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popinjay999
Aug 12, 2012, 10:58:06 AM8/12/12
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"Ryan voted for all of the big-ticket, budget-busting items of the
administration of President George W. Bush, including the No Child
Left Behind Act and the prescription drug benefit known as Medicare
Part D, often described as the largest expansion of the welfare state
since Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. Ryan voted to create the new
Department of Homeland Security, including the Transportation Security
Administration that has harassed air travelers, while making aircraft
safe from shoes, belt buckles and grandma's knitting needles. He voted
for the PATRIOT Act, giving government enhanced powers for warrantless
snooping into the lives of American citizens as well as foreign
nationals. Ryan voted for the Troubled Assets Relief Program that
bailed out the "too big to fail" financial institutions and inspired
the Tea Party rebellion against big government and "crony capitalism."
He backed the auto bailout that turned GM into "Government Motors."
"And while conservatives generally like to leave wars and military
spending off the list of costly "big government" programs, Ryan's
record on that front is also troubling. Like Romney, Ryan has no
foreign policy credentials and no record of military service to point
to in the election campaign. And like Romney, Ryan swallowed whole the
Bush-Cheney line on Iraq and supported the decision to invade and
occupy that country in a needless war that cost more than 4,000
American and hundreds of thousands Iraqi lives and has added roughly a
trillion dollars to our soaring national debt. Ryan's budget calls for
no reduction in military spending, despite the continued presence of
U.S. troops in some 130 countries around the world, most of which have
no bearing on our own national security."
administration of President George W. Bush, including the No Child
Left Behind Act and the prescription drug benefit known as Medicare
Part D, often described as the largest expansion of the welfare state
since Lyndon Johnson's Great Society. Ryan voted to create the new
Department of Homeland Security, including the Transportation Security
Administration that has harassed air travelers, while making aircraft
safe from shoes, belt buckles and grandma's knitting needles. He voted
for the PATRIOT Act, giving government enhanced powers for warrantless
snooping into the lives of American citizens as well as foreign
nationals. Ryan voted for the Troubled Assets Relief Program that
bailed out the "too big to fail" financial institutions and inspired
the Tea Party rebellion against big government and "crony capitalism."
He backed the auto bailout that turned GM into "Government Motors."
"And while conservatives generally like to leave wars and military
spending off the list of costly "big government" programs, Ryan's
record on that front is also troubling. Like Romney, Ryan has no
foreign policy credentials and no record of military service to point
to in the election campaign. And like Romney, Ryan swallowed whole the
Bush-Cheney line on Iraq and supported the decision to invade and
occupy that country in a needless war that cost more than 4,000
American and hundreds of thousands Iraqi lives and has added roughly a
trillion dollars to our soaring national debt. Ryan's budget calls for
no reduction in military spending, despite the continued presence of
U.S. troops in some 130 countries around the world, most of which have
no bearing on our own national security."
popinjay999
Aug 12, 2012, 11:01:40 AM8/12/12
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On Aug 12, 7:58 am, popinjay999 <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "Ryan voted for all of the big-ticket, budget-busting items of the
> administration of President George W. Bush,..."
> "Ryan voted for all of the big-ticket, budget-busting items of the
Bush-Cheney deju vu all over again.
VegasJerry
Aug 12, 2012, 11:05:27 AM8/12/12
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What parts of the Ryan Budget do you like?
mo_ntresor
Aug 12, 2012, 11:29:55 AM8/12/12
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them. read up on medicare, medicaide, and social security. he's not
perfect, but he kicks the shit out of obama/biden.
rand paul would have been a really really ballsy choice for vp.
mo_ntresor
popinjay999
Aug 12, 2012, 2:52:20 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12, 8:29 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> rand paul would have been a really really ballsy choice for vp.
>
> mo_ntresor
I was thinking that this morning, I guess he wasn't even in the
running, eh?
wrote:
>
> rand paul would have been a really really ballsy choice for vp.
>
> mo_ntresor
running, eh?
popinjay999
Aug 12, 2012, 2:53:15 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12, 8:05 am, VegasJerry <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:
> What parts of the Ryan Budget do you like?
The end.
> What parts of the Ryan Budget do you like?
ChrisRobin
Aug 12, 2012, 3:24:41 PM8/12/12
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record... but trust his promises and his budget projections!
mo_ntresor
Aug 12, 2012, 3:31:33 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12 2012 1:24 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > he's made some horrible mistakes in congress, but obamacare wasn't one of
> > them. read up on medicare, medicaide, and social security. he's not
> > perfect, but he kicks the shit out of obama/biden.
>
> You hear that, Paul? Don't pay any attention to his actual voting
> record... but trust his promises and his budget projections!
it's sad when people can't talk about what's been actually said rather
> > he's made some horrible mistakes in congress, but obamacare wasn't one of
> > them. read up on medicare, medicaide, and social security. he's not
> > perfect, but he kicks the shit out of obama/biden.
>
> You hear that, Paul? Don't pay any attention to his actual voting
> record... but trust his promises and his budget projections!
than what they believe was said. i see it here all the time.
mo_ntresor
mo_ntresor
Aug 12, 2012, 3:45:11 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12 2012 12:52 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
> > rand paul would have been a really really ballsy choice for vp.
>
> > rand paul would have been a really really ballsy choice for vp.
>
> I was thinking that this morning, I guess he wasn't even in the
> running, eh?
rand doesn't deliver acceptable amounts of mommy.
> running, eh?
mo_ntresor
popinjay999
Aug 12, 2012, 3:57:00 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12, 12:24 pm, "ChrisRobin"
50%er.
In his behalf, though, I have to say, I have not heard him call for a
New World Order, not even once. Not yet anyway.
>
> You hear that, Paul? Don't pay any attention to his actual voting
> record... but trust his promises and his budget projections!
Voting scorecards that I pay attention to basically put him at a
> You hear that, Paul? Don't pay any attention to his actual voting
> record... but trust his promises and his budget projections!
50%er.
In his behalf, though, I have to say, I have not heard him call for a
New World Order, not even once. Not yet anyway.
mo_ntresor
Aug 12, 2012, 5:12:30 PM8/12/12
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medicare, medicaide.
mo_ntresor
BillB
Aug 12, 2012, 7:03:16 PM8/12/12
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bottom of it. If Romney and Ryan are actually plants for the left and
not Born Again Conservatives that never were, like they're pretending to
be pre-election, there may be hope for the country after all.
Travel A
Aug 12, 2012, 7:35:34 PM8/12/12
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Paul Ryan is in Boner's committee leadership. Of course he's not a real
conservative.
Same thing for Santoum when he was in the senate and supported Bush's
spending spree. They're all RINOs, including Rubio.
The senate Tea Party caucus is a caucus of three: Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Mike Lee of Utah (Rubio refused to
join).
It's all rigged: "conservative" has nothing to do with any of it.
If Romny wins, what are the chances of Romney appointing a real
conservative to the Supreme Court? Zero.
conservative.
Same thing for Santoum when he was in the senate and supported Bush's
spending spree. They're all RINOs, including Rubio.
The senate Tea Party caucus is a caucus of three: Rand Paul of Kentucky,
Jim DeMint of South Carolina and Mike Lee of Utah (Rubio refused to
join).
It's all rigged: "conservative" has nothing to do with any of it.
If Romny wins, what are the chances of Romney appointing a real
conservative to the Supreme Court? Zero.
Jason Pawloski
Aug 12, 2012, 9:12:13 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12 2012 12:52 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
them filthy sinful faggots can get married or not. Absolutely scary. I am
literally terrified right now.
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Jason Pawloski
Aug 12, 2012, 9:11:03 PM8/12/12
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nothing about Paul Ryan (it's funny how all of the liberals on here seem
as though they could write his biography), but if Travel hates the
selection it was probably a legitimate, respectable choice.
mo_ntresor
Aug 12, 2012, 10:07:09 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12 2012 7:11 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:
> Finally. I was waiting for Travel to weigh in on the subject. I know
> nothing about Paul Ryan (it's funny how all of the liberals on here seem
> as though they could write his biography), but if Travel hates the
> selection it was probably a legitimate, respectable choice.
the denominators can write a biography of anyone the party tells them to.
> Finally. I was waiting for Travel to weigh in on the subject. I know
> nothing about Paul Ryan (it's funny how all of the liberals on here seem
> as though they could write his biography), but if Travel hates the
> selection it was probably a legitimate, respectable choice.
amazing how similar the biographies always read.
mo_ntresor
O-PGManager
Aug 12, 2012, 11:44:57 PM8/12/12
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perma-unemployment economy is the result of those programs.
Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
O-PGManager
Aug 12, 2012, 11:58:01 PM8/12/12
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On Aug 12 2012 11:29 AM, mo_ntresor wrote:
He served his corporate overlords, and counted on moron voters letting him
off the hook later like you are... sounds like it worked perfectly.
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 8:51:10 AM8/13/12
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On Aug 12 2012 9:58 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > he's made some horrible mistakes in congress, but obamacare wasn't one of
> > them. read up on medicare, medicaide, and social security. he's not
> > perfect, but he kicks the shit out of obama/biden.
>
> The guy voted for Medicare PART D!! He didn't make a "mistake" at all.
> He served his corporate overlords, and counted on moron voters letting him
> off the hook later like you are... sounds like it worked perfectly.
yawn
> > he's made some horrible mistakes in congress, but obamacare wasn't one of
> > them. read up on medicare, medicaide, and social security. he's not
> > perfect, but he kicks the shit out of obama/biden.
>
> The guy voted for Medicare PART D!! He didn't make a "mistake" at all.
> He served his corporate overlords, and counted on moron voters letting him
> off the hook later like you are... sounds like it worked perfectly.
mo_ntresor
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 8:50:29 AM8/13/12
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On Aug 12 2012 9:44 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > he's attempted to rationalize the programs breaking us: social security,
> > medicare, medicaide.
>
> > he's attempted to rationalize the programs breaking us: social security,
> > medicare, medicaide.
>
> That's really the way you see things isn't it? This shitfucked
> perma-unemployment economy is the result of those programs.
perma-fucked economies are the result of governments attempting to
> perma-unemployment economy is the result of those programs.
forestall the inevitable. economies that dump and clear typically rebound
fine.
those programs are the future absolute fucking of the us economy, they eat
every tax dollar in a few decades. please read up and do the math.
nobody who does can possibly vote for the lawyer idiot in chief.
mo_ntresor
O-PGManager
Aug 13, 2012, 9:18:59 AM8/13/12
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reckless, deficit--exploding, big government spending.
After you vote for Medicare Part D you lose the right to call yourself a
fiscal conservative. But here it's ok, yawn - because he's on your "team"
for this election.
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 9:27:37 AM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 7:18 AM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > > The guy voted for Medicare PART D!! He didn't make a "mistake" at all.
> > > He served his corporate overlords, and counted on moron voters letting
him
> > > off the hook later like you are... sounds like it worked perfectly.
> >
> > yawn
>
> > > The guy voted for Medicare PART D!! He didn't make a "mistake" at all.
> > > He served his corporate overlords, and counted on moron voters letting
him
> > > off the hook later like you are... sounds like it worked perfectly.
> >
> > yawn
>
> Yawn? You know what Medicare Part D is right? The complete embodiment of
> reckless, deficit--exploding, big government spending.
>
> After you vote for Medicare Part D you lose the right to call yourself a
> fiscal conservative. But here it's ok, yawn - because he's on your "team"
> for this election.
voting for medicare part d (iraq war, no child left behind) was foolish
> reckless, deficit--exploding, big government spending.
>
> After you vote for Medicare Part D you lose the right to call yourself a
> fiscal conservative. But here it's ok, yawn - because he's on your "team"
> for this election.
and stupid. i don't worship my guys; they don't work miracles, and some
even make mistakes. paul ryan's one of the good guys.
you're a handout lover, so your imaginary conspiracies carry no water with
me. obama didn't press obamacare because he wanted to give insurance
companies money. he pressed it because he's a goddamn math illiterage
imbecile who doesn't understand how insurance works. see the difference?
mo_ntresor
Travel A
Aug 13, 2012, 10:48:55 AM8/13/12
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As simplistic idiocy, Pawlousy's opinion obviously doesn't count.
Travel A
Aug 13, 2012, 10:55:30 AM8/13/12
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Paul Ryan's a protage of Jack Kemp. He worked for, Jack Kemp, early on.
That's a good sign.
I see Paul Ryan as a possible conservative if he's given the freedom.
I.e., away from the Boner/Cantor regime. But, you can't trust it in this
left-wing/RINO controlled system of government
That's a good sign.
I see Paul Ryan as a possible conservative if he's given the freedom.
I.e., away from the Boner/Cantor regime. But, you can't trust it in this
left-wing/RINO controlled system of government
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 11:16:57 AM8/13/12
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difference.
mo_ntresor
O-PGManager
Aug 13, 2012, 12:56:04 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 9:27 AM, mo_ntresor wrote:
> On Aug 13 2012 7:18 AM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
> > > > The guy voted for Medicare PART D!! He didn't make a "mistake" at
all.
> > > > He served his corporate overlords, and counted on moron voters letting
> him
> > > > off the hook later like you are... sounds like it worked perfectly.
> > >
> > > yawn
> >
> > Yawn? You know what Medicare Part D is right? The complete embodiment of
> > reckless, deficit--exploding, big government spending.
> >
> > After you vote for Medicare Part D you lose the right to call yourself a
> > fiscal conservative. But here it's ok, yawn - because he's on your "team"
> > for this election.
>
> voting for medicare part d (iraq war, no child left behind) was foolish
> and stupid. i don't worship my guys; they don't work miracles, and some
> even make mistakes. paul ryan's one of the good guys.
How can you vote for Medicare Part D and say you give a shit about
> On Aug 13 2012 7:18 AM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
> > > > The guy voted for Medicare PART D!! He didn't make a "mistake" at
all.
> > > > He served his corporate overlords, and counted on moron voters letting
> him
> > > > off the hook later like you are... sounds like it worked perfectly.
> > >
> > > yawn
> >
> > Yawn? You know what Medicare Part D is right? The complete embodiment of
> > reckless, deficit--exploding, big government spending.
> >
> > After you vote for Medicare Part D you lose the right to call yourself a
> > fiscal conservative. But here it's ok, yawn - because he's on your "team"
> > for this election.
>
> voting for medicare part d (iraq war, no child left behind) was foolish
> and stupid. i don't worship my guys; they don't work miracles, and some
> even make mistakes. paul ryan's one of the good guys.
deficits?
> you're a handout lover, so your imaginary conspiracies carry no water with
> me. obama didn't press obamacare because he wanted to give insurance
> companies money. he pressed it because he's a goddamn math illiterage
> imbecile who doesn't understand how insurance works. see the difference?
simple question so blah blah obama distraction blah blah blah.
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 1:01:20 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 10:56 AM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > voting for medicare part d (iraq war, no child left behind) was foolish
> > and stupid. i don't worship my guys; they don't work miracles, and some
> > even make mistakes. paul ryan's one of the good guys.
>
> How can you vote for Medicare Part D and say you give a shit about
> deficits?
>
> > you're a handout lover, so your imaginary conspiracies carry no water with
> > me. obama didn't press obamacare because he wanted to give insurance
> > companies money. he pressed it because he's a goddamn math illiterage
> > imbecile who doesn't understand how insurance works. see the difference?
>
> blah blah obama idiot lawyer in chief blah blah, you can't answer my
> simple question so blah blah obama distraction blah blah blah.
mistakes, unclear thinking, stupidity aren't the same as intentional
> > voting for medicare part d (iraq war, no child left behind) was foolish
> > and stupid. i don't worship my guys; they don't work miracles, and some
> > even make mistakes. paul ryan's one of the good guys.
>
> How can you vote for Medicare Part D and say you give a shit about
> deficits?
>
> > you're a handout lover, so your imaginary conspiracies carry no water with
> > me. obama didn't press obamacare because he wanted to give insurance
> > companies money. he pressed it because he's a goddamn math illiterage
> > imbecile who doesn't understand how insurance works. see the difference?
>
> blah blah obama idiot lawyer in chief blah blah, you can't answer my
> simple question so blah blah obama distraction blah blah blah.
hosing. i'm afraid i can't make it any simpler.
mo_ntresor
popinjay999
Aug 13, 2012, 1:10:30 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13, 10:01 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:
How did Ryan make a mistake voting for these items? Is it like video
poker where sometimes you press the wrong button?
wrote:
poker where sometimes you press the wrong button?
popinjay999
Aug 13, 2012, 1:12:59 PM8/13/12
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I was just wondering, though, how many mistakes did Rand Paul make in
his voting?
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 1:34:31 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 11:12 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> > How did Ryan make a mistake voting for these items? Is it like video
> > poker where sometimes you press the wrong button?
not everybody who sits down at vp has a clue what they're doing. i
> > How did Ryan make a mistake voting for these items? Is it like video
> > poker where sometimes you press the wrong button?
suspect paul ryan was a young, starry-eyed idiot when he made those votes.
i'd bet he's rethought and would vote differently today. what do you
think, is that possible?
> And by the way, like you said, we're all human, we all make mistakes,
> I was just wondering, though, how many mistakes did Rand Paul make in
> his voting?
bills. i suspect i'll be voting for him for president one day.
mo_ntresor
Dave the Clueless
Aug 13, 2012, 2:27:21 PM8/13/12
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-------
"The people are sending a message, and elected officials would do well to
take heed: You aren't getting any more of our tax dollars until you can
show you're responsible and can be trusted with the money you have now."
- Debbie Dooley, state coordinator of the Georgia Tea Party Patriots
BillB
Aug 13, 2012, 2:36:25 PM8/13/12
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On 8/13/2012 11:27 AM, Dave the Clueless wrote:
> Hope for your country, sure.
I don't know what that is supposed to mean. The economies of Canada and
> Hope for your country, sure.
the US are inextricably entwined. Just think of Canada as the richest,
most powerful, most progressive, best managed 51st state. That's pretty
much what it is in real life anyway.
VegasJerry
Aug 13, 2012, 3:12:18 PM8/13/12
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On Sunday, August 12, 2012 6:12:13 PM UTC-7, Jason Pawloski wrote:
> On Aug 12 2012 12:52 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
> Rand Paul has scary anti-American views, like letting states decide if
> them filthy sinful faggots can get married or not. Absolutely scary. I am
> literally terrified right now.
Don't wet your dress.
> On Aug 12 2012 12:52 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
> Rand Paul has scary anti-American views, like letting states decide if
> them filthy sinful faggots can get married or not. Absolutely scary. I am
> literally terrified right now.
O-PGManager
Aug 13, 2012, 3:12:58 PM8/13/12
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"conservative" principles butted up against the GOP establishment he
dutifully voted the way he was told. EVERY time. He's a fraud, like all
the rest. How naive can you be??
O-PGManager
Aug 13, 2012, 3:11:01 PM8/13/12
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of government. You are really determined to invent reality as you see fit
aren't you?
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 3:21:31 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 1:11 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > ryan and romney are financial guys, not lawyer whores. there's a big damn
> > difference.
>
> > ryan and romney are financial guys, not lawyer whores. there's a big damn
> > difference.
>
> How exactly is Ryan a "financial guy"? He has never earned a dime outside
> of government. You are really determined to invent reality as you see fit
> aren't you?
jesus fucking age christ. do i have to do everything for you bunch of
> of government. You are really determined to invent reality as you see fit
> aren't you?
useless goddamn idiots?
http://www.pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj.aspx?p=1
paul ryan understands this fucking chart. do you? we know obama doesn't.
if you don't, you should vote lawyer idiot.
mo_ntresor
BillB
Aug 13, 2012, 3:24:05 PM8/13/12
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On 8/13/2012 12:11 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> How exactly is Ryan a "financial guy"?
He bragged that he could balance the budget in only 52 years. To mo,
> How exactly is Ryan a "financial guy"?
that's a "financial guy."
BillB
Aug 13, 2012, 3:25:21 PM8/13/12
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On 8/13/2012 12:21 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
> jesus fucking age christ. do i have to do everything for you bunch of
> useless goddamn idiots?
>
> http://www.pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj.aspx?p=1
>
> paul ryan understands this fucking chart. do you? we know obama doesn't.
> if you don't, you should vote lawyer idiot.
May I cross-examine you on your understanding of it?
> jesus fucking age christ. do i have to do everything for you bunch of
> useless goddamn idiots?
>
> http://www.pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj.aspx?p=1
>
> paul ryan understands this fucking chart. do you? we know obama doesn't.
> if you don't, you should vote lawyer idiot.
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 3:26:31 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 1:12 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > mistakes, unclear thinking, stupidity aren't the same as intentional
> > hosing. i'm afraid i can't make it any simpler.
>
> How about cowardice? Do his reasons really matter? Every time his
> "conservative" principles butted up against the GOP establishment he
> dutifully voted the way he was told. EVERY time. He's a fraud, like all
> the rest. How naive can you be??
once a coward, always a coward? what about george mcfly?
> > mistakes, unclear thinking, stupidity aren't the same as intentional
> > hosing. i'm afraid i can't make it any simpler.
>
> How about cowardice? Do his reasons really matter? Every time his
> "conservative" principles butted up against the GOP establishment he
> dutifully voted the way he was told. EVERY time. He's a fraud, like all
> the rest. How naive can you be??
mo_ntresor
mo_ntresor
Aug 13, 2012, 3:33:34 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 1:12 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> How about cowardice? Do his reasons really matter? Every time his
> "conservative" principles butted up against the GOP establishment he
> dutifully voted the way he was told. EVERY time. He's a fraud, like all
> the rest. How naive can you be??
cowardice? you have a lot of fucking nerve, you dope. we have exactly
> How about cowardice? Do his reasons really matter? Every time his
> "conservative" principles butted up against the GOP establishment he
> dutifully voted the way he was told. EVERY time. He's a fraud, like all
> the rest. How naive can you be??
one politician in the country talking about medicare reform, and you call
him a coward. it really is pathetic.
a country carrying 50% debt to gdp can handle a lot more stupidity than
one carrying 100% debt to gdp. things have changed, haven't they?
mo_ntresor
VegasJerry
Aug 13, 2012, 3:44:36 PM8/13/12
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You're still a waste of time......
O-PGManager
Aug 13, 2012, 3:55:22 PM8/13/12
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"career politician" who's never made a dime outside of government? Try to
answer without using the words "obama" and "idiot".
O-PGManager
Aug 13, 2012, 3:57:08 PM8/13/12
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On Aug 13 2012 3:33 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
> On Aug 13 2012 1:12 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
> > How about cowardice? Do his reasons really matter? Every time his
> > "conservative" principles butted up against the GOP establishment he
> > dutifully voted the way he was told. EVERY time. He's a fraud, like all
> > the rest. How naive can you be??
>
> cowardice? you have a lot of fucking nerve, you dope. we have exactly
> one politician in the country talking about medicare reform, and you call
> him a coward. it really is pathetic.
Keep judging people on their words. We know politicians are sincere.
> On Aug 13 2012 1:12 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
> > How about cowardice? Do his reasons really matter? Every time his
> > "conservative" principles butted up against the GOP establishment he
> > dutifully voted the way he was told. EVERY time. He's a fraud, like all
> > the rest. How naive can you be??
>
> cowardice? you have a lot of fucking nerve, you dope. we have exactly
> one politician in the country talking about medicare reform, and you call
> him a coward. it really is pathetic.
I'll judge him on his VOTE for the largest, most reckless, corporatist
giveaway big government medicare expansion imaginable.
Travel A
Aug 13, 2012, 5:51:11 PM8/13/12
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Paul Ryan:
Against the Dream Act.
Against same sex marriage.
Pro life.
For: ending funding of Planned Parenthood.
For: ending funding of NPR.
Pro guns and endorsed by the NRA.
Put it this way, in a corporation, the middle managemnt doesn't go
against upper management policy (or they don't stay around too long).
Ryan's a House committee chairman and votes with Boner and the
leadership policy. Boner's a left wing collaborator and gives away the
store to Democrats on the big fiscal issues; he won't cut-off the
funding for socialism. Remember the "Boner plan"?
Keep in mind that so many conservative positions taken by the
Boner-House-leadership is in response to conservative/Tea Party
pressure. If the conservatives weren't outraged by the Dream Act
proposal, for example, it would be the law right now.
How often has Boner/Cantor initiated conservative proposals all on their
own? I can't think of any. That's what they're supposed to be there for,
isn't it? To represent the views of their party electorate, right? They
don't do that, they "look into it" and whatever the polls point to as
the best road to ass-covering, they take that road. Except, the big
issues like Obama commie "care;" then they put on a big act as if
they're against it and it passes, anyway.
Obama commie "care" never would have passed if not for the fact that the
RINO Republicans are working with the left wing. The Democrats would
never have gotten away with "Reconciliation" if there was opposition
from a legitimate congressional leadership.
The question is, would Ryan, once out of the House and a VP, be
conservative on all the issues. It's possible, but conservatives have
been good and burnt before for believing it.
If Ryan is a real conservative, would Boner pick Ryan as a committee
chairman? Of course not. Ryan's part of the scam.
It's not a conservative ticket ladies n' gentlemen. it's a RINO ticket,
but it's light-years beyond an Obama administration. At least with the
RINOs, they have to pretend that they're conservatives.
Oh, and did the defunding for Planned Parenthood and/or NPR ever come
true? Chortle, of course it didn't; even though Boner and Ryan were in
favor of it. The House controls the appropriations doesn't it? What
happened? Where did those issues go? Well, it went the same as way as
the Maxine Waters scandal: they waited until it "blew-over" and "forgot"
about it.
Against the Dream Act.
Against same sex marriage.
Pro life.
For: ending funding of Planned Parenthood.
For: ending funding of NPR.
Pro guns and endorsed by the NRA.
Put it this way, in a corporation, the middle managemnt doesn't go
against upper management policy (or they don't stay around too long).
Ryan's a House committee chairman and votes with Boner and the
leadership policy. Boner's a left wing collaborator and gives away the
store to Democrats on the big fiscal issues; he won't cut-off the
funding for socialism. Remember the "Boner plan"?
Keep in mind that so many conservative positions taken by the
Boner-House-leadership is in response to conservative/Tea Party
pressure. If the conservatives weren't outraged by the Dream Act
proposal, for example, it would be the law right now.
How often has Boner/Cantor initiated conservative proposals all on their
own? I can't think of any. That's what they're supposed to be there for,
isn't it? To represent the views of their party electorate, right? They
don't do that, they "look into it" and whatever the polls point to as
the best road to ass-covering, they take that road. Except, the big
issues like Obama commie "care;" then they put on a big act as if
they're against it and it passes, anyway.
Obama commie "care" never would have passed if not for the fact that the
RINO Republicans are working with the left wing. The Democrats would
never have gotten away with "Reconciliation" if there was opposition
from a legitimate congressional leadership.
The question is, would Ryan, once out of the House and a VP, be
conservative on all the issues. It's possible, but conservatives have
been good and burnt before for believing it.
If Ryan is a real conservative, would Boner pick Ryan as a committee
chairman? Of course not. Ryan's part of the scam.
It's not a conservative ticket ladies n' gentlemen. it's a RINO ticket,
but it's light-years beyond an Obama administration. At least with the
RINOs, they have to pretend that they're conservatives.
Oh, and did the defunding for Planned Parenthood and/or NPR ever come
true? Chortle, of course it didn't; even though Boner and Ryan were in
favor of it. The House controls the appropriations doesn't it? What
happened? Where did those issues go? Well, it went the same as way as
the Maxine Waters scandal: they waited until it "blew-over" and "forgot"
about it.
Travel A
Aug 13, 2012, 6:14:44 PM8/13/12
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prot"e"ge
Tim Norfolk
Aug 13, 2012, 6:14:42 PM8/13/12
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Travel A
Aug 13, 2012, 6:56:06 PM8/13/12
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That's not why Perot was called a "looney."
mo_ntresor
Aug 14, 2012, 8:37:53 AM8/14/12
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On Aug 13 2012 1:55 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > jesus fucking age christ. do i have to do everything for you bunch of
> > useless goddamn idiots?
> >
> > http://www.pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj.aspx?p=1
> >
> > paul ryan understands this fucking chart. do you? we know obama doesn't.
> > if you don't, you should vote lawyer idiot.
>
> Simple question... what makes Ryan a "financial guy" as opposed to a
> "career politician" who's never made a dime outside of government? Try to
> answer without using the words "obama" and "idiot".
ryan's demonstrated aptitude. did you look at the chart? do you
> > jesus fucking age christ. do i have to do everything for you bunch of
> > useless goddamn idiots?
> >
> > http://www.pgpf.org/Chart-Archive/0027_entitlement-programs-proj.aspx?p=1
> >
> > paul ryan understands this fucking chart. do you? we know obama doesn't.
> > if you don't, you should vote lawyer idiot.
>
> Simple question... what makes Ryan a "financial guy" as opposed to a
> "career politician" who's never made a dime outside of government? Try to
> answer without using the words "obama" and "idiot".
understand it? what should we do about it?
mo_ntresor
mo_ntresor
Aug 14, 2012, 9:01:45 AM8/14/12
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mo_ntresor
mo_ntresor
Aug 14, 2012, 9:04:04 AM8/14/12
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On Aug 13 2012 1:57 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > cowardice? you have a lot of fucking nerve, you dope. we have exactly
> > one politician in the country talking about medicare reform, and you call
> > him a coward. it really is pathetic.
>
> Keep judging people on their words. We know politicians are sincere.
> I'll judge him on his VOTE for the largest, most reckless, corporatist
> giveaway big government medicare expansion imaginable.
he voted against obamacare. if you keep dishonestly snipping my posts, i
> > cowardice? you have a lot of fucking nerve, you dope. we have exactly
> > one politician in the country talking about medicare reform, and you call
> > him a coward. it really is pathetic.
>
> Keep judging people on their words. We know politicians are sincere.
> I'll judge him on his VOTE for the largest, most reckless, corporatist
> giveaway big government medicare expansion imaginable.
will killfile you.
mo_ntresor
BillB
Aug 14, 2012, 1:41:15 PM8/14/12
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On 8/13/2012 12:25 PM, BillB wrote:
>> paul ryan understands this fucking chart. do you? we know obama
>> doesn't.
>> if you don't, you should vote lawyer idiot.
>
> May I cross-examine you on your understanding of it?
That's what I thought.
>> paul ryan understands this fucking chart. do you? we know obama
>> doesn't.
>> if you don't, you should vote lawyer idiot.
>
> May I cross-examine you on your understanding of it?
mo_ntresor
Aug 14, 2012, 1:52:20 PM8/14/12
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mo_ntresor
BillB
Aug 14, 2012, 2:13:32 PM8/14/12
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cross-examine you on YOUR understanding of your chart (and how Ryan's
policies -- or lack thereof -- will address any problems illustrated
therein).
It's a yes or no question.
mo_ntresor
Aug 14, 2012, 2:24:24 PM8/14/12
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On Aug 14 2012 12:13 PM, BillB wrote:
> > sorry, what can i help you understand?
>
> Non-reponsive. I don't need help understanding it. I asked if I may
> cross-examine you on YOUR understanding of your chart (and how Ryan's
> policies -- or lack thereof -- will address any problems illustrated
> therein).
>
> It's a yes or no question.
non-responsive. that's what i thought. it was a simple question.
> > sorry, what can i help you understand?
>
> Non-reponsive. I don't need help understanding it. I asked if I may
> cross-examine you on YOUR understanding of your chart (and how Ryan's
> policies -- or lack thereof -- will address any problems illustrated
> therein).
>
> It's a yes or no question.
mo_ntresor
VegasJerry
Aug 14, 2012, 3:48:32 PM8/14/12
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Jerry
mo_ntresor
Aug 14, 2012, 3:58:55 PM8/14/12
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On Aug 14 2012 1:48 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > non-responsive. that's what i thought. it was a simple question.
>
> Jesus, Bill. I have never seen so many people run so fast from these Ryan
Bill threads. The only
> responders are the ones we've already proven stupid. And even they cannot
directly answer or address
> any part of it. They're actually the embarrassment of those that have just
STFU.
correct!
> > non-responsive. that's what i thought. it was a simple question.
>
> Jesus, Bill. I have never seen so many people run so fast from these Ryan
Bill threads. The only
> responders are the ones we've already proven stupid. And even they cannot
directly answer or address
> any part of it. They're actually the embarrassment of those that have just
STFU.
mo_ntresor
Travel A
Aug 14, 2012, 4:44:14 PM8/14/12
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Mo_ Charles, ask BillB + Turd if they've been beating their wives for
over a year and a half, and they HAVE to give a "yes" or "no" answer or
they're unresponsive.
over a year and a half, and they HAVE to give a "yes" or "no" answer or
they're unresponsive.
BillB
Aug 14, 2012, 4:53:16 PM8/14/12
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Asking someone if he is willing to submit to a cross-examination of his
understanding of a chart is one such exception. He is either willing or
he isn't.
They didn't teach logic in high school pre-1980?
Travel A
Aug 15, 2012, 12:56:19 PM8/15/12
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mo_ntresor
Aug 15, 2012, 1:16:44 PM8/15/12
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he's got much time to beat his ailing wife.
mo_ntresor
Pepe Papon
Aug 16, 2012, 3:47:05 AM8/16/12
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2012 12:31:33 -0700, "mo_ntresor"
<amontillad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 12 2012 1:24 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
>> > he's made some horrible mistakes in congress, but obamacare wasn't one of
>> > them. read up on medicare, medicaide, and social security. he's not
>> > perfect, but he kicks the shit out of obama/biden.
>>
>> You hear that, Paul? Don't pay any attention to his actual voting
>> record... but trust his promises and his budget projections!
>
>it's sad when people can't talk about what's been actually said rather
>than what they believe was said. i see it here all the time.
In your posts, for example.
--
Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
<amontillad...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Aug 12 2012 1:24 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
>> > he's made some horrible mistakes in congress, but obamacare wasn't one of
>> > them. read up on medicare, medicaide, and social security. he's not
>> > perfect, but he kicks the shit out of obama/biden.
>>
>> You hear that, Paul? Don't pay any attention to his actual voting
>> record... but trust his promises and his budget projections!
>
>it's sad when people can't talk about what's been actually said rather
>than what they believe was said. i see it here all the time.
In your posts, for example.
--
Pepe "The Revelation" Papon
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