Williamhill asked me to prove my backgammon skills
mok1519
williamhill,just a couple of days ago i withdrawed my money and they
shut down my account.
they sent me an email,said they want me to provide some certification
of the real tournament which i’ve been participated or something that
can prove my backgammon skill, the purpose is to clear that me from
possible game fraud activities.
but I never entered into any real tournament,I usually played at
play65.
i am an honest player, my error rate in average around 6 snowie,how
could I prove them that my backgammon skill(There can’t store the play
history,so I don’t have the history record)?
i hope now that anyone could give me some helpful advice.and how do
you think about their requirment? isn’t it ridicurous?
you also can write me an e-mail to bfg...@gmail.com
i am looking forward to your replies.
thanks so far and good luck,
James
Michael Petch
On 09/11/09 12:23 AM, in article
07ff96d8-4653-435a...@g10g2000pri.googlegroups.com, "mok1519"
<bfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
> they sent me an email,said they want me to provide some certification
> of the real tournament which i�ve been participated or something that
> can prove my backgammon skill, the purpose is to clear that me from
> possible game fraud activities.
I wonder what would happen if someone asked them to prove they are a
credible site to provide evidence they aren't a fraud ;-)
tc...@lsa.umich.edu
mok1519 <bfg...@gmail.com> wrote:
>i hope now that anyone could give me some helpful advice.and how do
>you think about their requirment? isn�t it ridicurous?
I can see that they don't want people cheating on their site, but it does
seem a bit much to ask players to prove their backgammon skill in this way.
After all, isn't the reason that a lot of people play online that they can't
find competent opposition in meatspace?
If they are concerned about this, they should monitor the players' games
and run them through a bot to check that the error rate is reasonable. If
someone's error rate is 6 then that doesn't seem to warrant any investigation.
--
Tim Chow tchow-at-alum-dot-mit-dot-edu
The range of our projectiles---even ... the artillery---however great, will
never exceed four of those miles of which as many thousand separate us from
the center of the earth. ---Galileo, Dialogues Concerning Two New Sciences
Michael Petch
4af8345b$0$511$b45e...@senator-bedfellow.mit.edu, "tc...@lsa.umich.edu"
<tc...@lsa.umich.edu> wrote:
> If they are concerned about this, they should monitor the players' games
> and run them through a bot to check that the error rate is reasonable. If
> someone's error rate is 6 then that doesn't seem to warrant any investigation.
I disagree Tim. I think the answer is simpler than that. If the policy is to
require you prove your playing ability then they should ask you to prove
this BEFORE you join the site., not when you try to take money out.
Basically their current policy is "We don't mind if you aren't legitimate
unless you want money".
A site who wants legitimate players only would be screening before they
play. Not after.
Gary Baldi
> hello,everybody,i am james,i recent play backgammon at
> williamhill,
Ah, there's your problem.
Right there.
tc...@lsa.umich.edu
Michael Petch <mpe...@capp-sysware.com> wrote:
>I disagree Tim. I think the answer is simpler than that. If the policy is to
>require you prove your playing ability then they should ask you to prove
>this BEFORE you join the site., not when you try to take money out.
Good point. I hadn't thought of that.
mok1519
them.
Now I just want to solve this problem,get back my money and get the
hell out of this damn place.
Obviously it is not a good place,ugly software surface,the menu is
hard to use.And it has a lot of sharks.
Anybody got any good ideas? I really need it,your suggestion is
important to me.
thanks so far and good luck.
roy65
Hi James!
my name is roy, im in charge of these matters at Play65. needless to
say that we have dealt with these kind of issues endlessly.
did you get any information besides the need to 'prove your skill'?
usually when we are dealing with it, we must include more pieces of
information. like error rate - although having a higher rate does not
always affirm the fact that a person is not using any aid in order to
win.
if the games are not saved then this is going to be an issue , since
it is not possible for you to analyse them.
i do not know both sides of the case, but every site has is working
under strict regulation, so you can try to contact them (Gibraltar
Gambling Commissioner) http://www.gra.gi/index.php?site=gambling
another idea is for you to register at a free remote-assistance tool
(logmein.com) and invite them to watch you play, although the games
must be analysed before and after so that it will be credible.
best of luck,
Roy
mok1519
> did you get any information besides the need to 'prove your skill'?
Hi,Roy!
Thanks for your ideas.
Besides these they just want me to send ID file.
I think the best way is analyse the game saved history, but I am
afraid they don’t even have that.Their game platform is a FLASH page.
Philippe Michel
> I think the best way is analyse the game saved history, but I am
> afraid they don?t even have that.
Of course they have that! And they probably already have analysed it.
FWIW, this article is about the backgammon software syndicated (among
others) to William Hill :
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e62201f2-5ee2-11de-91ad-00144feabdc0.html
Murat Kalinyaprak
mok1519
wrote:
> Of course they have that! And they probably already have analysed it.
>
> FWIW, this article is about the backgammon software syndicated (among
> others) to William Hill :http://www.ft.com/cms/s/2/e62201f2-5ee2-11de-91ad-00144feabdc0.html
I have read the article,But I really expressed great skepticism that
they can find for the real rogue player.
If, as the article says, then they only need to repeat the following 2
points:
1,check player's error rate.
2,plays over the games history and looks for similarities in the play
to the way computers play.
basically you can make a judgment.
But why?why do they need the player to prove to them that their
playing ability?
So this's just nonsense.
Håvard Raddum
> hello,everybody,i am james,i recent play backgammon at
> williamhill,just a couple of days ago i withdrawed my money and they
> shut down my account.
>
> they sent me an email,said they want me to provide some certification
> can prove my backgammon skill, the purpose is to clear that me from
> possible game fraud activities.
>
> but I never entered into any real tournament,I usually played at
> play65.
>
> i am an honest player, my error rate in average around 6 snowie,how
> history,so I don�t have the history record)?
>
> i hope now that anyone could give me some helpful advice.and how do
>
> you also can write me an e-mail to bfg...@gmail.com
>
> i am looking forward to your replies.
>
> thanks so far and good luck,
>
> James
When williamhill refuses to pay out, and claim that the burden of proof
is on you to show that you have been honest, there may not be a lot you
can do except tell others about your experience. There is one more
thing you could try though. William Hill formally operates out of
Gibraltar, and has been given a gambling license by the Gibraltar
Regulatory Authority (GRA). They have a system where you can file a
complaint against William Hill. See
http://www.gra.gi/index.php?site=gambling§ion=complaints
I don't know if the GRA has a high standard of honesty and integrity,
but if they have, and they take your complaint seriously, William Hill
has to make a serious response. William Hill can not afford to lose its
gambling license.
neilkaz
To me it seems rediculous that WH cannot provide a log of your play,
and better yet one analysed by BOT(s) if they are going to imply that
you cheat.
It looks to me like WH is another fly-by-night shitty site that
basically will use any excuse to not pay out those who have enough
luck to come out ahead of their rakes.
.. neilkaz ..
tiredretired
> hello,everybody,i am james,i recent play backgammon at
> williamhill,just a couple of days ago i withdrawed my money and they
> shut down my account.
>
> they sent me an email,said they want me to provide some certification
> of the real tournament which i’ve been participated or something that
> can prove my backgammon skill, the purpose is to clear that me from
> possible game fraud activities.
>
> but I never entered into any real tournament,I usually played at
> play65.
>
> i am an honest player, my error rate in average around 6 snowie,how
> could I prove them that my backgammon skill(There can’t store the play
> history,so I don’t have the history record)?
>
> i hope now that anyone could give me some helpful advice.and how do
> you think about their requirment? isn’t it ridicurous?
>
>
> i am looking forward to your replies.
>
> thanks so far and good luck,
>
> James
If they pay you off and close the account that is one thing. If they
are holding your money until you prove that you didnt cheat that is
another matter. In these types of situations in a casino for example,
if they suspect counting cards in blackjack, they will bar you from
the premises but they don't withhold winnings asking you to prove that
you were not counnting cards. It's absurd. They have to pay you before
closing the account. It seems the only time these online bg sites
have a probem is when somone tries to withdraw money. They love the
big rakes the high rollers pay, but balk when it's time to cough up
the winnings. They should just be upfront about it. IF you are a world
class player with low error rate, building up a big balance. You ARE
NOT WELCOME!.
surazal
Hi James, I have had some dealings with the same site. WH is a portal
to the Gameaccount site. They(GA) can be a bit sticky when asked to
payout. I do not have a neteller account so was forced to accept an
interbank transfer with a fee of about $20( but at least I got my
money ).
There seems to be something a bit iffy about the site, the connection
to their site is liable to crash at a moments notice which leaves you
with 2 mins to return to your match or you are counted as a loser
( bye bye cash ).Their explanation for this is that most of their
players prefer it this way .I did a straw poll of many of the players
who have used( note the past tense) the site and I can definitely say
that this is not what they say .
I had a fight with WH ( used them to access the site and get a bonus
signup ) about a different matter and basically their service
department told me to stick it.
I have other issues with GA ( not alone by any manner or means in
this one ) but have continued to use them as the Sunday tour is very
tempting.
If you play the cash games on the site they keep a record ( that
you may be able to access) by clicking the "my wagers" button and run
your games thru snowie , just to see your error rate. Tour games
cannot be accessed by the player but are recorded by the site.
There are a few more things I have to say about their software but
that can wait for a different post.
geoff
> If you play the cash games on the site they keep a record ( that
>you may be able to access) by clicking the "my wagers" button and run
>your games thru snowie , just to see your error rate. Tour games
>cannot be accessed by the player but are recorded by the site.
Log files for tournament games can be downloaded as follows:
From top Menu > My Account
From left side menu > Completed Tournaments > View Details
This works for the www.gameaccount.com host site and skin www.casinorip.com
, tho I'm not sure if this functionality has been implemented for other
portals such as William Hill, PaddyPower, SportingBet, WorldGammon, Corals,
etc, etc...
Regards,
Geoff