HARRAHS FUCKS WSOP DEALERS AGAIN
K9way
I AM SURE THEY ARE GOING TO CALL SOME OF THE TOURNEY DEALERS BACK TO
FINISH IT??
NOPE
THEY WILL GIVE THE DEALING CHORES TO THEIR IN HOUSE DEALERS , AND THEY
WILL MAKE A SCORE(ALONG WITH THE THEIVING FLOOR STAFF)
COULD BE WORTH 10'S OF THOUSANDS TO THE MANAGEMENT AND HOW MUCH THEY STEAL
FROM IT
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K9way
> MOVING BACK THE FINAL TABLE IS GONNA FUCK THE DEALERS AGAIN AT THE WSOP.
>
> I AM SURE THEY ARE GOING TO CALL SOME OF THE TOURNEY DEALERS BACK TO
> FINISH IT??
>
> NOPE
> THEY WILL GIVE THE DEALING CHORES TO THEIR IN HOUSE DEALERS , AND THEY
> WILL MAKE A SCORE(ALONG WITH THE THEIVING FLOOR STAFF)
>
> COULD BE WORTH 10'S OF THOUSANDS TO THE MANAGEMENT AND HOW MUCH THEY STEAL
> FROM IT
i basically wrote the above in a 'spur of the moment rant". Then I got to
thinking about this
And to be honest..IT GETS WORSE.
1. the final table players will all recieve over a million dollars. The
majority of the tokes for the WSOP ME will come out of this group.
2. All the 'worker bees" who helped manage the early stages of the events
will be gone. This one table affair can be handled by 2 management staff ,
and like 4 dealers TOPS.
UNLESS THE DEALERS HAVE AN AGREEMENT THAT THEY WILL BE CUT IN
RETROACTIVELY , AND ALL THE SUPPORT STAFF WILL SHARE IN THIS TOKE POOL..
THE DEALERS SHOULD REFUSE TO DEAL THE MAIN EVENT .
THIS IS A STONE COLD "ROB JOB".. SET UP BY THE MANAGEMENT TO FUCK THE
DEALERS AND SUPPORT STAFF
i AM GOING ON RECORD AS SAYING THAT THERE WILL BE OVER 100K IN TOKES THAT
THE PEOPLE WHO WORKED THE ENTIRE 5-6 WEEK TOURNY SHOULD BE CUT IN ON.
IF YOU THINK FOR A SECOND THAT THEY ARE GOING TO CHOP THIS 500 WAYS , AND
SEND THESE HARD WORKING PEOPLE A CHECK
YOU ARE OUT OF YOUR FUCKING MIND!!
5-6 PEOPLE ARE GOING TO MAKE 5000-25000 AND THE REST GET FUCKED!!!
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John_Brian_K
I have a VERY easy solution to this problem. Harrahs should just give the
dealers an honest wage for the job they do.
I would say somewhere 'just' north of what they make an hour now should
do. What is it, like 4.50 or something? Give em 5.50 and call it a day.
BOOM byae
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deal is.
"K9way" <poolpl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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browser
given the dealers in the past? What do you think is a "reasonable" tip from
the winner--a certain % of the winnings or some set amount? Do you think it
falls to the final 9 to "take care" of the entire dealer crew in a huge
tournament like this? I'm curious how you and others view the tipping
responsibilities in a large tournament, as I've never known how that works.
"K9way" <poolpl...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Code Artisan
@yahoo.com says...
> I'm curious how you and others view the tipping
> responsibilities in a large tournament, as I've never known how that works.
>
>
dealer to tip me from their earnings.
Cheers
Ewan
da pickle
> I have a VERY easy solution to this problem. Harrahs should just give the
> dealers an honest wage for the job they do.
>
> I would say somewhere 'just' north of what they make an hour now should
> do. What is it, like 4.50 or something? Give em 5.50 and call it a day.
If you think you can get folks to deal poker competently for 5.50 an hour,
John, you should run Harrahs.
If you think your poker dealers are incompetent, remember, it can get worse.
Or, just play on line ... much better all the way around. Maybe we can just
close those poker rooms.
Longines
> Do you have any info on what size tips the winners/final table people
> have given the dealers in the past? What do you think is a
> "reasonable" tip from the winner--a certain % of the winnings or some
> set amount? Do you think it falls to the final 9 to "take care" of
> the entire dealer crew in a huge tournament like this? I'm curious
> how you and others view the tipping responsibilities in a large
> tournament, as I've never known how that works.
Given that Harrah's already withold around $1.2M from the ME prize pool for
the staff and a further $2.7M in juice [1][2], I'm not convinced any
additional tip is required/appropriate/neccessary.
YMMV.
[1] Assuming 6500 entries.
[2]
http://www.worldseriesofpoker.com/tourney/structsheet_4948.asp?tourneyid=4948&groupid=411
thepixelfreak
> If I buy in for $10,000 and bust out before the money, I expect the
> dealer to tip me from their earnings.
Splorf! Coffee all over the place. Classic!!
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I_AM_EVIL
Hello ROXYDOG13. How are you doing this morning?
"Give someone a couple of dollars and they can't wait to spend it."
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Arlo-Payne
> Do you have any info on what size tips the winners/final table people have
> given the dealers in the past? What do you think is a "reasonable" tip from
> the winner--a certain % of the winnings or some set amount? Do you think it
> falls to the final 9 to "take care" of the entire dealer crew in a huge
> tournament like this? I'm curious how you and others view the tipping
> responsibilities in a large tournament, as I've never known how that works.
The house takes a strong percent out of the buy-ins. When I cash in one I
give the dealers nothing more.
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John_Brian_K
> John, you should run Harrahs.
Hey Pickle How are ya?
We are in a tough economic situation here Pickle. I guarantee that I
could get people to deal competently for less than what the dealers
currently make, but there is something called unions which pretty much
makes that task an impossible one.
If I told you I could get someone to bust ass hauling equipment, material
etc in the blazing sun for half as much as someone else would you think it
was a stretch?
Consider all the jobs that 'Americans don't want' they are being done by
people who understand the value of the dollar and have pride in what they
do. I know alot of people that work in the trade also. How do they get
away with paying someone half as much as the union contractor?
> If you think your poker dealers are incompetent, remember, it can get worse.
It is not so much the incompetence, but more so the wage in relation to
the job. My 5.50 comment was made a little in jest, but my personal
opinion on the matter is that poker dealers have no great skill and they
get paid to sit and toss cards. The job is not hard. There are plenty of
jobs that are similar, working at McDonald for instance. It is not a hard
job and they should not get a high wage for doing an easy job. Now lets
look at a carpenter. It is a skill job and that is why carpenters make a
decent wage. Being a president of an organization is a skill job and that
is why they make good money.
Dealing poker requires that you know what hand beats what, how to take 10%
of the money in the pot, make change, and cut the cards before putting
them in the automatic shuffle machine.
It is also a customer service based job. The majority of dealers I run
into do a pretty shitty job with the 'customer service' part. And I
really do not want to hear the excuse that they deal with really nasty
people all the time etc because EVERYONE who works in a customer service
industry run into nasty people all the time.
I had 2 jobs in my life where customer service was a key ingredient in my
performance. 1 was as a bank teller when I was 18 and the other was as a
waiter at an Italian restaurant (Brio).
I treated every single person I ran into with respect because it was my
job. I got stiffed exactly once on a tip and IMO I believe they just
forgot to leave it. I did not take that emotion of busting my ass and
getting nothing for it to my next table. I smiled and was professional
while I attended all the tables after that.
I did tell a few co-workers about it in the kitchen when I ran into them,
but didn't carry that over to the seating area.
I hear/see dealers ALL the time complain about this and complain about
that and even being downright nasty and rude to the 'customer' The reason
they feel they can get away with it is because dealers are typically in
some kind of union and also because they think the people they are doing
it to do not care.
Are ALL dealers like this? Of course not. My personal experience (which
of course molds my opinion) is that the majority are like that. I agree
that dealers probably feel like they are getting stiffed more than I felt
like I was getting stiffed at my restaurant, but I can 'almost' guarantee
that a dealer makes more than I did as a server and I busted my ass doing
that job.
So when I sit at a table and see dealers acting unprofessional and
downright rude I find it hard to feel sorry for them because their
behavior is unacceptable.
> Or, just play on line ... much better all the way around. Maybe we can just
> close those poker rooms.
I do not play online Pickle. I do however frequent the casinos quite
often and generally enjoy my time there because I like playing poker. I
do however find it difficult to have an enjoyable experience when the
staff treats me and everyone else like shit. And again this does not
happen ALL the time, but enough to make me bitter towards dealers who
complain about how much money they make when in reality they probably make
WAY more than what they actually deserve.
Bottom line being a dealer is not a hard job and if it is going to be a
tip based job then the dealer should act and treat the tipper with respect
and do their job the best they can.
BOOM byae
John
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K9way
YOU SIR ARE A TOTAL FUCKING MORON. you are right about the job not being
'difficult". However , dealer proficiency , or lack of it can devestate a
room , or make a room.
Your view comes from a bunch of people who are too cheap to buy soap, or
have the women shave under their arms. Next fucking time you have some
lazy moron dealing and he makes a burn and turn mistake in a 600 dollar (
or lb.) pot, just remember that your cheap ass just lost that pot because
you were too fucking cheap, to come off a chip once in a while.
YOU PEOPLE STINK , YOUR WOMEN STINK , AND YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT
Excuse me .. you are full of shyte!!
And to think we lost thousands of lives to save you from having to
speaking German
what were we thinking?
>
> BOOM byae
> John
K9way
> > YOU SIR ARE A TOTAL FUCKING MORON. you are right about the job not being
> > 'difficult". However , dealer proficiency , or lack of it can devestate a
> > room , or make a room.
>
> Heres a dollar Doggy. Do you feel better now? Oh wait that dollar is for
> my whole session which will last 9 hours today. You know why? Because
> your an ass.
ONE OF US IS !! Your obsession with being so cheap must come from the
guilt it carries with it. You keep being a cheap ass moron , and poker
will still make it's money off just your prescence in the game. POKER
NEEDS SUCKERS LIKE YOU!!
>
> > Your view comes from a bunch of people who are too cheap to buy soap, or
> > have the women shave under their arms. Next fucking time you have some
> > lazy moron dealing and he makes a burn and turn mistake in a 600 dollar (
> > or lb.) pot, just remember that your cheap ass just lost that pot because
> > you were too fucking cheap, to come off a chip once in a while.
>
> I have no idea what you are talking about.
of course you dont !! Cuz you dont know a damn thing about poker!!
>
> > YOU PEOPLE STINK , YOUR WOMEN STINK , AND YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT
>
> You people? My people are great.
>
> > Excuse me .. you are full of shyte!!
>
> What washed daily ancestry were you hatched from Doggy?
>
> > And to think we lost thousands of lives to save you from having to
> > speaking German
>
> WE? My grandparents, great grandparents, parents and myself all were born
> right here in the good ol USA. My father served the Army my brother the
> Marines and my other brother the Navy.
>
> > what were we thinking?
>
> Well explain who 'we' are and I will try to explain what you 'might' have
> been thinking. Shit I may even be able to tell YOU what YOU are thinking
> right NOW.
>
> BOOM byae
> John
garycarson
> > If you think you can get folks to deal poker competently for 5.50 an hour,
> > John, you should run Harrahs.
>
> Hey Pickle How are ya?
>
> We are in a tough economic situation here Pickle. I guarantee that I
> could get people to deal competently for less than what the dealers
> currently make, but there is something called unions which pretty much
> makes that task an impossible one.
I don't know where that poker dealers union is, but it's not in Nevada.
John_Brian_K
> 'difficult". However , dealer proficiency , or lack of it can devestate a
> room , or make a room.
Heres a dollar Doggy. Do you feel better now? Oh wait that dollar is for
my whole session which will last 9 hours today. You know why? Because
your an ass.
> Your view comes from a bunch of people who are too cheap to buy soap, or
> have the women shave under their arms. Next fucking time you have some
> lazy moron dealing and he makes a burn and turn mistake in a 600 dollar (
> or lb.) pot, just remember that your cheap ass just lost that pot because
> you were too fucking cheap, to come off a chip once in a while.
I have no idea what you are talking about.
> YOU PEOPLE STINK , YOUR WOMEN STINK , AND YOU ARE FULL OF SHIT
You people? My people are great.
> Excuse me .. you are full of shyte!!
What washed daily ancestry were you hatched from Doggy?
> And to think we lost thousands of lives to save you from having to
> speaking German
WE? My grandparents, great grandparents, parents and myself all were born
right here in the good ol USA. My father served the Army my brother the
Marines and my other brother the Navy.
> what were we thinking?
Well explain who 'we' are and I will try to explain what you 'might' have
been thinking. Shit I may even be able to tell YOU what YOU are thinking
right NOW.
BOOM byae
John
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K9way
i HAD TO EXPAND THE FRANCHISE ... i am going global lol
>
>
> "Give someone a couple of dollars and they can't wait to spend it."
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K9way
> On May 14 2008 5:34 AM, browser wrote:
>
> > Do you have any info on what size tips the winners/final table people have
> > given the dealers in the past? What do you think is a "reasonable" tip
from
> > the winner--a certain % of the winnings or some set amount? Do you think
it
> > falls to the final 9 to "take care" of the entire dealer crew in a huge
> > tournament like this? I'm curious how you and others view the tipping
> > responsibilities in a large tournament, as I've never known how that works.
>
> The house takes a strong percent out of the buy-ins. When I cash in one I
> give the dealers nothing more.
DONT WORRY.. NOT MUCH CHANCE OF YOU CASHING IN ONE!!
Arlo-Payne
> On May 14 2008 8:41 AM, Arlo-Payne wrote:
>
> > On May 14 2008 5:34 AM, browser wrote:
> >
> > > Do you have any info on what size tips the winners/final table people
have
> > > given the dealers in the past? What do you think is a "reasonable" tip
> from
> > > the winner--a certain % of the winnings or some set amount? Do you think
> it
> > > falls to the final 9 to "take care" of the entire dealer crew in a huge
> > > tournament like this? I'm curious how you and others view the tipping
> > > responsibilities in a large tournament, as I've never known how that
works.
> >
> > The house takes a strong percent out of the buy-ins. When I cash in one I
> > give the dealers nothing more.
>
> DONT WORRY.. NOT MUCH CHANCE OF YOU CASHING IN ONE!!
Already did asshole. I think you are confusing me with yourself.
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K9way
i have 4 cashes and one final table , you pedantic asswipe!!
I_AM_EVIL
The funny thing is as soon as I read that post I said to myself.....This
sounds just like someone on RGP.
"Give someone a couple of dollars and they can't wait to spend it."
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Arlo-Payne
prove it shit head
OrangeSFO
what Harrah's has arranged -or not arranged- regarding main event
tokes.
Am I mistaken?
Travel
dealers, surely, will make more money dealing in the WSOP than that
same amount of time dealing in a regular poker room. Why do the WSOP
dealer-tip threads always have to do with the dealers "getting
screwed"? They don't get screwed, they just want $10,000 for six weeks
work. They can always enter the various tournaments and play instead of
deal.
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RazzO
I guess the guy has never heard of a mailing address.
Announced a month in advance of the beginning of the WSOP, I think they'll
have more dealers then they will need...all with -mailing address'-.
I halfway know the plan. I'll double check my source and post tomorrow.
RazzO
email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
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Will_gamble
He can't even prove who his mother or father were.
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K9way
> For once, OrangeUFO, I think you're not mistaken. Also, the WSOP
> dealers, surely, will make more money dealing in the WSOP than that
> same amount of time dealing in a regular poker room. Why do the WSOP
> dealer-tip threads always have to do with the dealers "getting
> screwed"? They don't get screwed, they just want $10,000 for six weeks
> work. They can always enter the various tournaments and play instead of
> deal.
CAUSE THEY HAVE BEEN SCREWED THE LAST 4 FUCKIN YEARS IN A ROW .. YOU
JAGGOFF!!
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RazzO
ALL THE DEALERS WILL RECEIVE TOKES FROM ALL TOURNAMENTS!
DS, you are one poor pathetic MF. It's easy to tell when your SS check is
spent.
Is sleeping (what little you must do), eating, taking a shit, and posting
all you do?
LOL.
On May 14 2008 11:04 AM, John_Brian_K wrote:
> > YOU SIR ARE A TOTAL FUCKING MORON. you are right about the job not being
> > 'difficult". However , dealer proficiency , or lack of it can devestate a
> > room , or make a room.
>
> Heres a dollar Doggy. Do you feel better now? Oh wait that dollar is for
> my whole session which will last 9 hours today. You know why? Because
> your an ass.
RazzO
email:ticorazz (at) yahoo.com
http://www.razzo.com
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Jerry Sturdivant
Dealers from other casinos work the WSOP on their days off. And when they're
short, they put supervisors, Black Jack dealers and newbys to work. The
idiot that dealt my table gave pots to the wrong people and needed help on
making side pots.
Jerry 'n Vegas
K9way
been that way for 30 years , cause they been robbing the dealers for 30
years!!
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