GCA " Daniel Negreanu emails Russ G"
Russ Georgiev
From: Newgca (new...@aol.com)
Subject: GCA " Daniel Negreanu emails Russ G"
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Date: 2003-09-06 21:42:49 PST
From: "daniel negreanu"kidp...@hotmail.com
To: <prot...@mediaone.net>
Sent: Monday,June 11,2001 6:48 PM
Subject: Daniel's wish
First off Russ, I hope this stays off the record. I don't need
anybody knowing about this e-mail if you know what I mean. I KNOW also
that Doyle is a big fat cheat, I can't stand him one bit. When you
guys started this whole thing I was really excited about the idea. I
figured you guys were going to expose Doyle for what he is. You see,
I'm in no position to.
You guys just aren't coming up with enough concrete evidence though,
and recently I think you guys went the wrong way. Your focus should be
what you KNOW for sure is true, anything at the Bellagio is difficult
to prove. Also, why would you use Ted Forrest's name? Ted is no cheat,
this I know for sure. Where did you get that info?
If you guys are going to talk about the Bellagio game, eventually you
have to be more specific. Also, I hope you guys keep up with the
honest player report as well. I'm very concerned with what this whole
thing is doing to honest people's reputation.
If I ever so much as hear that Jennifer Harmon is implicated in any
of this you will have a LIFETIME PROBLEM WITH ME. At present I have no
beef with you, and I'd like things to stay that way. Jennifer Harmon
has never cheated a day in her life, and I want that reputation
protected.
Cool?
Stick with Doyle and Chip. Geez, use Men the Master too he literally
is the biggest cheat in tournament poker today, no question. You have
no idea what this shit has done to Jennifer. She was crying when she
heard all this shit because she was worried her name was going to be
mentioned in something. I told her not to worry.
This woman is my best friend in the whole world, and if her
reputation is important to her, it's just as important to me. This I'm
sure you will understand.
So, please continue with telling rgp who you know to be honest, I
hope that Jennifer's name is at the top of that list. By the way, she
has no idea I'm sending you this e-mail, and I hope it stays that eay.
This is a small favor I'm asking for, I'd like to help you guys in
any way I can, but it HAS to be strictly confidential.
Sincelerely,
Daniel(never cheated a day in his life) Negreanu
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Above is the E MAIL written by Daniel Negreanu to me. I have printed
it verbatim with the mistakes in spelling and the capitalization as
Daniel wrote it. I will be happy to have it scanned and have some one
post it on a site for me. I have other e mails from Daniel. Many are
exciting, as I say. At this time I will print this one. People that
care to wage war with me better come prepared. I am at wars with the
cheats. I had already mentioned Jennifer Harmons name on the tape we
made with Mike Caro. Let me put it in a different context, Jennifer
Harmons name was brought up on a list that Mike Caro produced. We
answered questions about the people on this list. We stated one thing
about Jennifer Harmon, and that is "she knows more than she is saying"
The tape was already out when Daniel sent me this e mail. GCA never
stated Jennifer Harmon "cheated". GCA stated "she knew more than she
was willing to say". We called her an "innocent pawn". But a player
none the less.
Ted Forrest, we had already accused of being a cheat. We are wondering
, how Daniel Negreanu, who has only been around for a very short time
would know more than we do when we have been in "this world of poker
cheating" for longer than he has been alive. Ted Forrest is a CHEAT.
Anonymous sources are really no good for me. I get many e mails
everyday. Whenever I am on a computer, people talk to me. I am at war
with "cheating" and these people. I am not at war with RGP or the
people that chat on this group. This is the only way to have this
issue dealt with that I know.
Many people have made many mistakes already. People in the "business"
who attack me, better know I come prepared. If you are afraid of
talking to me or you have something to hide, don't talk to me. All I'm
am out to do is expose the truth in high stakes professional poker and
tournaments. Many people have corresponded with me. As long as they
don't attack me, I keep things confidential. For every action there is
a reaction.
If you want to expose the cheating and corruption in the World of
Poker, I welcome your help. If you care to attack me and are in the
business, be prepared to answer questions. For those in the business
know who I AM. They also know I KNOW THE QUESTIONS they can't answer.
I have already told people John Martino and I have been lucky to
survive asassination attempts. I had my real address on the tape which
was sent to Barry Shulman, when Mike Caro zoomed in on my "drivers
license". Razzo posted my other address and phone number on the site.
And you people state I am playing the game without any rules. What
have these people done first? Is it OK for them to do it.
Russ G new...@aol.com John M
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Rutiger
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On Aug 19 2004 10:13PM, Rutiger wrote:
> umm...(looks at calendar, still isn't April 1st)...
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> ...riiiiiiiiiight....
DaVoice
"Rutiger" <anon...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> umm...(looks at calendar, still isn't April 1st)...
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> ..riiiiiiiiiight....
It is, in fact, an email that Daniel sent to Russ. For your edification
here's a google link, and I'll also post a tiny url to the same link (for
those of you who trust that I wouldn't send you to the G.W.Bush website )
or
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
DaVoice
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MikeCraig
I assume nobody takes this stuff seriously, but I see so many posts from
GCA that someone might actually take them seriously. DON'T.
I'm writing a book about high-stakes poker and I've interviewed many of
the people accused by this group/individual (I'm pleased to say I don't
know the origins of these threads or the backgrounds of the people sending
them). I interviewed both Jennifer Harman and Daniel Negreanu and I can
tell you without a doubt that HE DID NOT SEND THAT E-MAIL. It is true that
he and Jennifer are good friends, and he has publicly defended her against
whatever attacks people have made over the Internet. But he KNOWS how to
spell her last name. H-A-R-M-A-N. Not H-A-R-M-O-N. Someone pretending to
be Daniel who tried to fool people would take advantage of people knowing
that they are friends.
Pretty clumsy, though, whoever it was. It would appear, however, that
whoever faked that e-mail is themselves NOT a poker cheat. A crook that
careless would fumble the ink or the cards up his sleeve or drop his
spy-sunglasses on top of the deck or communicate with "confederates" by
whispering his hole cards. That's how big a goof the faker committed.
Just wanted to put minds at ease. And, by the way, both Jennifer Harman
and Daniel Negreanu are really nice people, and superskilled at what they
do. At least I thought so.
Michael Craig
DaVoice
"MikeCraig" <anon...@aol.com> wrote
> I assume nobody takes this stuff seriously, but I see so many posts from
> GCA that someone might actually take them seriously. DON'T.
Daniel wrote the damn email. ASK HIM. I did.
> I'm writing a book about high-stakes poker and I've interviewed many of
> the people accused by this group/individual (I'm pleased to say I don't
> know the origins of these threads or the backgrounds of the people sending
> them). I interviewed both Jennifer Harman and Daniel Negreanu and I can
> tell you without a doubt that HE DID NOT SEND THAT E-MAIL.
You must not have asked that question. I know Daniel, he knows me, and he
told me his reasons for writing the email to Russ. You really should do
some "fact checking" before you come on R.G.P. and argue about posts that
were made 2 and 3 years ago to which all of the participants (in this case
Daniel and Russ) have openly discussed this email. It's not an "alleged"
email, Daniel sent it. Daniel and Mellisa also talked about Men and some
untoward things that they had witnessed. I know and like Men, and he and
Daniel are cool now.
>It is true that
> he and Jennifer are good friends, and he has publicly defended her against
> whatever attacks people have made over the Internet. But he KNOWS how to
> spell her last name. H-A-R-M-A-N. Not H-A-R-M-O-N.
Actually at the time of the email it was spelled T-R-A-N-I-E-L-L-O, but had
you done research you claim to have done, you'd know that TOO.
>Someone pretending to
> be Daniel who tried to fool people would take advantage of people knowing
> that they are friends.
> Pretty clumsy, though, whoever it was. It would appear, however, that
> whoever faked that e-mail is themselves NOT a poker cheat. A crook that
> careless would fumble the ink or the cards up his sleeve or drop his
> spy-sunglasses on top of the deck or communicate with "confederates" by
> whispering his hole cards. That's how big a goof the faker committed.
See my comments above, you are now the #1 buffoon on RGP.
> Just wanted to put minds at ease. And, by the way, both Jennifer Harman
> and Daniel Negreanu are really nice people, and superskilled at what they
> do. At least I thought so.
I don't know Jennifer very well, but I do know Daniel and have met Jennifer
on more than one occasion, including the Series, PartyPoker Million II, and
Bellagio among other places. They are both better than very nice people.
They are great people, and they are EXTREMELY good at what they do.
> Michael Craig
Remind me not to buy your book if you can't even get simple stuff right.
Rick "DaVoice" Charles
Peg Smith
wrote:
>I interviewed both Jennifer Harman and Daniel Negreanu and I can
>tell you without a doubt that HE DID NOT SEND THAT E-MAIL.
You're full of shit. Daniel admitted a long time ago that he did
indeed send that email.
Peg
James L. Hankins
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>I interviewed both Jennifer Harman and Daniel Negreanu and I can
> tell you without a doubt that HE DID NOT SEND THAT E-MAIL.
Uh, that's not what Daniel said here after Russ posted it. You better
re-check your facts.
Newgca
>re-check your facts.
Want to bet?
Newgca
>tell you without a doubt that HE DID NOT SEND THAT E-MAIL.
From: Daniel Negreanu (kidp...@hotmail.com)
Subject: My e-mail to GCA concerning Doyle
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Date: 2002-01-18 03:44:11 PST
Ok, well I never wanted to get into this, but it's become obvious to
me that it is an issue that should be addressed. I DID send an e-mail
to GCA when they first came out on the rgp scene. I was curious. I
was very interested to find out what they KNEW, or what they could
PROVE concerning their allegations. They provided me with absolutely
nothing. They provided me with a bunch of stories I'd already heard
before.
I was hoping to get some 'inside information' from them. Hopefully
something concrete and solid. In order to get this type of
information, I thought it might be a good idea to try to earn their
trust.
So, I told them exactly what they wanted to hear- period. That
e-mail was no secret to anybody I knew. I told many people what my
intentions were at the time. Only recently, since the GCA posts about
the e-mail, have I explained my intentions to Doyle. I haven't
addressed Russ' posts about this, because I don't feel there is much
to gain by discussing things with him.
The GCA has REPEATEDLY mixed fact with fiction. Yes, I'm sure some
of the things they've said about the past are factual, but when they
speak of current events, it's beyond laughable. They know shit about
the Bellagio, they know shit about the current state of tournament
poker, and they know shit about the current status of the Commerce top
section.
I have stated publicly that Men Nguyen is a tournament cheat. I'm
comfortable saying that, because I KNOW that to be fact. As for
Doyle? I've heard rumours. Mostly crap from the GCA. There has
never been one shred of evidence attaching Doyle to any unethical
behaviour at a poker table.
I have absolutely no incentive to protect Doyle's image or
reputation. We aren't exactly 'friends', nor are we enemies. I feel
compelled to do what's right, because Doyle has suffered far too much
negative attention at the hands of the GCA that is somewhat
irrepairable.
Originally, when I heard about what was to come of the GCA's
'cleaning up of poker', I was truly excited. Then I found out who
they actually were, and their motives behind doing what they are
doing. That excitement quickly turned to disgust.
There are grains of truth to 'some' of their posts, but they fill in
the gaps with assumptions, and creative lies. Russ, is a truly
twisted character...
My apologies to Doyle in advance, as I'm sure Russ will likely post
my e-mail to rgp. NOTHING in that e-mail reflects my true opinion of
Doyle. If I felt that Doyle was a dishonest poker player in any way,
I would have no problem saying so publicly.
I put my neck out on the line exposing Men for the cheat that he is.
I'm not 'afraid' of doing what it takes to try to help get poker
cleaned up. However, by accusing Doyle Brunson, Russ is CLEARLY
barking up the wrong tree.
Daniel Negreanu
kidp...@hotmail.com
Newgca
>re-check your facts.
I misread this post. Sorry about that.
MikeCraig
> "MikeCraig" <anon...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > I assume nobody takes this stuff seriously, but I see so many posts from
> > GCA that someone might actually take them seriously. DON'T.
>
> Daniel wrote the damn email. ASK HIM. I did.
When I read the posted e-mail, it seemed so inconsistent which what I
understood and knew about Doyle Brunson, Daniel Negreanu, and Jennifer
Harman (yes, I know her married last name, too) that I thought posting it
was designed to mislead people into believing Doyle Brunson was a cheat,
because Daniel Negreanu (who has played with him) thinks so. It turns out
I was exactly right!
Newgca reposted Daniel's "admission" that he sent the e-mail. I can
understand why whoever posted Daniel's e-mail didn't also post the
"admission". Daniel made it clear he just said what Russ wanted to hear,
that Daniel DID NOT believe Doyle was a cheat, and that Russ was way off
base. From Daniel's e-mail:
*"The GCA has REPEATEDLY mixed fact with fiction."
*"when they speak of current events, it's beyond laughable. They know
shit about the Bellagio"
*"As for Doyle? I've heard rumours. Mostly crap from the GCA. There has
never been one shred of evidence attaching Doyle to any unethical
behaviour at a poker table."
*"Doyle has suffered far too much negative attention at the hands of the
GCA that is somewhat irrepairable."
*"NOTHING in that e-mail reflects my true opinion of Doyle."
*"by accusing Doyle Brunson, Russ is CLEARLY barking up the wrong tree."
I was wrong about Daniel not writing the original e-mail but I don't
apologize for that. Whoever posted that e-mail as evidence that Doyle
Brunson is a cheat was trying to mislead people, as Daniel Negreanu's
"admission" makes clear. I wouldn't have claimed it was faked if I saw
Daniel's post, not just because he said he sent the e-mail, but because it
was clear that he did not think Doyle was a cheat, or that there was
cheating at the Bellagio, or that the people making these assertions were
on to anything.
I share the interest of nearly everybody in poker in learning if there is
any credible information that poker games are not on the square. But if
there is such information, it certainly isn't going to be uncovered by
tactics like this.
I don't know you, Rick, or Russ or GCA or Newgca or GCB or whether there
are any alliances between any of those people or entities. I saw the post
in which Daniel Negreanu accused Doyle Brunson of being a cheat, which
seemed completely inconsistent with my research. I still can't figure how
Daniel could repeatedly misspell Jennifer's name, but otherwise I was
right: Daniel doesn't think Doyle is a cheat and he thinks people making
such accusations are wrong.
I apologize for not having seen Daniel's original RGP post. I admit that I
didn't check the entire history of Daniel Negreanu, GCA, and Russ Gorgiev
on RGP before I wrote my post. It didn't dawn on me that Daniel could have
written it, yet meant exactly the opposite, which the RGP post proves is
the case. But I don't understand why whoever posted the e-mail didn't
repost Daniel's explanation. It would have saved us all a lot of trouble
and cleared things up at the outset.
Psuedo Nym
<snip>
> I apologize for not having seen Daniel's original RGP post. I admit that I
> didn't check the entire history of Daniel Negreanu, GCA, and Russ Gorgiev
> on RGP before I wrote my post. It didn't dawn on me that Daniel could have
> written it, yet meant exactly the opposite, which the RGP post proves is
> the case. But I don't understand why whoever posted the e-mail didn't
> repost Daniel's explanation. It would have saved us all a lot of trouble
> and cleared things up at the outset.
>
> Michael Craig
I hope you'll understand now when there are many posters here who doubt
Daniel's credibility. It's hard to tell which emails in which he might be
fibbing don't you think? Personally I don't give credence to anything I
read in email or on usenet since I'm wearing a tinfoil hat.
I think we've all learned a lesson here. If you're going to write a book
you should do all your homework and be cautious when making statements
like:
"I interviewed both Jennifer Harman and Daniel Negreanu and I can
tell you without a doubt that HE DID NOT SEND THAT E-MAIL."
Good luck.
jd00123
> "MikeCraig" <anon...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > I assume nobody takes this stuff seriously, but I see so many posts from
> > GCA that someone might actually take them seriously. DON'T.
>
> Daniel wrote the damn email. ASK HIM. I did.
So Rick, do you have an opinion on the email Danny N. sent to Russ and if
so would you are to voice it? Do you think DN was trying to use some
subterfuge or physcology on Russ or do you think he just got caught with
his pants down and backpedaled his way out? I recall DN and DB having some
words on RGP long before this email came to light.
jd00123
> "MikeCraig" <anon...@aol.com> wrote
>
> > I assume nobody takes this stuff seriously, but I see so many posts from
> > GCA that someone might actually take them seriously. DON'T.
>
> Daniel wrote the damn email. ASK HIM. I did.
So Rick, do you have an opinion on the email Danny N. sent to Russ and if
so would you are to voice it? Do you think DN was trying to use some
subterfuge or physcology on Russ or do you think he just got caught with
his pants down and backpedaled his way out? I recall DN and DB having some
words on RGP long before this email came to light.
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James L. Hankins
"jd00123" <anon...@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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> So Rick, do you have an opinion on the email Danny N. sent to Russ and if
> so would you are to voice it? Do you think DN was trying to use some
> subterfuge or physcology on Russ or do you think he just got caught with
> his pants down and backpedaled his way out? I recall DN and DB having some
> words on RGP long before this email came to light.
It's ancient news. Everyone and their mother had an opinion on it when it
happened. Look in the archives.