Rupert Murdoch tweets about "Jewish owned press"

[risky biz]

He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.

@rupertmurdoch
Rupert Murdoch
Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad

@rupertmurdoch
Rupert Murdoch
Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad

[Alim Nassor 1]

As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
Gaza since January 2012.

[risky biz]

In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
Forces � eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
ceasefire.

It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
news media.

[Travel A]

Rupert Murdock is half Jewish, btw.

[da pickle]

Here are over 5000 repeats of your copy and paste:

https://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4RNRN_enUS441US441&q=November+8th%2C+the+Israeli+Occupation+Forces+%E2%80%93+eight+tanks+and+four+bulldozers+undertook+an+incursion+into+Gaza+firing+in+all+direction

It has to be true.

[FL Turbo]

Hang onto your hat.
It's DejaVuAllOverAgain.

I don't know if you were around during the last kerfuffle when Israel
was attacked from Lebanon, and responded with attacks on Hezbollah
targets in Lebanon.

The Usual Suspects, AKA the Hamas/Hezbollah Terrorist Apologists were
all over it, explaining that the Israelis were Eeeevil people,
over-reacting and punishing those innocent Terrorist organizations.

Same song, next verse.

This time, it's those innocent Hamas Terrorists in Gaza who are being
unfairly attacked.
Wait for the Usual Suspects to call upon the US to urge that the
Israelis exercise restraint.

Evidently Hamas has decided that now that Obama has won re-election,
he has new "flexibility", and not only in dealing with Russia.
Unfortunately, the Israeli leadership has noted Obama's policy of
sucking up to our enemies and dissing our Allies.

Just a coinkydink that Hamas has elected to escalate their attacks
with Iranian supplied missiles right after the election?
I don't think so.

-----------------------------------------------------------
The only thing we can learn from history is that we can't learn
anything from history.

[FL Turbo]

Yeah, right.
Hamas is always ready for a ceasefire.
That is, of course, when they are getting the worst of it.
It's that Hudna thing.

Just who do you think you're fooling?
I was born in the morning, but it wasn't yesterday morning.

>It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
>news media.

Personally, I believe very little of what I read in American news
media.

I believe almost none of what I read from Hamas Terrorist Apologist
like you.
Maybe the Hamas Terrorists in Gaza should stop their rocket attacks
into Israel?

Naah, that too simplistic for you, eh?

[Alim Nassor]

Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?

[risky biz]

Are you saying this is a lie?

[Alim Nassor]

I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.

[risky biz]

Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do you so
quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your version?
From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over again
that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.

[Alim Nassor]

You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?

[risky biz]

Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz that
was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if you
want but you have to pay for it there:

Assassinating The Chance For Calm
by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM EST
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-chance-for-calm.html

"Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post,
and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
release of Gilad Shalit."

"Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike
against terror cells."

"In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the
shooting of rockets—but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces
in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that
Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions,
and on itself."

"The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
possibility of a long term ceasefire."

So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't want
to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that they
are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all over
the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.

[Alim Nassor]

> by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM ESThttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-ch...

>
> "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
> Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post,
> and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> release of Gilad Shalit."
>
> "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
> results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
> escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
> that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
> the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike
> against terror cells."
>
> "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the
> shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces
> in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that
> Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
> reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions,
> and on itself."
>
> "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> possibility of a long term ceasefire."
>
> So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
> have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't want
> to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that they
> are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all over
> the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.

Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
the meaning is vastly different

"Since
that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
strike
against terror cells.""

This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
retaliation to that. Not what you said.
.

[risky biz]

> > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment..

Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:

"In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
ceasefire."

That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's statement.
I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to introduce it as
if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last year
rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launced after Israeli rocket attacks
against Gaza with the exception of the most recent which was Palestinian
retaliation for a large scale Israeli military incursion which murdered a
13 year old boy who was playing football.

Here's the lionk again:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-...

Go ahead, Alim- just press your hands tightly over your ears if reality
doesn't fit you're preferred myth.

[Alim Nassor]

No risky, you misquoted your own cite. Nowhere in your cite does it
say what you say it does.

Heres what your cite says.

"Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
weeks ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
strike
against terror cells."

And here's what you said.

"In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launched after

Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
recent
when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
vehicle."

Completely different.

[risky biz]

Excerpt from Mr. Baskin's article cut and pasted:

"Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike

. ."

Here's the article again: http://tinyurl.com/au3pjh5

Here's what I said in the post directly above your last one. I added back
in the last part about what the Palestinians fired rockets in retaliation
for the last time which you were overly clever in deleting:

"Mr. Baskin said that in the last year rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS
launced after Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of
the most recent which was Palestinian retaliation for a large scale
Israeli military incursion which murdered a 13 year old boy who was
playing football."

There's no difference, Alim. The difference is between your reiteration of
the blatant LIE that Israel only strikes back. As stated by Mr. Baskin,
over the last year it has been the Palestinains who have struck back and
Israel which was the initiator of attacks each time. The only agreement
you'll find with this LIE is in the multitudiness representatives of the
LYING American news media.

[Alim Nassor]

> for the last time which you were overly clever in ...
>
> read more »

You misquoted the article and changed the meaning completely. What
the article says;

" Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence
two weeks ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
strike
against terror cells."

What YOU said;

"In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launched after
Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
recent
when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
vehicle. "

See the difference? The article refers to "a" pre-emptive strike.
In your misquote you make it seem like each rocket attack launched
from Gaza was in response to a separate attack. That's just not so.

[risky biz]

ESThttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-ch....

> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > > > > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel
Palestine
> > > > > > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem
> > Post,
> > > > > > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> > > > > > release of Gilad Shalit."
> >
> > > > > > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the
> > same
> > > > > > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid
full

> > > > > > escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains..

again:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-....

Stop playing the dope, Alim. "Pre-emptive strike" is a euphemism the
Israelis use to refer to rocket assassinations of Palestinian leaders and
anyone else who happens to be in the vicinity. Similar to America's
pre-emptive invasion of Iraq which didn't pre-empt anything, all it did
was kill someone Israel didn't like along with hundreds of thousands of
other Iraqis.

In any case, if Israel's attacks were truly pre-emptive then your imagined
non-retaliatory Palestinian rocket launch never could have occurred.
Utilize some simple logic at least in your effort to maintain the LIE.

Anyone who can read English understands what this means:

" Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
weeks ago,

the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike.
. "

AFTER.

[Alim Nassor]

I acknowledge the meaning is open to interpretation. But what is it
that makes your source pure as the driven snow and the Israeli account
nothing but lies?

[risky biz]

> > > > > > > > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie..

ESThttp://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-ch.....

> > > > > > > > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East..

again:http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/11/15/assassinating-the-.....

This is a non-meaningful question in that both sources are Israeli. The
Israeli source I used was for publication in Israel. The Israeli sources
you're using are intended for the Israeli lapdog American media.

[Alim Nassor]

On Nov 20, 12:58 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> This is a non-meaningful question in that both sources are Israeli. The
> Israeli source I used was for publication in Israel. The Israeli sources
> you're using are intended for the Israeli lapdog American media.

Of course. Yours is pure, mine is tainted. Of course there could be
no Israelis that harbor anti Israeli feelings. Just like there are no
Americans who wish ill on America.

If Israel is so horrible to the Arabs, why are there more than a dozen
mosques in Israel? Why are there Arab members of the Knesset?
When Israel was established states it triggered a deliberate surge in
state-legislated discrimination and abuse by Arab regimes and their
citizenry, making Jewish residence in Arab countries simply untenable.
As a result, the Jews were expelled.

here were nearly twice as many Jewish refugees as Palestinian
refugees, and the value of the Jewish property confiscated by Arab
governments during these expulsions is estimated to be at least 50
percent higher than the assets lost by Palestinian refugees. But the
plight of Jewish refugees was not widely publicized, largely because
they did not remain refugees for long. A large portion of Israeli
citizens are descendants of Jews displaced from Arab countries.

There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld.
That is also true of other Moslem countries. I live in Malaysia.
There are no active synagogues. Travel to Israel by Malaysian
citizens is restricted.

Many countries restrict entry if you have an Israeli stamp in your
passport.

Syria
Lebanon
Libya
Kuwait
Iran
Iraq (except the northern Kurdish region)
Sudan
Yemen

More countries have been reported as having difficulty entering with
an Israeli stamp.

Saudi Arabia (reportedly not strictly enforced due to pressure by the
U.S.)
Malaysia
Pakistan
Algeria
Indonesia
U.A.E.

[risky biz]

On Nov 20 2012 7:12 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:

> On Nov 20, 12:58 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> >
> > This is a non-meaningful question in that both sources are Israeli. The
> > Israeli source I used was for publication in Israel. The Israeli sources
> > you're using are intended for the Israeli lapdog American media.
>
> Of course. Yours is pure, mine is tainted. Of course there could be
> no Israelis that harbor anti Israeli feelings. Just like there are no
> Americans who wish ill on America.

So, the Jew who was largely responsible for the release of the Jewish
prisoner of war Gilad Shalit wishes ill on Israel? The same Jew who is a
columnist for the Jerusalem Post? Uhh . . . come on.

> If Israel is so horrible to the Arabs, why are there more than a dozen
> mosques in Israel? Why are there Arab members of the Knesset?
> When Israel was established states it triggered a deliberate surge in
> state-legislated discrimination and abuse by Arab regimes and their
> citizenry, making Jewish residence in Arab countries simply untenable.
> As a result, the Jews were expelled.

The key term above is "when Israel was established". You're also leaving
out the fact that Israel encouraged Jewish immigration to Israel even
going so far as to commit terrorist acts against Jews in some Arab
countries to cause an exodus to israel.

> here were nearly twice as many Jewish refugees as Palestinian
> refugees, and the value of the Jewish property confiscated by Arab
> governments during these expulsions is estimated to be at least 50
> percent higher than the assets lost by Palestinian refugees.

I'd like to know who the bookeeper was on that statement. The asset value
of all of Palestine was less than that of individual Jews from Arab
countries? Doesn't really fly, logically speaking.

> But the
> plight of Jewish refugees was not widely publicized, largely because
> they did not remain refugees for long. A large portion of Israeli
> citizens are descendants of Jews displaced from Arab countries.
>
> There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld.
> That is also true of other Moslem countries. I live in Malaysia.
> There are no active synagogues. Travel to Israel by Malaysian
> citizens is restricted.

This is nonsense, Alim. There are lots of synagogues in the Muslim world.
One of the very few countries in the Muslim world where they're banned is
Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by a dictatorship propped up by the United
States of America.

There are several Arab/Muslim countries which have actually allotted state
funds to the renovation of Synagogues.

But let's look at one country where you should have some expertise since
you say you live there, Malysia. From Wikipedia:

"A small Jewish community existed on the island of Penang. Jews first came
into contact with the Malay peninsula during the 11th century when Jewish
traders traded with the Kedah Sultanate and Langkasuka. Many Jews in
Malaysia came from Persia. After the communist revolution in China, more
Jews fled to Southeast Asia. However, the Jewish community declined, with
many emigrating to countries such as Australia. Due to not having enough
members to hold some Jewish rituals, the only synagogue in Penang,
established in 1932, was shut down in 1976. The last burial in Penang's
Jewish cemetery took pace in 1978.[40] By 1990s the community had
disappeared, and it is now thought that there are only two Jews who hold
Malaysian passports."[41]

"Christmas, Chinese New Year, and Deepavali have been declared national
holidays alongside Islamic holidays."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Malaysia#Other

Doesn't quite agree with your characterization.

> Many countries restrict entry if you have an Israeli stamp in your
> passport.
>
> Syria
> Lebanon
> Libya
> Kuwait
> Iran
> Iraq (except the northern Kurdish region)
> Sudan
> Yemen
>
> More countries have been reported as having difficulty entering with
> an Israeli stamp.
>
> Saudi Arabia (reportedly not strictly enforced due to pressure by the
> U.S.)
> Malaysia
> Pakistan
> Algeria
> Indonesia
> U.A.E.

Probably because they don't want Israelis and their agents wandering
around at will and murdering people, you think?

[Alim Nassor]

I said ACTIVE synagogues. There are many synagogues in the Arab
world, but almost none in actual use. You article from Wiki confirms
that. There is not a single active synagogue in Malaysia. Did you
not read it?

" Due to not having enough members to hold some Jewish rituals, the

only synagogue in Penang, established in 1932, was shutdown in 1976.

The last burial in Penang's Jewish cemetery took pace in 1978.[40] By
1990s the community had disappeared, and it is now thought that there
are only two Jews who hold Malaysian passports.

And then there was this line. ""Christmas, Chinese New Year, and

Deepavali have been declared national holidays alongside Islamic

holidays." What was that supposed to prove about Israel? Where are
the Jewish Holidays? There is religious freedom here. There are 4
Catholic churches in my city alone. But not a single synagogue
anywhere in the country.

You really think Israeli citizens wander the world on an Israeli
passport and murder people for fun? LOL.

[risky biz]

Your example of discrimination against Jews in Malaysia is that they
haven't declared a religious holiday for the two remaining Jews in
Malaysia? I wonder if you would be so open minded about religious holidays
in the USA? LOL. Get off it. The Wiki also makes it clear that the few
Jews in Malysia emigrated of their own free will. Don't get so embarrassed
about not checking your facts before posting.

> You really think Israeli citizens wander the world on an Israeli
> passport and murder people for fun? LOL.

No, they usually do that with Canadian and Norwegian passports but I would
guess that most Arab and Muslim countries err on the side of caution.

And, gosh- I don't know if they assassinate Arabs/Muslims for fun. I
wouldn't enjoy doing something like murdering people.

[FL Turbo]

Islamist bigotry knows no bounds.
The really sad part is how many Western intellectuals are so willing
to go along with the rationalizations and justifications that Islamist
propound.

It's kinda like the sarcastic definition of a Liberal as one who is
too open minded to ever argue for his own side.

Kinda scary, ain't it?

[Alim Nassor]

hey, Risky, who posted about the other religions holidays in an
attempt to prove.. what? You did. What do you think caused the Jews
to emigrate "of their own free will" My facts were just fine.

Your "facts", trying to rebut my fact that there are no synagogues in
Malaysia with a wiki cite that said plainly that in fact there were
none and no Jews either just shows that you either didn't read your
own cite, or you didn't understand it. I live here. I know the
history. You're trying to counter by being a Wiki expert.

[Alim Nassor]

I'm still laughing about you posting this

"A small Jewish community existed on the island of Penang. Jews first
came into contact with the Malay peninsula during the 11th century
when Jewish traders traded with the Kedah Sultanate and Langkasuka.
Many Jews in Malaysia came from Persia. After the communist revolution
in China, more Jews fled to Southeast Asia. However, the Jewish
community declined, with many emigrating to countries such as
Australia. Due to not having enough members to hold some Jewish
rituals, the only synagogue in Penang, established in 1932, was shut
down in 1976. The last burial in Penang's Jewish cemetery took pace in
1978.[40] By 1990s the community had disappeared, and it is now
thought that there are only two Jews who hold Malaysian passports.
[41]"

as something you thought would rebut my factual statement that there
are no synagogues in Malaysia.

And that you posted this

"Christmas, Chinese New Year, and Deepavali have been declared
national
holidays alongside Islamic holidays."

in an attempt to show that there is no discrimination against Jews in
Malaysia.

[risky biz]

> > > > > There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld..

I'm no expert but at least I didn't produce that fact-free post that you
did. Don't get too embarrassed.

[risky biz]

> > > > > There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld..

Oh, my goodness, Alim. You're OP implied that the Jews in Malaysia were
being discriminated against because there are no synagogues in Malaysia.
Turns out there are no synagogues in Malaysia because there are almost no
Jews in Malaysia.

And you're still trying to pretend that was an intelligent post?

Sheesh.

[Alim Nassor]

Are you trying to claim that Jews, who had been in Malaysia since the
11th century, and there were many who fled communism, suddenly decided
to leave Malaysia, just because? They were ran out by oppression. A
Malaysian citizen cannot even travel to Israel, without special
permission from the Ministry of State. You don't have a clue what
you are talking about. There are no synagogues in Malaysia because
the Jews are not welcome here.

And I'm still puzzling over you listing some holidays that are
celebrated in Malaysia, as some kind of point about Jews. None of
those holidays are Jewish

[Alim Nassor]

Ok, Risky, I'm gonna have to apologize to you. I didn't understand
the point you were trying to make. I got it now. But you're still
wrong. Islam is the state religion of Malaysia. Judaism is presently
absent in Malaysia after having been part of the area for 1000 years.
The emigration of the Jews corresponds roughly to the period of the
establishment of israel and the rabid anti Israeli sentiment that
swept the Arab world.

I mentioned earlier that other religions have religious freedom here.
They do, to a point. Christian missionaries are still arrested to
this day for proselytizing. Hindu and Buddhist temples have been
destroyed.

In 1984, the New York Philharmonic cancelled a visit because the
Malaysian information minister demanded that a composition by Ernest
Bloch, an American Jewish composer who died in 1959, be eliminated
from their program. In 1992, an Israeli football player with the
Liverpool team was refused permission to play in Malaysia; the team
cancelled the visit. The government banned Schindler’s List, calling
it anti-German and pro-Jewish propaganda. The same government later
decided it could be shown if seven scenes were cut. Steven Spielberg
refused, so the government removed all his films from Malaysia’s
screens.

In 2003, the prime minister’s political party gave delegates to the
United Malays National Organization copies of Henry Ford’s anti-
Semitic book from the 1920s, The International Jew, a favourite of
Hitler, translated into Bahasa Malay.

For half a century, Israel has tried to establish diplomatic
relations, but Kuala Lumpur has always replied that Muslim opinion
makes that politically impossible. Instead, Malaysia has joined the
Arab campaign to defame Israel. Trade with Israel is officially banned
— but goes on nevertheless, through covert arrangements with third
countries. (Sales of products from Israel’s Intel computer chip
factory to Malaysia amount to many millions of dollars a year.
Malaysian policy softens temporarily when confronted with certain
products at the right price.)

[risky biz]

> > > > > > > That is also true of other Moslem countries. I live in Malaysia..

> > > > > only synagogue in Penang, established in 1932, was shutdown in 1976..

It's strange that you seem to know all about this unreferenced
"oppression" but there is no mention of it at all in this Wikipedia
article:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Malaysia#Other
and no one has disputed the accuracy of it, which anyone could do and the
dispute would be referenced at the very beginning of the article. That's
how Wikipedia works. If it was inaccurate Jewish organizations would be
all over it in two seconds flat but thay aren't.

Just admit that your claim that there aren't any synagogues in Malaysia
because of discrimination against Jews was something you made up off the
top of your head. Get it over with.

> A
> Malaysian citizen cannot even travel to Israel, without special
> permission from the Ministry of State. You don't have a clue what
> you are talking about. There are no synagogues in Malaysia because
> the Jews are not welcome here.
>
> And I'm still puzzling over you listing some holidays that are
> celebrated in Malaysia, as some kind of point about Jews. None of
> those holidays are Jewish

I asked you before, Alim- why should Malaysia declare a national religious
holiday for Jews when there are apparently only two Jews in Malaysia? Do
you think there should be a national religious holiday in the US for any
religion with at least two adherents? You never answered that question but
just keep comiing back with the same old anti-Arab/Muslim saw that has
already been refuted.

The fact that this supposedly hyper-discriminatory Muslim government you
claim there is in Malaysia has declared Christmas a national holiday is a
fact that's slapping you in the face.

[risky biz]

> > > being discriminated against because there are no synagogues in Malaysia..

> > > Turns out there are no synagogues in Malaysia because there are almost no
> > > Jews in Malaysia.
> >
> > > And you're still trying to pretend that was an intelligent post?
> >
> > > Sheesh.
> >
> > Are you trying to claim that Jews, who had been in Malaysia since the
> > 11th century, and there were many who fled communism, suddenly decided
> > to leave Malaysia, just because?  They were ran out by oppression.  A
> > Malaysian citizen cannot even travel to Israel, without special
> > permission from the Ministry of State.   You don't have a clue what
> > you are talking about.  There are no synagogues in Malaysia because
> > the Jews are not welcome here.
> >
> > And I'm still puzzling over you listing some holidays that are
> > celebrated in Malaysia, as some kind of point about Jews.  None of
> > those holidays are Jewish
>
> Ok, Risky, I'm gonna have to apologize to you. I didn't understand
> the point you were trying to make. I got it now. But you're still
> wrong. Islam is the state religion of Malaysia. Judaism is presently
> absent in Malaysia after having been part of the area for 1000 years.
> The emigration of the Jews corresponds roughly to the period of the
> establishment of israel and the rabid anti Israeli sentiment that
> swept the Arab world.

You have presented no proof or evidence to back the claim in that last
sentence. Why does the Wikipedia article not even mention it when
discussing religious minorities? You made that up.

None of the below has anything at all to do with your original post. You
should put this in a new thread if you want to discuss it.

[Alim Nassor]

On Nov 21, 3:33 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>
> It's strange that you seem to know all about this unreferenced
> "oppression" but there is no mention of it at all in this Wikipedia
> article:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_in_Malaysia#Other
> and no one has disputed the accuracy of it, which anyone could do and the
> dispute would be referenced at the very beginning of the article. That's
> how Wikipedia works. If it was inaccurate Jewish organizations would be
> all over it in two seconds flat but thay aren't.

I trimmed this down because it was getting too big. If you lived
here, or knew anything about Malaysia, you would know that what i said
was fact. According to you, I guess if it isn't in Wiki, it didn't
happen. Wiki is not infallible.

Malaysia is a Muslim country. By law, Malays must be Muslim,
regardless of their ethnic heritage; otherwise, legally, they are not
Malay. Other ethnicity's may be be Malaysian citizens but they cannot
be Malays. As required by Malaysian law and defined in the
Constitution of Malaysia, a Malay would surrender his ethnic status if
he were not Muslim. Sharia courts rule in parallel with the civil
courts.

There is an official policy of Malay superiority that pervades every
aspect of a non Malays life in Malaysia. It's called Ketuanan Melayu
There are quotas set aside for malays and certain segments of native
population. Article 153 of the constitution reserves the right of the
King to ensure that places in the civil service and institutions of
higher learning are reserved for the Malays and the natives of Sabah
and Sarawak. The King is also given the power to reserve a quota for
the Malays and the natives of Sabah and Sarawak in the allocation of
scholarships, and permits or licences required for business and trade.

What I'm telling you is what I have learned from living here for 2
solid years and off and on for most of a third year. I discuss this
with my friends in Malaysia, both Muslim, and non muslim.

My Chinese and Indian friends here complain bitterly about this. If
they want a business permit, they pay much higher fees than a Malay
does. There is a local joke that goes something like this The
Chinese make it in Malaysia because they have the money, the Indians
make it in Malaysia because the have the education. The Malays make
it in Malaysia because they have the government.

There is a campaign called 1 Malaysia trying to convince everyone they
are one big happy family, but everyone acknowledges it's bullshit.

Malaysia is becoming more and more rabidly more radical in the
treatment of non muslims. I read an article in the paper a while back
about a seminar that was "brainwashing young Muslims into hating
everything to do with Christianity. If they are doing this, imagine
what they feel towards the Jews. Even my moderate mulim friends are
virulently anti semitic.

What I said about Malaysians not being able to travel to Israel with
special permission from the Department of State was a fact. There is
a very powerful anti Israel sentiment in this country which accounts
for the fact there are no Jews in Malaysia. And that leads to the
fact there are no synagogues.

>
> Just admit that your claim that there aren't any synagogues in Malaysia
> because of discrimination against Jews was something you made up off the
> top of your head. Get it over with.

No, you're wrong. Sorry.

>
> The fact that this supposedly hyper-discriminatory Muslim government you
> claim there is in Malaysia has declared Christmas a national holiday is a
> fact that's slapping you in the face.

Some things are window dressing.

[risky biz]

In your definition. Anti-Israel is not anti-semitic but you can bet that
Israel's nazi behavior is a ready made conveyor belt to anti-semitism for
someone who wants to encourage it.

> What I said about Malaysians not being able to travel to Israel with
> special permission from the Department of State was a fact. There is
> a very powerful anti Israel sentiment in this country which accounts
> for the fact there are no Jews in Malaysia. And that leads to the
> fact there are no synagogues.

You keep repeating this falsehood, Alim, which is what you originally said
and is refuted by the history of Malysia. There were very few Jews in
Malaysia to start with, many of that few were there only temporarily while
fleeing communism in China until their ultimate destination of Australia
and elsewhere, and almost all the few remaining have left. This all
happened prior to any kind of discrimination against travel to Israel,
etc., and that is not proof of discrimination against Jews, per se, it is
only proof of discrimination against Jewish nazism.

> > Just admit that your claim that there aren't any synagogues in Malaysia
> > because of discrimination against Jews was something you made up off the
> > top of your head. Get it over with.
>
> No, you're wrong. Sorry.
>
> >
> > The fact that this supposedly hyper-discriminatory Muslim government you
> > claim there is in Malaysia has declared Christmas a national holiday is a
> > fact that's slapping you in the face.
>
> Some things are window dressing.

Window dressing for what? The Christian Chinese and Indians? How many
Christians are there in Malaysia? I'm betting that there is no way in hell
that a religious minority in America as small as the Christians in
Malaysia would have a national religious holiday so explain why America is
so hyper-prejudiced rather than Malaysia.

Malaysian Muslims are anti-Israel? No shit. Israel is Jewish nazism. It's
too bad you're upset that others don't cotton to it as much as you.

End of this thread, for me. The messages have exceeded the scrolling
capability of recgroups because you are just repeating falsehoods.

Another falsehood you stated was that there are no synagogues in
Arab/Muslin countries. This is a blatant falsehood. There are many. You
then came back with, "Oh, they aren't active." Well, whether they are or
not doesn't exonerate the first falsehood.

The fact of the matter is you're getting your talking points from some
anti-muslim, anti-Arab website and you're not too concerned over the fact
that they don't bother to deal with actual facts, they just produce a
narrative that fits what it's readership wants to hear.

[Alim Nassor]

On Nov 25, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> On Nov 21 2012 3:17 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:
>
> > No, you're wrong.   Sorry.
>
> > > The fact that this supposedly hyper-discriminatory Muslim government you
> > > claim there is in Malaysia has declared Christmas a national holiday is a
> > > fact that's slapping you in the face.
>
> > Some things are window dressing.
>
> Window dressing for what? The Christian Chinese and Indians? How many
> Christians are there in Malaysia? I'm betting that there is no way in hell
> that a religious minority in America as small as the Christians in
> Malaysia would have a national religious holiday so explain why America is
> so hyper-prejudiced rather than Malaysia.

'
Here you go again with your ignorance. "A religious minority as small
as Christians in Malaysia" Bahahahah. There are millions of
Christians in Malaysia. There are 4 Catholic Churches and countless
Baptists, Methodist and other denominations just in the city I live
in. Almost 10% of the population is Christian, almost 20%
Buddhist, almost 8% are Hindu. These populations have been in
Malaysia for centuries The holidays have long been established. But
the discriminatory practices against the religions are well documented
fact.

Did you know Christmas is also a holiday in Syria, Jordan and Egypt?
Like I said, window dressing.

i

>
> Malaysian Muslims are anti-Israel? No shit. Israel is Jewish nazism. It's
> too bad you're upset that others don't cotton to it as much as you.

No, they are anti jew.

>
> End of this thread, for me. The messages have exceeded the scrolling
> capability of recgroups because you are just repeating falsehoods.
>
> Another falsehood you stated was that there are no synagogues in
> Arab/Muslin countries. This is a blatant falsehood. There are many. You
> then came back with, "Oh, they aren't active." Well, whether they are or
> not doesn't exonerate the first falsehood.

Oh bullshit. When I said there were no synagogues only an imbecile
would think I was talking about ancient ruins or decades old abandoned
buildings.

>
> The fact of the matter is you're getting your talking points from some
> anti-muslim, anti-Arab website and you're not too concerned over the fact
> that they don't bother to deal with actual facts, they just produce a
> narrative that fits what it's readership wants to hear.

No, the FACT of the matter is that I live here, I see it, you don't
have a fucking clue. As usual, just like your idiotic" the PLO wasn't
at Camp David bullshit"