Support Shale Fracking: Write your Congressman.

[Travel]

http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/06/26/shale-fracking-if-it-keeps-moving-regulate-it/

[VegasJerry]

But first, drink the water that comes from that area. (Or set it on fire and cook hot dogs). Vice President Cheney gave his oil buddies permission to go around EPA rules and not have to disclose the different poisons they pump into the local drinking water.

[BTSinAustin]

On Jun 28 2012 1:22 AM, Travel wrote:

>
http://www.redstate.com/dhorowitz3/2012/06/26/shale-fracking-if-it-keeps-moving-regulate-it/


Damn right. Shale is the answer to our needs for many years to come.

Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[BTSinAustin]

There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking.
Not one. There have been cases of shallow fracking contaminating ground
water over the years. Fracking is not new. Been going on for many years.
I worked on a fracking crew with Halliburton in 1980. The thing is
Jerry. shale is very deep. The water found at these levels is brackish
and non drinkable. The hubbub about this is normal knee jerk from the
usual suspects. The truth about shale is that it's the salvation of US
energy. We now have enough natural gas to supply our needs for 200 years.


The economics of horizontal wells depends on the region. In the
Haynesville Shale of East Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas, the farther west
you go the better it is. In LA the gas is very dry and therefore not
economic at the current 2 dollar an MMBTU. But the wells in Texas are
very wet gas. The liquids from natural gas sell for about 80 to 90% of
the price of oil so are very economical. So as long as they drill in wet
areas the liquids will support gas production.

The Eagle Ford shale in South Texas has 3 bands. Dry gas, wet gas and
oil. The oil band is estimated to have more oil than the Permian Basin
and East Texas (Cotton Valley) combined.

Don't let the idiots that HATE big oil prevent this production.




Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

On Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:09:33 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> On Jun 28 2012 8:38 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > But first, drink the water that comes from that area. (Or set it on fire and
> cook hot dogs). Vice
> > President Cheney gave his oil buddies permission to go around EPA rules and
> not have to disclose the
> > different poisons they pump into the local drinking water.
>
>
> There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking.
> Not one.

Actually more than one. It's was all covered in a documentary called Gasland; where it mentions a number of cases that have been settled with the requirement that the victims that collected not reveal the outcome of the cases.

> There have been cases of shallow fracking contaminating ground
> water over the years.

HELLO!

> Fracking is not new. Been going on for many years.
> I worked on a fracking crew with Halliburton in 1980. The thing is
> Jerry. shale is very deep. The water found at these levels is brackish
> and non drinkable. The hubbub about this is normal knee jerk from the
> usual suspects.

No, the 'hubbub' is the fact fracking involves high pressure shocks that crack the casings at virtually any depth, and the poison leaks into the drinking water.

> The truth about shale is that it's the salvation of US
> energy.

But not the environment or climate change.

> We now have enough natural gas to supply our needs for 200 years.
>
>
> The economics of horizontal wells depends on the region. In the
> Haynesville Shale of East Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas, the farther west
> you go the better it is. In LA the gas is very dry and therefore not
> economic at the current 2 dollar an MMBTU. But the wells in Texas are
> very wet gas. The liquids from natural gas sell for about 80 to 90% of
> the price of oil so are very economical. So as long as they drill in wet
> areas the liquids will support gas production.
>
> The Eagle Ford shale in South Texas has 3 bands. Dry gas, wet gas and
> oil. The oil band is estimated to have more oil than the Permian Basin
> and East Texas (Cotton Valley) combined.
>
> Don't let the idiots that HATE big oil prevent this production.

It's not about opinions on big oil.


Jerry "The Real Truth" 'n VEgas




>
>
>
>
> Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[O-PGManager]

On Jun 28 2012 10:09 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

> On Jun 28 2012 8:38 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > But first, drink the water that comes from that area. (Or set it on fire
and
> cook hot dogs). Vice
> > President Cheney gave his oil buddies permission to go around EPA rules and
> not have to disclose the
> > different poisons they pump into the local drinking water.
>
>
> There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking.
> Not one.

Bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sD4NNAb1R-k

"Two months after the drilling began on two hydrofracking wells within a
mile of her property, Kim McEvoy of Evans City, PA began to notice her
well water turning black and emitting a foul odor. “The smell of rotten
eggs was so strong that it would wake me up when the shower was running in
the next room,” Kim said, adding that headaches, constant fatigue and
growing health concerns followed. Referring to her pursuit of an
explanation for the high levels of toxic chemicals in her well water, a
resident of Susquehanna County slated to take questions at the press
conference said, “I felt helpless. Hopeless. Absolutely hopeless. . .
[Southwestern Energy] said, ‘We are not going to help you.’ It’s just me
up against a giant oil and gas corporation. My water is ruined, my
property value is totally done for.”

http://shalegasoutrage.org/news/

There have been cases of shallow fracking contaminating ground
> water over the years. Fracking is not new. Been going on for many years.
> I worked on a fracking crew with Halliburton in 1980. The thing is
> Jerry. shale is very deep. The water found at these levels is brackish
> and non drinkable. The hubbub about this is normal knee jerk from the
> usual suspects. The truth about shale is that it's the salvation of US
> energy. We now have enough natural gas to supply our needs for 200 years.
>
>
> The economics of horizontal wells depends on the region. In the
> Haynesville Shale of East Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas, the farther west
> you go the better it is. In LA the gas is very dry and therefore not
> economic at the current 2 dollar an MMBTU. But the wells in Texas are
> very wet gas. The liquids from natural gas sell for about 80 to 90% of
> the price of oil so are very economical. So as long as they drill in wet
> areas the liquids will support gas production.
>
> The Eagle Ford shale in South Texas has 3 bands. Dry gas, wet gas and
> oil. The oil band is estimated to have more oil than the Permian Basin
> and East Texas (Cotton Valley) combined.
>
> Don't let the idiots that HATE big oil prevent this production.
>
>
>
>
> Brian "The Truth" Spencer

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

[BTSinAustin]

I looked at the first 5 hits googleing this story and not one mentioned
Shale. Shale is way to deep to have been the issue. Almost all gas wells
get fracked. Apples and oranges.

>
> http://shalegasoutrage.org/news/

This looks like a nice unbiased site. LOL

>
>
>
>
> There have been cases of shallow fracking contaminating ground
> > water over the years. Fracking is not new. Been going on for many years.
> > I worked on a fracking crew with Halliburton in 1980. The thing is
> > Jerry. shale is very deep. The water found at these levels is brackish
> > and non drinkable. The hubbub about this is normal knee jerk from the
> > usual suspects. The truth about shale is that it's the salvation of US
> > energy. We now have enough natural gas to supply our needs for 200 years.
> >
> >
> > The economics of horizontal wells depends on the region. In the
> > Haynesville Shale of East Texas, Louisiana and Arkansas, the farther west
> > you go the better it is. In LA the gas is very dry and therefore not
> > economic at the current 2 dollar an MMBTU. But the wells in Texas are
> > very wet gas. The liquids from natural gas sell for about 80 to 90% of
> > the price of oil so are very economical. So as long as they drill in wet
> > areas the liquids will support gas production.
> >
> > The Eagle Ford shale in South Texas has 3 bands. Dry gas, wet gas and
> > oil. The oil band is estimated to have more oil than the Permian Basin
> > and East Texas (Cotton Valley) combined.
> >
> > Don't let the idiots that HATE big oil prevent this production.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > Brian "The Truth" Spencer
>
>
> Opie G. Manager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

No, not apples and oranges. Fracking involves high pressure shocks. The well casings going down from the surface can crack or break. Poison leaks into the drinking water. The drinking water is poisoned, and in some cases can be ignited. Do you deny this has happened and is happening?


Jerry "The Real Truth" 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

As I said there have been frac problems in the past. I know of a case
where chicken feathers came out of a water well from fracking. But it is
much safer to frac deep than shallow and shale is deep. Therefore deep is
safer than shallow.



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[ChrisRobin]

On Jun 28 2012 10:09 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

> There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking.
> Not one. There have been cases of shallow fracking contaminating ground
> water over the years.

Ahem. "Last year, The New York Times documented how gas drillers were
dumping millions of gallons of irradiated wastewater loaded with toxic
chemicals into Pennsylvania's rivers and streams, largely without
regulatory oversight."

And: "Last year, scientists at Duke University published the first
rigorous, peer-reviewed study of pollution at drilling and fracking
operations. Examining 60 sites in New York and Pennsylvania, they found
'systematic evidence for methane contamination' in household drinking
water: Water wells half a mile from drilling operations were contaminated
by methane at 17 times the rate of those farther from gas developments.

"The study caused a big stir, in part because it was the first clear
evidence that fracking was contaminating drinking water, contrary to the
industry's denials. Just weeks after the study was released, the
Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection fined Chesapeake $1.1
million – the largest fine against an oil and gas operator in the agency's
his­tory – for contaminating 17 wells in Bradford County, including some
that had been part of the Duke study."

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/news/the-big-fracking-bubble-the-scam-behind-the-gas-boom-20120301#ixzz1z6X47Zeq

> Fracking is not new. Been going on for many years.
> I worked on a fracking crew with Halliburton in 1980. The thing is
> Jerry. shale is very deep. The water found at these levels is brackish
> and non drinkable. The hubbub about this is normal knee jerk from the
> usual suspects. The truth about shale is that it's the salvation of US
> energy. We now have enough natural gas to supply our needs for 200 years.

You're peddling nonsensical industry propaganda. That foolishness about
"200 years" is just a hook to rope in investment cash for land speculation
– it refers to total gas "resource" (the sum total of all gas in the
ground), NOT actual extractable reserves (and I believe your figure is
about double what even actual industry insiders estimate). From the same
article: "At the same time, scientists began to conclude that America's
reserves of natural gas have been overhyped. In January, the Energy
Department cut its estimate of the amount of gas available in the
Marcellus Shale by nearly 70 percent, and a group affiliated with the
Colorado School of Mines warns that there may be only 23 years' worth of
economically recoverable gas left nationwide."

The U.S. Energy Information Administration thinks that estimate is overly
optimistic: "Assuming that the United States continues to use about 24 tcf
per annum, then, only an 11-year supply of natural gas is certain. The
other 89 years' worth has not yet been shown to exist or to be
recoverable. Even that comparably modest estimate of 11 years’ supply may
be optimistic. Those 273 tcf are located in reserves that are undrilled,
but are adjacent to drilled tracts where gas has been produced. Due to
large lateral differences in the geology of shale plays, production can
vary considerably from adjacent wells."

http://www.slate.com/articles/health_and_science/future_tense/2011/12/is_there_really_100_years_worth_of_natural_gas_beneath_the_united_states_.html

[VegasJerry]

But as you also said, previously:

> > There is not one verified case of water contamination
> > from shale fracking. Not one.

So you'll have to forgive me for not putting too much in your posted informations if it's come from the same source as your above, incorrect, sentence.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

> the same source as your above, incorrect, sentence..

Show me a verified case of shale fracking polluting ground water. Not
spills, not illegal dumping but a case of shale frack water percolating up
as the hysteria suggests.

And yes while it is possible for the casing to crack and leak and then get
through the cement the casing is wrapped in, it is highly unlikely. The
process is engineered to work within the tolerances of the pipe. To crack
or split the casing would be catastrophic to the bottom line. That well
would be plugged and abandoned on the spot. I personally know a family
oil company that just had to P&A a well in haynesville shale when the
driller broke off a tool in the horizontal casing. A 9 million dollar
mistake.



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

Never mind. You're obviously in denial about the poisoning of ground water by fracking.

> And yes while it is possible for the casing to crack and leak and then get
> through the cement the casing is wrapped in, it is highly unlikely.

It's happened. It's happened. Do you actually believe it hasn't? Why are you carrying water (heh) for the gas companies?


Jerry 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

It's never happend.

Read this and get back to me.

The best quote is...

"A 2011 report for the Secretary of Energy counted 19 times that water
from fracking operations spilled out of thousands of wells drilled. None
of these instances included groundwater contamination."

Read the whole article.

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/06/22/the-arithmetic-of-shale-gas/



Oh and read this one too.

http://ssrn.com/abstract=2085027

> > And yes while it is possible for the casing to crack and leak and then get
> > through the cement the casing is wrapped in, it is highly unlikely.
>
> It's happened. It's happened. Do you actually believe it hasn't?

Show me one time is all I ask.

>Why are you carrying water (heh)
> for the gas companies?

Because it's good for us. Try and get some information from someone
other than Moveon.org and MSNBC.


Here is a rebuttal to the NY Times piece Chris Robin quoted


The Arithmetic of Shale Gas
Yale Graduates in Energy Study Group

http://ssrn.com/abstract=2085027



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

You can't handle the truth

[Clave]

"BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:t55ub9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

> On Jun 28 2012 8:38 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
>> But first, drink the water that comes from that area. (Or set it on fire
>> and
> cook hot dogs). Vice
>> President Cheney gave his oil buddies permission to go around EPA rules
>> and
> not have to disclose the
>> different poisons they pump into the local drinking water.
>
>
> There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking.

http://www.npr.org/2011/12/08/143386908/epa-connects-fracking-with-water-contamination

I know, you'd rather believe BP's press releases.

Jim

[Clave]

"VegasJerry" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:439bf5a7-8cfc-4aad...@googlegroups.com...

> On Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:09:33 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

<...>

>> There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale
>> fracking. Not one.
>
> Actually more than one. It's was all covered in a documentary called
> Gasland;

Did you know that there's been no causal link established between cigarette
smoking and lung cancer?

True fact.

Jim

[Dave the Clueless]

Mai naem is Jeri end ay downt like frecking bekawse MSNBC saiz it bad

-------
Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't
matter how good you are at chess since the pigeon is just going to knock
over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around likes it’s victorious.

[Dave the Clueless]

On Jun 28 2012 11:39 AM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Thursday, June 28, 2012 7:09:33 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> > On Jun 28 2012 8:38 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
> >
> > > But first, drink the water that comes from that area. (Or set it on fire
and
> > cook hot dogs). Vice
> > > President Cheney gave his oil buddies permission to go around EPA rules
and
> > not have to disclose the
> > > different poisons they pump into the local drinking water.
> >
> >
> > There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking.
> > Not one.
>
> Actually more than one. It's was all covered in a documentary called
Gasland; where it mentions a
> number of cases that have been settled with the requirement that the victims
that collected not
> reveal the outcome of the cases.

Gasland, LOL! Figures. Entirely discredited on every factual basis. By
actual facts. LOL! Gasland!

"Colorado Oil & Gas Conservation Commission, Correcting Gasland:
Gasland incorrectly attributes several cases of water well contamination
in Colorado to oil and gas development when our investigations determined
that the wells in question contained biogenic [naturally-occurring]
methane that is not attributable to such development.

From John Hanger, Secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of
Environmental Protection: Gasland is “fundamentally dishonest” and “a
deliberately false presentation for dramatic effect.”

Gasland talks about Dunkard Creek [a massive fish kill] – an environmental
disaster – but everything we know about Dunkard Creek at this point
indicates the primary source of the problem was a coal mine in West
Virginia.
-----------

America’s Natural Gas Alliance (ANGA) has produced a video further
debunking Gasland‘s claims:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=Y1W8MnveFq8

[VegasJerry]

That's the denial part I was talking about.

> Read this and get back to me.
>
> The best quote is...
>
> "A 2011 report for the Secretary of Energy counted 19 times that water
> from fracking operations spilled out of thousands of wells drilled. None
> of these instances included groundwater contamination."

Here's getting back to you:
You should have kept reading. A continuation of that report says:

"The EPA has reported two instances of groundwater contamination from fracking in Wyoming, though the agency has been roundly criticized for its methods."

http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/06/22/the-arithmetic-of-shale-gas/

So how's that "It's never happened" doing for you?

And I'm sure you understand the difference between groundwater and aquifer. Will you make the statement that no groundwater or underground water supplies have been contaminated?

>
> Read the whole article.
>
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/06/22/the-arithmetic-of-shale-gas/
>
>
>
> Oh and read this one too.
>
> http://ssrn.com/abstract=2085027
>
>
> > > And yes while it is possible for the casing to crack and leak and then get
> > > through the cement the casing is wrapped in, it is highly unlikely.
> >
> > It's happened. It's happened. Do you actually believe it hasn't?
>
>
> Show me one time is all I ask.

I just showed you some, above. And I told you; they have names, dates and places on the investigative documentary, Gasland.

Again; do you still maintain "Never Happened?"

> >Why are you carrying water (heh)
> > for the gas companies?
>
>
> Because it's good for us. Try and get some information from someone
> other than Moveon.org and MSNBC.

I did; the Gasland investigation. Now I suggest you get some information from that and not from Fox and Limbaugh.

> Here is a rebuttal to the NY Times piece Chris Robin quoted
>
>
> The Arithmetic of Shale Gas
> Yale Graduates in Energy Study Group
>
> http://ssrn.com/abstract=2085027
>
>
>
> Brian "The Truth" Spencer
>
> You can't handle the truth

Let's see how you handle the truths I just provided.

Again; do you still maintain "Never Happened?"


Jerry 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

And I believe they're still working the theory of gravity....

[BTSinAustin]

> > > > > > > > > [Southwestern Energy] said, ‘We are not going to help you..’

According to the Secretary of Energy (works for Obama so you should blow
him) there were 0 cases.

Ground water contamination from spills is not what we are talking. I
assume the Yale paper went over your head or you didn't read it.

Gasland LOL

Did gasland tell you about the 100 mil less in NG costs? More now that NG
has dropped a buck per MMBTU.

Face it Jerry, you are owed again.

>
>
> >
> > Read the whole article.
> >
> >
http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/06/22/the-arithmetic-of-shale-gas/
> >
> >
> >
> > Oh and read this one too.
> >
> > http://ssrn.com/abstract=2085027
> >
> >
> > > > And yes while it is possible for the casing to crack and leak and then
get
> > > > through the cement the casing is wrapped in, it is highly unlikely.
> > >
> > > It's happened. It's happened. Do you actually believe it hasn't?
> >
> >
> > Show me one time is all I ask.
>
> I just showed you some, above. And I told you; they have names, dates and
places on the
> investigative documentary, Gasland.
>
> Again; do you still maintain "Never Happened?"

> >

> > Because it's good for us. Try and get some information from someone
> > other than Moveon.org and MSNBC.
>
> I did; the Gasland investigation. Now I suggest you get some information
from that and not from Fox
> and Limbaugh.

I love how you assume that since you're a one sided thinker that we are
all. Fox news is just as stupid as MSNBC. Limbaugh is as big a douche as
Ed whats his idiot. I got my information above from Forbes and Yale. Not
some hack political agenda site. Gasland, please.

But keep refusing to hear facts.


Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[Travel A]

Re: Support Shale Fracking: Write your Congressman.
Group: rec.gambling.poker
Date: Thu, Jun 28, 2012, 7:10am
From: BTSinAustin <a1...@webnntp.invalid>

............................................

I wrote:
Yes, and how can Turd be so wrong so often?

[Travel A]

Dave TC wrote:

"From John Hanger, Secretary of the Pennsylvania Department of
Environmental Protection: Gasland is fundamentally dishonest and a
deliberately false presentation for dramatic effect."

I wrote:
Yes, and that's why Clavey so desperately needs to belive it.

[VegasJerry]

On Friday, June 29, 2012 2:01:54 PM UTC-7, brewmaster wrote:
> On Jun 29 2012 1:26 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Friday, June 29, 2012 2:19:49 AM UTC-7, brewmaster wrote:
> > > On Jun 28 2012 2:22 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > >
> > > > On Thursday, June 28, 2012 11:14:11 AM UTC-7, brewmaster wrote:

<< …. bunch of static cut ….>>

> > > > Never mind. You're obviously in denial about the poisoning of ground
> water
> > > by fracking.
> >
> > > It's never happend.
> >
> > That's the denial part I was talking about.
> >
> >
> > > Read this and get back to me.
> > >
> > > The best quote is...
> > >
> > > "A 2011 report for the Secretary of Energy counted 19 times that water
> > > from fracking operations spilled out of thousands of wells drilled. None
> > > of these instances included groundwater contamination."

> > Here's getting back to you:
> > You should have kept reading. A continuation of that report says:
> >
> > "The EPA has reported two instances of groundwater contamination from
> fracking in Wyoming, though
> > the agency has been roundly criticized for its methods."
> >
> >
> http://www.forbes.com/sites/christopherhelman/2012/06/22/the-arithmetic-of-shale-gas/
> >
> > So how's that "It's never happened" doing for you?

No reply noted.

> > And I'm sure you understand the difference between groundwater and aquifer.
> > Will you make the statement that no groundwater or underground water
> > supplies have been contaminated?

> According to the Secretary of Energy (works for Obama so you should blow
> him) there were 0 cases.

I presume you won't make that statement; even with two of us showing you conclusive proof.

> Ground water contamination from spills is not what we are talking. I
> assume the Yale paper went over your head or you didn't read it.

Incorrect assumption.


> Gasland LOL

LOL at you dodging it's facts.

> Did gasland tell you about the 100 mil less in NG costs? More now that NG
> has dropped a buck per MMBTU.
>
> Face it Jerry, you are owed again.

Face it, that dodging statement shows who is really owned.

Now:

How's that "It's never happened" doing for you?

And.

Will you make the statement that no groundwater or underground water supplies have been contaminated?

Jerry 'n Vegas

[O-PGManager]

Don't you have to chemically blast through the same rock whether you are
going "deep" or "shallow"?

[BTSinAustin]

The point is that in traditional recovery, oil and gas may be shallow and
fracking can and has caused pollution of well water. Shale it so deep
that that the water found is non drinkable anyway. It's salty and full of
all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation of steam from
most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of shale fracking
polluting water wells from the actual fracking. There have been chemical
spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as there has been
for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil and gas
production is and has always been a dirty business. But modern
technology has reduced the danger to a very low level. Bad actors excluded
(BP anyone?). Read the Yale study, the potential impact of a clean up is
minor compared to the economic boost to the economy.

The knee jerk side of this equation wants you to think that fracking will
cause the end of drinking water. They base this on a sketchy computer
model of fluids percolating up 2 miles into aquifers. The geology and
economics of the shale plays are sound. Where wet gas and oil are found
it's a good investment for operators. Where it's only dry gas the profit
is not there since shale gas has driven the MMBTU cost down so far (from
7.00 in 2008 to 2.80ish today). It won't be until the wet gas plays out
that dry gas will be economical to go after. As Chris Robin points out,
speculators have driven the cost per acre out of reach in many places and
many investors were screwed but that has calmed way down. An acre
(mineral rights) in Haynesville has dropped from 13k down to a couple of
thousand. Eagle Ford lease bonuses peeked at 26K but have been dropping
now the hysteria has calmed own.

This doesn't mean we shouldn't monitor the operators, there have always
been issues with chemical spills and dumping in the industry. Shale is
no different.


Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[O-PGManager]

You didn't answer my question. Isn't the process of "fracking" using
chemicals to blast through rock to reach energy deposits? Don't I have to
chemically blast through all levels of rock (shallow and deep) and
compromise drinking water whether I'm going shallow or deep? Have you not
seen the piles of eyewitness testimony about destroyed water systems?

[VegasJerry]

So there ARE reported cases.

> Shale it so deep
> that that the water found is non drinkable anyway.

It's about the casings breaking at any depth and leaking the poison down the outside of the casings and into water at any depth.

> It's salty and full of
> all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation of steam from
> most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of shale fracking
> polluting water wells from the actual fracking.

All evidence, proof and adjudicated court cases to the contrary.

> There have been chemical
> spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as there has been
> for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil and gas
> production is and has always been a dirty business. But modern
> technology has reduced the danger to a very low level.

So how's that "Never happened" doing for you?

> Bad actors excluded
> (BP anyone?). Read the Yale study, the potential impact of a clean up is
> minor compared to the economic boost to the economy.
>
> The knee jerk side of this equation wants you to think that fracking will
> cause the end of drinking water.

Like it has in many locations.

> They base this on a sketchy computer
> model of fluids percolating up 2 miles into aquifers. The geology and
> economics of the shale plays are sound.

So why has New York and I believe Pennsylvania stopped it?

> Where wet gas and oil are found
> it's a good investment for operators. Where it's only dry gas the profit
> is not there since shale gas has driven the MMBTU cost down so far (from
> 7.00 in 2008 to 2.80ish today). It won't be until the wet gas plays out
> that dry gas will be economical to go after. As Chris Robin points out,
> speculators have driven the cost per acre out of reach in many places and
> many investors were screwed but that has calmed way down. An acre
> (mineral rights) in Haynesville has dropped from 13k down to a couple of
> thousand. Eagle Ford lease bonuses peeked at 26K but have been dropping
> now the hysteria has calmed own.
>
> This doesn't mean we shouldn't monitor the operators, there have always
> been issues with chemical spills and dumping in the industry. Shale is
> no different.
>
>
> Brian "The Truth" Spencer

GASLAND, it's fact.


Jerry

[BTSinAustin]

Not in shale, nope

>
>
> > Shale it so deep
> > that that the water found is non drinkable anyway.
>
> It's about the casings breaking at any depth and leaking the poison down the
outside of the casings
> and into water at any depth.
>
> > It's salty and full of
> > all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation of steam from
> > most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of shale fracking
> > polluting water wells from the actual fracking.
>
> All evidence, proof and adjudicated court cases to the contrary.

Try and keep up

>
>
> > There have been chemical
> > spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as there has been
> > for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil and gas
> > production is and has always been a dirty business. But modern
> > technology has reduced the danger to a very low level.
>
> So how's that "Never happened" doing for you?

Same as before, no reported cases

Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[BTSinAustin]

No, to get to the shale they drill, line the hole with steel casing. Then
they drill horizontally and only then do they frack.


Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

Ah! A qualifier. We're getting close, folks...

>
> >
> >
> > > Shale it so deep
> > > that that the water found is non drinkable anyway.
> >
> > It's about the casings breaking at any depth and leaking the poison down the
> outside of the casings
> > and into water at any depth.
> >
> > > It's salty and full of
> > > all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation of steam from
> > > most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of shale fracking
> > > polluting water wells from the actual fracking.
> >
> > All evidence, proof and adjudicated court cases to the contrary.

> Try and keep up

I did. Now about that 'never happened' of yours.....

Peoples' ground water has been poisned and you know it.

> >
> >
> > > There have been chemical
> > > spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as there has been
> > > for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil and gas
> > > production is and has always been a dirty business. But modern
> > > technology has reduced the danger to a very low level.
> >
> > So how's that "Never happened" doing for you?

> Same as before, no reported cases

Bullshit and you know that, too.

So why have NY and Penn stopped it?

Jerry 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

More bullshit. The industry itself admits Concrete and metal casings crack and there are chemical migrations up the outside both casings. "... cement and steel casings would inevitably deteriorate and fail over time, resulting in the upward migration of fracking fluids to ground water zones."

But keep selling that "never" and see how that works for you.

[BTSinAustin]

For fucks sake Jerry. You think fracking is a continuous process? Try
and keep up. The well does not stay pressurized with frack fluid forever
you moron

How is being an idiot working out for you?

>
>
>
> >
> >
> > Brian "The Truth" Spencer


Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

How is that "Never" doing for you?
Fracking has poisoned well water.


> Try and keep up.

How is that "Never" doing for you?
Fracking has poisoned well water.

> The well does not stay pressurized with frack fluid forever
> you moron

It doesn't have to.

How is that "Never" doing for you?
Fracking has poisoned well water.

> How is being an idiot working out for you?

I'm not the idiot that's backing up and causing that BEEP! BEEP! BEEP!

How is that "Never" doing for you?
Fracking has poisoned well water.

Learn to lose.


Jerry 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

Jerry. Take notes this time. Shale fracking has never poised well water.
Never. If so provide a link

Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[ramashiva]

On Jul 8, 3:52 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> Jerry.  Take notes this time.  Shale fracking has never poised well water.
> Never.  If so provide a link

As usual, Brian "The Truth" Spencer is 100% correct. As usual, Jerry,
Clave, Opie, and Chrissy are full of shit and do not know what they
are talking about.

The Peak Oil crowd is totally freaked out by fracking and shale gas.
Because if fracking is safe, and there's no evidence it's not, we have
enough natural gas to supply all the energy needs of the USA for the
next 75 years.


William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)

[fffurken]

On Jul 9, 12:26 am, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> As usual, Brian "The Truth" Spencer is 100% correct.

(titter)

You'll have anyone suck your cock.

I'm on the verge of declaring you homosexual.

[BTSinAustin]

Your post about what ruined the Democratic party was right on. The knee
jerk crowd can't stand it that we have found enough oil, gas and
petrochemicals to last for decades. Right in our own back yard. They
read a sketchy report based on a flawed computer model that by some
unexplained magic, frack fluids will percolate up 13,000 feet through
rock, sand, chalk, salt, caliche, and soil to spoil aquifers in the 200 to
800 ft. depth range. For fucks sake. They also pull up old reports about
how SHALLOW fracking that has been done for decades has indeed
contaminated some water and somehow use that as proof shale is evil. They
ignore the Yale report that clearly shows that any surface spills will be
minor economic events compared to the over 100 billion we have already
saved due to lower NG prices. That report shot the NY Times article down
in flames. The Henry Hub price for an MMBTU has dropped from 7.00ish in
2008 to a 2 to 3 dollar range. All due to shale gas. 100 billion dollars
so far. The Eagle Ford Shale oil band in south Texas has more oil than
the Permian basin and East Texas Cotton Valley combined. These fields
have produced for decades. Hell West Texas Intermediate is THE benchmark
oil in the US because of Perimian. And we now have more oil in one shale
play than Permian ever had. And shale is everywhere. Some a lot deeper.


Oh and still not one reported case of shale frack fluid coming up to
pollute water.

Why do the shale detractors hate America?

Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[da pickle]

Maybe that will be the last word.

[VegasJerry]

You are still dodging the facts.

> Shale fracking has never poised well water.

Yes, it has, that's the point.

> Never. If so provide a link

http://www.gaslandthemovie.com

You can dodge it all you want. You can refuse to address my questions about the states that are outlawing fracking and why. You can keep drinking Big Oil's cool aid. The fact is, Big Oil went to Vice President Dick Cheney and got special approval to go around EPA rules; and special approval not to release the lists of poisons they pump into the ground. This is one of the reasons Big Oil has their bought Republican presidential politicians saying they would close down the EPA.

Were you duped and too embarrassed to admit it? Or are you intentionally lying?


Jerry 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

What movie will you quote next... ET? Hannah Montana?

Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, July 8, 2012 4:26:33 PM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:
> On Jul 8, 3:52 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Jerry. Take notes this time. Shale fracking has never poised well water.
> > Never. If so provide a link

> As usual, Brian "The Truth" Spencer is 100% correct. As usual, Jerry,
> Clave, Opie, and Chrissy are full of shit and do not know what they
> are talking about.

Heh, "As usual" Coleman proves he lies about ignoring us; then continues to show why he's a liar. (Or too fucking stupid to know what's actually going on).

> The Peak Oil crowd is totally freaked out by fracking and shale gas.
> Because if fracking is safe, and there's no evidence it's not

Yea, actually there is. In fact, it's proven. That's what all the fuss is about you idiot.


Jerry (still lol at Coleman) 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, July 8, 2012 6:33:02 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> On Jul 8 2012 7:26 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> > On Jul 8, 3:52 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Jerry. Take notes this time. Shale fracking has never poised well water.
> > > Never. If so provide a link
> >
> > As usual, Brian "The Truth" Spencer is 100% correct. As usual, Jerry,
> > Clave, Opie, and Chrissy are full of shit and do not know what they
> > are talking about.
> >
> > The Peak Oil crowd is totally freaked out by fracking and shale gas.
> > Because if fracking is safe, and there's no evidence it's not, we have
> > enough natural gas to supply all the energy needs of the USA for the
> > next 75 years.
> >
> >
> > William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)

> Your post about what ruined the Democratic party was right on.

LOL @ "Democratic party is ruined." Just how fucking desperate are you?

> The knee jerk crowd can't stand it that we have found enough oil,
> gas and petrochemicals to last for decades.

And here's another stupid statement you can back up. You watch that lying FOX right? They got you in the bag and now you're too embarrassed to admit it. Go ahead, show us how "we can't stand it."

> Right in our own back yard. They
> read a sketchy report based on a flawed computer model that by some
> unexplained magic,

Heh; I won't even ask you to back this bullshit up. You're simply a right wing parrot and now too embarrassed to admit you've been had by these lies.

> frack fluids will percolate up 13,000 feet through
> rock, sand, chalk, salt, caliche, and soil to spoil aquifers in the 200 to
> 800 ft. depth range. For fucks sake.

For fucks sake is right. Now you're just making up shit. Even the gas folks wouldn't try selling that stupid line of shit. But go ahead, give us the links; show us what you got that. (Heh - watch him run).

> They also pull up old reports about
> how SHALLOW fracking that has been done for decades has indeed
> contaminated some water

Duh! Now you have to argue with the other idiots here that denied even that. You dopes should at least get your billshit together in one bag.

> and somehow use that as proof shale is evil. They
> ignore the Yale report that clearly shows that any surface spills will be
> minor economic events

It's not about surface spills you fucking idiot. They diverted you just like the other bullshit has.

> compared to the over 100 billion we have already
> saved due to lower NG prices. That report shot the NY Times article down
> in flames. The Henry Hub price for an MMBTU has dropped from 7.00ish in
> 2008 to a 2 to 3 dollar range. All due to shale gas. 100 billion dollars
> so far. The Eagle Ford Shale oil band in south Texas has more oil than
> the Permian basin and East Texas Cotton Valley combined. These fields
> have produced for decades. Hell West Texas Intermediate is THE benchmark
> oil in the US because of Perimian. And we now have more oil in one shale
> play than Permian ever had. And shale is everywhere. Some a lot deeper.
>
>
> Oh and still not one reported case of shale frack fluid coming up to
> pollute water.
>
> Why do the shale detractors hate America?

Heh, and that old dodge. You're such a stupid stooge. They got you by the nap of your scrawny little neck and are rubbing your nose in their bullshit. And you're eating it like a puppy dog.

Jerry (lol at the stooges) 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

Heh, DODGE! You asked for the facts and I provide it. Now you try playing with words?

Learn to lose; you're getting good at it.


Jerry 'n Vegas





>
> Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[BTSinAustin]

On Jul 9 2012 9:23 AM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Sunday, July 8, 2012 4:26:33 PM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:
> > On Jul 8, 3:52 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > Jerry. Take notes this time. Shale fracking has never poised well
water.
> > > Never. If so provide a link
>
> > As usual, Brian "The Truth" Spencer is 100% correct. As usual, Jerry,
> > Clave, Opie, and Chrissy are full of shit and do not know what they
> > are talking about.
>
> Heh, "As usual" Coleman proves he lies about ignoring us; then continues to
show why he's a liar.
> (Or too fucking stupid to know what's actually going on).
>
>
> > The Peak Oil crowd is totally freaked out by fracking and shale gas.
> > Because if fracking is safe, and there's no evidence it's not
>
> Yea, actually there is. In fact, it's proven. That's what all the fuss is
about you idiot.

Then why have you been silent so long. Fracking has been going on for
decades. It wasn't until we found enough oil and gas to last for many
years that you complained. Maybe if Obama takes credit you will like it?



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

On Monday, July 9, 2012 9:26:30 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> On Jul 9 2012 9:23 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Sunday, July 8, 2012 4:26:33 PM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:
> > > On Jul 8, 3:52 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Jerry. Take notes this time. Shale fracking has never poised well
> water.
> > > > Never. If so provide a link
> >
> > > As usual, Brian "The Truth" Spencer is 100% correct. As usual, Jerry,
> > > Clave, Opie, and Chrissy are full of shit and do not know what they
> > > are talking about.
> >
> > Heh, "As usual" Coleman proves he lies about ignoring us; then continues to
> show why he's a liar.
> > (Or too fucking stupid to know what's actually going on).
> >
> >
> > > The Peak Oil crowd is totally freaked out by fracking and shale gas.
> > > Because if fracking is safe, and there's no evidence it's not
> >
> > Yea, actually there is. In fact, it's proven. That's what all the fuss is
> about you idiot.

> Then why have you been silent so long.

Silent about what? Gasland and the courts have proven it.

> Fracking has been going on for decades. It wasn't until we
> found enough oil and gas to last for many years that you complained.

Wrong again, dummy. You just made a position for me; once again showing you actually don’t know what the fuck you're talking about.

> Maybe if Obama takes credit you will like it?

You're still making that BEEP! BEEP! BEEP! Noise.

So how is that "Never happened" working out for you? Did you go back to the site that lied to you about that and bitch to them? Or are you used to being used?

[bratt]

On Jul 9 2012 8:18 AM, BTSinAustin wrote:

> What movie will you quote next... ET? Hannah Montana?
>
> Brian "The Truth" Spencer

Blair Witch Project


------------------------------------------------------------------------
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker
Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP

[BTSinAustin]

LOL at gasland. I see you did not read the Colorado report debunking
Gasland. Colorado know for it's strong environmental movement no less.

Try this one Jerry

"However, using the same investigative techniques, we concluded that Mike
Markham’s and Renee McClure’s wells contained biogenic gas that was not
related to oil and gas activity. Unfortunately, Gasland does not mention
our McClure finding and dismisses our Markham finding out of hand.
The Markham and McClure water wells are both located in the
Denver-Julesburg Basin in Weld County. They and other water wells in this
area draw water from the Laramie-Fox Hills Aquifer, which is composed of
interbedded sandstones, shales, and coals. Indeed, the water well
completion report for Mr. Markham’s well shows that it penetrated at least
four different coal beds. The occurrence of methane in the coals of the
Laramie Formation has been well documented in numerous publications by the
Colorado Geological Survey, the United States Geological Survey, and the
Rocky Mountain Association of Geologists dating back more than 30 years.
For example, a 1976 publication by the Colorado Division of Water
Resources states that the aquifer contains “troublesome amounts of . . .
methane.” A 1983 publication by the United States Geological Survey
similarly states that “[m]ethane-rich gas commonly occurs in ground water
in the Denver Basin, southern Weld County, Colorado.” And a 2001 report by
the Colorado Geological Survey discusses the methane potential of this
formation and cites approximately 30 publications on this subject."


http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf


So water wells drilled trhough coal beds have methane. OMG. Seems the
movie ingnored that. How many other falsehoods were in this movie.

The best part about your cartoon proof Jer is that shale fracking did not
really come of age until after 2008. Most of this cartoon movie points to
traditional fracking that has gone on for decades.


Here is another document. You should read the whole thing. It goes over
a lot of the lies and misrepresentations the cartoon makes.

Like this one where film maker Josh Fox admits he is full of shit in the
name of art.

“I’m sorry,” Josh Fox once told a New York City magazine, “but art is more
important than politics. … Politics is people lying to you and simplifying
everything; art is about contradictions.”


http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Debunking-Gasland.pdf


Jerry, you should really check facts before you use a fictional film as
evidence. Be it a road runner cartoon, Mr Rogers or this piece of crap.



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

> > > > > > > > > > &quot;Two months after the drilling began on two hydrofracking

> > > > > > > > Jerry &quot;The Real Truth&quot; &#39;n Vegas

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > As I said there have been frac problems in the past. I know of a
> case
> > > > > > > where chicken feathers came out of a water well from fracking.
> But
> > > it is
> > > > > > > much safer to frac deep than shallow and shale is deep. Therefore
> > > deep is
> > > > > > > safer than shallow.
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Don&#39;t you have to chemically blast through the same rock whether you
> are
> > > > > > going &quot;deep&quot; or &quot;shallow&quot;?

> > > > > >
> > > > > > Opie G. Manager
> > > > > > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > > > > > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > The point is that in traditional recovery, oil and gas may be shallow
> and
> > > > > fracking can and has caused pollution of well water.
> > > >
> > > > So there ARE reported cases.
> >
> > > Not in shale, nope
> >

> > Ah! A qualifier. We&#39;re getting close, folks...

> >
> >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Shale it so deep
> > > > > that that the water found is non drinkable anyway.
> > > >

> > > > It&#39;s about the casings breaking at any depth and leaking the poison down

> the
> > > outside of the casings
> > > > and into water at any depth.
> > > >

> > > > > It&#39;s salty and full of

> > > > > all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation of steam
> from
> > > > > most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of shale
> fracking
> > > > > polluting water wells from the actual fracking.
> > > >
> > > > All evidence, proof and adjudicated court cases to the contrary.
> >
> > > Try and keep up
> >

> > I did. Now about that &#39;never happened&#39; of yours.....
> >
> > Peoples&#39; ground water has been poisned and you know it.

> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > There have been chemical
> > > > > spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as there has
> been
> > > > > for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil and gas
> > > > > production is and has always been a dirty business. But modern
> > > > > technology has reduced the danger to a very low level.
> > > >

> > > > So how&#39;s that &quot;Never happened&quot; doing for you?

> >
> > > Same as before, no reported cases
> >
> > Bullshit and you know that, too.
> >
> > So why have NY and Penn stopped it?
> >

> > Jerry &#39;n Vegas

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Bad actors excluded
> > > > > (BP anyone?). Read the Yale study, the potential impact of a clean up
> is
> > > > > minor compared to the economic boost to the economy.
> > > > >
> > > > > The knee jerk side of this equation wants you to think that fracking
> will
> > > > > cause the end of drinking water.
> > > >
> > > > Like it has in many locations.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > They base this on a sketchy computer
> > > > > model of fluids percolating up 2 miles into aquifers. The geology and
> > > > > economics of the shale plays are sound.
> > > >
> > > > So why has New York and I believe Pennsylvania stopped it?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Where wet gas and oil are found

> > > > > it&#39;s a good investment for operators. Where it&#39;s only dry gas the

> profit
> > > > > is not there since shale gas has driven the MMBTU cost down so far
> (from

> > > > > 7.00 in 2008 to 2.80ish today). It won&#39;t be until the wet gas plays

> out
> > > > > that dry gas will be economical to go after. As Chris Robin points
> out,
> > > > > speculators have driven the cost per acre out of reach in many places
> and
> > > > > many investors were screwed but that has calmed way down. An acre
> > > > > (mineral rights) in Haynesville has dropped from 13k down to a couple
> of
> > > > > thousand. Eagle Ford lease bonuses peeked at 26K but have been
> dropping
> > > > > now the hysteria has calmed own.
> > > > >

> > > > > This doesn&#39;t mean we shouldn&#39;t monitor the operators, there have always

> > > > > been issues with chemical spills and dumping in the industry. Shale
> is
> > > > > no different.
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > Brian &quot;The Truth&quot; Spencer
> > > >
> > > > GASLAND, it&#39;s fact.

> LOL at gasland.

Make that nervous laughter; it's what brought you down.

Now where is that statement of your? Remember?

"There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking."

Care to eat those words again? Care to even repost them after a few of us have proved it wrong? You really have to find a better site for your information; you've been repeatedly lied to.


Jerry 'n Vegas

> I see you did not read the Colorado report debunking

> Gasland. Colorado know for it&#39;s strong environmental movement no less.
>
> Try this one Jerry
>
> &quot;However, using the same investigative techniques, we concluded that Mike

> Markham’s and Renee McClure’s wells contained biogenic gas that was not
> related to oil and gas activity. Unfortunately, Gasland does not mention
> our McClure finding and dismisses our Markham finding out of hand.
> The Markham and McClure water wells are both located in the
> Denver-Julesburg Basin in Weld County. They and other water wells in this
> area draw water from the Laramie-Fox Hills Aquifer, which is composed of
> interbedded sandstones, shales, and coals. Indeed, the water well
> completion report for Mr. Markham’s well shows that it penetrated at least
> four different coal beds. The occurrence of methane in the coals of the
> Laramie Formation has been well documented in numerous publications by the
> Colorado Geological Survey, the United States Geological Survey, and the
> Rocky Mountain Association of Geologists dating back more than 30 years.
> For example, a 1976 publication by the Colorado Division of Water
> Resources states that the aquifer contains “troublesome amounts of . . .
> methane.” A 1983 publication by the United States Geological Survey
> similarly states that “[m]ethane-rich gas commonly occurs in ground water
> in the Denver Basin, southern Weld County, Colorado.” And a 2001 report by
> the Colorado Geological Survey discusses the methane potential of this

> formation and cites approximately 30 publications on this subject.&quot;

>
>
> http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf
>
>
> So water wells drilled trhough coal beds have methane. OMG. Seems the
> movie ingnored that. How many other falsehoods were in this movie.
>
> The best part about your cartoon proof Jer is that shale fracking did not
> really come of age until after 2008. Most of this cartoon movie points to
> traditional fracking that has gone on for decades.
>
>
> Here is another document. You should read the whole thing. It goes over
> a lot of the lies and misrepresentations the cartoon makes.
>
> Like this one where film maker Josh Fox admits he is full of shit in the
> name of art.
>
> “I’m sorry,” Josh Fox once told a New York City magazine, “but art is more
> important than politics. … Politics is people lying to you and simplifying
> everything; art is about contradictions.”
>
>
> http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Debunking-Gasland.pdf
>
>
> Jerry, you should really check facts before you use a fictional film as
> evidence. Be it a road runner cartoon, Mr Rogers or this piece of crap.
>
>
>

> Brian &quot;The Truth&quot; Spencer

[BTSinAustin]

> > > > > > > > > Jerry "The Real Truth" 'n Vegas

> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > As I said there have been frac problems in the past. I know of
a
> > case
> > > > > > > > where chicken feathers came out of a water well from

fracking..

> > But
> > > > it is
> > > > > > > > much safer to frac deep than shallow and shale is deep.
Therefore
> > > > deep is
> > > > > > > > safer than shallow.
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Don't you have to chemically blast through the same rock whether
you
> > are
> > > > > > > going "deep" or "shallow"?

> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Opie G. Manager
> > > > > > > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > > > > > > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > The point is that in traditional recovery, oil and gas may be
shallow
> > and
> > > > > > fracking can and has caused pollution of well water.
> > > > >
> > > > > So there ARE reported cases.
> > >
> > > > Not in shale, nope
> > >

> > > Ah! A qualifier. We're getting close, folks...

> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Shale it so deep
> > > > > > that that the water found is non drinkable anyway.
> > > > >

> > > > > It's about the casings breaking at any depth and leaking the poison

down
> > the
> > > > outside of the casings
> > > > > and into water at any depth.
> > > > >

> > > > > > It's salty and full of

> > > > > > all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation of
steam
> > from
> > > > > > most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of shale
> > fracking
> > > > > > polluting water wells from the actual fracking.
> > > > >
> > > > > All evidence, proof and adjudicated court cases to the contrary.
> > >
> > > > Try and keep up
> > >

> > > I did. Now about that 'never happened' of yours.....
> > >

> > > Peoples' ground water has been poisned and you know it.

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > There have been chemical
> > > > > > spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as there
has
> > been
> > > > > > for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil and gas
> > > > > > production is and has always been a dirty business. But modern
> > > > > > technology has reduced the danger to a very low level.
> > > > >

> > > > > So how's that "Never happened" doing for you?

> > >
> > > > Same as before, no reported cases
> > >
> > > Bullshit and you know that, too.
> > >
> > > So why have NY and Penn stopped it?
> > >

> > > Jerry 'n Vegas

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Bad actors excluded
> > > > > > (BP anyone?). Read the Yale study, the potential impact of a
clean up
> > is
> > > > > > minor compared to the economic boost to the economy.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > The knee jerk side of this equation wants you to think that
fracking
> > will
> > > > > > cause the end of drinking water.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like it has in many locations.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > They base this on a sketchy computer
> > > > > > model of fluids percolating up 2 miles into aquifers. The
geology and
> > > > > > economics of the shale plays are sound.
> > > > >
> > > > > So why has New York and I believe Pennsylvania stopped it?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Where wet gas and oil are found

> > > > > > it's a good investment for operators. Where it's only dry gas the

> > profit
> > > > > > is not there since shale gas has driven the MMBTU cost down so far
> > (from

> > > > > > 7.00 in 2008 to 2.80ish today). It won't be until the wet gas

plays
> > out
> > > > > > that dry gas will be economical to go after. As Chris Robin points
> > out,
> > > > > > speculators have driven the cost per acre out of reach in many
places
> > and
> > > > > > many investors were screwed but that has calmed way down. An acre
> > > > > > (mineral rights) in Haynesville has dropped from 13k down to a
couple
> > of
> > > > > > thousand. Eagle Ford lease bonuses peeked at 26K but have been
> > dropping
> > > > > > now the hysteria has calmed own.
> > > > > >

> > > > > > This doesn't mean we shouldn't monitor the operators, there have

always
> > > > > > been issues with chemical spills and dumping in the industry.
Shale
> > is
> > > > > > no different.
> > > > > >
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Brian "The Truth" Spencer
> > > > >
> > > > > GASLAND, it's fact.

>
> > LOL at gasland.
>
> Make that nervous laughter; it's what brought you down.
>
> Now where is that statement of your? Remember?
>
> "There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale fracking."
>
> Care to eat those words again? Care to even repost them after a few of us
have proved it wrong? You
> really have to find a better site for your information; you've been
repeatedly lied to.
>
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> > I see you did not read the Colorado report debunking

> > Gasland. Colorado know for it's strong environmental movement no less.
> >
> > Try this one Jerry
> >

> > "However, using the same investigative techniques, we concluded that Mike
> > Markham’s and Renee McClure’s wells contained biogenic gas that was not
> > related to oil and gas activity. Unfortunately, Gasland does not mention
> > our McClure finding and dismisses our Markham finding out of hand.
> > The Markham and McClure water wells are both located in the
> > Denver-Julesburg Basin in Weld County. They and other water wells in this
> > area draw water from the Laramie-Fox Hills Aquifer, which is composed of
> > interbedded sandstones, shales, and coals. Indeed, the water well
> > completion report for Mr. Markham’s well shows that it penetrated at least
> > four different coal beds. The occurrence of methane in the coals of the
> > Laramie Formation has been well documented in numerous publications by the
> > Colorado Geological Survey, the United States Geological Survey, and the
> > Rocky Mountain Association of Geologists dating back more than 30 years.
> > For example, a 1976 publication by the Colorado Division of Water

> > Resources states that the aquifer contains “troublesome amounts of . . ..

> > methane.” A 1983 publication by the United States Geological Survey
> > similarly states that “[m]ethane-rich gas commonly occurs in ground water
> > in the Denver Basin, southern Weld County, Colorado.” And a 2001 report by
> > the Colorado Geological Survey discusses the methane potential of this
> > formation and cites approximately 30 publications on this subject."
> >
> >

> > http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf
> >
> >
> > So water wells drilled trhough coal beds have methane. OMG. Seems the
> > movie ingnored that. How many other falsehoods were in this movie.
> >
> > The best part about your cartoon proof Jer is that shale fracking did not
> > really come of age until after 2008. Most of this cartoon movie points to
> > traditional fracking that has gone on for decades.
> >
> >
> > Here is another document. You should read the whole thing. It goes over
> > a lot of the lies and misrepresentations the cartoon makes.
> >
> > Like this one where film maker Josh Fox admits he is full of shit in the
> > name of art.
> >
> > “I’m sorry,” Josh Fox once told a New York City magazine, “but art is more
> > important than politics. … Politics is people lying to you and simplifying
> > everything; art is about contradictions.”
> >
> >
> >

http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Debunking-Gasland..pdf

> >
> >
> > Jerry, you should really check facts before you use a fictional film as
> > evidence. Be it a road runner cartoon, Mr Rogers or this piece of crap.
> >
> >
> >

> > Brian "The Truth" Spencer

I asked you for a cite weeks ago and all i got was crickets chirping.
Still hear them in fact.

Bottom line is there is not one reported case of shale fracking fluid
contaminating ground water. Prove me wrong or STFU. Look at Obama's
department of energy report. Not a single case.

How is that made up movie shit working for you Jerry? Maybe the same
place that said Obama will have a 300 billion deficit in his 4th year of
a 2nd term. LO fucking L



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

On Jul 12 2012 4:04 PM, BTSinAustin wrote:

> I asked you for a cite weeks ago and all i got was crickets chirping.
> Still hear them in fact.

You got them, you simply couldn’t address them. All you said was,
"Gasland, LOL." And therein were all the name, addresses, facts and
adjudications. Plus you never addressed why NY and Penn have stopped all
drilling. You got the facts, you just can't address them

> Bottom line is there is not one reported case of shale fracking fluid
> contaminating ground water.

Yet I provided a list and they named the courts and adjudications. You
even mentions some where "operators screwed up."

> Prove me wrong or STFU.

I did, you simply won't STFU and continue to dodge.

Address it or STFU yourself.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[bratt]

Brian - give it up. Next week Jerry is going to rent Jessica Rabbit so he
will something else to quote.

[VegasJerry]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > &quot;Two months after the drilling began on two

> > > > > > > > > > > Jerry &quot;The Real Truth&quot; &#39;n Vegas

> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > As I said there have been frac problems in the past. I know
> of
> > a
> > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > where chicken feathers came out of a water well from
> > fracking..
> > > > But
> > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > much safer to frac deep than shallow and shale is deep.
> > Therefore
> > > > > > deep is
> > > > > > > > > > safer than shallow.
> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Don&#39;t you have to chemically blast through the same rock
> whether
> > you
> > > > are
> > > > > > > > > going &quot;deep&quot; or &quot;shallow&quot;?

> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Opie G. Manager
> > > > > > > > > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > > > > > > > > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The point is that in traditional recovery, oil and gas may be
> > shallow
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > fracking can and has caused pollution of well water.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So there ARE reported cases.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Not in shale, nope
> > > > >

> > > > > Ah! A qualifier. We&#39;re getting close, folks...

> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Shale it so deep
> > > > > > > > that that the water found is non drinkable anyway.
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It&#39;s about the casings breaking at any depth and leaking the poison

> > down
> > > > the
> > > > > > outside of the casings
> > > > > > > and into water at any depth.
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It&#39;s salty and full of

> > > > > > > > all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation of
> > steam
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of shale
> > > > fracking
> > > > > > > > polluting water wells from the actual fracking.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > All evidence, proof and adjudicated court cases to the contrary.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Try and keep up
> > > > >

> > > > > I did. Now about that &#39;never happened&#39; of yours.....
> > > > >

> > > > > Peoples&#39; ground water has been poisned and you know it.

> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > There have been chemical
> > > > > > > > spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as there
> > has
> > > > been
> > > > > > > > for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil and gas
> > > > > > > > production is and has always been a dirty business. But modern
> > > > > > > > technology has reduced the danger to a very low level.
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > So how&#39;s that &quot;Never happened&quot; doing for you?

> > > > >
> > > > > > Same as before, no reported cases
> > > > >
> > > > > Bullshit and you know that, too.
> > > > >
> > > > > So why have NY and Penn stopped it?
> > > > >

> > > > > Jerry &#39;n Vegas

> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bad actors excluded
> > > > > > > > (BP anyone?). Read the Yale study, the potential impact of a
> > clean up
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > minor compared to the economic boost to the economy.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > The knee jerk side of this equation wants you to think that
> > fracking
> > > > will
> > > > > > > > cause the end of drinking water.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Like it has in many locations.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > They base this on a sketchy computer
> > > > > > > > model of fluids percolating up 2 miles into aquifers. The
> > geology and
> > > > > > > > economics of the shale plays are sound.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > So why has New York and I believe Pennsylvania stopped it?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Where wet gas and oil are found

> > > > > > > > it&#39;s a good investment for operators. Where it&#39;s only dry gas

> the
> > > > profit
> > > > > > > > is not there since shale gas has driven the MMBTU cost down so
> far
> > > > (from

> > > > > > > > 7.00 in 2008 to 2.80ish today). It won&#39;t be until the wet gas

> > plays
> > > > out
> > > > > > > > that dry gas will be economical to go after. As Chris Robin
> points
> > > > out,
> > > > > > > > speculators have driven the cost per acre out of reach in many
> > places
> > > > and
> > > > > > > > many investors were screwed but that has calmed way down. An
> acre
> > > > > > > > (mineral rights) in Haynesville has dropped from 13k down to a
> > couple
> > > > of
> > > > > > > > thousand. Eagle Ford lease bonuses peeked at 26K but have been
> > > > dropping
> > > > > > > > now the hysteria has calmed own.
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > This doesn&#39;t mean we shouldn&#39;t monitor the operators, there have

> > always
> > > > > > > > been issues with chemical spills and dumping in the industry.
> > Shale
> > > > is
> > > > > > > > no different.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > Brian &quot;The Truth&quot; Spencer
> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > GASLAND, it&#39;s fact.
> > >
> > > > LOL at gasland.
> > >
> > > Make that nervous laughter; it&#39;s what brought you down.

> > >
> > > Now where is that statement of your? Remember?
> > >

> > > &quot;There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale
> fracking.&quot;

> > >
> > > Care to eat those words again? Care to even repost them after a few of us
> > have proved it wrong? You

> > > really have to find a better site for your information; you&#39;ve been
> > repeatedly lied to.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jerry &#39;n Vegas

> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > > I see you did not read the Colorado report debunking

> > > > Gasland. Colorado know for it&#39;s strong environmental movement no less.
> > > >
> > > > Try this one Jerry
> > > >
> > > > &quot;However, using the same investigative techniques, we concluded that Mike

> > > > Markham’s and Renee McClure’s wells contained biogenic gas that was not
> > > > related to oil and gas activity. Unfortunately, Gasland does not mention
> > > > our McClure finding and dismisses our Markham finding out of hand.
> > > > The Markham and McClure water wells are both located in the
> > > > Denver-Julesburg Basin in Weld County. They and other water wells in this
> > > > area draw water from the Laramie-Fox Hills Aquifer, which is composed of
> > > > interbedded sandstones, shales, and coals. Indeed, the water well
> > > > completion report for Mr. Markham’s well shows that it penetrated at
> least
> > > > four different coal beds. The occurrence of methane in the coals of the
> > > > Laramie Formation has been well documented in numerous publications by
> the
> > > > Colorado Geological Survey, the United States Geological Survey, and the
> > > > Rocky Mountain Association of Geologists dating back more than 30 years.
> > > > For example, a 1976 publication by the Colorado Division of Water
> > > > Resources states that the aquifer contains “troublesome amounts of . . ..
> > > > methane.” A 1983 publication by the United States Geological Survey
> > > > similarly states that “[m]ethane-rich gas commonly occurs in ground water
> > > > in the Denver Basin, southern Weld County, Colorado.” And a 2001 report
> by
> > > > the Colorado Geological Survey discusses the methane potential of this

> > > > formation and cites approximately 30 publications on this subject.&quot;

> > > >
> > > >
> > > > http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > So water wells drilled trhough coal beds have methane. OMG. Seems the
> > > > movie ingnored that. How many other falsehoods were in this movie.
> > > >
> > > > The best part about your cartoon proof Jer is that shale fracking did not
> > > > really come of age until after 2008. Most of this cartoon movie points
> to
> > > > traditional fracking that has gone on for decades.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Here is another document. You should read the whole thing. It goes over
> > > > a lot of the lies and misrepresentations the cartoon makes.
> > > >
> > > > Like this one where film maker Josh Fox admits he is full of shit in the
> > > > name of art.
> > > >
> > > > “I’m sorry,” Josh Fox once told a New York City magazine, “but art is
> more
> > > > important than politics. … Politics is people lying to you and
> simplifying
> > > > everything; art is about contradictions.”
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> >
> http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Debunking-Gasland..pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jerry, you should really check facts before you use a fictional film as
> > > > evidence. Be it a road runner cartoon, Mr Rogers or this piece of crap.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >

> > > > Brian &quot;The Truth&quot; Spencer

> >
> > I asked you for a cite weeks ago and all i got was crickets chirping.
> > Still hear them in fact.
> >
> > Bottom line is there is not one reported case of shale fracking fluid

> > contaminating ground water. Prove me wrong or STFU. Look at Obama&#39;s

> > department of energy report. Not a single case.
> >
> > How is that made up movie shit working for you Jerry? Maybe the same
> > place that said Obama will have a 300 billion deficit in his 4th year of
> > a 2nd term. LO fucking L
> >
> >
> >

> > Brian &quot;The Truth&quot; Spencer

>
> Brian - give it up. Next week Jerry is going to rent Jessica Rabbit so he
> will something else to quote.
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker
> Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP

Well, well, Stupid Stocking Susan. You're right; he has to 'give it up.' He was wrong and now he can't admit he was given bad information. Probably watching too much FOX; they went to the Supreme Court in order to get their TV employees to lie to him.

What the hell does Brian think all the fuss was about; all those court cases; all those claims; all the states that are now restricting or preventing more fracking; all those poisoned wells; all those settlements? Because there never was a spill or any wells poisoned? NY and Penn stopped drilling because the EPA was doing guess work on what never happened? He even mentioned spills himself. Yet he'll still post that it's never happened?

So go ahead, ssS, entertain us with idiot references to Jessica Rabbit WETF that's about. It shows just how out of touch you are with any thread you stalk me to.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[bratt]

On Jul 14 2012 7:17 AM, VegasJerry wrote:

> So go ahead, ssS, entertain us with idiot references to Jessica Rabbit WETF
that's about. It shows
> just how out of touch you are with any thread you stalk me to.
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas

Sweetie - we all have been asking you to provide a cite - EXCEPT FOR A
MOVIE - to prove your point. Maybe you should site Blair Witch Project?

[VegasJerry]

On Saturday, July 14, 2012 6:22:52 AM UTC-7, bratt wrote:
> On Jul 14 2012 7:17 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
>

> &gt; So go ahead, ssS, entertain us with idiot references to Jessica Rabbit WETF
> that&#39;s about. It shows
> &gt; just how out of touch you are with any thread you stalk me to.
> &gt;
> &gt; Jerry &#39;n Vegas

>
> Sweetie - we all have been asking you to provide a cite - EXCEPT FOR A
> MOVIE - to prove your point. Maybe you should site Blair Witch Project?
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> Assistant Idiot

EXCEPT I provided the ultimate site. An actual documentary that was made EXACTLY for that purpose. I could do the searching and name the actual people; document the actual court cases; give the dates times and places, but waste my time for what? Just to have you and dipshit say:

"Oh yea, well we asked for data and except for the data, you didn't show us any data."

JESUS FUCKING CHRIST you're stupid, Susan (sS).

Jerry 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

> > > > > > > > > > > > > > "Two months after the drilling began on two
> > hydrofracking
> > > > > wells
> > > > > > > > > within
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > mile of her property, Kim McEvoy of Evans City, PA
> > began
> > > to
> > > > > > > notice
> > > > > > > > > her
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > well water turning black and emitting a foul

odor.. The

issue..

> > > Almost
> > > > > all
> > > > > > > gas
> > > > > > > > > > wells
> > > > > > > > > > > > > get fracked. Apples and oranges.
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > > No, not apples and oranges. Fracking involves high
pressure
> > > > > shocks.
> > > > > > > The
> > > > > > > > > > well
> > > > > > > > > > > casings going down from
> > > > > > > > > > > > the surface can crack or break. Poison leaks into the
> > > drinking
> > > > > > > water. The
> > > > > > > > > > > drinking water is
> > > > > > > > > > > > poisoned, and in some cases can be ignited. Do you deny
> > this
> > > has
> > > > > > > happened
> > > > > > > > > > > and is happening?
> > > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > > > Jerry "The Real Truth" 'n Vegas

> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > As I said there have been frac problems in the past. I
know
> > of
> > > a
> > > > > case
> > > > > > > > > > > where chicken feathers came out of a water well from
> > > fracking..
> > > > > But
> > > > > > > it is
> > > > > > > > > > > much safer to frac deep than shallow and shale is deep.
> > > Therefore
> > > > > > > deep is
> > > > > > > > > > > safer than shallow.
> > > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > > Don't you have to chemically blast through the same rock
> > whether
> > > you
> > > > > are
> > > > > > > > > > going "deep" or "shallow"?

> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Opie G. Manager
> > > > > > > > > > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > > > > > > > > > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The point is that in traditional recovery, oil and gas may be
> > > shallow
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > fracking can and has caused pollution of well water.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So there ARE reported cases.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Not in shale, nope
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Ah! A qualifier. We're getting close, folks...

> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Shale it so deep
> > > > > > > > > that that the water found is non drinkable anyway.
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > It's about the casings breaking at any depth and leaking the

poison
> > > down
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > outside of the casings
> > > > > > > > and into water at any depth.
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > It's salty and full of

> > > > > > > > > all kinds of nasty stuff. Look at the chemical compensation
of
> > > steam
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > most geo-thermal wells. There are no reported cases of
shale
> > > > > fracking
> > > > > > > > > polluting water wells from the actual fracking.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > All evidence, proof and adjudicated court cases to the
contrary.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Try and keep up
> > > > > >

> > > > > > I did. Now about that 'never happened' of yours.....
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Peoples' ground water has been poisned and you know it.

> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > There have been chemical
> > > > > > > > > spills and illegal dumping of the used frack fluids just as
there
> > > has
> > > > > been
> > > > > > > > > for decades of traditional fracking and production. Oil
and gas
> > > > > > > > > production is and has always been a dirty business. But
modern
> > > > > > > > > technology has reduced the danger to a very low level.
> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > So how's that "Never happened" doing for you?

> > > > > >
> > > > > > > Same as before, no reported cases
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Bullshit and you know that, too.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > So why have NY and Penn stopped it?
> > > > > >

> > > > > > Jerry 'n Vegas

> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Bad actors excluded
> > > > > > > > > (BP anyone?). Read the Yale study, the potential impact of a
> > > clean up
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > minor compared to the economic boost to the economy.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > The knee jerk side of this equation wants you to think that
> > > fracking
> > > > > will
> > > > > > > > > cause the end of drinking water.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Like it has in many locations.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > They base this on a sketchy computer
> > > > > > > > > model of fluids percolating up 2 miles into aquifers. The
> > > geology and
> > > > > > > > > economics of the shale plays are sound.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > So why has New York and I believe Pennsylvania stopped it?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Where wet gas and oil are found

> > > > > > > > > it's a good investment for operators. Where it's only dry

gas
> > the
> > > > > profit
> > > > > > > > > is not there since shale gas has driven the MMBTU cost down
so
> > far
> > > > > (from

> > > > > > > > > 7.00 in 2008 to 2.80ish today). It won't be until the wet

gas
> > > plays
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > that dry gas will be economical to go after. As Chris Robin
> > points
> > > > > out,
> > > > > > > > > speculators have driven the cost per acre out of reach in
many
> > > places
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > many investors were screwed but that has calmed way down. An
> > acre
> > > > > > > > > (mineral rights) in Haynesville has dropped from 13k down to
a
> > > couple
> > > > > of
> > > > > > > > > thousand. Eagle Ford lease bonuses peeked at 26K but have
been
> > > > > dropping
> > > > > > > > > now the hysteria has calmed own.
> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > This doesn't mean we shouldn't monitor the operators, there

have
> > > always
> > > > > > > > > been issues with chemical spills and dumping in the
industry.
> > > Shale
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > > > no different.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > > Brian "The Truth" Spencer
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > GASLAND, it's fact.
> > > >
> > > > > LOL at gasland.
> > > >
> > > > Make that nervous laughter; it's what brought you down.

> > > >
> > > > Now where is that statement of your? Remember?
> > > >

> > > > "There is not one verified case of water contamination from shale
> > fracking."
> > > >

> > > > Care to eat those words again? Care to even repost them after a few of
us
> > > have proved it wrong? You

> > > > really have to find a better site for your information; you've been
> > > repeatedly lied to.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > Jerry 'n Vegas

> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > I see you did not read the Colorado report debunking

> > > > > Gasland. Colorado know for it's strong environmental movement no

less.
> > > > >
> > > > > Try this one Jerry
> > > > >

..
> > > > > methane.” A 1983 publication by the United States Geological Survey
> > > > > similarly states that “[m]ethane-rich gas commonly occurs in ground
water
> > > > > in the Denver Basin, southern Weld County, Colorado.” And a 2001
report
> > by
> > > > > the Colorado Geological Survey discusses the methane potential of
this
> > > > > formation and cites approximately 30 publications on this subject."
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > http://cogcc.state.co.us/library/GASLAND%20DOC.pdf
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > So water wells drilled trhough coal beds have methane. OMG. Seems
the
> > > > > movie ingnored that. How many other falsehoods were in this movie.
> > > > >
> > > > > The best part about your cartoon proof Jer is that shale fracking
did not
> > > > > really come of age until after 2008. Most of this cartoon movie
points
> > to
> > > > > traditional fracking that has gone on for decades.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Here is another document. You should read the whole thing. It goes
over
> > > > > a lot of the lies and misrepresentations the cartoon makes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Like this one where film maker Josh Fox admits he is full of shit in
the
> > > > > name of art.
> > > > >
> > > > > “I’m sorry,” Josh Fox once told a New York City magazine, “but art is
> > more
> > > > > important than politics. … Politics is people lying to you and
> > simplifying
> > > > > everything; art is about contradictions.”
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > >
> >

http://www.energyindepth.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/11/Debunking-Gasland...pdf

> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Jerry, you should really check facts before you use a fictional film
as
> > > > > evidence. Be it a road runner cartoon, Mr Rogers or this piece of
crap.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > Brian "The Truth" Spencer

> > >
> > > I asked you for a cite weeks ago and all i got was crickets chirping.
> > > Still hear them in fact.
> > >
> > > Bottom line is there is not one reported case of shale fracking fluid

> > > contaminating ground water. Prove me wrong or STFU. Look at Obama's

> > > department of energy report. Not a single case.
> > >
> > > How is that made up movie shit working for you Jerry? Maybe the same
> > > place that said Obama will have a 300 billion deficit in his 4th year of
> > > a 2nd term. LO fucking L
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > Brian "The Truth" Spencer

> >
> > Brian - give it up. Next week Jerry is going to rent Jessica Rabbit so he
> > will something else to quote.
> >
> >
> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker
> > Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP
>
>
>
> Well, well, Stupid Stocking Susan. You're right; he has to 'give it up.' He
was wrong and now he
> can't admit he was given bad information. Probably watching too much FOX;
they went to the Supreme
> Court in order to get their TV employees to lie to him.
>
> What the hell does Brian think all the fuss was about; all those court
cases; all those claims; all
> the states that are now restricting or preventing more fracking; all those
poisoned wells; all those
> settlements? Because there never was a spill or any wells poisoned? NY and
Penn stopped drilling
> because the EPA was doing guess work on what never happened? He even
mentioned spills himself. Yet
> he'll still post that it's never happened?

Jerry, please. I’ve posted verified rebuttals to the points in Gasland.
A movie made by an ultra-extremist who admitted art was more important
than facts.

Not to rehash the volumes of facts but here are a few.

I said yes there are bad actors. Spills and illegal dumping. Every
industry has had bad actors.

The Secretary of Energy’s office, Obama’s department of energy issued a
report that said there have been zero cases of fracking in shale polluting
well water. The EPA said there were 2 wells in question in Montana that
were salt water aquifers at extreme depths. 2 out of thousands of wells
and the Department of Energy disputed the science behind those. Again
Obama’s guys. Canada also reports zero cases out of tens of thousands of
wells fracked.

The movie quoted a guy from the state of Colorado who said water wells
were polluted with methane. The state rebutted that and Colorado is known
for its stringent environmental regulation. They said that he was not
even part of the study. They also said the water wells in question were
drilled through 3 coal beds. Coal bed methane in the water. Also the man
in question has fought drilling and mining his whole life. Hardly a valid
source. The movie went with him as an expert.

New York. Seems they are still issuing permits. Hardly a stoppage.

http://www.dec.ny.gov/energy/46288.html


I have to assume you didn’t read any of the reports I linked and quoted.
Otherwise you would at least have some doubts. As we know, “A man hears
what he wants to hear and disregards the rest”. You quote movies, I quote
facts. I’m going with the EPA and Department of Energy. You go with a
filmmaker. You accuse me of dodging but ignore all the factual
evidence. You haven’t commented or rebutted one fact I posted. Go back
and read Jerry.

The good news is Shale drilling and production is alive and well. It has
driven the cost of natural gas down to a point that we have saved over 100
billion in energy costs as of 2011. A car running on NG has an equivalent
cost of 1.88 a gallon. The ultra left will not stop progress as much as
they want to. We have enough new oil reserves to last until a conversion
to NG can be made. Almost all new electric generation plants are NG
fired. We can save the coal until we need it and run the NG plants on
gassified coal. That takes the CO2 out of the equation. How can anyone
be against this? It buys us time to find the eventual non fossil fuel
solutions.



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

On Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:22:26 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:

> &gt; &gt; Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker
> &gt; &gt; Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt;
> &gt; Well, well, Stupid Stocking Susan. You&#39;re right; he has to
&#39;give it up.&#39; He

> was wrong and now he

> &gt; can&#39;t admit he was given bad information. Probably watching too

much FOX;
> they went to the Supreme

> &gt; Court in order to get their TV employees to lie to him.
> &gt;
> &gt; What the hell does Brian think all the fuss was about; all those court

> cases; all those claims; all

> &gt; the states that are now restricting or preventing more fracking; all

those
> poisoned wells; all those

> &gt; settlements? Because there never was a spill or any wells poisoned? NY
and
> Penn stopped drilling
> &gt; because the EPA was doing guess work on what never happened? He even
> mentioned spills himself. Yet
> &gt; he&#39;ll still post that it&#39;s never happened?

> Jerry, please. I&#146;ve posted verified rebuttals to the points in Gasland.

Admit you were wrong and there have been wells poisoned.


Jerry 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

On Jul 15 2012 3:23 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:22:26 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
>

> > > > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker

> > > > Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP
> > >
> > >
> > >

> > > Well, well, Stupid Stocking Susan. You're right; he has to
> 'give it up.' He

> > was wrong and now he

> > > can't admit he was given bad information. Probably watching too

> much FOX;
> > they went to the Supreme

> > > Court in order to get their TV employees to lie to him.
> > >

> > > What the hell does Brian think all the fuss was about; all those court
> > cases; all those claims; all

> > > the states that are now restricting or preventing more fracking; all
> those
> > poisoned wells; all those

> > > settlements? Because there never was a spill or any wells poisoned? NY
> and
> > Penn stopped drilling

> > > because the EPA was doing guess work on what never happened? He even
> > mentioned spills himself. Yet

> > > he'll still post that it's never happened?
>
> > Jerry, please. I�ve posted verified rebuttals to the points in Gasland.

>
> Admit you were wrong and there have been wells poisoned.
>
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas

Whoosh, So you don't understand the issue at all. You must be getting
used to losing. You did not answer a single question

[bratt]

He's going to the movies this afternoon and will get back to you after....


------------------------------------------------------------------------

[BTSinAustin]

You know he's just a master troll. I can respect that

Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:44:14 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> On Jul 15 2012 3:23 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>

> &gt; On Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:22:26 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker
> &gt; &gt; &gt; &gt; Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP
> &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; Well, well, Stupid Stocking Susan. You&#39;re right; he has to
> &gt; &#39;give it up.&#39; He
> &gt; &gt; was wrong and now he
> &gt; &gt; &gt; can&#39;t admit he was given bad information. Probably watching too
> &gt; much FOX;
> &gt; &gt; they went to the Supreme
> &gt; &gt; &gt; Court in order to get their TV employees to lie to him.
> &gt; &gt; &gt;
> &gt; &gt; &gt; What the hell does Brian think all the fuss was about; all those court
> &gt; &gt; cases; all those claims; all
> &gt; &gt; &gt; the states that are now restricting or preventing more fracking; all
> &gt; those
> &gt; &gt; poisoned wells; all those
> &gt; &gt; &gt; settlements? Because there never was a spill or any wells poisoned? NY
> &gt; and
> &gt; &gt; Penn stopped drilling
> &gt; &gt; &gt; because the EPA was doing guess work on what never happened? He even
> &gt; &gt; mentioned spills himself. Yet
> &gt; &gt; &gt; he&#39;ll still post that it&#39;s never happened?
> &gt;

> > > Jerry, please. I've posted verified rebuttals to the
> > > points in Gasland.

> > Admit you were wrong and there have been wells poisoned.
> >
> >
> > Jerry 'n Vegas

> Whoosh,

So you've relented. Noted.

> So you don't understand the issue at all.

You claiming "I'M" in denial?

>You must be getting used to losing.

GASLAND!

> You did not answer a single question

GASLAND! Learn to lose, kid; you're getting good at it.


Jerry 'n Vegas

[BTSinAustin]

On Jul 16 2012 7:01 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Sunday, July 15, 2012 12:44:14 PM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> > On Jul 15 2012 3:23 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> >
> > > On Saturday, July 14, 2012 9:22:26 AM UTC-7, BTSinAustin wrote:
> > >

> > > > > > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator, rec.gambling.poker

> > > > > > Whose stated mission is to call out the Asses on RGP
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >

> > > > > Well, well, Stupid Stocking Susan. You're right; he has to
> > > 'give it up.' He

> > > > was wrong and now he

> > > > > can't admit he was given bad information. Probably watching too
> > > much FOX;

> > > > they went to the Supreme

> > > > > Court in order to get their TV employees to lie to him.
> > > > >

> > > > > What the hell does Brian think all the fuss was about; all those
court

> > > > cases; all those claims; all

> > > > > the states that are now restricting or preventing more fracking; all

> > > those
> > > > poisoned wells; all those

> > > > > settlements? Because there never was a spill or any wells poisoned?
NY

> > > and
> > > > Penn stopped drilling

> > > > > because the EPA was doing guess work on what never happened? He even

> > > > mentioned spills himself. Yet
> > > > > he'll still post that it's never happened?
> > >

> > > > Jerry, please. I've posted verified rebuttals to the
> > > > points in Gasland.
>
> > > Admit you were wrong and there have been wells poisoned.
> > >
> > >
> > > Jerry 'n Vegas
>
> > Whoosh,
>
> So you've relented. Noted.

Fantasia

>
>
> > So you don't understand the issue at all.
>
> You claiming "I'M" in denial?

Sleeping Beauty

>
> >You must be getting used to losing.

Ice Age


>
> GASLAND!

Cars

>
> > You did not answer a single question
>
> GASLAND! Learn to lose, kid; you're getting good at it.

Sponge Bob



Brian "The Truth" Spencer

[ramashiva]

Wow! This argument is still going on??? You cited definitive facts
several days ago which ended the argument, but Jerry still wants to
argue about it?

How Beldinic of him.

[VegasJerry]

On Tuesday, July 17, 2012 9:51:58 AM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:
> On Jul 17, 8:26 am, &quot;BTSinAustin&quot; &lt;a1...@webnntp.invalid&gt; wrote:
>
> &gt; On Jul 16 2012 7:01 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> &gt; &gt; GASLAND! Learn to lose, kid; you&#39;re getting good at it.
>
> &gt; Sponge Bob

>
> Wow! This argument is still going on??? You cited definitive facts
> several days ago which ended the argument, but Jerry still wants to
> argue about it?

Not me. I proved him wrong by supplying the very data he requested. It was all contained in a documentry called Gasland. They PROVED that wells were poisned and that gas companies have paid damages.


> How Beldinic of him.

Says the by pulling a Beldin. Give it up fat man, you've already admitted you've read me.

Jerry (kicking two asses at once) 'n Vegas







>
>
> William &quot;The Life&quot; Coleman (ramashiva)