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Annie Duke - World Class BITCH!

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Dan Goldschlag

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Dec 11, 2003, 9:30:27 AM12/11/03
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Clonie's constant celebrating WAS annoying, but Annie Duke proved last
night that she is a WORLD CLASS BITCH! Can't even shake a players
hand? Dismissing Clonie as if she was beneath her? and the comment
along the lines of "Who wouldn't have expected THOSE TWO in the end,"
as if it was a joke that they even be permitted to play with great
players such as she..

Your brother coached you, but you didn't learn class. Howard has it
in spades. Maybe he should start over with some new lessons?

Oh, and message to Kathy Liebert: Quit bitching about your loss. You
played like total shit.

To summize:
Jennifer Harmon, Moreen Feduniak, and Evelyn NG (who played the best
poker on this night of the 6) acted with a combination of class and
skill. Clonie was celebrating a bit too much (but I suppose she has
that right, because her constant suckouts were quite amazing).
Liebert was Liebert...whining and bitching and overrated. Duke was
just a Bitch.

Dan Goldschlag

ITALY1959

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Dec 11, 2003, 9:33:23 AM12/11/03
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YEAH!!! AND ANNIE SHOULD WASH HER HAIR!!!!! ( AS SHOULD PEG SMITH!!!)

Larry W. (Wayno) Phillips

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Dec 11, 2003, 12:32:45 PM12/11/03
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On 11 Dec 2003 (Dan Goldschlag) wrote:

>Clonie's constant celebrating WAS annoying, but Annie Duke proved last
>night that she is a WORLD CLASS BITCH! Can't even shake a players
>hand? Dismissing Clonie as if she was beneath her? and the comment
>along the lines of "Who wouldn't have expected THOSE TWO in the end,"
>as if it was a joke that they even be permitted to play with great
>players such as she..
>
>Your brother coached you, but you didn't learn class. Howard has it
>in spades.

Hey, Dan-- did somebody say something that sounded like Tell us
about your day? STFU. I thought Annie's big over the top against
Kathy L's 77 was nicely done. Also, her table image seemed
commanding.

Signed,
A Viewer


Llib Notwal

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Dec 11, 2003, 7:31:18 AM12/11/03
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You the kind of guy who gets offended when you win a pot and everyone at
the table doesn't post NH!! NICE HAND!! GOOD ONE!!!

Give me a break. Thats almost as lame as randomly emphasizing "THOSE TWO"
to make a harmless statement about the fact the underdogs made it to the
finals look like it was a snotty elitest thing.

And finally, did you see the post show? Where possibly they all got
together and went out for drinks? And annie bought everyone a round as
congrats? Did she? Who knows...all you know is the snippet you saw on TV.

Making harsh judgements based on tiny bits of information strikes me as a
larger lack of class.

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Tomas

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Dec 11, 2003, 12:42:20 PM12/11/03
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Annie's walking away was a quiet way of saying "You got lucky too many
hands in a row, I hope you don't acutually think you played well". And it
was true, so walking away instead of actually saying it was the sportsman
like thing to do and she had every right to do so.

Tomas

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Brian Court

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Dec 11, 2003, 1:32:30 PM12/11/03
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Your analysis is right on the money.

Brian Court

AlwaysAware

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Dec 11, 2003, 4:06:56 PM12/11/03
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>From: DanGol...@hotmail.com (Dan Goldschlag)

> Can't even shake a players
>hand?

huh? I watched the first five minutes of the show last night and lost
interest, I did however tape it. I haven't watched the entire thing yet, but I
cued it up to Annie's exit. She walked away disappointed, perhaps stunned...
but, when Clonie approached her, she shook her hand. You make it sound like she
refused and turned up her nose..

Joan

tom

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Dec 11, 2003, 4:38:28 PM12/11/03
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I would have liked to see some congradulatory oral.

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Garycarson1

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Dec 11, 2003, 6:22:48 PM12/11/03
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What's all this hand-shaking bullshit? I have a lot of going busted
experience. And, I don't shake anybodies hand, I just get up and go home when
I go busted. I don't have time for hand shaking, I gotta find something I can
sell so I can get back in the game.

Life was so much simplier when I had a g/f with a job.

Gary Carson

SMSmith007

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Dec 11, 2003, 6:53:15 PM12/11/03
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That's a great post! Thanks for the laugh.


Howard Treesong

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Dec 11, 2003, 7:48:57 PM12/11/03
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DanGol...@hotmail.com (Dan Goldschlag) wrote in message news:<6944b882.03121...@posting.google.com>...

Kathy has never been even slightly pleasant as far as I'm concerned,
despite more than a dozen opportunities to be so. Annie is often nice
and occasionally quite bitter and mean: she let loose with a couple
of choice insults after I busted her from the $5000 WSOP NLH this year
(I think I heard "idiot" and "fish," although I was busily
concentrating on other matters at the time). Johnny Chan overheard
the same, and said to her "I would have done the same thing he
(referring to me) did," which quieted her down fairly fast. Jennifer
Harman has been 100% pleasant to me at all times, either at her table
or running across her in poker rooms in various places. I've never
met Ng or Clonie or Maureen, although I've played with Maureen a time
or two. I'm not fond of your sense of tact, Goldschlag, but I think
you're generally right on this one.

-Howard Treesong

PrestoET

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Dec 11, 2003, 9:30:01 PM12/11/03
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Larr...@charter.net (Larry W. (Wayno) Phillips) wrote in message news:<3fd8a91b...@news.cis.dfn.de>...

I would not agree with that.
I thought her table image got to the point where her raises meant
little
and so they were calling her. Ng called with A high and rightly
guessed she had the best hand.
If she had played a little tighter and presented a different image she
would have taken some of those pots outright with no flop involved.
Instead, she got called too often and got sucked out on.
I thought her table image sucked in almost every aspect of "image".

Yes, she had some bad luck but her image was not impressive, in fact
it seemed worse than the image she presented at the WSOP.

The other players looked relatively fresh, she looked like she had
stayed out all night and slept in her clothes. She did not register
"confidence" and "I am a winning player and a poerful force surrounds
me".
It registered, "I am on a bad streak and anyone can beat me".
"I'm a whiner, put me out of my misery".


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Irish Mike

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Dec 11, 2003, 10:43:03 PM12/11/03
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I thought the entire event was very well done. They chose a good mix of
players and I thought the action was better than some of the men's WPT
events - mainly because all of the players started with the same number of
chips. The chip swings between the final two players was very exciting.
Players like Clonie and Evelyn are great for poker - young, attractive and
gracious in victory or defeat. I though Clonie's celebrating was very
genuine and just reflected her excitement about the tournament. If I had
any criticism for the event I would say that Harmon, Duke and Liebert all
seemed a little too full of themselves. Maybe that childish "Helmuth"
reaction to getting knocked out of a tournament is contagious and has spread
to these female professionals as well.

Irish Mike

"I stood on the Dublin docks and my future was uncertain, in a place where
fortunes are won and lost on the dealing of a hand"

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Jim Pappas

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Dec 12, 2003, 1:37:50 AM12/12/03
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Dear Dan,
I agree somewhat??,, walking away from the table, with
no reconnition of any kind to the remaining players,
seems a little classless. I cant believe she behaved like that???
JCL

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Chipped Up

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Dec 12, 2003, 2:50:45 AM12/12/03
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On Fri, 12 Dec 2003 06:37:50 GMT, Jim Pappas
<jonthe...@worldnet.att.net> wrote:

> Dear Dan,
> I agree somewhat??,, walking away from the table, with
> no reconnition of any kind to the remaining players,
> seems a little classless. I cant believe she behaved like that???
> JCL

Grow up. Why is your version of 'class' more important than hers? Do you
pay her bills? I am guessing that she is thinking, well not about you!

ITALY1959

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Dec 12, 2003, 9:37:42 AM12/12/03
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>Life was so much simplier when I had a g/f with a job.
>
>Gary Carson

GARY WHAT ABOUT UR BLOW UP DOLL???

Travel

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Dec 12, 2003, 10:55:58 AM12/12/03
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Group: rec.gambling.poker Date: Fri, Dec 12, 2003, 3:43am (EST+5) From:
mjo...@ameritech.net (Irish Mike)
I thought the entire event was very well done. They chose a good mix of
players and I thought the action was better than some of the men's WPT
events - mainly because all of the players started with the same number
of chips. The chip swings between the final two players was very
exciting. Players like Clonie and Evelyn are great for poker - young,
attractive and gracious in victory or defeat. I though Clonie's
celebrating was very genuine and just reflected her excitement about the
tournament. If I had any criticism for the event I would say that
Harmon, Duke and Liebert all seemed a little too full of themselves.

-"Maybe that childish "Helmuth" reaction to getting knocked out of a


tournament is contagious and has spread to these female professionals as
well.

Irish Mike"-

As long as Jimmy Connors doesn't show up on Bravo Celebrity "Poker" and
start a fricken grunting craze.

Irish Mike

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Dec 12, 2003, 11:12:58 AM12/12/03
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You are the one missing the point here bucko. When a person has an
opportunity to appear and compete on national television, acting like a poor
sport and a spoiled child is very, very short sighted. If any potential
corporate sponsors were watching that show, Clonie is clearly the winner,
Evelyn finished second and none of the "professionals" even showed up.

Irish Mike

"I stood on the Dublin docks and my future was uncertain, in a place where
fortunes are won and lost on the dealing of a hand"

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Brian Court

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Dec 12, 2003, 11:30:11 AM12/12/03
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tom <t...@hotmail.com> wrote in message news:<3fd8e3d4$0$203$7586...@news.frii.net>...

> I would have liked to see some congradulatory oral.

We think alike.

jarrett40

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Dec 12, 2003, 5:52:14 PM12/12/03
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alway...@aol.com (AlwaysAware) wrote in message ]> huh? I watched the first five minutes of the show last night and lost

> interest, I did however tape it. I haven't watched the entire thing yet, but I
> cued it up to Annie's exit. She walked away disappointed, perhaps stunned...
> but, when Clonie approached her, she shook her hand. You make it sound like she
> refused and turned up her nose..
>
> Joan

Watch it again. She shook Clonie's hand after Clonie chased her down
and extended her hand towards Annie.She did not want to and it was
obvious she did so grudgingly. She does project the aura that she
think's she's better than everybody else and I'm not talking only
about poker.
Howard Lederer has all the class in the world. It's a pity his sister
didn't inherit some of it.
My statements are not based on this one show, either. I've seen her
several times and she comes off the same way every time.

jarrett40

AlwaysAware

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Dec 12, 2003, 6:50:47 PM12/12/03
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I probably won't get around to watching the tape until I get snowed in again...
but, it doesn't really matter, one hundred people could watch that tape and
have 10 or more different opinions.

I corresponded via email with Annie a year or so ago. We have a mutual friend
(not a poker player) that thinks the world of her. She suggested we all get
together for dinner if I ever go West again. So, when she was East at Foxwoods
and came over to talk to Erik Seidel who was at my table. I said "Hi. Annie,
I'm Joan Hadley" and mentioned our mutual friend. I expected to hear "Hi! Nice
to meet you" or, "Hi! How are ya?" What I heard instead was "Yeah? I know who
you are" I thought about being "offended" (smile) but if you read Poker Face
you would know that's the same way she treats her sister..... so, I decided to
be "flattered" that she knew who I was and treated me like family (smile)

We expect the "knowns" of poker to act a certain way, or to be "on" all the
time. Some do a great/good job at it.. to others it's a struggle and we feel
justified in criticizing or pointing it out.

People in the past have ragged on Layne for his language... yeah, well... these
people didn't take up poker to be poster children for the game.

I am a fairly "nice" person. But I can think of a poker incident I very much
regret, not that I think I was wrong, in either what I said or even how I said
it (though I was a ROYAL bitch) .. but that it was an "ARG" event and I should
have let it go. It wasn't about the money (or lost opportunity due to what
transpired) it was about winning. In the "heat" of the moment shit happens...

Joan

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