Interesting Hand from WSOP Main Event

[Planet Galaxy]

I'm doing this from memory so the details aren't correct but the gist of the hand goes something like ..

14 People left in Main Event.

You have 21 Million
Villain to right has 22 Million
You and Villain are chip leaders
198 Million total chips in play

You have KJ Diamonds

I believe pot is raised to 450k pf and both villain and you call ( could be wrong, Something like 1.5 Million pot preflop ) 3 Players to flop.

Flop x7K with two diamonds

Other player leads out, villain raises to 3.5 Million, you raise to 7 Million, other player folds, villain shoves

What do you do?

[theeleven...@gmail.com]

If it wan't clear your KJ is suited diamonds so you have the flush draw.

[mo_ntresor]

acts like he's drawing to nut flush. typically wants action with set,
discount that. if he's a tough opponent, call and take our chances. if
he's weaker, wait for a sure edge.

mo_ntresor

[XaQ Morphy]

Good hand to discuss. BB with KdJd actually has 18.7mil, villain on SB
has him covered but not by much. There's only 12 left at this point and
it's the last hand of the round. I believe blinds were 125k/250k at this
point, ante 30k or so.

Preflop the cutoff raises to 500k, button, SB and BB call. Flop is 7d 3d
Kh, checks all the way to the button who bets 1.45mil, SB raises to
3.4mil, BB raises to 7mil, folds back to SB who shoves.

So what we have here is a check raise, a check raise raise of the check
raise, and a shove over the check raise raise of the check raise. Or
something.

I don't mind the raise to 7mil all that much. The button in this hand was
giving off all sorts of tells throughout the tournament, and the SB may
have picked up on weakness here. SB's raise isn't all that strong at this
point. However, when it comes back to him and he shoves, it's time to
really evaluate what he has. I believe complete air can be thrown out at
this point because of the tournament and stack situation. He's a
competent player and isn't going to do this with something like KQ. That
really only leaves the nut flush draw, K7, or a set.

Based on the fact that there's so much hype over the final table, with all
of the endorsements and huge money on the line, BB should kick himself and
fold here. 11mil is very playable at this point. 0 isn't. Yes 40mil
would be great, but at this point in the tournament, the push to the final
table and the way the play is going to go, 40mil and 11mil are really not
that much different.

I would like KJ's play much more here if he had about 10mil to start the
hand and he can just shove over the check raise. But I think after he is
faced with this action he really needs to give it up.

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[halfpastdead]

On Oct 26 2012 2:17 PM, Planet Galaxy wrote:

wish I had learned how to play poker .. NEVER EVER would I get into this
spot

only bright spot is that HU you are never drawing dead with a pair and a
flush draw.


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[halfpastdead]

On Oct 26 2012 2:17 PM, Planet Galaxy wrote:

SB check raises button.. I would either call the SB raise or go all-in ..
making it only 7 million here is ABSOLUTELY INSANE

[Planet Galaxy]

Thanks for providing the accurate details!

I think you touched on the main point. I would play this hand differently than any other tournament because of the cache of making the ME final table.

I suppose BB knew when he raised to 7 mill he was calling an over-shove; he was a high school chess player so I'll give him that much credit. But why put yourself in that spot with several small stacks and the final table looming?

I agree giving up is the correct play in this instance.

[XaQ Morphy]

On Oct 26 2012 4:38 PM, Planet Galaxy wrote:

> Thanks for providing the accurate details!

I cheated, I went to pokernews and looked the hand up. I watched it the
other night but didn't remember the details even as well as you did.

> I think you touched on the main point. I would play this hand differently
than any other tournament
> because of the cache of making the ME final table.
>
> I suppose BB knew when he raised to 7 mill he was calling an over-shove; he
was a high school chess
> player so I'll give him that much credit. But why put yourself in that spot
with several small
> stacks and the final table looming?
>
> I agree giving up is the correct play in this instance.

I think he got caught up in where doggy's posts were heading. He can't
really just call, because then he's in a really stupid spot on the turn,
and shoving is such a huge overbet at that point that it's really not a
great play.

[Will in New Haven]

On Oct 26, 4:28 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Oct 26 2012 2:17 PM, Planet Galaxy wrote:
>
> > I'm doing this from memory so the details aren't correct but the gist of the
>
> hand goes something> like ..
>
> > 14 People left in Main Event.
>
> > You have 21 Million
> > Villain to right has 22 Million
> > You and Villain are chip leaders
> > 198 Million total chips in play
>
> > You have KJ Diamonds
>
> > I believe pot is raised to 450k pf and both villain and you call ( could be
>
> wrong, Something like> 1.5 Million pot preflop ) 3 Players to flop.
>
> > Flop x7K with two diamonds
>
> > Other player leads out, villain raises to 3.5 Million, you raise to 7
>
> Million, other player folds,
>
> > villain shoves
>
> > What do you do?
>
> Good hand to discuss.  BB with KdJd actually has 18.7mil, villain on SB
> has him covered but not by much.  There's only 12 left at this point and
> it's the last hand of the round. I believe blinds were 125k/250k at this
> point, ante 30k or so.
>
> Preflop the cutoff raises to 500k, button, SB and BB call.

I know he is going to be in middle position once the SB calls and I
suppose he is the _important_ opponent if the hand gets big because he
is another big stack. And there is going to be the possibility of
eliminating the preflop raiser. However, I don't like this situation
and might fold. I won't mind if the raiser bleeds the other big stack
or if the other big stack eliminates the raiser. No skin off my nose.

Flop is 7d 3d
> Kh, checks all the way to the button who bets 1.45mil, SB raises to
> 3.4mil, BB raises to 7mil, folds back to SB who shoves.
>
> So what we have here is a check raise, a check raise raise of the check
> raise, and a shove over the check raise raise of the check raise.  Or
> something.
>
> I don't mind the raise to 7mil all that much.  The button in this hand was
> giving off all sorts of tells throughout the tournament, and the SB may
> have picked up on weakness here.  SB's raise isn't all that strong at this
> point.  However, when it comes back to him and he shoves, it's time to
> really evaluate what he has.  I believe complete air can be thrown out at
> this point because of the tournament and stack situation.  He's a
> competent player and isn't going to do this with something like KQ.  That
> really only leaves the nut flush draw, K7, or a set.
>
> Based on the fact that there's so much hype over the final table, with all
> of the endorsements and huge money on the line, BB should kick himself and
> fold here.  11mil is very playable at this point.

44 BB init? Not cheese late in a tournament. I think folding here is
the best play.

0 isn't.  Yes 40mil
> would be great, but at this point in the tournament, the push to the final
> table and the way the play is going to go, 40mil and 11mil are really not
> that much different.

Well, yes they are. But you aren't going to get to forty million very
often against this action, given that the other big stack knows damn
well that he can fold and be in great shape also.


--
Will in New Haven