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FangBanger

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Feb 26, 2009, 10:40:27 PM2/26/09
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Chris matthews went after a senator tonight because he misused the term
'democrat" and "democratic"

I think the guy said something like "democrat party" instead of democratic
party.

Admittedly I dont understand the difference and his reason for outrage.

Matthews called it a cheap shot and childish


Anyone wanna explain it to me

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Schmedley

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Feb 26, 2009, 10:51:38 PM2/26/09
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On Feb 26 2009 10:40 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Chris matthews went after a senator tonight because he misused the term
> 'democrat" and "democratic"
>
> I think the guy said something like "democrat party" instead of democratic
> party.
>
> Admittedly I dont understand the difference and his reason for outrage.
>
> Matthews called it a cheap shot and childish
>
>
> Anyone wanna explain it to me
>
> .
> Palin/Jindal 2012... Oh no .. not that briar patch !!!


Certain elements have used "Democrat Party" as a perjorative for a
generation or so. They like it when they get a reaction. So ignore it or
tell them to f off.

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FangBanger

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Feb 26, 2009, 10:54:28 PM2/26/09
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On Feb 26 2009 9:51 PM, Schmedley wrote:

> On Feb 26 2009 10:40 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > Chris matthews went after a senator tonight because he misused the term
> > 'democrat" and "democratic"
> >
> > I think the guy said something like "democrat party" instead of democratic
> > party.
> >
> > Admittedly I dont understand the difference and his reason for outrage.
> >
> > Matthews called it a cheap shot and childish
> >
> >
> > Anyone wanna explain it to me
> >
> > .
> > Palin/Jindal 2012... Oh no .. not that briar patch !!!
>
>
> Certain elements have used "Democrat Party" as a perjorative for a
> generation or so. They like it when they get a reaction. So ignore it or
> tell them to f off.

ok .. but whats the rub ? What is the insult or error ? What does one
mean that is so terrible ?


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brewmaster

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Feb 26, 2009, 10:55:47 PM2/26/09
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On Feb 26 2009 7:51 PM, Schmedley wrote:

> On Feb 26 2009 10:40 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
> > Chris matthews went after a senator tonight because he misused the term
> > 'democrat" and "democratic"
> >
> > I think the guy said something like "democrat party" instead of democratic
> > party.
> >
> > Admittedly I dont understand the difference and his reason for outrage.
> >
> > Matthews called it a cheap shot and childish
> >
> >
> > Anyone wanna explain it to me
> >
> > .
> > Palin/Jindal 2012... Oh no .. not that briar patch !!!
>
>
> Certain elements have used "Democrat Party" as a perjorative for a
> generation or so. They like it when they get a reaction. So ignore it or
> tell them to f off.

How is it offensive though?


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Schmedley

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Feb 26, 2009, 11:36:16 PM2/26/09
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Well, I guess it is really a schoolyard thing. Calling someone a "card
carrying memeber" of some or other organization is not, on its face,
offensive, but everyone accepts as such. I know when I hear some asswipe
sneer "Democrat Party," what he is getting at, and he or she can kiss it.

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brewmaster

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Feb 26, 2009, 11:44:30 PM2/26/09
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I gotta say, I'm with Fang on this one. I wouldn't have even known there
is a difference. Also, I know lots of "card carrying members" or
organizations, NRA for example, and they don't find it offensive that you
know they carry the lifetime card. In fact, they are proud of it.

Also, "Democrat party" sounds more correct to me. Calling it "democratic
party" insinuates that all the other parties aren't democratic.
Republicans and libertarians are democratic, but not Democrat.


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Clave

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Feb 26, 2009, 11:46:09 PM2/26/09
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<...>

> Well, I guess it is really a schoolyard thing. Calling someone a "card
> carrying memeber" of some or other organization is not, on its face,
> offensive, but everyone accepts as such. I know when I hear some asswipe
> sneer "Democrat Party," what he is getting at, and he or she can kiss it.

I appreciate it when wingnuts say that. It lets me know immediately that
they aren't to be taken seriously, often saving me a whole bunch of time.

Jim


Clave

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Feb 26, 2009, 11:50:52 PM2/26/09
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<...>

> Also, "Democrat party" sounds more correct to me. Calling it "democratic
> party" insinuates that all the other parties aren't democratic.

Horseshit.

And the modern Republican party is about as far from democratic as it gets.


> Republicans and libertarians are democratic, but not Democrat.

Democrat is a noun. Democratic is an adjective.

Jim


Irish Mike

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Feb 26, 2009, 11:58:25 PM2/26/09
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"Schmedley" <schme...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> On Feb 26 2009 10:40 PM, FangBanger wrote:
>
>> Chris matthews went after a senator tonight because he misused the term
>> 'democrat" and "democratic"
>>
>> I think the guy said something like "democrat party" instead of
>> democratic
>> party.
>>
>> Admittedly I dont understand the difference and his reason for outrage.
>>
>> Matthews called it a cheap shot and childish
>>
>>
>> Anyone wanna explain it to me
>>
>> .
>> Palin/Jindal 2012... Oh no .. not that briar patch !!!
>
>
> Certain elements have used "Democrat Party" as a perjorative for a
> generation or so. They like it when they get a reaction. So ignore it or
> tell them to f off.

Chris "a thrill ran up my leg when I heard Obama speak" Matthews is minister
of propaganda for the Democrats and the Obama administration. If you
understand that he sees it as his job to advance their beliefs and
interests, it puts what he says in perspective.

Irish Mike

Jason Pawloski

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Feb 27, 2009, 12:26:18 AM2/27/09
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On Feb 26 2009 8:40 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Chris matthews went after a senator tonight because he misused the term
> 'democrat" and "democratic"
>
> I think the guy said something like "democrat party" instead of democratic
> party.
>
> Admittedly I dont understand the difference and his reason for outrage.
>
> Matthews called it a cheap shot and childish
>
>
> Anyone wanna explain it to me
>
> .
> Palin/Jindal 2012... Oh no .. not that briar patch !!!

I made an account and was trolling DailyKos so bad. Those guys fall right
in line with talking points, it's like playing with puppets. But in one
post I made the egregious error using "Democrat party" instead of
"Democratic party." They all came out of the woodwork and flamed me worse
than I've ever been flamed on here. I don't get it either.

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Jason Pawloski

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Feb 27, 2009, 12:29:49 AM2/27/09
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When was the last time you've ever seriously listened to someone who you
didn't agree with? Be honest...

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Clave

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Feb 27, 2009, 12:40:45 AM2/27/09
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"Jason Pawloski" <a67...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Feb 26 2009 9:46 PM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "Schmedley" <schme...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> news:077k76x...@recgroups.com...
>>
>> <...>
>>
>> > Well, I guess it is really a schoolyard thing. Calling someone a "card
>> > carrying memeber" of some or other organization is not, on its face,
>> > offensive, but everyone accepts as such. I know when I hear some
>> > asswipe
>> > sneer "Democrat Party," what he is getting at, and he or she can kiss
>> > it.
>>
>> I appreciate it when wingnuts say that. It lets me know immediately that
>> they aren't to be taken seriously, often saving me a whole bunch of time.
>>
>> Jim
>
> When was the last time you've ever seriously listened to someone who you
> didn't agree with? Be honest...

I listen to people I disagree with quite frequently -- I have quite a few
intelligent conservative friends, and I have professional disagreements with
my cow-orkers from time to time. I have a lot of respect for all of them,
because they're intelligent, thoughtful people.

I don't feel compelled to put people who use the phrase "Democrat Party" in
that category is all. Sorry all to hell if that vexes you.

Jim


Alim Nassor

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Feb 27, 2009, 12:41:21 AM2/27/09
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On Feb 26, 11:29 pm, "Jason Pawloski" <a679...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Feb 26 2009 9:46 PM, Clave wrote:
>
> > "Schmedley" <schmege...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

I think it started when an ad was ran with the word DemocRAT spelled
out to highlight the rat. Of course I can do the same thing with
DemocRATic, so I dont get it either.

Republicans don't belong to a Republicanatic party do they?

Schmedley

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Feb 27, 2009, 12:53:44 AM2/27/09
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But you have to admit calling somebody a cow-orker is probably pretty
offensive.

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Alim Nassor

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On Feb 26, 11:40 pm, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com>
wrote:
> "Jason Pawloski" <a679...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

>
> news:dbak76x...@recgroups.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Feb 26 2009 9:46 PM, Clave wrote:
>
> >> "Schmedley" <schmege...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

> >>news:077k76x...@recgroups.com...
>
> >> <...>
>
> >> > Well, I guess it is really a schoolyard thing.  Calling someone a "card
> >> > carrying memeber" of some or other organization is not, on its face,
> >> > offensive, but everyone accepts as such.  I know when I hear some
> >> > asswipe
> >> > sneer "Democrat Party," what he is getting at, and he or she can kiss
> >> > it.
>
> >> I appreciate it when wingnuts say that.  It lets me know immediately that
> >> they aren't to be taken seriously, often saving me a whole bunch of time.
>
> >> Jim
>
> > When was the last time you've ever seriously listened to someone who you
> > didn't agree with? Be honest...
>
> I listen to people I disagree with quite frequently -- I have quite a few
> intelligent conservative friends, and I have professional disagreements with
> my cow-orkers from time to time.  I have a lot of respect for all of them,
> because they're intelligent, thoughtful people.
>
> I don't feel compelled to put people who use the phrase "Democrat Party" in
> that category is all.  Sorry all to hell if that vexes you.
>
> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

The whole country now is so easily offended. I've never gotten
offended by a joke that targeted my religion, my race, or any other
trait of mine. Seems like some people go out of there way to get
pissed off. I've always figured tough shit on 'em.

Clave

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Feb 27, 2009, 1:01:24 AM2/27/09
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"Schmedley" <schme...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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It's a habit I picked up from another newsfroup.

Jim


Clave

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"Alim Nassor" <alimn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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The whole country now is so easily offended...
=========================================================================

If you're trying to imply that the term offends me, don't, because it
doesn't -- I've never been a member of any political party and I don't
identify with the Democrats. As I said, I use it as a triage tool to decide
who to pay serious attention to.

Sounds like Jason was plenty offended by that though. Maybe you were
talking about him.

Jim


Clave

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========================================================================

You aren't going to find any grammatical justification for the deliberate
illiteracy.

"Republican" is both a noun and a verb, "Democrat" is just a noun, and
"Democratic" is just a verb.

This isn't rocket science, boys -- it isn't even advanced grammar. I mean
really -- this is a pretty pathetic thing to suck at.

Jim


FangBanger

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Feb 27, 2009, 2:04:57 AM2/27/09
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i undestand that there are very distinct differences in the uses of words
like democratic and republic and other words that have varying meaning in
the context of how they are used

I knew a guy who was iranian and he explained the difference in the
pronunciation of the word Iranian

To pronounce it eye.rain.i.an is a tremendous insult but

if you pronounce it ear.on ian it is the proper pronunciation

i still havent seen anything that points out the distinction between the 2
terms used on the broadcast

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Alim Nassor

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On Feb 27, 12:11 am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com>
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> "Alim Nassor" <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> Jim- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

Actually Jim democratic is an adjective. Now what was that about
advanced grammar? Pretty pathetic to not know your verbs from your
adjectives don't ya think?

Alim Nassor

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> adjectives don't ya think?- Hide quoted text -

>
> - Show quoted text -

And while we are at it, Republican is both a noun and an adjective,
not a verb. Not even advnaced grammar and you suck at it. Pretty
pathetic in your words.

Alim Nassor

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Feb 27, 2009, 2:25:05 AM2/27/09
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I'm not sure why itmakes people mad either doggy, but I do think it
started with that TV ad where RAT was highlighted. I remember people
placing emphasis on the RAT just to make democrats mad. I thought
that was just as silly as the people who get worked up over it.

Clave

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===================================================================

How can you be right about that and still "not get" why "Democrat Party" is
a mark of deliberate illiteracy?

Jim


Clave

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I surrender that point. I'm not that careless when I'm taking someone
seriously.

Now tell me again how you don't understand why "Democrat Party" is
grammatically igganant.

Jim


Alim Nassor

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Feb 27, 2009, 2:30:55 AM2/27/09
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On Feb 27, 1:27 am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com>

Oh I understand it is not grammatically correct, but do you really
think the people that are offended by it are offended because it would
have been marked wrong in 6th grade English?

How do you cope with the fact that by your own definition you suck at
grammar and are pathetic?

Jason Pawloski

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I know what you mean. I typically see people with over 100,000 Usenet
posts as complete d-bags and I can't take them seriously or reason with
them as if they were an intelligent, thoughtful person.

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Clave

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<...>

> Oh I understand it is not grammatically correct, but do you really
> think the people that are offended by it are offended because it would
> have been marked wrong in 6th grade English?

I don't think as many people are "offended" by it as you'd like to believe.

I'm far from in the minority as to those on the left who simply see it as a
mark of rank wingnuttery, and it's not even close to the more egregious
tells you guys snowball each other with.

Jim


Clave

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<...>

> I know what you mean. I typically see people with over 100,000 Usenet
> posts as complete d-bags and I can't take them seriously or reason with
> them as if they were an intelligent, thoughtful person.

That's your choice, peanut. Based on your contributions to other threads, I
don't think I'm missing out on a whole lot.

At least I'm paying enough attention to know the difference between the bank
bailout and the stimulus package.

Oh, and have you educated yourself on the welfare situation in red states
yet, or have you just repressed that whole thing?

Jim


FangBanger

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On Feb 27 2009 1:25 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:

> On Feb 27, 1:04 am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > i undestand that there are very distinct differences in the uses of words
> > like democratic and republic and other words that have varying meaning in
> > the context of how they are used
> >
> > I knew  a guy who was  iranian and he explained the difference in the
> > pronunciation of the word Iranian
> >
> > To pronounce it eye.rain.i.an is a tremendous insult but
> >
> > if you pronounce it ear.on ian it is the proper pronunciation
> >
> > i still havent seen anything that points out the distinction between the 2
> > terms used on the broadcast
> >

> I'm not sure why itmakes people mad either doggy, but I do think it
> started with that TV ad where RAT was highlighted. I remember people
> placing emphasis on the RAT just to make democrats mad. I thought
> that was just as silly as the people who get worked up over it.

yeah , maybe that is it , but Matthews was on the verge of swearing at the
guy , he cut him off and went to the other guest. he made a reference to
'childish" and told the Senator that "that crap wasnt going to fly " on
the show (paraphrasing )

I remember the ad and the minor flap during the election , but this
sounded way bigger than that . I just assumed that I was missing something
about the context , and was trying to learn something .


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It's the Republican passive-aggressive way to disrespect the
Democratic Party by intentionally mis-identifying it.

They play childish games. Adults run the country.

Alim Nassor

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On Feb 27, 12:07 am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com>
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For something that doesn't offend you, you sure spent a lot of time
running down people who use it.

Clave

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<...>

> For something that doesn't offend you, you sure spent a lot of
> time running down people who use it.

If by "running down people who use it" you mean "making fun of clowns", then
I guess you finally have a point, dull as it is.

I guess you've kind of missed the fact that I post here for my own
entertainment.

Jim
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Alim Nassor

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On Feb 27, 4:01 am, "Clave" <ClaviusNoSpamDam...@cablespeed.com>
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The last resort of the total fool. Saying you act stupid for your own
amusement.

FellKnight

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On Feb 27 2009 2:59 AM, intang...@yahoo.com wrote:

> It's the Republican passive-aggressive way to disrespect the
> Democratic Party by intentionally mis-identifying it.

Winner.

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brewmaster

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Feb 27, 2009, 12:50:02 PM2/27/09
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It is a political party made up of democrats, hence, democrat party. Now
stfu.

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chandler

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Feb 27, 2009, 5:59:06 PM2/27/09
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On Feb 26 2009 10:40 PM, FangBanger wrote:

> Chris matthews went after a senator tonight because he misused the term
> 'democrat" and "democratic"
>
> I think the guy said something like "democrat party" instead of democratic
> party.
>
> Admittedly I dont understand the difference and his reason for outrage.
>
> Matthews called it a cheap shot and childish
>
>
> Anyone wanna explain it to me

>
> .
> Palin/Jindal 2012... Oh no .. not that briar patch !!!

I try not to watch the news channels and can't explain Mathews, but
language in politics is a bit like position in poker. Carefully chosen
words have power. Particular words and phrases are often studied and
analyzed in focus groups very carefully by political interests. The
reasons opponents refer to the party as Democrat rather than Democratic
are obvious. Right to life or anti abortion. Climate change or global
warming. Withdrawal or retreat. Torture or enhanced interrogation. Ya
gotta spin it to win it.... bleh

Chandler

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FL Turbo

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Feb 27, 2009, 11:44:32 AM2/27/09
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If you pointed someone out and said "He's a democratic", the person
next to you would look at you with a quizzical expression.
If you pointed someone out and said "He's a Democrat", the person next
to you would know exactly what you meant.

If you pointed someone out and said "He's a republic", the person next
to you would look at you with a quizzical expression.
If you pointed someone out and said "He's a Republican", the person
next to you would know exactly what you meant.

Republicans belong to the Republican Party.
Democrats belong to the Democrat Party.

That's consistent.

What's the problem?

brewmaster

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On Feb 27 2009 8:44 AM, FL Turbo wrote:

> On Thu, 26 Feb 2009 23:25:05 -0800 (PST), Alim Nassor
> <alimn...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >On Feb 27, 1:04 am, "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >> i undestand that there are very distinct differences in the uses of words
> >> like democratic and republic and other words that have varying meaning in
> >> the context of how they are used
> >>
> >> I knew  a guy who was  iranian and he explained the difference in the
> >> pronunciation of the word Iranian
> >>
> >> To pronounce it eye.rain.i.an is a tremendous insult but
> >>
> >> if you pronounce it ear.on ian it is the proper pronunciation
> >>
> >> i still havent seen anything that points out the distinction between the 2
> >> terms used on the broadcast
> >>

> I'm not sure why itmakes people mad either doggy, but I do think it
> >started with that TV ad where RAT was highlighted. I remember people
> >placing emphasis on the RAT just to make democrats mad. I thought
> >that was just as silly as the people who get worked up over it.
>
>
> If you pointed someone out and said "He's a democratic", the person
> next to you would look at you with a quizzical expression.
> If you pointed someone out and said "He's a Democrat", the person next
> to you would know exactly what you meant.
>
> If you pointed someone out and said "He's a republic", the person next
> to you would look at you with a quizzical expression.
> If you pointed someone out and said "He's a Republican", the person
> next to you would know exactly what you meant.
>
> Republicans belong to the Republican Party.
> Democrats belong to the Democrat Party.
>
> That's consistent.
>
> What's the problem?

MOMMY the repig wingnuts called us the democrat party! Make them stop.
Waaaaaaaaa


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"Alim Nassor" <alimn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Being called stupid by you isn't the insult you think it is. Really.

Jim


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Feb 28, 2009, 12:18:07 AM2/28/09
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Mommy .. the Democrats dont do what we want , so we just quit talkin to em
, and we stick our tongues out at em every time they try to talk to us !!
When they want us to go somewhere with em .. we just sit down in the dirt
and throw a tantrum
Waaaaaaaaa


> --
> You really have no business even posting in the off-topic political
> threads
> on this newsgroup. You are SO blindly partisan. You are SO not
> objective.
> You are SO a moron.
> -Paul Popinjay 2/27/09

Palin/Jindal 2012... Oh no .. not that briar patch !!!

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