Proof Russ is a Liar (Long)
Topset72
from sources he says are iron clad like John Martino. Sadly enough Russ is so
stupid he can not even follow what he wrote. The posts that I quote are from
the "Most Sucessfull poker players?/ More Russ Bull" strings. I will also
quote from several sources that can be verified. Not the words of some guy I
know.
What follows are the parts that pertain to a (supposed) large poker loss of
someone associated with the movie "Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels," to
Chip Reese and Doyle Brunson. For the record I am a former Russ supporter who
believes there is cheating in poker rooms. I have seen it. But Russ is way
out of hand with his lies/and or rumor mongering. My sources are listed at the
bottom for anyone who cares.
A condensed preview of Russ disorganized thoughts. POST 1: Guy who made
film with initials GR lost 20 mil. playing poker with Chip and Doyle. POST
3: GR responsible for movie. You beat him for over 20 mil at Chip's house.
POST 5: Russ confirms GR is British film director Guy Ritchie. "On the tape
John Martino states Madonna's MANAGER lost 20+ million to Chip and Doyle in
Chips house. Quite a coincidence that he loses $20,000,000+ to Chip and Doyle
and makes hisfirst movie with a camera like the one they could of cheated him
with. Just another neverending coincidence?"
See how in POST 5 GR is revealed to be director Guy Ritchie and suddenly also
becomes Madonna's manager. Any person can see Russ is confused but writes as
though all he here's is true. He is a very screwed up person who needs to
stop trafficking in the shadows he occupied in the poker world.
My comments are in ( )
POST 1 - From Russ
From: RussGgca (russ...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: Most succesfull poker players??
Date: 2002-09-21 14:53:33 PST
"There was a movie called Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. An English movie
that was quite entertaining. The movie featured a scene where some people get
cheated at cards with the aid of a camera.
The person that made the movie played poker with Chip and Doyle and supposedly
lost at least $20,000,000 playing at Chips house.
Russ Georgiev
PS, he has the same initials as I do, except backwards."
(Notice he says the person who MADE the movie. Also has the Russ' reversed
initials which would be GR.)
POST 2 - Doyle Responds
From: TEX DOLLY (texd...@aol.com)
Subject: More Russ Bull
Date: 2002-09-21 19:09:27 PST
"There was a movie called Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels. An English movie
that was quite entertaining. The movie featured a scene where some people get
cheated at cards with the aid of a camera.
You say that is your expertise...How come they didn't use you?
The person that made the movie played poker with Chip and Doyle and supposedly
lost at least $20,000,000 playing at Chips house.
I've never played poker at Chips house. This is where you always screw up Russ.
You talk about things you know absolutely nothing about. Try being specific.
When? Who played? Who is the person who supposedly lost so much money? Who told
you about it? You see Russ, if you stick to Ca. you might tell some true
stories, but as always, you know nothing at all about Las Vegas.
Russ Georgiev
PS, he has the same initials as I do, except backwards.
You mean GR? Why would he object to you telling who GR is?"
(Please note Doyle ASKED who GR is.)
POST 3- Russ fires back
From: RussGgca (russ...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: More Russ Bull
Date: 2002-09-21 19:44:26 PST
">You say that is your expertise...How come they didn't use you?
>
I have stated I was an amateur compared to you. Besides you and Chip did this
to GR.
>I've never played poker at Chips house. This is where you always screw up
>Russ.
Say I give you this point, which I won't, would it make a difference if you
cheated the person at your house? Outside of the fact it was at a different
house.
>You talk about things you know absolutely nothing about. Try being specific.
Then why bother answering me. Are your legions deserting? Are you on trial
Doyle, in the court of "public opinion" and losing, to a person like me, with
NO CREDIBILITY. SEE, Si
Nice to see I am your favorite author. Would you like me to put you on a
website of mine? We could call it D & R Pokiers. Hell I could do it with Chip
and it would be C & R Pokiers..
>When? Who played? Who is the person who supposedly lost so much money?
Several years ago. Initials GR and he was responsible for making the movie. You
beat him for over 20 million. I just spoke to John Martino minutes ago and he
stated it was $26,000,000. I gave you the benefit of the doubt and lowered the
total.
You do know John Martino's recant of the rechant is coming. I wonder why the
recant tape doesn't have John Martino recanting what he said about Doug Dalton?
Maybe it will look good on a website?"
(Here Russ screws himself by saying it was definitly GR. He just reconfirmed
this with his source (laughs) John Martino. This GR person is RESPONSIBLE for
the movie. I post next, not having read Russ response, and answer Doyle's
question. )
POST 4- My Post
From: Gary (GD...@yahoo.com)
SUBJECT: RE: More Russ Bull
DATE: 2002-09-21 23:48:53 PST
"I am guessing Russ is referring to the movie's director Guy Ritchie.
Russ is full of crap as usual. Ritchie dropped out of school at
fifteen. He became a commercial director before writing and directing
his first movie "Lock". He didn't have anywhere close to $20,000,000
to lose till he married Madonna."
(What I wrote above is true and can be confirmed! I just want to point out he
is the DIRECTOR of the movie. Guy Ritchie also met Madonna DURING the filming
of this movie, when the story would have already been written. He spent 2
years shopping a short film version of "Lock" which was basically the poker
scene. This pushes it back 2 years pre-Madonna. For the last Russ post
consider that there is no one in the cast, crew, or PRODUCERS(the money men),
who have the initials GR or RG other than the DIRECTOR Guy Ritchie. Also none
of Madonna's main management team over the last 15 years have those initials.)
POST 5- Russ can't even follow his own words
From: RussGgca (russ...@aol.com)
Subject: Re: More Russ Bull
Date: 2002-09-22 00:10:01 PST
">I am guessing Russ is referring to the movie's director Guy Ritchie.
Good guess, wonder how you knew.
>He became a commercial director before writing and directing
>his first movie "Lock". He didn't have anywhere close to $20,000,000
>to lose till he married Madonna.
Guess what, watch the cheating tape, the one made May 10, 2001 and June 9,2001.
On the tape John Martino states Madonna's manager lost 20+ million to Chip and
Doyle in Chips house. So if It was made up, it was made up quite a while ago.
Quite a coincidence that he loses $20,000,000+ to Chip and Doyle and makes his
first movie with a camera like the one they could of cheated him with. Just
another neverending coincidence?"
(All done. First Russ rips on me for finally answering the one question Doyle
asked. Thinks Doyle was being coy. Russ thinks everyone knows the obviousness
of who GR Guy Ritchie is. That is except the expert Russ. Russ says to watch
the cheating tape which was made in May/ June 2001. The movie was released
August of 1998. Guy Ritchie had been shopping the movie for two years previous
to that.
Russ, Guy Ritchie has never been Madonna's manager as you wrote above. Then
you write the person who lost $20,000,000 made the movie. Who is that? The
BRITISH director who wrote and made the film or Madonna's AMERICAN managers in
NEW YORK? Or is he all of them. You have no idea what you are writing about
and should stop your madness.
Guy Ritchie met Madonna for the first time during the making of "Lock." and
they are now married. It must have been pretty hard for him to be in NY
managing her to earn the 20 mil he lost to Doyle so he could write the movie
where he met her for the first time.
Gary
I could not find anything that came close to sounding like Russ story. Guy
Ritchie was a struggling director who did not have 20 mil. He had to beg 16
different people for a hundred thousand dollars each to make the movie. A
person who can loose 20-26 million can come up with 1.6 million to make a
movie.)
SOURCES:
Internet Movie Data Base IMDB
People Magazine
Premier
Entertainment Weekly
From The widgette with Jason Flemyng (played Tom in "Lock")
How did this success come about? Well, just because you've only heard of Guy
Ritchie recently and with great immediacy, don't think it was an overnight road
to the big screen. First came a twenty minute version of Lock Stock, which was
essentially the card game that marks the descent of the film's four heroes into
mischief. And then what? Two long years of trying to get the feature-length
version financed.
About how the couple met
Hollywood.com
Dec. 23, December 26, 2000 -
Former Police frontman Sting, who donned a kilt, and wife Trudie Styler were
among the first guests to arrive for the wedding. They are guests of honor
after introducing the couple at a dinner party two years ago. Sweeping into the
driveway of the 76,000-acre estate in a navy blue Mercedes, Sting and Styler
waved to the crowds of well wishers and media.
Styler was the producer of "Lock" and invited them both to dinner DURING the
filming.
About how tough it was to find takers. Not the problem of a manager worth
millions.
angelfire.com interview with guy ritchie and cast members
JS: That's not your fault at all. (with a laugh) But you must bear with me with
my lack of enthusiasm for that question.
PS: Guy. For a first-time [feature] filmmaker to be given this amount of money,
this amount of responsibility is a big deal. How did you go about pulling that
off? Did you have to show your commercials around?
GR: The commercials, the short film, and the promos made absolutely no
difference whatsoever. It was the script. And a production company initially
wanted to pick up the script. They didn't. We went through more production
companies than I care to remember. But in the end, what we did was, a load of
individuals put up the money. They put up a hundred grand each or so. And it
came to about one and a half million dollars or something. And that reduced the
responsibility between ten, fifteen very rich people. So, they had faith in the
thing anyway - that's the theory. But there was no establishment that we got
money from, it was just a consortium of individuals that we got lots of money
from. And then we slashed the budget, slashed the budget. Because originally we
were going to make it for about seven, eight million dollars, somewhere like
that. So we just kept on hackin' it down, hackin' it down until we didn't pay
anyone. Basically, we all did it for free, which is a much better environment
in which to work under, actually, because there's a great feeling of
camaraderie and everyone supports one another and you get no prima donnas and
no one gets snotty.
Bill Vanek
> A
>person who can loose 20-26 million can come up with 1.6 million to make a
>movie.)
Not if he loses it first.
Gary Carson
>I have caught Russ lying again. You might also say he is just
Russ says lots of stuff that isn't true. But, I really think he
believes it to be true. So, I'm not convinced about this "Russ is a
liar" stuff.
Gary Carson
http:// garycarson.home.mindspring.com
James L. Hankins
Martino) but Guy Ritchie is really the director of the movie? Weak.
Just curious, who are you topset? And how do you know so much about Guy
Ritchie? I liked the movie (and thought he did a better job in Snatch).
But how do you know he didn't have that much money before marrying Madonna?
He must have had some stroke, how else do you freaking even meet and woo
Madonna? I don't think you've proven anything. Doyle denies it happened,
so again we have an accusation by Russ and then a denial and I agree,
without some sort of proof or corroborration from Russ it's clear that Russ
is simply repeating a rumor he heard.
The part I find most incredible is that someone, anyone, would gamble 20
million in a private game at someone's house. I suppose it could happen; it
just strikes me as unlikely.
"Topset72" <tops...@aol.com> wrote in message
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Topset72
>From: bilv...@softcom.net (Bill Vanek)
>Date: 9/23/02 2:28 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3d8ec244...@news.softcom.net>
money people who are that rich usually know other rich people who can come up
with 1.6 million pretty quick. It doesn't take them two years. GR never had
20 mil. to lose and Russ doen't know what he is talking about but still keeps
saying it is fact.
Gary
Topset72
>Date: 9/23/02 8:03 AM Central Daylight Time
>Message-id: <3d8f10fd....@news.mindspring.com>
knows that it is true or even has a 90% chance of it being true. You can see
from my post he is confusing two and up to three people (if Madonna's manager
did lose 20 mil) but attacking Doyle as if he has hard facts to back it up.
You are disapointing me.
Gary
Newgca
>money people who are that rich usually know other rich people who can come up
>with 1.6 million pretty quick. It doesn't take them two years. GR never had
>20 mil. to lose and Russ doen't know what he is talking about but still keeps
>saying it is fact.
>
>Gary
>
manager lost over $20 million to Chip and Doyle a few years back. WE were not
aware of his name.
Recently several tapes have reached people including a person I know from a
long time ago. After viewing the tape he told me,"do you know who the guy who
made Lock, Stock and Two Smoking Barrels is?". I told him I had NO IDEA. He
said that is Madonnna's husband and manager. I told him I didn't know that. I
told him "John Martino knows that Chip and Doyle cheated Madonna's manager for
over 20 mil".\, and it was word on the street.
I asked a few other people and they all said it must be Guy Ritchie. I even
asked John and he said "I have heard that name". This discussion went on for
over a week as several of these people thought it was quite a coincience that a
person associated with Madonna would make a movie like this, especially when a
person associated with Madonna had lost $20+. Knowing a person losing the money
or being cheated out of the money wouldn't be damamged by what we stated, it
looks like I [with help] used poor judgement with Guy Riticie. We will recant
the victim was Guy Ritchie as it looks like it isn't him. WE know who always
does the cheating as that is a constant. We don't always know who was cheated
or the exact amounts. Cheating is like HAND GRENADES, as long as you get close,
you get the money.
The Main PREMISE is this!!!!, and we will not recant it. Chip and Doyle beat a
person associated with Madonna out of $20+ million in private games, away from
the Mirage and Belagio as the games were too big and the money was not to be
split many ways.This was several years ago. I should of not come with Guy
Ritchie after over a year of making the tapes, however many were telling me
this must be the person who was cheated. I admit it doesn't look like the
person who was cheated. If I had really cared about who was cheated, I would of
done some homework into it. But this does not damage the concept.
I still have never and will never sway from the basic concept I am presenting.
Chip, Doyle and those I have named are CHEATS. This we have known for decades
as there was much participation with us and others on this. We also come with
the Premise HIGH STAKES MANAGEMENT is corrupt. Even on the recant tapes John
Martino made, he still would not recant the Mirage or the Bellagio or Doug
Dalton .
We often may get a side course wrong, but the MAIN COURSE is never wrong. Chip
and Doyle are cheats along with the rest we have named. High stakes Poker
management is corrupt. This has been our premise from the start and we will not
ever recant these. Obviously we can get amounts wrong or even the times as we
keep NO RECORDS. However by naming an inocent party as being a loser, no one is
hurt or damaged by getting a label of being a cheat.
The same inncident occured in the Bellagio incident. GCA was not 100% sure of
who was cheated as the were two people that played at the time.
WE recant Guy Ritchie at this time. WE can't see what damage has been done to
him, as he was not named as a cheat and nothing as his being corrupt was
stated. It just seems like we have the wrong loser. The CHEATERS are easy as
they NEVER CHANGE. It is always Chip and Doyle etc. doing the cheating. 30
years worth. While we may get a loser wrong at time, as they come and go like
street car, the CHEATS are a CONSTANT thing. NO possible way to get these guys
wrong as these were people that we and others in our business have been
associated for decades. If I caused Guy Ritchie any problems, GCA apologizes.
However, we can;t see that being an issue. A mistake was made on who was
cheated. The rest of the premise is correct.
Russ Georgiev
Gambling Cheating Analysts
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Bill Vanek
>>Subject: Re: Proof Russ is a Liar (Long)
>>From: bilv...@softcom.net (Bill Vanek)
>>Date: 9/23/02 2:28 AM Central Daylight Time
>>Message-id: <3d8ec244...@news.softcom.net>
>>
>>On 23 Sep 2002 06:10:05 GMT, tops...@aol.com (Topset72) wrote:
>>
>>> A
>>>person who can loose 20-26 million can come up with 1.6 million to make a
>>>movie.)
>>
>>Not if he loses it first.
>>
>>
>Out my whole post this is all you could find.
I wasn't scouring it, looking for things to argue with.
> Even if he had lost all his
>money people who are that rich usually know other rich people who can come up
>with 1.6 million pretty quick. It doesn't take them two years. GR never had
>20 mil. to lose and Russ doen't know what he is talking about but still keeps
>saying it is fact.
First, I've already read Russ's recant of the victim. That said, the
problem I had with your post is that it was offered as rock-solid
proof, but it wasn't at all.
How would you know Guy Ritchie's financial situation at that time, or
at any time? Isn't he the son of another "name" director? And do you
really think it's impossible, or even unlikely, that a person could
have the money, but not want to invest it in a movie? I'm not arguing
with your conclusions, but I don't see why you consider your post
proof of anything.