Hey Mossingen?
RGP Loner
You seem to be " in the Know " alot around here. If you have a moment, I
would sure like you to comment on what this gentleman, Dr. Steve R.
Pieczenik has to say.
And specifically tell me why I should believe what you have to say over
what this former US Deputy asst. Secretary of State under 3 presidential
administrations .
Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different
administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal
grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a
false flag attack
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=player_embedded
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? I'm not a welching scumbag like davoice. If 'BOTH'
Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly indicated in 'BOTH' mine
'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked for payment,
I would have sent it with no questions asked.
---XaQ Morphy
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
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popinjay999
>
>
> You seem to be " in the Know " alot around here.
>
LOL
ChrisRobin
> one phoney conspiracy claim at a time please
Did you bother to read the article? This guy claims to have firsthand
knowledge, as told to him directly from a high-ranking military general,
that 9/11 was a false flag attack orchestrated by the Bush Administration.
He names names. And he says he's willing to testify before a grand jury!!!
This is HUGE.
This guy is no tinfoil-hatter – he's worked directly with Reagan, Bush Sr,
Nixon, Ford, Carter, Kissinger, and James Baker, and has held positions in
the inner circles of the White House, State Department, and the
intelligence community. He's a member of the CFR, for Chrissakes!
He's also on record as stating his belief that bin Laden's been dead for
nearly a decade, a sentiment which I've stated on numerous occasions.
Read the damn article, Doggy. This is an extremely accomplished Washington
insider making some VERY serious accusations.
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XaQ Morphy
> You seem to be " in the Know " alot around here.
To clear up any questions about whether Boise was a retard or not, I
present Exhibit A above.
---
Morphy
xaqm...@donkeymanifesto.com
http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
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Mossingen
news:te3998x...@recgroups.com...
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=player_embedded
>
> You seem to be " in the Know " alot around here. If you have a moment, I
> would sure like you to comment on what this gentleman, Dr. Steve R.
> Pieczenik has to say.
> And specifically tell me why I should believe what you have to say over
> what this former US Deputy asst. Secretary of State under 3 presidential
> administrations .
>
> Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different
> administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal
> grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a
> false flag attack
>
> http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
>
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=player_embedded
Because he's a kook? Any time you see the phrase "false flag" get ready for
an incoherent, novel's length diatribe about international Jewish bankers,
black helicopters, and the rest of the kookery.
Let me ask you something: Why do you seem to accept what this guy says
without demanding any proof from him? He claims to have found out that Bin
Laden died from "intelligence rosters." What are those? He and Jones
indicate that pretty much everyone in the government knew about Bin Laden's
death. Do you really believe that so many people can keep a secret like
that? I listen to Alex Jones and guys like Pieczenik and just think that
they prey on gullible, paranoid people.
Plus Pieczenik is CFR. How do you know it's not a sooper-sekrit double
false-flag, hmmm? Paul???
Mossingen
news:46e4157a-1ec8-48ce...@z15g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On May 4, 4:18 pm, "RGP Loner" <aaaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
>
> You seem to be " in the Know " alot around here.
>
LOL
_________
Pieczenik is CFR, paul. Why is he spilling the beans?
popinjay999
> He's a member of the CFR, for Chrissakes!
>
That BASTARD!
RGP Loner
He is FORMER CFR. Does that make you feel better ? If you listen to the
interveiw you would have heard that he is spilling the beans because the
deception of the American public is continuing under Obama and he believes
it is ruining America.
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the
Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations,
Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior,
and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense.
A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C.
Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously
completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for
psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for
transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and
intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while
also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later
employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry
Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on
George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores
the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence
circles over the past three decades plus.
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? I'm not a welching scumbag like davoice. If 'BOTH'
Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly indicated in 'BOTH' mine
'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked for payment,
I would have sent it with no questions asked.
---XaQ Morphy
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
_____________________________________________________________________
popinjay999
>
> He is FORMER CFR. Does that make you feel better ?
>
Admiral Chester Ward was once former CFR. Here's what he had to say:
"The main purpose of the Council on Foreign Relations
is promoting the disarmament of U.S. sovereignty and
national independence and submergence into an all powerful,
one world government."
ChrisRobin
> Because he's a kook? Any time you see the phrase "false flag" get ready for
> an incoherent, novel's length diatribe about international Jewish bankers,
> black helicopters, and the rest of the kookery.
See, you've already dismissed him because you disagree with his opinion.
Highly irrational. And clearly you're no student of history. Governments
throughout the ages have used false flag attacks to justify unpopular
policies.
> Let me ask you something: Why do you seem to accept what this guy says
> without demanding any proof from him? He claims to have found out that Bin
> Laden died from "intelligence rosters." What are those? He and Jones
> indicate that pretty much everyone in the government knew about Bin Laden's
> death. Do you really believe that so many people can keep a secret like
> that? I listen to Alex Jones and guys like Pieczenik and just think that
> they prey on gullible, paranoid people.
Of course we want proof. This guy's offering to testify in front of a
grand jury. Would that satisfy you?
> Plus Pieczenik is CFR. How do you know it's not a sooper-sekrit double
> false-flag, hmmm? Paul???
I certainly would not rule out the possibility that this is part of some
misinformation campaign. But I suppose we'll never be able to make that
determination if we dismiss him out of hand and label him a "kook," now
will we?
_______________________________________________________________________
popinjay999
>
> I certainly would not rule out the possibility that this is part of some
> misinformation campaign. But I suppose we'll never be able to make that
> determination if we dismiss him out of hand and label him a "kook," now
> will we?
>
Y'know what I was thinking earlier, Chris? What if you were charged
with a crime and you seriously were being framed by a real government
conspiracy. And let's say you're kinda broke and cannot afford a big
fancy lawyer. So anyway, you're sitting in the holding cell, and they
announce that a public defender has been appointed for you and that he
is here to discuss the case with you. Suddenly, in walks Mossingen.
lol HOW D'YA LIKE YOUR CHANCES NOW? lol Omg, you're so fucked.
Just shoot me now and get it over with.
RGP Loner
> "RGP Loner" <aaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:te3998x...@recgroups.com...
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=player_embedded
> >
> > You seem to be " in the Know " alot around here. If you have a moment, I
> > would sure like you to comment on what this gentleman, Dr. Steve R.
> > Pieczenik has to say.
> > And specifically tell me why I should believe what you have to say over
> > what this former US Deputy asst. Secretary of State under 3 presidential
> > administrations .
> >
> > Former Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different
> > administrations Steve R. Pieczenik says he is prepared to tell a federal
> > grand jury the name of a top general who told him directly 9/11 was a
> > false flag attack
> >
> >
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
> >
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xj0pM5FoYbs&feature=player_embedded
>
>
>
>
> Because he's a kook? The guy SIMULTANIOUSLY completed Harvard med school
and got a PHD at MIT. You did what ?
You think he is a cook. Why would he still be working for the Dept. of
Defense if he was a kook. Does the DOD hire Kooks ?
His credentials sir ...
Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a “conspiracy theorist”. He served as the
Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations,
Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior,
and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense.
A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C.
Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously
completed a PhD at MIT.
Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic tenets for
psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for
transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and
intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,” while
also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later
employed around the world.
Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry
Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on
George W. Bush’s election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores
the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence
circles over the past three decades plus.
>Any time you see the phrase "false flag" get ready for
> an incoherent, novel's length diatribe about international Jewish bankers,
> black helicopters, and the rest of the kookery.
>
> Let me ask you something: Why do you seem to accept what this guy says
> without demanding any proof from him? He claims to have found out that Bin
That is ironic . I 'tend' to believe him because the story is plausible.
The Official government story is not . I find it funny that you doubt
this former High ranking government official but choose to put faith in
the current high ranking government officials speaking today . mine has
nothing to hide, yours are in situ.
> Laden died from "intelligence rosters." What are those? He and Jones
> indicate that pretty much everyone in the government knew about Bin Laden's
> death. Do you really believe that so many people can keep a secret like
> that?
You believers always like to use that one. First of all... It's not
really a secret is it . Everybody 'KNOWS' there was a coverup, the 911
commission members feel that way, why shouldn't you. Second, let's say
it took 5000 people to pull this off. Every one of those 5 thousand could
be given 1 million dollars tax free and that would only cost 5 billion
dollars. Considering that the day before 911 Rumsfeldt said that the
Pentagon could not account for more than 1 trillion, I think you can see
that 5 bill is manageable.
There are people in Government that would kill their grandmother to keep a
pension. 1 million to keep a secret is nothing. If they talk, they
suicide. If they won't or cant be suicided then who is going to believe
them anyway. Certainly not you .
The evidence is already out. Some are just too blind to see.
You seem like a news hound Mossigen. Do you remember when Hillary said a
few months back that the Main stream media wasn't keeping up with the
Alternative media. At the time it was thougt she menat for the MSM to
step up the battle against the Alternatives. I believe she meant that the
alternatives were getting the story out that the Government wants you to
hear. I believe we will All soon know a lot more about what really
happened and that will give the Government the Authority to enact the next
steps towards loss of individual freedoms and rights .
> I listen to Alex Jones and guys like Pieczenik and just think that
> they prey on gullible, paranoid people.
LOL How are people being preyed upon. The fed is destroying the dollar
and you accuse Alex Jones of Preying on people. LOL What is it costing
me to listen to something that I enjoy. I guess you think American Idol
is preying on people or that Rachel madow or olberman are preying on
people .
Let me tell you something. I am more impowered by what I hear from Alex
Jones or from former Asst. Dept. Secretary of States than I am by
listening to people like you who don't . You are a prime example of
someone that shooots his mouth off with no information than what you have
been spoon fed your entire life by your Government.
Here is one for you Mossingen.. In your era too ..
GULF of TONKIN incident . Made this country go to war and was later
admited by the same people that stated it as fact, to be a LIE.
Are you saying that that was the only and last time that our Government
has taken us to war over a Lie? Look at all the people involved, must
have been hundreds of sailors on those boats. But there was not even a
hint of conspiracy till Mc Namara came out with the truth .
> Plus Pieczenik is CFR. How do you know it's not a sooper-sekrit double
> false-flag, hmmm? Paul???
He is FORMER CFR. Do you think they let Kooks in the CFR ?
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? I'm not a welching scumbag like davoice. If 'BOTH'
Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly indicated in 'BOTH' mine
'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked for payment,
I would have sent it with no questions asked.
---XaQ Morphy
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
_____________________________________________________________________
RGP Loner
> On May 4 2011 6:18 PM, RGP Loner wrote:
>
> > You seem to be " in the Know " alot around here.
>
> To clear up any questions about whether Boise was a retard or not, I
> present Exhibit A above.
>
> ---
> Morphy
> xaqm...@donkeymanifesto.com
> http://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> http://twitter.com/xaqmorphy
Gee morph , what is with all of the personal attacks. That is two in 10
minutes. I guess you like my Sig. HEH.
Remember those days? I didn't even care that you were a lying scumbag
scammer till you insulted me . Then I did all I could to dig up the dirt
that PROVED you were a lying scumbag.
Thanks for the Sig material. Priceless Donkey, Priceless .
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? I'm not a welching scumbag like davoice. If 'BOTH'
Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly indicated in 'BOTH' mine
'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked for payment,
I would have sent it with no questions asked.
---XaQ Morphy
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
------
RGP Loner
The source is so good that I also can't rule out a misinformation
campaign. especially since .....Pieczenik went on to develop, “the basic
tenets for
psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for
transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and
intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government,”
******************************
O-PGManager
> On May 4 2011 7:27 PM, DDawgster wrote:
>
> > one phoney conspiracy claim at a time please
>
> Did you bother to read the article? This guy claims to have firsthand
> knowledge, as told to him directly from a high-ranking military general,
> that 9/11 was a false flag attack orchestrated by the Bush Administration.
> He names names. And he says he's willing to testify before a grand jury!!!
> This is HUGE.
Easy Chris. If he can name names in front of a grand jury - why on earth
couldn't he name names on the Alex Jones show?
This guy has nothing - "Secret Person X told me Y. I'll tell you who he
is after I'm in front of a grand jury." Only problem is he is NEVER going
to be in front of a grand jury answering these questions and he knows it.
If he wanted to get in front of a grand jury - then NAME NAMES and offer
to name them again under oath.
Why is he spouting claims he has no proof for? Check out his website, the
guy is hucking a TON of stuff - and the Alex Jones audience is a very
eager customer base.
Maybe Bin Laden has been on ice for 10 years - but I'm inclined to believe
his daughter who said he was executed in front of her. There were
supposedly 20+ people in that house... I think his identity is going to be
confirmed.
I think all the discrepancies can be explained by a coverup of the fact he
was summarily executed.
But this guy is no more credible than Obama.
Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
________________________________________________________________________
XaQ Morphy
> Gee morph , what is with all of the personal attacks. That is two in 10
> minutes. I guess you like my Sig. HEH.
>
> Remember those days? I didn't even care that you were a lying scumbag
> scammer till you insulted me . Then I did all I could to dig up the dirt
> that PROVED you were a lying scumbag.
>
> Thanks for the Sig material. Priceless Donkey, Priceless .
See, the problem is that you're so retarded you think your sig hurts me in
some way. Your sig helps my case if anything. You're insulting a known
welcher with every post. Keep it up!
---
Mossingen
> He is FORMER CFR. Does that make you feel better ? If you listen to the
> interveiw you would have heard that he is spilling the beans because the
> deception of the American public is continuing under Obama and he believes
> it is ruining America.
You seem to accept this without any skepticism at all.
> Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist". He served as the
> Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations,
> Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior,
> and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense.
> A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C.
> Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously
> completed a PhD at MIT.
>
> Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
> for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, "the basic tenets for
> psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for
> transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and
> intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government," while
> also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later
> employed around the world.
>
> Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry
> Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on
> George W. Bush's election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores
> the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence
> circles over the past three decades plus.
Yet, not one colleague has stepped forward to verify what he says, not a
single reputable news source has even bothered to vet his allegations, and
he provides no proof at all to corroborate anything he says. And you don't
think that odd in the least.
Where is your skepticism for what this man says? I suppose that is the
thing that I can never quite understand about conspiracy folks. So much
nit-picking over discrepancy in the official story; yet, no critical review
of stories like this.
Mossingen
news:q49998x...@recgroups.com...
> On May 4 2011 8:11 PM, Mossingen wrote:
>
>> Because he's a kook? Any time you see the phrase "false flag" get ready
>> for
>> an incoherent, novel's length diatribe about international Jewish
>> bankers,
>> black helicopters, and the rest of the kookery.
>
> See, you've already dismissed him because you disagree with his opinion.
> Highly irrational. And clearly you're no student of history. Governments
> throughout the ages have used false flag attacks to justify unpopular
> policies.
I dismiss him because not a single one of his alleged high-level contacts in
his 30-year career has come forward to verify anything he says (to my
knowledge), he provides no proof at all to corroborate his allegations, and
his story has not been subjected to critical vetting by any reputable news
organization, not to mention that in order for him to be telling the truth,
there have to be scores of officials from the President to Leon Panetta on
down lying.
It is possible that they are all lying and Pieczenik is the only one telling
the truth, but HTF can you just accept it at face value?
And, false flag operations have occurred, but the only people I ever hear
use that term are absolute kooks.
>> Let me ask you something: Why do you seem to accept what this guy says
>> without demanding any proof from him? He claims to have found out that
>> Bin
>> Laden died from "intelligence rosters." What are those? He and Jones
>> indicate that pretty much everyone in the government knew about Bin
>> Laden's
>> death. Do you really believe that so many people can keep a secret like
>> that? I listen to Alex Jones and guys like Pieczenik and just think that
>> they prey on gullible, paranoid people.
>
> Of course we want proof. This guy's offering to testify in front of a
> grand jury. Would that satisfy you?
Of course not. If even a single other high-level government official came
forward and said, "look, I've known Dr. Pieczenik for 30 years and I can
verify that he is corret," then I would listen.
>> Plus Pieczenik is CFR. How do you know it's not a sooper-sekrit double
>> false-flag, hmmm? Paul???
>
> I certainly would not rule out the possibility that this is part of some
> misinformation campaign. But I suppose we'll never be able to make that
> determination if we dismiss him out of hand and label him a "kook," now
> will we?
What other resolution is there? There is every reason to believe President
Obama and none to belive Dr. Pieczenik.
RGP Loner
> "RGP Loner" <aaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:ik8998x...@recgroups.com...
>
>
> > He is FORMER CFR. Does that make you feel better ? If you listen to the
> > interview you would have heard that he is spilling the beans because the
> > deception of the American public is continuing under Obama and he believes
> > it is ruining America.
>
>
> You seem to accept this without any skepticism at all.
LOL I am a total skeptic, jaded one at that. How ironic of you to claim
otherwise while giving yourself a pass.
>
> > Pieczenik cannot be dismissed as a "conspiracy theorist". He served as the
> > Deputy Assistant Secretary of State under three different administrations,
> > Nixon, Ford and Carter, while also working under Reagan and Bush senior,
> > and still works as a consultant for the Department of Defense.
> > A former US Navy Captain, Pieczenik achieved two prestigious Harry C.
> > Solomon Awards at the Harvard Medical School as he simultaneously
> > completed a PhD at MIT.
> >
> > Recruited by Lawrence Eagleburger as Deputy Assistant Secretary of State
> > for Management, Pieczenik went on to develop, "the basic tenets for
> > psychological warfare, counter terrorism, strategy and tactics for
> > transcultural negotiations for the US State Department, military and
> > intelligence communities and other agencies of the US Government," while
> > also developing foundational strategies for hostage rescue that were later
> > employed around the world.
> >
> > Pieczenik also served as a senior policy planner under Secretaries Henry
> > Kissinger, Cyrus Vance, George Schultz and James Baker and worked on
> > George W. Bush's election campaign against Al Gore. His record underscores
> > the fact that he is one of the most deeply connected men in intelligence
> > circles over the past three decades plus.
>
>
> Yet, not one colleague has stepped forward to verify what he says, not a
> single reputable news source has even bothered to vet his allegations, and
> he provides no proof at all to corroborate anything he says. And you don't
> think that odd in the least.
here is an updated list of that which you asked for ...
Recent Additions to This Page
(Please also check the other six pages.)
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Former Chief, National Response Center
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Added December 23, 2010
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U.S. Air Force (ret)
Added December 15, 2010
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U.S. Navy (ret)
Added November 1, 2010
Rev. William Sloane Coffin, Jr.
Captain, U.S. Army Intelligence, World War II
Former CIA Case Officer
Added October 18, 2010
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Former Chief of the CIA's bin Laden unit
Added October 11, 2010
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66th U.S. Attorney General
Added September 29, 2010
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81st Governor
State of New Hampshire
Added May 29, 2010
http://patriotsquestion911.com/
He did the interview yesterday. Why would a news source cover what he had
to say yesterday when the administration is self destructing over the
osama death theatrical production .
> Where is your skepticism for what this man says? I suppose that is the
> thing that I can never quite understand about conspiracy folks. So much
> nit-picking over discrepancy in the official story; yet, no critical review
> of stories like this.
Are you telling me that you listened to the interview or are you just
guessing what he said and curious as to why I would tend to believe him ?
I listen to all sides of the story and draw my own conclusions. You sir,
have admitted to not listening to anything but what you are told by your
government. What are your thoughts on Tillman. ? Do you believe that was
an isolated incident ? And by the last question I mean Do you believe what
the government told you or do you look at the fact as the family did and
believe Pat Tillman was murdered ? I don't think you have come to grips
with basic history mossegen. What are your thoughts on Tonkin? What were
the results of the warren commission? Compare those to the findings by
the house select committee into the assassination of the president. One
said lone gun man, the other said that it was 95% certain that it was a
conspiracy. Which story do you tend to believe ?
There will be a new investigation and when the facts are presented
objectively history Will change. What will you believe then ?
The interview with Dr Pieczenik was not scheduled till osama was reported
dead. This embarrassed Jones because he had been claiming osama dead all
along. he asked Dr. Pieczenik to come on the show and he agreed after 9
years of absence. This Dr. Pieczenik is no conspiracy advocate, he just
has had enough of the American people being lied to , or so he says.
could be counter psy ops, that was one of his his specialties.
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? I'm not a welching scumbag like davoice. If 'BOTH'
Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly indicated in 'BOTH' mine
'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked for payment,
I would have sent it with no questions asked.
---XaQ Morphy
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
______________________________________________________________________
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RGP Loner
> On May 4 2011 8:07 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > On May 4 2011 7:27 PM, DDawgster wrote:
> >
> > > one phoney conspiracy claim at a time please
> >
> > Did you bother to read the article? This guy claims to have firsthand
> > knowledge, as told to him directly from a high-ranking military general,
> > that 9/11 was a false flag attack orchestrated by the Bush Administration.
> > He names names. And he says he's willing to testify before a grand jury!!!
> > This is HUGE.
>
> Easy Chris. If he can name names in front of a grand jury - why on earth
> couldn't he name names on the Alex Jones show?
He did name names, another case of someone not caring to find out .
There was just one specific general that he is actually still friends with
that he refused to say his name. But He did say that he would give the
information if he was asked to in front of a a grand jury. He still works
with these people. You are right hat he knows he probably will not be
asked to testify, so he chooses not to make a bad situation between
friends worse.
You mention he has a website. I would be disappointed if it refereed at
all to 911. That is not who this guy is .
> This guy has nothing - "Secret Person X told me Y. I'll tell you who he
> is after I'm in front of a grand jury." Only problem is he is NEVER going
> to be in front of a grand jury answering these questions and he knows it.
> If he wanted to get in front of a grand jury - then NAME NAMES and offer
> to name them again under oath.
>
> Why is he spouting claims he has no proof for? Check out his website, the
> guy is hucking a TON of stuff - and the Alex Jones audience is a very
> eager customer base.
YOU ARE A LIAR OP. Here is his website . You say he is Hucking a ton of
stuff SHOW ME >> OR YOU ARE A LIAR . I hate liars .
http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html
> Maybe Bin Laden has been on ice for 10 years - but I'm inclined to believe
> his daughter who said he was executed in front of her. There were
> supposedly 20+ people in that house... I think his identity is going to be
> confirmed.
>
> I think all the discrepancies can be explained by a coverup of the fact he
> was summarily executed.
>
> But this guy is no more credible than Obama.
>
> Opie G. Manager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? I'm not a welching scumbag like davoice. If 'BOTH'
Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly indicated in 'BOTH' mine
'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked for payment,
I would have sent it with no questions asked.
---XaQ Morphy
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
______________________________________________________________________
Lab Rat
> On May 4 2011 8:11 PM, Mossingen wrote:
>
> > Because he's a kook? Any time you see the phrase "false flag" get ready
for
> > an incoherent, novel's length diatribe about international Jewish bankers,
> > black helicopters, and the rest of the kookery.
>
> See, you've already dismissed him because you disagree with his opinion.
> Highly irrational. And clearly you're no student of history. Governments
> throughout the ages have used false flag attacks to justify unpopular
> policies.
>
> > Let me ask you something: Why do you seem to accept what this guy says
> > without demanding any proof from him? He claims to have found out that
Bin
> > Laden died from "intelligence rosters." What are those? He and Jones
> > indicate that pretty much everyone in the government knew about Bin
Laden's
> > death. Do you really believe that so many people can keep a secret like
> > that? I listen to Alex Jones and guys like Pieczenik and just think that
> > they prey on gullible, paranoid people.
>
> Of course we want proof. This guy's offering to testify in front of a
> grand jury. Would that satisfy you?
If Skillz were to testify as to the existence of nibiru in front of a
Grand Jury, would that satisfy you? Uncorroborated testimony is not
'proof'. Evidence, maybe, but not 'proof'.
> > Plus Pieczenik is CFR. How do you know it's not a sooper-sekrit double
> > false-flag, hmmm? Paul???
>
> I certainly would not rule out the possibility that this is part of some
> misinformation campaign. But I suppose we'll never be able to make that
> determination if we dismiss him out of hand and label him a "kook," now
> will we?
_____________________________________________________________________
O-PGManager
> You are right hat he knows he probably will not be
> asked to testify, so he chooses not to make a bad situation between
> friends worse.
If my friend was hiding information about the US government intentionally
mass murdering its citizens I wouldn't protect him. What kind of a man is
he? He's worried about his friendship??
> YOU ARE A LIAR OP. Here is his website . You say he is Hucking a ton of
> stuff SHOW ME >> OR YOU ARE A LIAR . I hate liars .
> http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html
uhhhhhhh, those 13 novels with barnes and noble and amazon links? The guy
is an entrepreneur, he is a brand. He's marketing himself to the Alex
Jones audience.
If he had a shred of evidence other than "I heard from my mystery friend"
- then he would present it. I'm not going to give names unless I'm in
front of a grand jury? How the hell does that make any sense? It sounds
nice, until you think about it for 3 seconds.
>
>
> > Maybe Bin Laden has been on ice for 10 years - but I'm inclined to believe
> > his daughter who said he was executed in front of her. There were
> > supposedly 20+ people in that house... I think his identity is going to be
> > confirmed.
> >
> > I think all the discrepancies can be explained by a coverup of the fact he
> > was summarily executed.
> >
> > But this guy is no more credible than Obama.
> >
> > Opie G. Manager
> > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
>
>
> ******************************
> $50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
> event.
>
> --XaQ Morphy
>
> Uhh, excuse me? I'm not a welching scumbag like davoice. If 'BOTH'
> Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly indicated in 'BOTH' mine
> 'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked for payment,
> I would have sent it with no questions asked.
>
> ---XaQ Morphy
>
> You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
>
> --XaQ Morphy
Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
______________________________________________________________________
RGP Loner
> On May 5 2011 1:03 AM, RGP Loner wrote:
>
> > You are right hat he knows he probably will not be
> > asked to testify, so he chooses not to make a bad situation between
> > friends worse.
>
> If my friend was hiding information about the US government intentionally
> mass murdering its citizens I wouldn't protect him. What kind of a man is
> he? He's worried about his friendship??
Of course he isn't worried about his friendship. He told his friend that
if called to testify he would do so in a heartbeat.
His friend isn't hiding any information. What is it with you people? His
friend told him that 911 was an inside job. Oh my god you suggest he
should run around and tell everybody what his friend said. Hey everybody,
my lifelong High ranking General friend says 911 was an inside job....Yeah
..so what ? Tell me something we don't know.
> > YOU ARE A LIAR OP. Here is his website . You say he is Hucking a ton of
> > stuff SHOW ME >> OR YOU ARE A LIAR . I hate liars .
> > http://www.stevepieczenik.com/home.html
>
> uhhhhhhh, those 13 novels with barnes and noble and amazon links? The guy
> is an entrepreneur, he is a brand. He's marketing himself to the Alex
> Jones audience.
Yes he is an author now, in fact he is the inspiration for the lead
character in patriot games, clancy admits. So if an author has a website
that markets his books he is a huckster ?
> If he had a shred of evidence other than "I heard from my mystery friend"
> - then he would present it. I'm not going to give names unless I'm in
> front of a grand jury? How the hell does that make any sense? It sounds
> nice, until you think about it for 3 seconds.
He does name names, but would you really care. your mind is made up.
you believe what you are told. I , on the other hand , am still
discovering the truth . Some of what I learn is wrong , and some seems to
be right. The Government Lies to it's people. This is a documented
fact. I can't help but spot the inconsistencies and question if perhaps
this isn't one of the governments lying moments .
> >
> >
> > > Maybe Bin Laden has been on ice for 10 years - but I'm inclined to
believe
> > > his daughter who said he was executed in front of her. There were
> > > supposedly 20+ people in that house... I think his identity is going to
be
> > > confirmed.
> > >
> > > I think all the discrepancies can be explained by a cover up of the fact
he
> > > was summarily executed.
OH great, A conspiracy theorist . Why can't you accept what the
government is telling you ?
Remember, the government told us that the building did not fall at free
fall speed, then 3 years later the government was forced to concede that
the building DID in fact free fall.(funny how they didn't catch that
before). Of course we were never explained how it was possible for the
building to act that way, we were just notified that it did.
Impossible according to physics. But totally plausible to a government
agency spokesperson.
and only now you find something to question your government about. Well
at least your awake.
---XaQ Morphy
--XaQ Morphy
________________________________________________________________________
RGP Loner
> On May 4 2011 8:29 PM, RGP Loner wrote:
>
> > Gee morph , what is with all of the personal attacks. That is two in 10
> > minutes. I guess you like my Sig. HEH.
> >
> > Remember those days? I didn't even care that you were a lying scumbag
> > scammer till you insulted me . Then I did all I could to dig up the dirt
> > that PROVED you were a lying scumbag.
> >
> > Thanks for the Sig material. Priceless Donkey, Priceless .
>
> See, the problem is that you're so retarded you think your sig hurts me in
> some way. Your sig helps my case if anything. You're insulting a known
> welcher with every post. Keep it up!
>
There you go again with the insults.. LOL some donks never learn .
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? If 'BOTH' Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly
indicated in 'BOTH' mine 'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked
for payment, I would have sent it with no questions asked.
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
---
BillB
"RGP Loner" <aaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> LOL I am a total skeptic, jaded one at that.
Unless it is published on Infowars?
William Coleman
> Remember, the government told us that the building did not fall at free
> fall speed, then 3 years later the government was forced to concede that
> the building DID in fact free fall.
NO, THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT CONCEDE ANY SUCH THING. THIS IDIOTIC CLAIM
WAS TOTALLY DEBUNKED WITH AUTHORITATIVE LINKS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE
TROTTING OUT YOUR 9/11 BULLSHIT. YET HERE YOU ARE REPEATING THE SAME
DEBUNKED BULLSHIT.
AND POSING AS A SEEKER OF TRUTH.
EAT SHIT AND DIE.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
RGP Loner
> On May 4, 11:12 pm, "RGP Loner" <aaaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > Remember, the government told us that the building did not fall at free
> > fall speed, then 3 years later the government was forced to concede that
> > the building DID in fact free fall.
>
> NO, THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT CONCEDE ANY SUCH THING. THIS IDIOTIC CLAIM
Yes the final NIST report did state that the building wtc7 fell at free
fall.. after originally stating that free fall was impossible..
I read the NIST report. Nist admits freefall. In the NIST preliminary
report on WTC7 it denied that freefall took place. Those are the facts.
I don't care about your old links that were written before the NIST report
was finalized. They prove nothing and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOUR OUTDATED
AND DEAD END LINKS DISCUSSED FREEFALL of wtc7. Care to correct me ? I
didn't think so .
> WAS TOTALLY DEBUNKED WITH AUTHORITATIVE LINKS THE LAST TIME YOU WERE
> TROTTING OUT YOUR 9/11 BULLSHIT. YET HERE YOU ARE REPEATING THE SAME
> DEBUNKED BULLSHIT.
>
> AND POSING AS A SEEKER OF TRUTH.
>
> EAT SHIT AND DIE.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
LOL... I love when I can get the freaks to reply . Hey Wilhelm I heard
you were caught masturbating in a tree.... that can't be true can it ?
I await your response .
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? If 'BOTH' Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly
indicated in 'BOTH' mine 'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked
for payment, I would have sent it with no questions asked.
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
------
William Coleman
> On May 5 2011 1:44 AM, William Coleman wrote:
> > On May 4, 11:12 pm, "RGP Loner" <aaaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > > Remember, the government told us that the building did not fall at free
> > > fall speed, then 3 years later the government was forced to concede that
> > > the building DID in fact free fall.
> > NO, THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT CONCEDE ANY SUCH THING. THIS IDIOTIC CLAIM
> Yes the final NIST report did state that the building wtc7 fell at free fall..
No it did not. You are lying.
> after originally stating that free fall was impossible..
> I read the NIST report.
So did I.
> Nist admits freefall.
No they do not.
> In the NIST preliminary
> report on WTC7 it denied that freefall took place. Those are the facts.
> I don't care about your old links that were written before the NIST report
> was finalized.
All of my links were to the final report.
> They prove nothing and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOUR OUTDATED
> AND DEAD END LINKS DISCUSSED FREEFALL of wtc7.
Because there was no freefall of WTC7.
> Care to correct me ? I didn't think so .
I already corrected you, numbnuts. I spent several hours doing the
research and writing the posts which completely blew your bullshit out
of the water. I am not going to waste more time on it.
A basic characteristic of intelligent people is that they accept
correction. You do not accept correction.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
RGP Loner
> On May 5, 1:27 am, "RGP Loner" <aaaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On May 5 2011 1:44 AM, William Coleman wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 11:12 pm, "RGP Loner" <aaaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > Remember, the government told us that the building did not fall at free
> > > > fall speed, then 3 years later the government was forced to concede
that
> > > > the building DID in fact free fall.
>
> > > NO, THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT CONCEDE ANY SUCH THING. THIS IDIOTIC CLAIM
>
> > Yes the final NIST report did state that the building wtc7 fell at free
fall..
>
> No it did not. You are lying.
>
> > after originally stating that free fall was impossible..
> > I read the NIST report.
>
> So did I.
>
> > Nist admits freefall.
>
> No they do not.
>
> > In the NIST preliminary
> > report on WTC7 it denied that freefall took place. Those are the facts..
> > I don't care about your old links that were written before the NIST report
> > was finalized.
>
> All of my links were to the final report.
>
> > They prove nothing and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOUR OUTDATED
> > AND DEAD END LINKS DISCUSSED FREEFALL of wtc7.
>
> Because there was no freefall of WTC7.
>
> > Care to correct me ? I didn't think so .
>
> I already corrected you, numbnuts. I spent several hours doing the
> research and writing the posts which completely blew your bullshit out
> of the water. I am not going to waste more time on it.
Oh yes you will, because it is your job to respond to me LOL.
> A basic characteristic of intelligent people is that they accept
> correction. You do not accept correction.
Show me just one link dealing with freefall of wtc7. just one. you
spent so much time ( hours, really I'm impressed) that a link should be at
your finger tips .
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
LOL... I love when I can get the freaks to reply . Hey Wilhelm I heard
you were caught masturbating in a tree.... that can't be true can it ?
I await your response .
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? If 'BOTH' Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly
indicated in 'BOTH' mine 'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked
for payment, I would have sent it with no questions asked.
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
----
RGP Loner
> On May 5, 1:27 am, "RGP Loner" <aaaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On May 5 2011 1:44 AM, William Coleman wrote:
>
> > > On May 4, 11:12 pm, "RGP Loner" <aaaa...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > > Remember, the government told us that the building did not fall at free
> > > > fall speed, then 3 years later the government was forced to concede
that
> > > > the building DID in fact free fall.
>
> > > NO, THE GOVERNMENT DID NOT CONCEDE ANY SUCH THING. THIS IDIOTIC CLAIM
>
> > Yes the final NIST report did state that the building wtc7 fell at free
fall..
>
> No it did not. You are lying.
>
> > after originally stating that free fall was impossible..
> > I read the NIST report.
>
> So did I.
>
> > Nist admits freefall.
>
> No they do not.
>
> > In the NIST preliminary
> > report on WTC7 it denied that freefall took place. Those are the facts..
> > I don't care about your old links that were written before the NIST report
> > was finalized.
>
> All of my links were to the final report.
>
> > They prove nothing and NOT A SINGLE ONE OF YOUR OUTDATED
> > AND DEAD END LINKS DISCUSSED FREEFALL of wtc7.
>
> Because there was no freefall of WTC7.
>
> > Care to correct me ? I didn't think so .
>
> I already corrected you, numbnuts. I spent several hours doing the
> research and writing the posts which completely blew your bullshit out
> of the water. I am not going to waste more time on it.
>
> A basic characteristic of intelligent people is that they accept
> correction. You do not accept correction.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
Here is my proof that NIST is a group of government liars. I challenge you
to show me something relevant that contradicts this information. I knew
you couldn't.
NIST FINALLY admits to free fall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eDvNS9iMjzA
Nist caught in the big LIE.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iXTlaqXsm4k
NIST FINALLY admits to free fall.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw
I challenge you to a debate , you masterdebator.
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? If 'BOTH' Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly
indicated in 'BOTH' mine 'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked
for payment, I would have sent it with no questions asked.
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
_______________________________________________________________________
William Coleman
> Show me just one link dealing with freefall of wtc7. just one. you
> spent so much time ( hours, really I'm impressed) that a link should be at
> your finger tips .
Here are the two posts for which you had NO ANSWER --
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/516b6adec8a40ebe
http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/f350764d986cc68b
You responded to the first post, but only the portion about
nanothermite.
You had absolutely no response to the second post.
You can view the entire thread by clicking the thread link at the top
of each post.
I said everything I had to say on the subject of WTC7 freefall in
those two posts, so don't expect any further response from me on this
subject.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
William Coleman
> Here is my proof that NIST is a group of government liars.
Yeah. All the guys with doctorates in physics and structural
engineering are liars, but the high school physics teacher knows the
truth.
> I challenge you to show me something relevant that contradicts this information.
Sure. That's easy. Your high school physics teacher deliberately
misrepresents what NIST said in their final report. He claims they
acknowledged that the entire building was in freefall for about 2.25
seconds. As I have repeatedly pointed out, NIST actually said that a
portion of the north face was in freefall for that time period.
This is the same lie that you keep repeating, and the same lie which I
pointed out in the link you gave in our previous discussion.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
RGP Loner
Well then let me give you my response, by all means .
You continually refer to the NIST report on building 7 . This report was
not signed off on by any engineers. The report was also not peer reviewed.
But you don't care. You just hold up the Nist report and say case solved .
For those that care to learn the truth I give you this video as to why
the NIST report is part of the coverup.
Why the NIST report on WTC7 is unscientific and false
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V0WQFztLyg&feature=related
WTC7: NIST Finally Admits Freefall (Part III)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3mudruFzNw
So tell me now how 'scientific' that NIST report is. It is an obvious
coverup . Answer me one question. Why hasn't NIST released the computer
data they used in there simulation. Because they would be laughed at.
Just like you are being laughed at.
In 2006 or so . Zogby released a poll that showed a majority of Americans
didn't believe the government version of events on 911. Do you think that
number has gotten smaller? LOL you are so outnumbered by the truth that
you are finding yourself desperate to lie about the facts.
What is NIST Hiding? Don't you care?
I'll take that as a yes, on the tree activity thing.
******************************
$50 says 'NEITHER' Annette 'NOR' Hellmuth cashes in the 2010 WSOP main
event.
--XaQ Morphy
Uhh, excuse me? If 'BOTH' Hellmuth 'AND' Annette cashed as was clearly
indicated in 'BOTH' mine 'AND' Alan's posts, 'AND' Alan would have asked
for payment, I would have sent it with no questions asked.
You are right though, I did not think I had a bet with Alan
--XaQ Morphy
---
William Coleman
And here is my proof that David Chandler, the high school physics
teacher who made the videos you linked, is a totally whacked out 9/11
truther nutcase --
http://screwloosechange.blogspot.com/search/label/David%20Chandler
William Coleman (ramashiva)
William Coleman
> You continually refer to the NIST report on building 7 . This report was
> not signed off on by any engineers. The report was also not peer reviewed.
> But you don't care. You just hold up the Nist report and say case solved.
No, of course I said no such thing. This discussion started because
you made the erroneous and debunked assertion that NIST's final report
said that WTC7 fell at freefall.
The links I provided conclusively debunk that assertion. You had no
answer to those posts previously, and you have no answer to those
posts now. You lied, and I exposed that lie. Now you want to have a
debate about whether the NIST report is part of a government coverup.
I'll pass on that. I have more important things to do, like catalog
my collection of antique spatulas.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
VegasJerry
> On May 4 2011 7:27 PM, DDawgster wrote:
>
> > one phoney conspiracy claim at a time please
>
> Did you bother to read the article? This guy claims to have firsthand
> knowledge, as told to him directly from a high-ranking military general,
> that 9/11 was a false flag attack orchestrated by the Bush Administration.
> He names names. And he says he's willing to testify before a grand jury!!!
> This is HUGE.
>
> This guy is no tinfoil-hatter – he's worked directly with Reagan, Bush Sr,
> Nixon, Ford, Carter, Kissinger, and James Baker, and has held positions in
> the inner circles of the White House, State Department, and the
> intelligence community. He's a member of the CFR, for Chrissakes!
>
> He's also on record as stating his belief that bin Laden's been dead for
> nearly a decade, a sentiment which I've stated on numerous occasions.
>
> Read the damn article, Doggy. This is an extremely accomplished Washington
> insider making some VERY serious accusations.
YEA, AND DON'T FORGET: THEY HAVE WMD; THEY CAN ATTACK US IN 15-MINUTES;
AND THAT'S A GUARANTEED, NO QUESTION, ON GOOD AUTHORITY; BY YOUR CIA; SLAM
DUNK!
-------
bub
wrote:
> THEY CAN ATTACK US IN 15-MINUTES;
>AND THAT'S A GUARANTEED, NO QUESTION, ON GOOD AUTHORITY; BY YOUR CIA; SLAM
>DUNK!
libya?
mo_charles
> > knowledge, as told to him directly from a high-ranking military general,
> > that 9/11 was a false flag attack orchestrated by the Bush Administration.
> > He names names. And he says he's willing to testify before a grand jury!!!
> > This is HUGE.
> >
> > This guy is no tinfoil-hatter – he's worked directly with Reagan, Bush Sr,
> > Nixon, Ford, Carter, Kissinger, and James Baker, and has held positions in
> > the inner circles of the White House, State Department, and the
> > intelligence community. He's a member of the CFR, for Chrissakes!
> >
> > He's also on record as stating his belief that bin Laden's been dead for
> > nearly a decade, a sentiment which I've stated on numerous occasions.
> >
> > Read the damn article, Doggy. This is an extremely accomplished Washington
> > insider making some VERY serious accusations.
>
> YEA, AND DON'T FORGET: THEY HAVE WMD; THEY CAN ATTACK US IN 15-MINUTES;
> AND THAT'S A GUARANTEED, NO QUESTION, ON GOOD AUTHORITY; BY YOUR CIA; SLAM
> DUNK!
you've inadvertently stumbled on some spending we can cut.
congratulations! can you think of ANYMORE?
mo_charles
------
ChrisRobin
> I dismiss him because not a single one of his alleged high-level contacts in
> his 30-year career has come forward to verify anything he says (to my
> knowledge), he provides no proof at all to corroborate his allegations, and
> his story has not been subjected to critical vetting by any reputable news
> organization, not to mention that in order for him to be telling the truth,
> there have to be scores of officials from the President to Leon Panetta on
> down lying.
Well, yeah. That's, uh, politics.
In fact former government officials have come forward – Paul Craig Roberts
and Catherine Austin Fitts come to mind. Cynthia McKinney was also very
outspoken, but her "uppity" nature earned her retirement from the Congress.
"Reputable news organization"... lol!
> It is possible that they are all lying and Pieczenik is the only one telling
> the truth, but HTF can you just accept it at face value?
Anything's possible. I accept nothing at face value. But for this guy to
risk his career, his reputation, and very possibly his life... he's worth
listening to, at the very least. There's a good chance he's full of shit,
has an axe to grind, or whatever. But I want to HEAR it for myself.
> And, false flag operations have occurred, but the only people I ever hear
> use that term are absolute kooks.
Perhaps you should expand your social circle?
> >> Let me ask you something: Why do you seem to accept what this guy says
> >> without demanding any proof from him? He claims to have found out that
> >> Bin
> >> Laden died from "intelligence rosters." What are those? He and Jones
> >> indicate that pretty much everyone in the government knew about Bin
> >> Laden's
> >> death. Do you really believe that so many people can keep a secret like
> >> that? I listen to Alex Jones and guys like Pieczenik and just think that
> >> they prey on gullible, paranoid people.
> >
> > Of course we want proof. This guy's offering to testify in front of a
> > grand jury. Would that satisfy you?
>
>
> Of course not. If even a single other high-level government official came
> forward and said, "look, I've known Dr. Pieczenik for 30 years and I can
> verify that he is corret," then I would listen.
So your credibility threshold is... one? OK, noted.
> >> Plus Pieczenik is CFR. How do you know it's not a sooper-sekrit double
> >> false-flag, hmmm? Paul???
> >
> > I certainly would not rule out the possibility that this is part of some
> > misinformation campaign. But I suppose we'll never be able to make that
> > determination if we dismiss him out of hand and label him a "kook," now
> > will we?
>
>
> What other resolution is there? There is every reason to believe President
> Obama and none to belive Dr. Pieczenik.
"Every reason?" Now you're being childish.
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BillB
"ChrisRobin" <a9d...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>There's a good chance he's full of shit
Ya think? LOL!
He has information that will break the 9/11 story wide open. He is ready to
NAME NAMES...but ONLY in a grand jury that he knows with 99.999% certainty
will never be assembled. That makes a whole lot of sense.
What is he selling?
John the Savage
> He has information that will break the 9/11 story wide open. He is ready to
> NAME NAMES...but ONLY in a grand jury that he knows with 99.999% certainty
> will never be assembled. That makes a whole lot of sense.
Forget about this guy. Do *you* think it's strange that the last
interactive episode with bin Laden was in 2001? Do you think it's
strange that the last video released in 2007, which was celebrated as
proof of his existence because he mentioned current events, had its
video mysteriously frozen during those portions that mentioned current
events?
There has been no incontrovertible credible evidence released to prove
his existence for nearly ten years. Nor has there been such evidence
presented tying him to 9/11. Does this plant even a seed of doubt in
your mind?
John the Savage
> On May 4 2011 9:51 PM, Mossingen wrote:
>
>> I dismiss him because not a single one of his alleged high-level contacts in
>> his 30-year career has come forward to verify anything he says (to my
>> knowledge), he provides no proof at all to corroborate his allegations, and
>> his story has not been subjected to critical vetting by any reputable news
>> organization, not to mention that in order for him to be telling the truth,
>> there have to be scores of officials from the President to Leon Panetta on
>> down lying.
>
> Well, yeah. That's, uh, politics.
LOL. Mossingen is a funny poster. He dismisses your idea out of hand
because it requires lots of public officials to be lying, including the
director of the CIA. Imagine that, the CIA keeping secrets for years?!
How positively preposterous!
It's not as if elected officials are actually making the policy
decisions, anyway. If they were, you would expect these policy
decisions to meaningfully change when we elect a new President, as new
Presidents typically replace tons of personnel in ostensibly important
positions. And yet, while the personnel changes, the policies remain
the same. WTF was Leon Panetta doing since his time as Clinton's CoS,
anyway? Since he was hiding out during the Bush years, and was
apparently not associated with those policies, he was an easier pass
than Obama's reportedly first choice, John Brenner. But Brenner is
still involved, and so is Gates, and it's the same "think tanks" making
the decisions as it was when Bush was in power, or Clinton, and so on.
mo_charles
OH MY. please, refrain from lying about getting a phd in science.
PLEASE, YOU'RE KILLING ME.
mo_charles
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John the Savage
>
> OH MY. please, refrain from lying about getting a phd in science.
> PLEASE, YOU'RE KILLING ME.
>
Hey mo, wasn't it you who just recently criticized another poster for
bringing up real life situations? I can find the post for you if you
feel like denying it. I find it pretty humorous, since you are always
eager to bring up my real life for no apparent reason, and in fact you
are the only RGPer who has taken to calling me here by my real first
name, since you learnt what it was. Get over it, dude. If you have
something to say about the questions I asked, let's hear it, otherwise
why don't you get back to eTrade, you big baby.
Mossingen
news:c380728a-e1e0-47e8...@17g2000prr.googlegroups.com...
The links I provided conclusively debunk that assertion. You had no
answer to those posts previously, and you have no answer to those
posts now. You lied, and I exposed that lie. Now you want to have a
debate about whether the NIST report is part of a government coverup.
I'll pass on that. I have more important things to do, like catalog
my collection of antique spatulas.
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Yep. I'm glad to see this exchange. It lets me know that some discussions
are just pointless.
William Coleman
> LOL. Mossingen is a funny poster. He dismisses your idea out of hand
> because it requires lots of public officials to be lying, including the
> director of the CIA. Imagine that, the CIA keeping secrets for years?!
> How positively preposterous!
Yes, it is positively preposterous. You and Chris are both so far
through the looking glass on your claims that Osama has been dead for
ten years that you can't see that what you are saying doesn't pass the
laugh test.
If Osama has been dead for ten years, then the entire raid on
Abbottabad was a hoax. President Obama and his entire national
security team, knowing that Osama was already dead, decided to plan
and execute a gigantic hoax and claim that they had killed Osama.
That's what Pieczenik is claiming --
http://www.prisonplanet.com/top-us-government-insider-bin-laden-died-in-2001-911-a-false-flag.html
“Did the intelligence community or the CIA doctor up this situation,
the answer is yes, categorically yes,” said Pieczenik, referring to
Sunday’s claim that Bin Laden was killed at his compound in Pakistan,
adding, “This whole scenario where you see a bunch of people sitting
there looking at a screen and they look as if they’re intense, that’s
nonsense,” referring to the images released by the White House which
claim to show Biden, Obama and Hillary Clinton watching the operation
to kill Bin Laden live on a television screen.
“It’s a total make-up, make believe, we’re in an American theater of
the absurd….why are we doing this again….nine years ago this man was
already dead….why does the government repeatedly have to lie to the
American people,” asked Pieczenik.
“Osama Bin Laden was totally dead, so there’s no way they could have
attacked or confronted or killed Osama Bin laden,” said Pieczenik,
joking that the only way it could have happened was if special forces
had attacked a mortuary.
Pieczenik said that the decision to launch the hoax now was made
because Obama had reached a low with plummeting approval ratings and
the fact that the birther issue was blowing up in his face.
“He had to prove that he was more than American….he had to be
aggressive,” said Pieczenik, adding that the farce was also a way of
isolating Pakistan as a retaliation for intense opposition to the
Predator drone program, which has killed hundreds of Pakistanis.
“This is orchestrated, I mean when you have people sitting around and
watching a sitcom, basically the operations center of the White House,
and you have a president coming out almost zombie-like telling you
they just killed Osama Bin Laden who was already dead nine years ago,”
said Pieczenik, calling the episode, “the greatest falsehood I’ve ever
heard, I mean it was absurd.”
These are the ravings of a mad man. Like I said, it doesn't pass the
laugh test. Since the direct logical implication of the "Osama has
been dead for ten years" hypothesis doesn't pass the laugh test,
neither does the hypothesis itself.
When you and Chris recover your ability to think logically, you will
both realize that the events of the past week have proven beyond
reasonable doubt that Osama has not been dead for ten years.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
John the Savage
>
> When you and Chris recover your ability to think logically, you will
> both realize that the events of the past week have proven beyond
> reasonable doubt that Osama has not been dead for ten years.
>
If you had told me there would be a successful raid on Osama's hideout,
and that he would be killed by American forces, I would have guessed
there would have been proof presented, such that all doubt could be laid
to rest. But, rather surprisingly, it hasn't been presented. This is
not just about silencing conspiracy theorists, this is information the
rest of the world is entitled to, especially if you expect them to take
your claims at face value.
I am just asking some questions. I am not on board with everything this
guy says, just because I attacked Mossingen's argument against him.
There has been nothing but audio tape for the last four years. The 2007
video has the suspicious freezes I described during the portions where
he speaks about current events. And consider this. Now we learn that
Osama has been hiding in this compound for five years. Isn't that what
we've been told? So, in that context, consider the things we've heard
in those five years about his location; generally these claims from
politicians and intelligence agencies are the best evidence provided for
his existence. The trail of "sightings" from the last five years
includes everything but:
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Location_of_Osama_bin_Laden
November, 2008:
CIA Director Michael Hayden, in a speech to the Atlantic Council, states
that bin Laden is probably hiding in the tribal area of northwest
Pakistan and that his capture remains a top U.S. priority. Hayden states
that Bin Laden is "putting a lot of energy into his own survival, a lot
of energy into his own security. In fact, he appears to be largely
isolated from the day-to-day operations of the organization he nominally
heads."
March, 2009:
The New York Daily News reported that the hunt for bin Laden had
centered in the Chitral District of Pakistan, including the Kalam
Valley. According to the report, author Rohan Gunaratna states that
captured Al-Qaeda leaders have confirmed that Chitral is where bin Laden
is hiding.
December, 2009:
BBC reports of informant having knowledge of bin Laden in Ghazni, south
east Afghanistan in early 2009
June, 2010:
The Israeli-based intelligence news service DEBKAfile reports that bin
Laden and top lieutenants have been living in the remote mountainous
town of Sabzevar in northeastern Iran for the past five years, and that
Turkish intelligence officials were aware of it.
June, 2010:
Panetta states that "He is, as is obvious, in very deep hiding. He's in
an area of the tribal areas of Pakistan, that is very difficult. The
terrain is probably the most difficult in the world...All I can tell you
is it's in the tribal areas...we know that he's located in that vicinity."
----
So, I guess, all of this was just wrong as fuck? Lies? Or honest
mistakes?
Finally in late 2010 we hear that he might also be spending some time
comfortably in the city. And this, of course, is in contrast to many
news sources that reported during this time that bin Laden was suspected
to be dead. Nothing to see here, right, William? No reason for me to
be suspicious. The events of the last week have convincingly put to
rest any doubt that Osama might have been dead for years (and I don't
have to mean ten), and that the USA (along with other interested and
friendly foreign agencies, such as Isreal and France) might have faked
this whole operation to get rid of him when it was most expedient (who
cares about Libya anymore?), and that they might have perpetrated the
myth of him being alive for similar reasons. Have they? I guess we'll
see. Believe me, I don't want to believe this stuff either. It's
whacked out! And I'm not saying I do believe this stuff. I'm just
asking questions for fun, ok??
ChrisRobin
> Yes, it is positively preposterous. You and Chris are both so far
> through the looking glass on your claims that Osama has been dead for
> ten years that you can't see that what you are saying doesn't pass the
> laugh test.
>
> If Osama has been dead for ten years, then the entire raid on
> Abbottabad was a hoax. President Obama and his entire national
> security team, knowing that Osama was already dead, decided to plan
> and execute a gigantic hoax and claim that they had killed Osama.
> That's what Pieczenik is claiming --
I fail to see why this idea is as absurd as you suggest. Apparently you've
never worked in the PR industry. Manufacturing reality is a lot easier
than you think.
The "laugh test?" Yeah, there's a serious metric.
> When you and Chris recover your ability to think logically, you will
> both realize that the events of the past week have proven beyond
> reasonable doubt that Osama has not been dead for ten years.
Because some government officials said some stuff on the teevee? Sorry,
but you're going to have to do better than that.
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ChrisRobin
> Y'know what I was thinking earlier, Chris? What if you were charged
> with a crime and you seriously were being framed by a real government
> conspiracy. And let's say you're kinda broke and cannot afford a big
> fancy lawyer. So anyway, you're sitting in the holding cell, and they
> announce that a public defender has been appointed for you and that he
> is here to discuss the case with you. Suddenly, in walks Mossingen.
> lol HOW D'YA LIKE YOUR CHANCES NOW? lol Omg, you're so fucked.
> Just shoot me now and get it over with.
Don't get me started on the lawyers. Grrrrrr.
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William Coleman
> On May 5 2011 11:53 AM, William Coleman wrote:
> > Yes, it is positively preposterous. You and Chris are both so far
> > through the looking glass on your claims that Osama has been dead for
> > ten years that you can't see that what you are saying doesn't pass the
> > laugh test.
> > If Osama has been dead for ten years, then the entire raid on
> > Abbottabad was a hoax. President Obama and his entire national
> > security team, knowing that Osama was already dead, decided to plan
> > and execute a gigantic hoax and claim that they had killed Osama.
> > That's what Pieczenik is claiming --
> I fail to see why this idea is as absurd as you suggest.
You fail to see that it is totally absurd and laughable to claim that
President Obama and his entire national security team, including
Hillary Clinton, deliberately planned and executed a gigantic hoax,
knowing that Osama was already dead???
You have serious sanity issues. Extreme paranoia among others.
> > These are the ravings of a mad man. Like I said, it doesn't pass the
> > laugh test. Since the direct logical implication of the "Osama has
> > been dead for ten years" hypothesis doesn't pass the laugh test,
> > neither does the hypothesis itself.
> The "laugh test?" Yeah, there's a serious metric.
Yes it is a serious metric. When you make assumptions that lead to
absurd, laughable, and preposterous conclusions, those assumptions
also become absurd, laughable, and preposterous.
> > When you and Chris recover your ability to think logically, you will
> > both realize that the events of the past week have proven beyond
> > reasonable doubt that Osama has not been dead for ten years.
> Because some government officials said some stuff on the teevee? Sorry,
> but you're going to have to do better than that.
No I do not. Not for any sane, rational, reasonable person. It is
quite obvious that none of those adjectives apply to you.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
ChrisRobin
> On May 5, 10:15 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > On May 5 2011 11:53 AM, William Coleman wrote:
>
> > > Yes, it is positively preposterous. You and Chris are both so far
> > > through the looking glass on your claims that Osama has been dead for
> > > ten years that you can't see that what you are saying doesn't pass the
> > > laugh test.
>
> > > If Osama has been dead for ten years, then the entire raid on
> > > Abbottabad was a hoax. President Obama and his entire national
> > > security team, knowing that Osama was already dead, decided to plan
> > > and execute a gigantic hoax and claim that they had killed Osama.
> > > That's what Pieczenik is claiming --
>
> > I fail to see why this idea is as absurd as you suggest.
>
> You fail to see that it is totally absurd and laughable to claim that
> President Obama and his entire national security team, including
> Hillary Clinton, deliberately planned and executed a gigantic hoax,
> knowing that Osama was already dead???
Did I stutter?
> You have serious sanity issues. Extreme paranoia among others.
"Never trust anything the government says until it is officially denied"
is my motto going forward. Maybe that makes me crazy, or perhaps just
minimally observant. Time will tell.
> > > These are the ravings of a mad man. Like I said, it doesn't pass the
> > > laugh test. Since the direct logical implication of the "Osama has
> > > been dead for ten years" hypothesis doesn't pass the laugh test,
> > > neither does the hypothesis itself.
>
> > The "laugh test?" Yeah, there's a serious metric.
>
> Yes it is a serious metric. When you make assumptions that lead to
> absurd, laughable, and preposterous conclusions, those assumptions
> also become absurd, laughable, and preposterous.
I have seen no credible evidence that convinces me that ObL has been alive
since 2001/2002. Many reports surfaced back then claiming he suffered from
renal disease that required dialysis, and I have seen others suggesting
that he had Marfan syndrome, a rare degenerative tissue disease. That
seems to indicate a rather short life expectancy for a fugitive on the run.
> > > When you and Chris recover your ability to think logically, you will
> > > both realize that the events of the past week have proven beyond
> > > reasonable doubt that Osama has not been dead for ten years.
>
> > Because some government officials said some stuff on the teevee? Sorry,
> > but you're going to have to do better than that.
>
> No I do not. Not for any sane, rational, reasonable person. It is
> quite obvious that none of those adjectives apply to you.
Perhaps not. But maybe that's the mindset needed to fully understand our
political system and foreign policy, which make a mockery of everything
sane, rational and reasonable on a regular basis.
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VegasJerry
So what would be proof to you?
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