
quite as adamant about it. [read as: if you haven't played bg for
money then you aren't really playing the game, I can play on Yahoo or
against a bot for free and that's perfectly fine, I play for money, and
I'm studying the game, but if you have NEVER played for money ... it's
just not the same game]
Also, poker w/out money [or clothes coming off] isn't poker .... it's
plain lame.
Stick
Grunty
But, occasionally there may be situations...
Imagine you're playing against your friend a long series of games, no
money at stake, but both girlfriends/wives watching.
You doubt you'd try to play your best? :-)
Gregg Cattanach
Well, shoot, Jason. You started out as a reasonable poster here. But all
this vitriol makes me believe that you are just one more goof that likes to
hear yourself roar.
You're completely mistaken, by the way. There are LOTS of people that
consider playing the game well to be an end in itself. Many of them have
become excellent players before they every wagered a dime on their game.
I forgot to mention the last piece of free on-line play that makes it more
than 'killing time'. The ability to analyze my play is invaluable, and I
play just as seriously for free on-line as I do when there is money on the
line.
Your experience is not EVERYONE's experience. Try thinking outside the box
a bit. By the way, I play for money quite often, usually in ABT
tournaments. And I do play money sesssions as well.
--
Gregg C.
Gregg Cattanach
>> and position in free tournaments.
>
>
> That's because you're a broke loser with too much time on your hands,
Except for the $8600 I"ve won in money play and $18,000 I've won at
tournaments.
>
>
>> Match play backgammon can certainly be played
>> without money
>
> No it cannot. Match play backgammon is simply a backgammon race to a
> prescribed number of points. If there is no stake, ie, no risk, you
> are not really playing backgammon, just moving around pieces. It is
> the money that adds the necessary element of pressure that makes it a
> game of skill.
Your posts will certainly be easy to ignore from now on.
--
Gregg C.
neilkaz
1) Buy Magriel's book. 2) Buy BG Boot Camp, by Trice. 3) Buy Robertie's
501 problems.
Play vs GNU in tutor mode with all settings world class (2 ply cubeful)
and change the MET to g11 rather than that default Zadeh trash.
Oh..and buying Snowie 4 certainly won't hurt you either, once you
improve and want another uberBot's opinion. I prefer the Snowie 4
interface and almost all my online matches thru it.
Play online and study every serious match (and try not to waste much
time playing non seriously).
// neilkaz //
Michael Petch
the abuse against Patti Beadles that it would have been clear he should be
tossed on the chit list :) .
On 7/17/06 1:42 PM, in article
FKRug.122300$H71....@newssvr13.news.prodigy.com, "Gregg Cattanach"
ri...@notyahoo.com
wrote:
>Change the MET to g11 rather than that default Zadeh trash.
What does this mean and how do you go about changing it? I cannot seem
to find MET as option to change on gnu.
Thanx,
Rich
Michael Petch
analyse menu option. Down at the bottom (On mine 3rd from the bottom of
menu) you *should* find "Match Equity Table"
Michael
On 7/17/06 2:48 PM, in article trtnb2h18fs0ubrmd...@4ax.com,
ri...@notyahoo.com
<mpe...@capp-sysware.com> wrote:
>Assuming you have a normal build of Gnu the option to change Met is on the
>analyse menu option. Down at the bottom (On mine 3rd from the bottom of
>menu) you *should* find "Match Equity Table"
>
I found it but in a different spot from where you said it was. I did
not find it under "analyze" menu option.
In my program it is under "settings" menu option then "options" and
then "match".
Rich
Michael Petch
on the analyze menu as well. It may very well be dependent on the "build"
you are using as to whether its on the analyze menu. That's mainly the
reason I emphasized "should" in my original response.
Glad you found it.
I am curious- Are you AKA Then__What ? I don't keep track of personalities
much but I as curious if you were the same Rich.
Michael
On 7/17/06 3:11 PM, in article t5vnb2t8rgf92rgh7...@4ax.com,
^Jason `~`
You're too stupid to understand that what I'm saying is true, that's your
problem. You should stick to games like "Snakes and Ladders" buddy.
JMR
^Jason `~`
housewives and mental rejects like himself. What usenet group do REAL
backgammon players frequent? If you don't understand that backgammon IS
INDEED a gambling game, two things are clear:
1) You aren't very bright
2) You know nothing whatsoever about backgammon
"Michael Petch" <mpe...@capp-sysware.com> wrote in message
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^Jason `~`
> ^Jason `~` schrieb:
>> Are you really this stupid or is this an act? ...
> > If you're too dumb to understand this
>> concept, that's your fault.
>
> Welcome in my killfile ... PLONK!
And welcome to MY killfile you worthless know-nothing loser! PLONK! PLONK!
^Jason `~`
"Stick" <check...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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>
> http://www.gammonline.com is the best $36 you'll ever spend if you want
> to further your backgammon game. I also agree that you can't truly
> play backgammon 'for fun' and be playing backgammon though I'm not
> quite as adamant about it. [read as: if you haven't played bg for
> money then you aren't really playing the game, I can play on Yahoo or
> against a bot for free and that's perfectly fine,
It's perfectly fine to sit outside and watch birds fly overhead as well. But
you aren't playing backgammon if you aren't playing for money. That's all
there is to it. Backgammon and poker are very similiar in this respect. They
are both games that are structured around a stake and around a risk factor.
I also play tournament chess at the expert class level. Chess is a game
that can be enjoyed with no stake.
JMR
Jason911
"Grunty" <grunti...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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When i'm with friends and want to do some gaming, we play chess, mostly
blitz/bullet chess. Backgammon is a gambling game. It's totally structured
around a stake. The 70-80% luck factor and doubling cube demand that a stake
be played for. You can push backgammon pieces around and call it playing,
just like someone who doesn't know the rules of chess can push pieces around
the board.
JMR
Jason911
What part of this concept is too difficult to sink through your thick skull
and into your tiny brain Gregg? Do you not understand that backgammon is a
game with an approx. 70-80% luck factor? Do you not understand that the
double cube, the innovation that is responsible for the huge gain in
popularity of the game, is a device that is also intended for money play? I
personally don't care what you do in your private time for thrills. If
mindlessly moving pieces around a backgammon board, asking "why" repeatedly
when your mommy tells you the sky is blue, or spending hours being
fascinated by shiny, metallic objects is what you do, that's your business.
The fact remains the same. BACKGAMMON IS A GAMBLING GAME! Anyone who doesn't
play backgammon for money is without question someone who doesn't understand
the game and would lose badly to a knowledgeable money player.
Read over that paragraph a few dozen times Gregg, and perhaps some of it
will sink into you head yet.
JMR
ri...@notyahoo.com
<mpe...@capp-sysware.com> wrote:
>
>I am curious- Are you AKA Then__What ? I don't keep track of personalities
>much but I as curious if you were the same Rich.
No. Different Rich.
Rich
jeank...@gmail.com
thx a lot for all yours answers
this rec group is really active and everyone as his own point of view
wich is really good for backgammon worldwide expansion in general.
It s really weird seing you arguing about wich it should be played for
money or not,
cause for me if you dont play for money it s still the same rule
without the cube but we called it Trick Track or taoule or taoula
depending in wich area your playing, the european concept that retook
this game and introduce the cube and the money ( english = bet ).
By definiton with backgammon something should be at stake wether this
is money or pride.
and in taoule trick track etc etc there is just your pride at stake,
for some of us pride is a way bigger motivation ( and in a perfect
society it should be )
For that as a beginner i would like to thx all of you again for your
answer, ill take the advice and come back in some time to ask question
again or give ideas ( maybe ...:))
Have a great day and kep promoting your game like that.
Bryce
never read Magriel? When I first started getting into the game, I saw a few
places that said some of the advice in Magriel was dated. I ended up
starting with Boot Camp, which I enjoyed quite a lot, and after many matches
with gnubg I'm not great, but not terrible (it says I'm intermediate or so,
fibs 1750?). I was thinking of getting "Classic Backgammon Revisited" next,
but so many people say that reading Magriel is a necessity. Is this really
true?
-Bryce
"neilkaz" <nei...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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Grunty
> Just curious...is it possible my skill will be permanently hindered if I
> never read Magriel? So many people say that reading Magriel is a necessity.
> Is this really true?
Not at all.
It's just that everybody's got a Holy Bible at home, only to play life
as they want.
> I was thinking of getting "Classic Backgammon Revisited" next,
Follow Neilkaz's recommendations: "501 problems" next.
At a later stage, "Revisited". If you don't read the basic books first,
what are you going to revisit?
Bryce
Fair enough. I just thought, if there were mistakes and needed to be
revisited, why not start with the corrected version? I'll give 501 a shot
(I actually have Robertie's "For Serious Players" already, and it seems
pretty good).
Jason911
"Bryce" <bry...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Robertie's books are well-organized and informative, but focus on beginner
level concepts.
Walt
<crap snipped>
Get back in the killfile, troll.
-Jason911
"Walt" <walt_...@SHOESyahoo.com> wrote in message
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Get back to your manual labour job you uneducated mongrel cretin. You don't
understand anything about backgammon and you never will.
JMR
Grunty
Gregg's level of play is widely acknowledged.
So, I recommend you to stop making a fool of yourself, as well as to
present your opinions in a more calm way.
-Jason911
Gregg has indicated that he understands nothining. He is unquestionably a
weakling that would lose his shirt if he did indeed play the game correctly,
ie; money play. I recommend you find a better mentor if you want to learn
something about this game.
JMR
Teppo Salo
"^Jason `~`" <fence_08_...@shaw.ca> kirjoitti
viestissä:UQUug.198876$iF6.34494@pd7tw2no...
> I also play tournament chess at the expert class level. Chess is a game
> that can be enjoyed with no stake.
>
> JMR
How is this "playing chess at expert class level" when there is nothing on
the
line? Are you really this stupid or is this an act? Chess is a game
that must be played for money. If you aren't doing that you aren't playing
chess. You're just killing time. Any idiot like you who plays the game
for nothing, would never develop any skills at the game. If you ever did
decided to play for money, you would get your ass kicked so bad you would
want to give the game up altogether! If you're too dumb to understand this
concept, that's your fault.
TS
Adam Tansley
Jason:
"you aren't playing backgammon if you aren't playing for money. That's
all there is to it."
Today I watched the winner of this year's Nordic Open playing a match
on FIBS - no money involved. Not to mention other FIBS players, Kit
Woolsey, Walter Trice, Carlo Melzi to name but a few.
Perhaps you'd like to get in touch with them and tell them that unless
they play for money they are idiots who have yet to learn the game of
backgammon.
tansley
Nige M
Oh By the way Adam, Will you be attending Liverpool next week?
Looks like its going to be a good one.
Regards
Nigel M.
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Adam Tansley
Nige M:
"Oh By the way Adam, Will you be attending Liverpool next week?"
Hi Nigel
I can't make it this year. Pity, I enjoyed it last year.
I seem to recall you made it to the semi-final last year - go one
better and win it this time!
Regards
Adam
Nige M
See you soon
Nigel M.
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