Regarding recgroups...

[brewmaster]

It seems like recgroups was keeping rgp alive. It might be done now.


From Talisto (creator of recgroups)


We're still on, but the situation is unfortunately a little grim at
the moment; the upstream newsgroup provider that RecGroups has been
using for the past few years has suddenly decided to go "read only",
essentially disallowing any posting privileges. Which means that
messages can come into RecGroups, but nothing can go out. Obviously
that's no good for us.

The big problem is that it's really difficult to find an upstream
provider that allows service-level posting (i.e. posting from more
than one individual, such as what RecGroups requires), without it
costing a boatload of money as a "commercial" service. Since
RecGroups makes exactly zero income as it is a membership-free and
advertising-free service (actually, less than zero, since I'm paying
for hosting fees), I'm not currently in a situation where paying
hundreds of dollars a month for a commercial NNTP feed makes economic
sense.

I'm looking for other options, but it may take a little while for me
to find a solution that is going to fit. I'll keep y'all posted on my
progress, though. If you have any questions please use the "Contact
Us" button.

Thanks,
Talisto
RecGroups Developer/Administrator

[fffurken]

Thank you for info brew, even if it doesn't sound good.

[ramashiva]

Recgroups has always been a POS. I really don't understand why anyone
uses it. The software hasn't been updated since 2004. If you want a
newsreader format, get a newsreader. Eternal September offers free
usenet service. Outlook Express is still servicable, especially if
you tweak it so it will quote Google Groups properly. I don't believe
other newsreaders have that problem, including Windows Live Mail.

According to CNET, Windows Live Mail can be downloaded for Windows XP
--

http://download.cnet.com/Windows-Live-Mail/3000-2367_4-98282.html

But I am not sure about that. Windows Live Mail is definitely
available for Windows Vista and Windows 7.

And then there is Google Groups, which I personally prefer. I used
Outlook Express for years, and I find GG more convenient and easier to
read threads. I also like that whenever someone posts to a thread,
that thread is bumped to the top of the stack, and you see the name of
the last poster in the thread. So if it's somebody like Jerry or
fffurken, don't even bother.

If someone can explain to me how to do that in Outlook Express, I
would be very interested. I would also be interested if that is
possible with Windows Live Mail.


William "The Life" Coleman (ramashiva)

[brewmaster]

I use recgroups because it has the only interface that syncs my account between the 4 computers I use on a regular basis and shows the posts in a threaded format that is easy to follow (2+2's threading format it an abomination, and I can no longer get Google Groups to even display in a threaded format, it will only display in a flat format, and I can't tell who is responding to who anymore).

[ramashiva]

On May 27, 4:21 pm, brewmaster <agilbertc...@gmail.com> wrote:

> I use recgroups because it has the only interface that syncs my account between the 4 computers I use on a regular basis and shows the posts in a threaded format that is easy to follow (2+2's threading format it an abomination, and I can no longer get Google Groups to even display in a threaded format, it will only display in a flat format, and I can't tell who is responding to who anymore).

Well, Google Groups will definitely sync your account between multiple
computers. What exactly do you mean by sync? Does recgroups remember
what posts you have read on different computers? Google Groups won't
do that as far as I know, but as long as you are signed in, GG takes
you to the first unread post on the current computer when you click on
a thread.

You are right, GG no longer offers the option to see a threaded tree
view. As long as the post you are reading quotes the post to which it
is replying, I don't see a problem. What I really like about reading
a thread in flat format is the ability to read a thread by scrolling,
instead of clicking on each post.

Anyway, it looks like recgroups is toast, so you need to switch to GG
or start using a newsreader.

[brewmaster]

On Sunday, May 27, 2012 4:35:58 PM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:
> On May 27, 4:21 pm, brewmaster <agilbertc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I use recgroups because it has the only interface that syncs my account between the 4 computers I use on a regular basis and shows the posts in a threaded format that is easy to follow (2+2's threading format it an abomination, and I can no longer get Google Groups to even display in a threaded format, it will only display in a flat format, and I can't tell who is responding to who anymore).
>
> Well, Google Groups will definitely sync your account between multiple
> computers. What exactly do you mean by sync? Does recgroups remember
> what posts you have read on different computers?

Yes, if I read a post on recgroups on one computer, when I go to recgroups on another computer it knows every post I've read on the other computer. In essence, the view is identical. Also, I like the feature in recgroups where I can "colorize" a poster, and hence know who I want to read, and who I don't. And it has a killfile.

> Google Groups won't
> do that as far as I know, but as long as you are signed in, GG takes
> you to the first unread post on the current computer when you click on
> a thread.
>
> You are right, GG no longer offers the option to see a threaded tree
> view. As long as the post you are reading quotes the post to which it
> is replying, I don't see a problem. What I really like about reading
> a thread in flat format is the ability to read a thread by scrolling,
> instead of clicking on each post.

I like being able to turn the disclosure triangle, find that the subthread is Clave > Pepe > Clave > Pepe > Clave > Pepe... and just turn the triangle again to close the subthread and mark it read, I don't want to scroll through all that shit.

>
> Anyway, it looks like recgroups is toast, so you need to switch to GG
> or start using a newsreader.

Yup.

[Tad Perry]

Well, it does filter out the people that can only use a web-based GUI.
The people too dumb to figure out how, despite being instructed in detail,
can just take a hike, AFAIC.
Although it's a not-for-profit venture, I've never seen a real need, unless
you're too lazy or too dumb to go Eternal September or use Google Groups, if
that's too hard.
RGP and other newsgroups can ALL be read without Recgroups.
All the features Brew says he likes about Recgroups (stated later in this
thread) are available by other means.
It's not rgp that's dead; it's Recgroups that's dead.
They never were, and never will be, the same thing, although a lot of people
were too dumb to know the difference.

tvp

[brewmaster]

Tad,

Please tell me how I can use Eternal September (I have an account) so I can read rgp on multiple computers, and have it be clear to me when the threads are synced what has already been read on another computer? Also, I only use Macs, so what app do you recommend that works well to sync articles, thread them, mark them to show what I've already read, and can do so in a couple of seconds, like recgroups can? YOU may not like the recgroups interface to rgp, but lots of us do, for a variety of reasons.

[Tad Perry]

Synchronization Settings.

> Also, I only use Macs, so what app do you recommend that
> works well to sync articles, thread them, mark them to show what I've
> already read, and can do so in a couple of seconds, like recgroups
> can?

Don't expect me to know Mac apps. I don't. But I'm sure you can find
something if you look.

> YOU may not like the recgroups interface to rgp, but lots of us
> do, for a variety of reasons.

Like being in love with the WWW and not being able to use a computer any
other way?

"Boo hoo. Recgroups doesn't work anymore and I don't know what to do..."

No sympathy, pal.

tvp

[otter]

On May 27, 6:35 pm, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 27, 4:21 pm, brewmaster <agilbertc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I use recgroups because it has the only interface that syncs my account between the 4 computers I use on a regular basis and shows the posts in a threaded format that is easy to follow (2+2's threading format it an abomination, and I can no longer get Google Groups to even display in a threaded format, it will only display in a flat format, and I can't tell who is responding to who anymore).
>
> Well, Google Groups will definitely sync your account between multiple
> computers.  What exactly do you mean by sync?  Does recgroups remember
> what posts you have read on different computers?  Google Groups won't
> do that as far as I know, but as long as you are signed in, GG takes
> you to the first unread post on the current computer when you click on
> a thread.
>
> You are right, GG no longer offers the option to see a threaded tree
> view.  As long as the post you are reading quotes the post to which it
> is replying, I don't see a problem.  What I really like about reading
> a thread in flat format is the ability to read a thread by scrolling,
> instead of clicking on each post.

The old Google Groups format is still available. I switched back to
it after getting fed up with the new format.

I really don't know why they are trying to force the new format down
everyone's throat. It has no advantages that I can see. They may be
doing it just to kill off the use of usenet as much as possible. I'm
sure it must be a drain on profits.

[ramashiva]

On May 27, 9:48 pm, otter <bighorn_b...@hotmail.com> wrote:

> On May 27, 6:35 pm, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> > You are right, GG no longer offers the option to see a threaded tree
> > view.  As long as the post you are reading quotes the post to which it
> > is replying, I don't see a problem.  What I really like about reading
> > a thread in flat format is the ability to read a thread by scrolling,
> > instead of clicking on each post.

> The old Google Groups format is still available.  I switched back to
> it after getting fed up with the new format.

Yes, I am well aware that the old Google Groups format is still
available. That's what I am using. However, there used to be an
option at the top of the page to see a threaded tree view, where you
could see exactly who was replying to whom. That's gone now.

[brewmaster]

Uh...I know what to do, I'm a software engineer ffs, I can do lots of things with computers. What i'm saying is that recrgoups is a lot more convenient to use to read rgp than anything else that is available. Since, IMO, rgp is barely interesting anymore, if I have to go to much less convenient resources to continue to read it, I (and lots of others) probably won't. I'm reading it at the moment on GG, but, as William said, even in the old format there is no longer a tree view. Without that, it is virtually unusable.

[otter]

Huh? I'm viewing it as a threaded tree.

Is there a dark grey bar that says "Regarding recgroups..."? On the
right side of it, click "Options". Then on the left, you can choose
"View as tree".

[brewmaster]

I switched back to the old google groups, and found the view as tree
option, thanks. However, it says that old GG will go away shortly. I
guess I'll use this until it does.

[brewmaster]

Sorry, forgot this

Alan "The Hope" Gilbert

[Clave]

"brewmaster" <agilbe...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:848829fa-2d6b-4b36...@st3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> Alan "The Hopeless" Gilbert

FYP

[ramashiva]

O I C. It's on the title bar of each thread. I was thinking it was
on the front page topic list.

[VegasJerry]

On Sunday, May 27, 2012 9:48:22 PM UTC-7, otter wrote:
> On May 27, 6:35 pm, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 27, 4:21 pm, brewmaster <agilbertc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >

> ...........

>
> They may be doing it just to kill off the use of usenet as much as
> possible. I'm sure it must be a drain on profits.

BINGO! I've said it before, I'll say it again; usenet will die.

Usenet will die.

It's not very complicate, you simply "follow the money." This is more than a movie axiom. It fits in business, politics and everyday life. Jesus, just look around you.

I've been in on this from the very beginning. The Portland computer meetings in the early 80's were the biggest in the world. The big brains from Seattle would come down and we've had over a hindered of us nerds and hackers tripping over each other. People showing hints and tricks and applications. Computers, cables, impromptu gatherings, representatives from computers, magazines, (and soon to be magazines) computer reps all over the place.

I gave classes; sold 24 computer magazine articles; was in two Best Of books; a beta tester under contract and was in on the original discussion groups on how the Internet should be operated. The biggest item of discussion was, "Should the Internet be Commercial." I voted, No. I was wrong.

It went commercial and it should have. It needed the money. And now it's about the money. You do any sports? Amateur golf? Motorcycle racing? It's all commercial. Anything having to do with a product will have sponsors there. When the Baja 500 race in Mexico started a number of us from our motorcycle club decided to go race. How foolish. From the very beginning the Ford's and Chevy's and Honda's were there with their pit crews and helicopters. Hobby sports ain't nothing.

It's all about the money. Usenet? I tried switching from Outlook express, and GigiThing, RPG and all that tweaking. But screw it. No more tweaking or programming or writing code (other than 'programming' Excel). I'm an end user now. Buy it and use it. If there is no commercial value to usenet it will die. I'll stay and play, until the day of death.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[hot dawgs]

testing

[DELETETHIS]

news.eternal-september.org

It is not perfect but it works for a limited number of groups and poker
is one. If you require a provider to do your bidding - look around and
I am sure there is a fee based service that meets your need

For those wondering how to set it up, I use Thunderbird for mail and
newgroups and it will almost configure itself and with the help menu a
golden retriever could do it. I would imagine outlook express would be
about the same

[ramashiva]

On May 28, 12:10 pm, DELETETHIS <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> news.eternal-september.org

> It is not perfect but it works for a limited number of groups and poker
> is one.  If you require a provider to do your bidding - look around and
> I am sure there is a fee based service that meets your need

> For those wondering how to set it up, I use Thunderbird for mail and
> newgroups and it will almost configure itself and with the help menu a
> golden retriever could do it. I would imagine outlook express would be
> about the same

Three different posters have already mentioned Eternal September as an
option in this thread, so I don't understand why you are posting this.

AND STOP TOP POSTING!

[DELETETHIS]

Thanks for the lesson in newsgroup etiquette". I have been posting in
newsgroups before you got your 1st PC and LONG ago many of us decided
top replies were much more efficient than below the quote. WE decided is
was quicker than scrolling thur long post while still allowing people to
read the post if they wanted. I do understand that some of the newer
people with nothing else to do enjoy scrolling down. I prefer top
replies and will continue to post that way

AS for the repeat of September - more than one person here has inquired
about how to set it up and it was my intent to tell them that most of
the newsreaders make it easy to set up. Unlike many here I try to help
rather than spend all my time tearing down - try it - you may improve
your outlook on life

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"DELETETHIS" <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jq1cgf$mua$1...@dont-email.me...

> Thanks for the lesson in newsgroup etiquette". I have been posting in
> newsgroups before you got your 1st PC and LONG ago many of us decided top
> replies were much more efficient than below the quote. WE decided is was
> quicker than scrolling thur long post while still allowing people to read
> the post if they wanted. I do understand that some of the newer people
> with nothing else to do enjoy scrolling down. I prefer top replies and
> will continue to post that way
>
> AS for the repeat of September - more than one person here has inquired
> about how to set it up and it was my intent to tell them that most of the
> newsreaders make it easy to set up. Unlike many here I try to help rather
> than spend all my time tearing down - try it - you may improve your
> outlook on life

Willie is an angry, bitter soul

[Vince]

On 5/28/2012 7:29 PM, DELETETHIS wrote:
> Thanks for the lesson in newsgroup etiquette". I have been posting in
> newsgroups before you got your 1st PC and LONG ago many of us decided
> top replies were much more efficient than below the quote. WE decided
> is was quicker than scrolling thur long post while still allowing
> people to read the post if they wanted. I do understand that some of
> the newer people with nothing else to do enjoy scrolling down. I
> prefer top replies and will continue to post that way
>
> AS for the repeat of September - more than one person here has
> inquired about how to set it up and it was my intent to tell them that
> most of the newsreaders make it easy to set up. Unlike many here I
> try to help rather than spend all my time tearing down - try it - you
> may improve your outlook on life
>

I wonder if you could help me. I recently started using Thunderbird, and
tried to setup two news servers. One AIOE was successful, and the other,
Teranews wasn't.
Could you tell me how to delete the Teranews account in Thunderbird? TIA

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
> Willie is an angry, bitter soul

Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting? You have
stated that you only respond when something needs to be corrected.
But nothing needed to be corrected here, you just had to say something
nasty about Ramashiva, you couldn't help yourself. Do you ever stop
to think how old that gets? What if I were to reply to any post where
someone mentioned something about dieting and added that "Beldin's big
fat girlfriend needs to do that"? That wouldn't be a case of me
correcting anyone, it would just be rude, insensitive, and biting
aimed at your ankles. It's the same thing with you talking shit about
Ramashiva. He hasn't said anything about you in days. There was no
reason for you to pipe up and open your big mouth. You're just a
nasty human being.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
> Willie is an angry, bitter soul


Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?

***
Because it's a statement of fact

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

So you are stating that Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter soul"?
Could you state that in a court of law, as a matter of fact, under
penalty of perjury?

Of course, you are a liar, because it is only your opinion. Your
opinion is not evidence of fact.

By the way, your girlfriend needs to go on a diet. That is a
statement of fact.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> Willie is an angry, bitter soul
>
>
> Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?

Like you breaking weeks of silence to snipe at me?

'Tis to laugh, for certain and true.

Jim

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:25f6e3d0-7462-4969...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Willie is an angry, bitter soul
>
> Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?
>
> ***
> Because it's a statement of fact


So you are stating that Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter soul"?
Could you state that in a court of law, as a matter of fact, under
penalty of perjury?

***
I could furnish reams of quotes from him.

Nobody reading them would dispute it

I'm not commenting on Coleman at home at all, of course

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"Clave" <cla...@the.monastery.com> wrote in message
news:uoYwr.14139$4P3....@newsfe08.iad...

>
>
> "popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> Willie is an angry, bitter soul
>>
>>
>> Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?
>
> Like you breaking weeks of silence to snipe at me?

Someone said he was sick

[Vince]

Paul, you are omitting your sig file.

[Clave]

"Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beld...@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:jq1juv$lva$1...@dont-email.me...

Beside the point -- he's lost any privileges he had to call anyone else out
for anklebiting.

Jim

[Travel A]

The "new" Goole Groups is still in beta testing, so all the features
that it may eventually provide aren't necessarily apparent yet.

For example, the format right now doesn't list the various threads in
numbered pages; you can scroll forever down one long list. They should
get around to formating in sepatate pages, sooner or later.

The pont is, they may have, and they probably will have "flat" or "tree"
or "expanded," etc., options when development is completed.

Why would Google Groups go about the considerable effort of redesigning
for a "new Google Groups" with "improvement over the old" in mind, and
leave out these basic forum options?

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 9:50 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote in messagenews:jq1juv$lva$1...@dont-email.me...
>
>
>
> > "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote in message
> >news:uoYwr.14139$4P3....@newsfe08.iad...
>
> >> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

> >>news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> >>> On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> >>> wrote:
>
> >>>> Willie is an angry, bitter soul
>
> >>> Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?
>
> >> Like you breaking weeks of silence to snipe at me?
>
> > Someone said he was sick
>
> Beside the point -- he's lost any privileges he had to call anyone else out
> for anklebiting.
>
> Jim

I wasn't gone for weeks, I was just a little busy, what the fuck's it
to you? Are you writing a book? Anyway, it doesn't matter how long I
might be away, I am still Senior Coordinator and don't you forget it.

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 9:46 pm, Vince <vi...@hush.ai> wrote:

>
> Paul, you are omitting your sig file.

Sorry. Thanks for the reminder, Vince.

Hey, are we going to have a Triple Crown winner?

best regards,

-Paul "The Way" Popinjay

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 9:39 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>

wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:25f6e3d0-7462-4969...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Willie is an angry, bitter soul
>
> > Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?
>
> > ***
> > Because it's a statement of fact
>
> So you are stating that Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter soul"?
> Could you state that in a court of law, as a matter of fact, under
> penalty of perjury?
> ***
> I could furnish reams of quotes from him.
>
> Nobody reading them would dispute it
>

I would dispute it. And I think I am more qualified than you to
express an OPINION about whether Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter
soul". I don't think he is, and that is my opinion, just like
whatever you think is your opinion. Your refusal to accept that your
opinion is not evidence of fact just lessens your already damaged
credibility. There are several people here that would dispute your
assertion that Ramashiva is an angry and bitter soul. In fact, I
would venture that you are in the minority. The Maggot Minority.

-Paul "The Way" Popinjay

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:d4a78e21-12d7-42b9...@si8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 9:50 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
>> "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote in
>> messagenews:jq1juv$lva$1...@dont-email.me...
>>
>>
>>
>> > "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote in message
>> >news:uoYwr.14139$4P3....@newsfe08.iad...
>>
>> >> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>> >>news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
>> >>> On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
>> >>> wrote:
>>
>> >>>> Willie is an angry, bitter soul
>>
>> >>> Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?
>>
>> >> Like you breaking weeks of silence to snipe at me?
>>
>> > Someone said he was sick
>>
>> Beside the point -- he's lost any privileges he had to call anyone else
>> out
>> for anklebiting.
>>
>> Jim
>
>

> I wasn't gone for weeks, I was just a little busy...

Whatever. The point still stands.

Jim

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 11:49 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:

>
> Whatever.  The point still stands.
>
> Jim

The point does not stand. I didn't lose any privileges, I set the
privileges here, mutherfucker. It is not ankle-biting, it is
execution of duty.

Paul "The Way" Popinjay

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:623ba459-e5ef-4824...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 11:49 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Whatever. The point still stands.
>>
>> Jim
>
>
> The point does not stand. I didn't lose any privileges, I set the
> privileges here, mutherfucker.

If you want to continue to try, be my guest -- it's part of what makes you
so cute. Feel free also to enjoy being pointed to and laughed at.


> It is not ankle-biting...

When *you* do it -- we all understand that.

This steaming pile brought to you by Paul "The Load" Popinjay.

[popinjay999]

On May 29, 12:21 am, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:

>
> If you want to continue to try, be my guest -- it's part of what makes you
> so cute.  Feel free also to enjoy being pointed to and laughed at.
>

The only thing that people are laughing at is how Ramashiva and I have
shaped you like a piece of wet clay. I'm considering putting you on
total ignore for a couple weeks. And don't start whining, I said I'm
just considering it. I'll let you know in the morning.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:b2c9a5cc-756f-4b67...@wp3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 9:39 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:25f6e3d0-7462-4969...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> >news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> > On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > > Willie is an angry, bitter soul
>
> > Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?
>
> > ***
> > Because it's a statement of fact
>
> So you are stating that Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter soul"?
> Could you state that in a court of law, as a matter of fact, under
> penalty of perjury?
> ***
> I could furnish reams of quotes from him.
>
> Nobody reading them would dispute it
>


I would dispute it. And I think I am more qualified than you to
express an OPINION about whether Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter
soul".

***
You're a biased asshat.

You suck his cock

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:bb1b19a1-94b8-46e3...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> On May 29, 12:21 am, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> If you want to continue to try, be my guest -- it's part of what makes
>> you
>> so cute. Feel free also to enjoy being pointed to and laughed at.
>>
>
> The only thing that people are laughing at is how Ramashiva and I have

> shaped you like a piece of wet clay....

Oh, lord -- it's too close to bedtime to be laughing this hard.

Jim

[Vince]

Thanks, Paul.

It would seem like another two horse race, with the same outcome. It
would be a letdown if it doesn't happen.

[ramashiva]

On May 28, 7:29 pm, DELETETHIS <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> Thanks for the lesson in newsgroup etiquette". I have been posting in
> newsgroups before you got your 1st PC

Really??? My first PC (personal computer) was an Apple II in 1982.
Was usenet even around then? I have been programming computers since
1961 (IBM 1620), so don't try to pull that old timer shit on me,
N00BIE.

> and LONG ago many of us

LOL @ "many of us". Who is that exactly? You speak for no one but
yourself.

> decided top replies were much more efficient than below the quote.

It's not more efficient if it's going to be a conversation, because it
makes it difficult to follow.

> WE decided is

Who the fuck is "WE"??? You speak for no one but yourself, and the
consensus on THIS newsgroup is that bottom posting is preferred.

> was quicker than scrolling thur long post while still allowing people to
> read the post if they wanted.  I do understand that some of the newer
> people with nothing else to do enjoy scrolling down.

The only reason to quote the entire post is if you are going to
interleave comments, as I am doing right now. Otherwise, snip most of
the post and just leave the part to which you are replying.

> I prefer top replies and will continue to post that way

That makes you an inconsiderate asshole, since it makes conversations
more difficult to follow.

> AS for the repeat of September - more than one person here has inquired
> about how to set it up and it was my intent to tell them that most of
> the newsreaders make it easy to set up.

Anyyone who can't set up Outlook Express to use Eternal September in
10 minutes or less shouldn't be allowed near a computer.

> Unlike many here I try to help
> rather than spend all my time tearing down - try it - you may improve
> your outlook on life

Excuse me??? You are the one who insists on top posting, even though
most here think it is rude and makes conversations hard to follow.
But I am the one who needs to improve my outlook on life???

FOAD.

[ramashiva]

On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

No it is not!!!

IT IS A STATEMENT OF OPINION.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU BRAINDEAD IDIOT!

YOUR OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS!

Got that?

And you still haven't figured out how to quote GG properly with OE.
My God, you are one dumb asshole.

[ramashiva]

On May 28, 9:39 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>

wrote:

> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:25f6e3d0-7462-4969...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> > On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > > Willie is an angry, bitter soul

> > Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?

> > ***
> > Because it's a statement of fact

> So you are stating that Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter soul"?
> Could you state that in a court of law, as a matter of fact, under
> penalty of perjury?

> ***
> I could furnish reams of quotes from him.

> Nobody reading them would dispute it

Just how fucking dumb are you??? Nobody would dispute it? By "it" I
assume you mean that nobody was disagree with your characterization of
my posts as showing that I am an angry bitter soul.

What the fuck is wrong with you? When are you going to get through
your fucking head that you speak ONLY for yourself. Basically, you
are saying that EVERYONE who reads my posts thinks I am an angry
bitter soul.

Do you have no self-awareness at all? Don't you understand that you
look like a complete idiot when you claim EVERYONE would agree with
you on a certain point???

YOU SPEAK ONLY FOR YOURSELF.

[Will in New Haven]

On May 28, 10:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

I agree
For top-posting. It destroys the flow of the conversation.
Why would one torture and kill a near-stranger?

--
Willy "The Lamb" Reich

[Will in New Haven]

On May 27, 7:35 pm, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On May 27, 4:21 pm, brewmaster <agilbertc...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > I use recgroups because it has the only interface that syncs my account between the 4 computers I use on a regular basis and shows the posts in a threaded format that is easy to follow (2+2's threading format it an abomination, and I can no longer get Google Groups to even display in a threaded format, it will only display in a flat format, and I can't tell who is responding to who anymore).
>
> Well, Google Groups will definitely sync your account between multiple
> computers.  What exactly do you mean by sync?  Does recgroups remember
> what posts you have read on different computers?  Google Groups won't
> do that as far as I know, but as long as you are signed in, GG takes
> you to the first unread post on the current computer when you click on
> a thread.
>
> You are right, GG no longer offers the option to see a threaded tree
> view.  As long as the post you are reading quotes the post to which it
> is replying, I don't see a problem.  What I really like about reading
> a thread in flat format is the ability to read a thread by scrolling,
> instead of clicking on each post.
>
> Anyway, it looks like recgroups is toast, so you need to switch to GG
> or start using a newsreader.


You left out "or curse the darkness." Always my favorite option.

[fffurken]

> William "The Life" Coleman  (ramashiva)- Hide quoted text -
>
> - Show quoted text -

lol.. What's that, a record?

--
"I am putting you on total ignore, along with Jerry, Clave, and
Maggot."

William "The Ego" Coleman, May 24 2012.

[VegasJerry]

On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:44:22 PM UTC-7, fffurken wrote:
> On May 29, 7:54 pm, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > On May 28, 9:39 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > "popinjay999"

> wrote in message
> > >news:25f6e3d0-7462-4969...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
> > > On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote:
> > > > "popinjay999"

> "I am putting you on total ignore, along with Jerry, Clave, and
> Maggot."
>
> William "The Ego" Coleman, May 24 2012.

What does it say about a person that keeps adding people he feels he needs to ignore?

Jerry

[Clave]

"VegasJerry" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:7accd743-759a-4b71...@googlegroups.com...

> On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 12:44:22 PM UTC-7, fffurken wrote:
>> On May 29, 7:54 pm, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:

<...>

>> "I am putting you on total ignore, along with Jerry, Clave, and
>> Maggot."
>>
>> William "The Ego" Coleman, May 24 2012.
>
> What does it say about a person that keeps adding people he feels he needs
> to ignore?

Heh.

Cold-Tard gots a enemies lits and I'm on it!

Jim

[ramashiva]

On May 29, 1:51 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:

> Cold-Tard gots a enemies lits and I'm on it!

You pathetic deluded netk00k. You are not on my enemies list. You
don't rate. You are on my ignore list, numbnuts.

No, that doesn't mean I never reply to you. It just means that my
general policy is to ignore you, except when you say something
exceptionally egregious, like claiming to be on my enemies list. You
have got to be the most pathetic POS ever to post to RGP. Whenever
Popinjay or I acknowledge your existence, you indulge in great
celebration and gloating.

Let me make it perfectly clear to you. You are nothing more than an
irritating gnat to me. Same goes for Jerry and fuckface. I don't
give a fuck what any of you do or say. You are all total morons as
far as I am concerned.

Yes, I do have an enemies list, but you are not even close to
qualifying. The people on my enemies list I consider truly evil, and
I would celebrate if they died, suffered serious injury, or otherwise
experienced serious misfortune.

There are three people on my enemies list --

Kristin Jensen (Bitch Bea)

Christopher S McAdam (Maggot the Faggot AKA Beldin the Sorcerer)

Chuck Jackson (Doggy)

All three of these scumbags have conducted a systematic campaign of
character assassination against me extending over many years. This
character assassination has included numerous libelous lies repeated
many times.

The world would be a much better place without these howling Satanic
demons, and I hope they all die a slow, painful death. Soon.

As for you, fuckface, and Jerry, the three anklebiting, threadstalking
assholes on my ignore list, you are irritating gnats, nothing more.

Please don't imagine that any of you guys will EVER be significant
enough to me to make my enemies list.

[fffurken]

On May 29, 9:45 pm, VegasJerry <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:

> > lol.. What's that, a record?
>
> > "I am putting you on total ignore, along with Jerry, Clave, and
> > Maggot."
>
> > William "The Ego" Coleman, May 24 2012.
>
> What does it say about a person that keeps adding people he feels he needs to ignore?

Coleman, or "The Ego" for short, likes to put people on a list,
Jerry, it's his added way of belittling.

[fffurken]

On May 30, 12:03 am, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No, that doesn't mean I never reply to you.  It just means that my
> general policy is to ignore you, except when you say something
> exceptionally egregious, like claiming to be on my enemies list.  You
> have got to be the most pathetic POS ever to post to RGP.  Whenever
> Popinjay or I acknowledge your existence, you indulge in great
> celebration and gloating.
>
> Let me make it perfectly clear to you.  You are nothing more than an
> irritating gnat to me.  Same goes for Jerry and fuckface.

If you're not saying "total ignore", breaking all reasonable meaning
of the words, you're reserving the right to respond whenever you want
and to continue your anklebiting by proxy.

What you won't admit, is that it's nothing more than transparent
expediency. You're a joke.

[VegasJerry]

On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 4:03:29 PM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:
> On May 29, 1:51 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
>
> > Cold-Tard gots a enemies lits and I'm on it!
>
> You pathetic deluded netk00k. You are not on my enemies list. You
> don't rate. You are on my ignore list, numbnuts.
>
> No, that doesn't mean I never reply to you. It just means that my
> general policy is to ignore you, except when you say something
> exceptionally egregious, like claiming to be on my enemies list. You
> have got to be the most pathetic POS ever to post to RGP. Whenever
> Popinjay or I acknowledge your existence, you indulge in great
> celebration and gloating.
>
> Let me make it perfectly clear to you. You are nothing more than an
> irritating gnat to me. Same goes for Jerry and fuckface. I don't
> give a fuck what any of you do or say.

Of fuck you, gasbag. I showed you incorrect on one simple little thing and you to ape shit. Ignore me, you'll feel better; and so will I.

Jerry

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:5280af30-78fd-48c7...@t2g2000pbl.googlegroups.com...

On May 29, 1:51 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:

> Cold-Tard gots a enemies lits and I'm on it!

You pathetic deluded netk00k. You are not on my enemies list. You
don't rate. You are on my ignore list, numbnuts.

No, that doesn't mean I never reply to you. It just means that my
general policy is to ignore you, except when you say something
exceptionally egregious, like claiming to be on my enemies list. You
have got to be the most pathetic POS ever to post to RGP. Whenever
Popinjay or I acknowledge your existence, you indulge in great
celebration and gloating.

Let me make it perfectly clear to you. You are nothing more than an
irritating gnat to me. Same goes for Jerry and fuckface. I don't
give a fuck what any of you do or say. You are all total morons as
far as I am concerned.

Yes, I do have an enemies list, but you are not even close to
qualifying. The people on my enemies list I consider truly evil, and
I would celebrate if they died, suffered serious injury, or otherwise
experienced serious misfortune.

<Snip the rest of Coleman's insane rant>

Willie :
I do not libel you. I do not discuss you IRL at all. I discuss your posting
persona.

If you are going to claim that someone who claims the shit you've claimed
over the years (and again, "Loveletter to Beldin" is a good place to start)
isn't a whacko, pardon me whilst I crack up laughing

I am, of course, a much better man than you, for I wish you no Real Life
misfortune at all

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:a72cce4e-11c8-4fdc...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 9:39 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:25f6e3d0-7462-4969...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> >news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> > On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > > Willie is an angry, bitter soul

> > Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?

> > ***
> > Because it's a statement of fact

> So you are stating that Ramashiva is an "angry and bitter soul"?
> Could you state that in a court of law, as a matter of fact, under
> penalty of perjury?

> ***
> I could furnish reams of quotes from him.

> Nobody reading them would dispute it


Just how fucking dumb are you??? Nobody would dispute it? By "it" I
assume you mean that nobody was disagree with your characterization of
my posts as showing that I am an angry bitter soul.

****
Yeah.
The above paragraph would show strong evidence of it

What the fuck is wrong with you? When are you going to get through
your fucking head that you speak ONLY for yourself. Basically, you
are saying that EVERYONE who reads my posts thinks I am an angry
bitter soul.

***
Commas, Willie. Don't leave out the commas

Do you have no self-awareness at all? Don't you understand that you
look like a complete idiot when you claim EVERYONE would agree with
you on a certain point???

***
Grass is green, in general. The people who can't tell that don't know what
"green" means or are colorblind. I say that, knowing there are colors in the
spectrum you COULD argue about.

YOU SPEAK ONLY FOR YOURSELF.

***
Words have meaning, Willie.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:335e5c04-adc0-4a05...@wp3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 9:18 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> news:02c16591-734c-4bc1...@nl1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 7:53 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net> wrote:

> > Willie is an angry, bitter soul

> Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?

> ***
> Because it's a statement of fact

No it is not!!!

IT IS A STATEMENT OF OPINION.

WHAT THE FUCK IS WRONG WITH YOU, YOU BRAINDEAD IDIOT!

YOUR OPINIONS ARE NOT FACTS!

****
More of you proving my point.
That is very kind of you, Willie

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:0a6c7269-4ee6-4d6e...@l10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...

On May 28, 7:29 pm, DELETETHIS <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net>
wrote:

> Thanks for the lesson in newsgroup etiquette". I have been posting in
> newsgroups before you got your 1st PC

Really??? My first PC (personal computer) was an Apple II in 1982.
Was usenet even around then? I have been programming computers since
1961 (IBM 1620), so don't try to pull that old timer shit on me,
N00BIE.

***
If he is speaking of PC as the term was used (IBM or Clone), then no, it
wasn't.

Of course Usenet started in 1980

Usenet is a worldwide distributed Internet discussion system. It was
developed from the general purpose UUCP architecture of the same name.

Duke University graduate students Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis conceived the
idea in 1979 and it was established in 1980.[1] Users read and post messages
(called articles or posts, and collectively termed news) to one or more
categories, known as newsgroups. Usenet resembles a bulletin board system
(BBS) in many respects, and is the precursor to the various Internet forums
that are widely used today. Usenet can be superficially regarded as a hybrid
between email and web forums. Discussions are threaded, with modern news
reader software, as with web forums and BBSes, though posts are stored on
the server sequentially.

<Snip the rest of Willie's post, despite the fact that it proves again how
angry and bitter he is>

[ramashiva]

On May 29, 5:13 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Willie :
> I do not libel you. I do not discuss you IRL at all. I discuss your posting
> persona.

Shove your God damned posting persona bullshit up your maggot ass. I
don't buy that bullshit, and I doubt there are many here that do.

My real name is known. When you make statements about "William
Coleman", you are making statements about the real life human being,
not some internet persona. You keep this bullshit up, and you and I
are going to wind up in a court of law. You would be laughed out of
court if you starting claiming all your insults and lies weren't about
me, just my internet persona.

Wake the fuck up. I could file charges of stalking and harassment
against you right now and make them stick. I have repeatedly ASKED
you to leave me the fuck alone, but you won't do it. That is stalking
and harassment in the real world, and it's stalking and harassment on
the internet.

You better talk to a lawyer about this, because I am fed up. You are
exposing yourself to legal jeopardy by continuing to harass me when I
have repeatedly ASKED you to leave me the fuck alone.

> If you are going to claim that someone who claims the shit you've claimed
> over the years (and again, "Loveletter to Beldin" is a good place to start)
> isn't a whacko, pardon me whilst I crack up laughing

Of course, most everything in that post went over your head. What you
have in that post is evidence of someone who has been initiated into
Occult Science. It sounds like babble to you, because you are not an
initiate.

> I am, of course, a much better man than you, for I wish you no Real Life
> misfortune at all

YOU ARE NOT A MAN, YOU ARE A MAGGOT. STOP PRETENDING OTHERWISE.

[ramashiva]

On May 29, 5:33 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "ramashiva" <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote in message

> news:0a6c7269-4ee6-4d6e...@l10g2000pbi.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 7:29 pm, DELETETHIS <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net>
> wrote:

> > Thanks for the lesson in newsgroup etiquette". I have been posting in
> > newsgroups before you got your 1st PC

> Really??? My first PC (personal computer) was an Apple II in 1982.
> Was usenet even around then?  I have been programming computers since
> 1961 (IBM 1620), so don't try to pull that old timer shit on me,
> N00BIE.

> ***
> If he is speaking of PC as the term was used (IBM or Clone), then no, it
> wasn't.

My first IBM compatible PC was a screaming 16-megahertz 386 system
with 8(!) megabytes of memory and a 40-megabyte hard drive. I bought
it about 1994, but I don't remember the exact year.

I doubt there is anyone on this newsgroup who can predate me on
experience with computers, since I go back to 1961. I have been
continuously involved with computers since then, including six years
as a systems analyst and systems programmer, and three years full-time
teaching experience at the community college level.

> Of course Usenet started in 1980

> Usenet is a worldwide distributed Internet discussion system. It was
> developed from the general purpose UUCP architecture of the same name.

> Duke University graduate students Tom Truscott and Jim Ellis conceived the
> idea in 1979 and it was established in 1980.[1] Users read and post messages
> (called articles or posts, and collectively termed news) to one or more
> categories, known as newsgroups. Usenet resembles a bulletin board system
> (BBS) in many respects, and is the precursor to the various Internet forums
> that are widely used today. Usenet can be superficially regarded as a hybrid
> between email and web forums. Discussions are threaded, with modern news
> reader software, as with web forums and BBSes, though posts are stored on
> the server sequentially.

Did you write the above two paragraphs? If not, you are guilty of
plagiarism, since you didn't acknowledge your source.

[fffurken]

On May 30, 1:53 am, ramashiva <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote:

> My real name is known.  When you make statements about "William
> Coleman", you are making statements about the real life human being,
> not some internet persona.  You keep this bullshit up, and you and I
> are going to wind up in a court of law.

Laugh my fucking ass off!

The last place you would want to end up relating to RGP is in court.

[fffurken]

On May 29, 4:42 am, popinjay999 <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Why isn't this a form of threadstalking and ankle-biting?  You have
> stated that you only respond when something needs to be corrected.
> But nothing needed to be corrected here, you just had to say something
> nasty about Ramashiva, you couldn't help yourself.  Do you ever stop
> to think how old that gets?  What if I were to reply to any post where
> someone mentioned something about dieting and added that "Beldin's big
> fat girlfriend needs to do that"?  That wouldn't be a case of me
> correcting anyone, it would just be rude, insensitive, and biting
> aimed at your ankles.  It's the same thing with you talking shit about
> Ramashiva.  He hasn't said anything about you in days.

Perhaps you ought to try to impress on your friend to make that more
permanent in nature.

[Clave]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

news:5280af30-78fd-48c7...@t2g2000pbl.googlegroups.com...

> On May 29, 1:51 pm, "Clave" <clav...@the.monastery.com> wrote:
>
>> Cold-Tard gots a enemies lits and I'm on it!
>
> You pathetic deluded netk00k. You are not on my enemies list. You
> don't rate. You are on my ignore list, numbnuts.

A whole lot of words for someone you're ignoring.

And you really *are* an angry, angry person.

Jim

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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***
Fuckhead, I've cited that paragraph before.

It's from wikipedia, which any idiot can tell by Googling.

Only an angry, bitter old man would think that.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 29, 5:13 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Willie :
> I do not libel you. I do not discuss you IRL at all. I discuss your
> posting
> persona.

Shove your God damned posting persona bullshit up your maggot ass. I
don't buy that bullshit, and I doubt there are many here that do.

Liar.

Nobody believes that you are what you claim you are in all your posts.
Nobody believes you're a god, just for one handy example.

Just like nobody believes Peepee is a black man with a 1" penis

You're proving my point, Willie.

My real name is known. When you make statements about "William
Coleman", you are making statements about the real life human being,
not some internet persona. You keep this bullshit up, and you and I
are going to wind up in a court of law. You would be laughed out of
court if you starting claiming all your insults and lies weren't about
me, just my internet persona.

***
I made statements about "Willie", Willie.
I have never met "William Coleman" and I suspect strongly he doesn't think
he's a god.

Wake the fuck up. I could file charges of stalking and harassment
against you right now and make them stick. I have repeatedly ASKED
you to leave me the fuck alone, but you won't do it. That is stalking
and harassment in the real world, and it's stalking and harassment on
the internet.

***
No, Willie.
This is a public forum. I can post a response to it. You are certainly not
compelled to read it.

E-Mailing you, if you said not to, or , I dunno, sending annoying messages
to your friends... now THAT could be viewed as harrassment.

You better talk to a lawyer about this, because I am fed up. You are
exposing yourself to legal jeopardy by continuing to harass me when I
have repeatedly ASKED you to leave me the fuck alone.

***
Willie, you know I don't need to talk to a lawyer about anything.
I get annoyed when you post your horseshit. You think someone can compel you
to stop?
You think the fact that it is repulsive to MOST thinking people, when you
refer to gay marriage as "two faggots fucking each other in the ass" means
you don't have the right to post it in a public forum?

This group isn't your personal space, asshole. I don't read any other usenet
groups. Feel free to go post somewhere else, if you don't ever want me to
respond. Kill file me, and never see a post.
You need to seek professional help, your megalomania is showing

> If you are going to claim that someone who claims the shit you've claimed
> over the years (and again, "Loveletter to Beldin" is a good place to
> start)
> isn't a whacko, pardon me whilst I crack up laughing

Of course, most everything in that post went over your head. What you
have in that post is evidence of someone who has been initiated into
Occult Science. It sounds like babble to you, because you are not an
initiate.

***
Willie, I hope you don't believe that. I hope this is just another
Ramsitintheass troll attempt

> I am, of course, a much better man than you, for I wish you no Real Life
> misfortune at all

YOU ARE NOT A MAN, YOU ARE A MAGGOT. STOP PRETENDING OTHERWISE.

***
Willie, I am a man. I think, I feel, and I care.
"Beldin" often doesn't care, which makes him useful for dealing with asshats
who lock caps and post bullshit

[popinjay999]

On May 29, 10:00 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

<SNIP TOTALLY UNREADABLE MESS>

> ***
> Willie, I am a man. I think, I feel, and I care.
> "Beldin" often doesn't care, which makes him useful for dealing with asshats
> who lock caps and post bullshit

This post is UN-FUCKING-READABLE! Even Travel finally learned how to
post legibly, so you are now the worst poster on the group, what a
fucking moron.

By the way, it wasn't your "persona" who got kicked off the K00l Kidz
List, because you agreed to not bring "Beldin" with you when you
signed up. It was YOU who got kicked off! And why was that? Because
YOU are the asshole, just like your persona. You are a real life
asshole.

-Paul "The Way" Popinjay

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
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On May 29, 10:00 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

<SNIP TOTALLY UNREADABLE MESS>

> ***
> Willie, I am a man. I think, I feel, and I care.
> "Beldin" often doesn't care, which makes him useful for dealing with
> asshats
> who lock caps and post bullshit


This post is UN-FUCKING-READABLE! Even Travel finally learned how to
post legibly, so you are now the worst poster on the group, what a
fucking moron.

***
Peepee, anyone not a complete moron can read that.

I do realize that lets you out, yes.

By the way, it wasn't your "persona" who got kicked off the K00l Kidz
List, because you agreed to not bring "Beldin" with you when you
signed up. It was YOU who got kicked off! And why was that? Because
YOU are the asshole, just like your persona. You are a real life
asshole.

***
Peepee, I wasn't an asshole.
If people thought standing up for your point of view, and demonstrating they
were wrong made me an asshole, then there really wasn't any point to
participating.

I got very little out of the experience. Most of the people didn't want to
really think about the game... which doesn't make them bad people, or even
bad players. The point of talking about poker, one would think, is to learn
to think about it to produce a better style of play. That means defending
your claims, pretty much by definition.

Now of course, I never wanted to discuss any of this here. And of course,
I'm still friends with the guy who told you about it, just like I'm friends
with the guy who discussed some of the porn I watch with you. I don't hold
things like that against someone, although I certainly wouldn't do it
myself.

I know you keep hoping I'll get mad over this. Won't happen.Maybe in 5 or 10
years, you'll stop trying, but probably not

[popinjay999]

On May 29, 10:49 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>

>

> By the way, it wasn't your "persona" who got kicked off the K00l Kidz
> List, because you agreed to not bring "Beldin" with you when you
> signed up.  It was YOU who got kicked off!  And why was that?  Because
> YOU are the asshole, just like your persona.  You are a real life
> asshole.
> ***
> Peepee, I wasn't an asshole.
> If people thought standing up for your point of view, and demonstrating they
> were wrong made me an asshole, then there really wasn't any point to
> participating.
>
> I got very little out of the experience. Most of the people didn't want to
> really think about the game... which doesn't make them bad people, or even
> bad players. The point of talking about poker, one would think, is to learn
> to think about it to produce a better style of play. That means defending
> your claims, pretty much by definition.
>
> Now of course, I never wanted to discuss any of this here. And of course,
> I'm still friends with the guy who told you about it, just like I'm friends
> with the guy who discussed some of the porn I watch with you. I don't hold
> things like that against someone, although I certainly wouldn't do it
> myself.
>
> I know you keep hoping I'll get mad over this. Won't happen.Maybe in 5 or 10
> years, you'll stop trying, but probably not

I don't care whether you don't get mad, my agenda is to correct your
lies. You were kicked off the K00l Kidz List because you were being
the same kind of asshole that your persona is, and you promised not to
be like that when you joined, but you lied and did it anyway. Thus,
you violated the Terms and Conditions, to wit not being a Beldonian
asshole, and you were summarily given the boot. So please stop
lying. When you stop lying, I will stop correcting you. Maggot!

-Paul "The Way" Popinjay

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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***
Wrong on all counts

Now you may be a world class idiot, or you may be a liar.

I didn't insult a soul, asshole.

Beldin is all about insults.

I never once promised, NOR WOULD I, to claim to be wrong when I was correct,
nor to fail to stand up for myself.

If ANYONE expects ANYBODY to act that way, they're fairly fucking stupid,

So YES, Peepee, you are a lying sack of shit, as usual.

If ANYONE had asked me to let people say I was wrong when I was obviously,
documentedly correct, I'da laughed hysterically and said No thanks. Nobody
ever made that request, Peepee.

If you SERIOUSLY think proving I'm right makes me an asshole, then you need
some mental health correction

AT ALL TIMES, I kept my word. I ate vast amounts of shit, to keep from
firing back at people who sniped at me, but never EVER did I, or would I,
agree to being told I'm wrong when I can easily prove I'm right.

Now, of course, I'm not mad at anyone over that. Nearly all the issues were
about situations where I went to lengths to avoid laying reverse implied
odds. Any number of people don't care about that, because the dumb players
pay you off anyway.... but they pay you off anyway if you take steps to
avoid the GOOD players who try and trap, too.

So Peepee, if you wanna keep lying, I'll keep pointing out you're a
shithead.

[Pepe Papon]

On Tue, 29 May 2012 11:43:04 -0700 (PDT), ramashiva
<ramas...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On May 28, 7:29 pm, DELETETHIS <"minus200(DELETETHIS)"@bellsouth.net>
>wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the lesson in newsgroup etiquette". I have been posting in
>> newsgroups before you got your 1st PC
>
>Really??? My first PC (personal computer) was an Apple II in 1982.
>Was usenet even around then?

I'm nearly certain that it was. I first got on Usenet in 1983, and it
was already going strong at that time.

--

Pepe "The Revelation" Papon

[popinjay999]

On May 30, 12:36 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>

> If ANYONE had asked me to let people say I was wrong when I was obviously,
> documentedly correct, I'da laughed hysterically and said No thanks. Nobody
> ever made that request, Peepee.
>
> If you SERIOUSLY think proving I'm right makes me an asshole, then you need
> some mental health correction
>
>   AT ALL TIMES, I kept my word. I ate vast amounts of shit, to keep from
> firing back at people who sniped at me, but never EVER did I, or would I,
> agree to being told I'm wrong when I can easily prove I'm right.
>
> Now, of course, I'm not mad at anyone over that. Nearly all the issues were
> about situations where I went to lengths to avoid laying reverse implied
> odds. Any number of people don't care about that, because the dumb players
> pay you off anyway.... but they pay you off anyway if you take steps to
> avoid the GOOD players who try and trap, too.
>
> So Peepee, if you wanna keep lying, I'll keep pointing out you're a
> shithead.

Excuse me, but you are lying again and I must correct your lie.

FACT!!! You were kicked off the K00l Kidz List for"being Beldin". It
does not matter that you think you were unjustly kicked off the list,
but it is a well-known and easily proven FACT that you were kicked off
for "BEING BELDIN". Verbatim! Case closed. Irrefutable. Do you
need to see the transcript?

And when you were allowed to join, you said you would not "be
Beldin". It was a condition of your being accepted, and you violated
that trust. You were BEING BELDIN, just like you are now. So you got
the boot.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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***
Sure, because it will be a lie, or possibly, someone being really stupid.

"Beldin" insults people.
"Beldin" has nothing to do with me pointing out someone is wrong, when they
are wrong.
See, shit for brains, some idiot telling you that's what they said will, in
no way, mean I was acting in some way contrary to my word.

I stated I wouldn't insult people, and didn't.
AT NO TIME prior to accepting the invitation, was I asked to roll over and
play dead if several people said things that were easily proven not to be
true.

So yeah, Peepee, you (as is so often the case) are talking out of your ass

And when you were allowed to join, you said you would not "be
Beldin". It was a condition of your being accepted, and you violated
that trust. You were BEING BELDIN, just like you are now. So you got
the boot.

***
No, fuckhead.

Again, it's painfully obvious you have no clue what "Beldin" is about.

Now if you want to keep lying, I'll keep kicking you in the balls.

[popinjay999]

On May 30, 1:27 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>

> Now if you want to keep lying, I'll keep kicking you in the balls.

I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that you were kicked off "for being
Beldin".

Verbatim!

Care to prop bet, fuckface?

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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On May 30, 1:27 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>
> Now if you want to keep lying, I'll keep kicking you in the balls.


I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that you were kicked off "for being
Beldin".

***
Can you not read, motherfucker?

Any ignorant moron might say that.

There were no insults. That's what Beldin is.

If some asshat thinks standing up for oneself is somehow "being Beldin" then
they're just proving they're an asshat.
You should know, having raised "being an asshat" to an artform

[VegasJerry]

On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 5:53:39 PM UTC-7, ramashiva wrote:
> On May 29, 5:13 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Willie :
> > I do not libel you. I do not discuss you IRL at all. I discuss your posting
> > persona.

> Shove your God damned posting persona bullshit up your maggot ass.

This crackes me up. How can you not like a guy that can write like that. He's damn near as good a Clave.


Jerry (as good as it gets) 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:00:31 PM UTC-7, Beldin The Sorcerer wrote:
> "ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:53287e22-65a8-4644...@z4g2000pbz.googlegroups.com...
> On May 29, 5:13 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Willie :
> > I do not libel you. I do not discuss you IRL at all. I discuss your
> > posting
> > persona.
>
> Shove your God damned posting persona bullshit up your maggot ass. I
> don't buy that bullshit, and I doubt there are many here that do.
>
> Liar.

> Nobody believes that you are what you claim you are in all your posts.

Oops! Hold up, Beldummy, I do. I looked him up on the Internet. I found his home; it's just like he said; it's listed, just like he said, tax rolls and all.

You're the one afraid to use your name or where you work, Beldummy.


Jerry "The Real" 'n Vegas

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"VegasJerry" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> On Tuesday, May 29, 2012 10:00:31 PM UTC-7, Beldin The Sorcerer wrote:
>> "ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:53287e22-65a8-4644...@z4g2000pbz.googlegroups.com...
>> On May 29, 5:13 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Willie :
>> > I do not libel you. I do not discuss you IRL at all. I discuss your
>> > posting
>> > persona.
>>
>> Shove your God damned posting persona bullshit up your maggot ass. I
>> don't buy that bullshit, and I doubt there are many here that do.
>>
>> Liar.
>
>> Nobody believes that you are what you claim you are in all your posts.
>
> Oops! Hold up, Beldummy, I do. I looked him up on the Internet. I found
> his home; it's just like he said; it's listed, just like he said, tax
> rolls and all.

Jerry, I realize you're a complete and total fucking moron

He claims to be a god, the angel of death, and to bang 16 year old mexican
whores

Fuck, Jerry, how goddamned retarded are you?

[VegasJerry]

Funny how you cut the part about you being a coward about who you are and where you work.


Jerry "Smarter That You" 'n Vegas

[popinjay999]

On May 30, 1:59 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

Be careful, you might be calling one of your best "friends" an asshat,
more than once.

And just because you say that Beldin is about insults does not mean
that that is the only interpretation of "being Beldin". That is once
again typical of your twisting and redirecting. The fact remains, you
were kicked off the K00l Kidz List for "being Beldin", which is what
you are being now, which you've raised to an art. Please stop
twisting and redirecting.

[ramashiva]

This episode of Maggot being kicked off the k00lkidz email list is a
classic example of what a sick, sick, pathological liar Maggot really
is. Mark, Morphy, and Jason have all posted that Maggot is simply
lying about what happened, yet he keeps repeating the same lies over
and over, even though three people who were there and saw what
happened say he is lying.

He is an endlessly argumentative asshole who will never admit he is
wrong. That's what the k00l kidz experienced, and that's why they
kicked him off the list. End of story. What's funny about this, of
course, is that most of the k00l kidz know far more about poker than
Maggot. They simply got tired of an ignoramus like Maggot lecturing
them about correct poker theory, when they knew for sure that he was
full of shit and did not know what he is talking about.

His defense of Snyder's erroneous ideas about tournament strategy is a
perfect example of this. Snyder doesn't understand tournament
strategy, and his book is filled with misconceptions and mistakes.
Mason Malmuth and Dan Harrington both say Snyder is wrong in his
central contention that correct tournament strategy is dependent on
the length of the blind intervals. Snyder's arguments have no merit,
and are easily refuted, yet Maggot continues to defend Snyder's
nonsense, thus demonstrating that he, like Snyder, does not understand
tournament strategy.

It's fucking hopeless to try to argue with Maggot about tournament
strategy or anything else. He will never, ever "get" that he is a
stupid, ignorant, uneducated asshole who knows nothing.

[Vince]

On 5/28/2012 8:15 PM, Vince wrote:
>
> I wonder if you could help me. I recently started using Thunderbird,
> and tried to setup two news servers. One AIOE was successful, and the
> other, Teranews wasn't.
> Could you tell me how to delete the Teranews account in Thunderbird? TIA
>
>
Never mind. I found out how to solve the problem.

[fffurken]

On May 30, 9:59 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that you were kicked off "for being
> Beldin".
>
> ***
> Can you not read, motherfucker?
>
> Any ignorant moron might say that.
>
> There were no insults. That's what Beldin is.

If you weren't kicked off the list for being insulting and you weren't
kicked off the list for being Beldin, well then you must have been
kicked off the list for being Chris McAdam, which the people who
kicked you off the list described as "being Beldin".

Do you see where this is leading?

[popinjay999]

Yes, I think I get it. It's not his "persona" that they don't like,
it's HIM that they can't stand.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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***
Mostly, it was their poor thinking being pointed out they didn't like.

See, peepee, They were wrong on a number of points. When I posted supporting
evidence, they got irritated.
That's not my fault, that's theirs.

You can't really discuss a topic, if you can't support your point of view,

So one could state with some accuracy they really weren't interested in
discussing the topic of poker. Which isn't the end of the world... you don't
have much interest in it, either

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"fffurken" <fffu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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***
I got kicked off for posting supporting evidence to a point they claimed was
wrong.

So I basically got kicked off because they were stupid.

Do you see where this is leading?

***
That they were stupid? Well, they weren't ALL stupid, and none of them were
ALL the time

Anyone who WOULDN'T stand up for themselves in ANY situation where they
could support it ought not to discuss anything

Anyone who would EXPECT someone not to do so really shouldn't, either

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"ramashiva" <ramas...@gmail.com> wrote in message

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***
Asshole, you have nothing but second hand claims.

I really could give a rats ass what someone told you.

The simple fact is, several people made truly IDIOTIC claims and when I
refuted them with any number of cites, people got pissed that I did so.

YOU, of course, can barely comprehend intro to tournament theory, so I
really don't expect you to grasp much of anything else.

I was NOT wrong, period.
I backed it up with math. I also backed it up with cites from multiple pros
AFTER someone claimed No Pro ever recommended playing a hand like that.

So yes, shit for brains, as is generally the case, I was very much correct
and they got ANNOYED at that.

YOU, being a drooling idiot, haven't got a fucking clue about it.

He is an endlessly argumentative asshole who will never admit he is
wrong. That's what the k00l kidz experienced, and that's why they
kicked him off the list. End of story. What's funny about this, of
course, is that most of the k00l kidz know far more about poker than
Maggot. They simply got tired of an ignoramus like Maggot lecturing
them about correct poker theory, when they knew for sure that he was
full of shit and did not know what he is talking about.

His defense of Snyder's erroneous ideas about tournament strategy is a
perfect example of this. Snyder doesn't understand tournament
strategy, and his book is filled with misconceptions and mistakes.
Mason Malmuth and Dan Harrington both say Snyder is wrong in his
central contention that correct tournament strategy is dependent on
the length of the blind intervals. Snyder's arguments have no merit,
and are easily refuted, yet Maggot continues to defend Snyder's
nonsense, thus demonstrating that he, like Snyder, does not understand
tournament strategy.

****

Wow, you're a fucking retard.
Snyder's claims have a great deal of merit, and YOU are merely too fucking
stupid to understand them, much less refute them, which is why you've had a
challenge for over a fucking YEAR to do so, and you, being the fucked in the
ass sissy boy you are, have failed utterly to do so.

You NEVER will, because you are too stupid to even BEGIN to understand the
problem, asshat.

Harrington DID, and I cited where he did, which basically PROVES Snyder is
right, and you are STILL too goddamned retarded to grasp it

Fuckhead, you LOST again. And the cites proved it. And, because what you'd
rather do is lie your idiot ass off, that's what you did

YOU : Losing player in online tournaments
ME : Documented winner, on multiple sites

So, ignorant, lying moron, shove your idiot head back up your ass

Have a nice day!
Beldin "The indifferent" the Sorcerer

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

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On May 30, 1:59 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>
> news:e98dbdfc-9c5d-4c6a...@re8g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> On May 30, 1:27 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>
>
>
> > Now if you want to keep lying, I'll keep kicking you in the balls.
>
> I have it on GOOD AUTHORITY that you were kicked off "for being
> Beldin".
>
> ***
> Can you not read, motherfucker?
>
> Any ignorant moron might say that.
>
> There were no insults. That's what Beldin is.
>
> If some asshat thinks standing up for oneself is somehow "being Beldin"
> then
> they're just proving they're an asshat.
> You should know, having raised "being an asshat" to an artform


Be careful, you might be calling one of your best "friends" an asshat,
more than once.

***
Peepee, he's a good guy. But if he were one of my "best" friends, why would
he even tell you this?

And just because you say that Beldin is about insults does not mean
that that is the only interpretation of "being Beldin".

***
Of course it is.

That's what Beldin is.

That is once
again typical of your twisting and redirecting. The fact remains, you
were kicked off the K00l Kidz List for "being Beldin", which is what
you are being now, which you've raised to an art. Please stop
twisting and redirecting.

****
If you mean "Correcting your gross stupidity with facts", sure. If someone
is retarded enough to think "Correcting a misinterpretation by an idiot of
what I actually said" is somehow "Being Beldin", I suppose THAT'S true,..,
of course, then pretty much EVERYONE is Beldin, and that seems rather
ridiculous. It SURELY wasn't what I stated.

Now we both know which of my "friends" you're talking about. I like the guy
a lot, and I thought I went to great lengths to demonstrate it. But I would
never EVER agree to let someone make moronic statements that were easily
disproven and just take them, NOR would I expect anyone else to, ever.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"VegasJerry" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message

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Wow! You're a total fucking shithead, Jerry!

Willie the Fucknut has posted my name and address repeatedly.

How long you been a lying shithead, anyway?


>
>
> Jerry "Dumber Than Shit' 'n Vegas
>
>
And FINALLY a good sig for you

[ramashiva]

On May 31, 6:15 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> "ramashiva" <ramashiv...@gmail.com> wrote in message

What I have is your story about what happened with the k00l kidz, and
I have Jason, Mark, and Morphy posting that your account is a lie.
Since you are a well documented pathological liar, it's not too
difficult to figure out who is lying in this case.

> I really could give a rats ass what someone told you.

> The simple fact is, several people made truly IDIOTIC claims and when I
> refuted them with any number of cites, people got pissed that I did so.

No, they got tired of you being wrong, and refusing to admit you are
wrong.

> YOU, of course, can barely comprehend intro to tournament theory, so I
> really don't expect you to grasp much of anything else.

> I was NOT wrong, period.

> I backed it up with math. I also backed it up with cites from multiple pros
> AFTER someone claimed No Pro ever recommended playing a hand like that.

BLAH, BLAH, BLAH. I saw the post you made after you got kicked off
the k00l kidz email list. It was filled with mistakes and fallacies.

> So yes, shit for brains, as is generally the case, I was very much correct

No you weren't. You are seldom correct about anything.

> and they got ANNOYED at that.

> YOU, being a drooling idiot, haven't got a fucking clue about it.

> He is an endlessly argumentative asshole who will never admit he is
> wrong.  That's what the k00l kidz experienced, and that's why they
> kicked him off the list.  End of story.  What's funny about this, of
> course, is that most of the k00l kidz know far more about poker than
> Maggot.  They simply got tired of an ignoramus like Maggot lecturing
> them about correct poker theory, when they knew for sure that he was
> full of shit and did not know what he is talking about.

> His defense of Snyder's erroneous ideas about tournament strategy is a
> perfect example of this.  Snyder doesn't understand tournament
> strategy, and his book is filled with misconceptions and mistakes.
> Mason Malmuth and Dan Harrington both say Snyder is wrong in his
> central contention that correct tournament strategy is dependent on
> the length of the blind intervals.  Snyder's arguments have no merit,
> and are easily refuted, yet Maggot continues to defend Snyder's
> nonsense, thus demonstrating that he, like Snyder, does not understand
> tournament strategy.

> ****

> Wow, you're a fucking retard.
> Snyder's claims have a great deal of merit,

No they don't.

> and YOU are merely too fucking stupid to understand them,

No I am not.

> much less refute them,

LOL. I thoroughly refuted ALL of Snyder's erroneous ideas about
tournament theory right here, but you are too stupid to understand
what I wrote.

> which is why you've had a
> challenge for over a fucking YEAR to do so, and you, being the fucked in the
> ass sissy boy you are, have failed utterly to do so.

No, I have not failed. You are just too stupid to understand what I
wrote.

> You NEVER will, because you are too stupid to even BEGIN to understand the
> problem, asshat.

Oh, please. GMAFB. I understand tournament theory much better than
you or Snyder ever will.

> Harrington DID, and I cited where he did, which basically PROVES Snyder is
> right, and you are STILL too goddamned retarded to grasp it

FAIL. Harrington merely pointed out that when the blinds are about to
go up, an M adjustment is necessary. That doesn't mean the M
strategies themselves must be modified based on tournament speed.

> Fuckhead, you LOST again. And the cites proved it.

I did not lose, and the cites proved my point. It is exactly this
type of idiotic argumentation, when you are dead wrong, which got you
kicked off the k00l kidz email list.

> And, because what you'd
> rather do is lie your idiot ass off, that's what you did

> YOU : Losing player in online tournaments

FAIL. I have explained this to you 1000 times, and you keep lying
about it. The OPM stats you keep citing include less than 10% of my
online tournaments. I have given you tournament numbers which you
could verify that aren't in the OPM database. OPM doesn't include FPP
satellites, FPP freerolls, and for most of my tournament history,
didn't include cash satellites. For example, when you first cited my
OPM stats, there were only about 40 tournaments, and my PokerTracker
database included over 400 tournaments. Those OPM results were
dominated by a $215 tournament in which I failed to cash. But OPM
didn't show that I won that seat in a 500 FPP satellite.

If you actually thought I was a losing tournament player, you would
have accepted one of many offers I made to bet $20 on who would cash
more in online tournaments we both played. You made excuse after
excuse as to why you couldn't do it. Even after I deposited on FTP
and offered a prop bet on the Midnight Madness tournament, a
tournament in which you regularly played, you declined the prop bet.

Money talks, bullshit walks. You are all bullshit.

> ME : Documented winner, on multiple sites

No you are not a documented winner. Stop lying. Remember how you
used to tell Alim that he hadn't actually made any money on his silver
investments until he cashed out? Same thing applies to your
tournament results. Since you got caught with your panties down at
Full Tilt and Absolute, because you were too fucking stupid to see you
were dealing with crooks, you never cashed out your winnings, so you
are not a winner.

Even if we accept your paper winnings, you claim $2000 profit over
eight years. If you played five hours per week, that's 2000 hours, so
your hourly win rate is about $1/hour. LMFAO! You think you can
claim to know anything about tournament theory because you make $1/
hour playing Maggot stakes tournaments???

GTFO.

BTW, the last time I checked, NONE of Snyder's poker tournament books
are on Amazon's list of the 100 best-selling poker books. Some of his
blackjack books are. On the other hand, Malmuth and Harrington both
have lots of books on that list. Snyder is a nonentity to the poker
book buying public. Snyder's ideas about tournament strategy are
considered a total joke over at 2+2. Malmuth and Harrington both say
Snyder is wrong about tournament speed affecting correct tournament
strategy.

But you still contend that you and Snyder are right, and everyone
else, including lots of people who know a LOT more about tournament
strategy than you or Snyder, are wrong. Wake the fuck up. On this
point, you are full of shit and do not know what you are talking
about.

[popinjay999]

On May 31, 6:20 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

>

> Now we both know which of my "friends" you're talking about. I like the guy
> a lot, and I thought I went to great lengths to demonstrate it. But I would
> never EVER agree to let someone make moronic statements that were easily
> disproven and just take them, NOR would I expect anyone else to, ever.

Translation: "I tried to suck up by buying a gift card for someone I
only know from an internet newsgroup for Christmas which shows how
pathetic I am."

[popinjay999]

On May 31, 6:05 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Mostly, it was their poor thinking being pointed out they didn't like.
>
> See, peepee, They were wrong on a number of points. When I posted supporting
> evidence, they got irritated.
> That's not my fault, that's theirs.
>
> You can't really discuss a topic, if you can't support your point of view,
>
> So one could state with some accuracy they really weren't interested in
> discussing the topic of poker. Which isn't the end of the world... you don't
> have much interest in it, either

What they're not really interested in is putting up with an
argumentative asshole like you. Not your persona, but YOU. Just like
you're doing in this thread right now. People don't like you. I know
I don't.

[VegasJerry]

WHA! HA~HA! You dodged it AGAIN!


Jerry (kicking Beldummy's ass since our poker contest) 'n Vegas

[fffurken]

On May 31, 2:08 pm, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> I got kicked off for posting supporting evidence to a point they claimed was
> wrong.
>
> So I basically got kicked off because they were stupid.
>
> Do you see where this is leading?
> ***
> That they were stupid? Well, they weren't ALL stupid, and none of them were
> ALL the time

I assume when they weren't being "stupid" they were agreeing with you
openly or had your tacit approval in what they were saying. Because
you're never wrong.

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"fffurken" <fffu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message

news:59153092-9cf7-48ea...@f30g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

***
Well, I'm never wrong when I state some pros advocate limp-reraising with
aces.
And I'm never wrong when I say that, if your stack size is about 30 BB,
raising to 3x the BB gives someone with a pair the correct implied odds to
call to hit a set.

Mostly when I don't know, I don't take a position, fffurkin

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"VegasJerry" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message

news:31d642d2-2296-452c...@googlegroups.com...

No, I pointed out you were, as usual, 100% wrong.
You SNIPPED it again , as usual.

How's your head FEEL up your ass?

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:cc17cfa2-f64f-46b9...@tx6g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

***
Fuck, Peepee! I like the guy. I gave several friends gifts this year.

Sucking up wasn't the point of any gift from me, ever.

Are you SO fucking pathetic that the concept of a friend doing something
nice is unfathomable?

[Beldin the Sorcerer]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:7d210fd1-ee20-4eb2...@kw17g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

***
Peepee, I am certain some people don't like me, and equally certain some
people don't like you. Others find me completely adorable and cuddly. You, I
have no idea about.

Defending yourself against baseless charges isn't being argumentative,
Peepee.

If they fail to admit they were wrong and get pissed off, it's their bad,
not mine

[VegasJerry]

On Friday, June 1, 2012 6:48:30 AM UTC-7, Beldin The Sorcerer wrote:

> I gave several friends gifts this year.

> I am certain some people don't like me.

> Others find me completely adorable and cuddly.

I find it creepy that Beldin feels the constant need to explain and clarify himself; then drift off to making constant references to others' male genitalia and recital orifices; and the oral manipulations of such. Childish signs of seeking adult attention.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[ramashiva]

On Jun 1, 6:42 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:

> Well, I'm never wrong when I state some pros advocate limp-reraising with aces.

As a way to mix up your play and make yourself harder to read, yes.
When there is a maniac behind you who frequently raises limpers, yes.
As the preferred strategy for playing AA, I don't think so. Please
provide citations for poker pros who say limp-reraising is the
preferred strategy for playing AA.

> And I'm never wrong when I say that, if your stack size is about 30 BB,
> raising to 3x the BB gives someone with a pair the correct implied odds to
> call to hit a set.

Yes, you are wrong. I am now in possession of the entire email thread
on limp-reraising with aces, which got you kicked off the k00l kidz
email list.

You demonstrated a complete lack of understanding of poker theory in
that thread, and your arguments were completely destroyed by people
far more knowledgeable about poker than you.

Harrington recommends 25 to 1 implied odds to call a preflop raise
with small and medium pairs for set mining. You have to account for
all the times you flop a set and don't get paid off. You also have to
account for all the times you don't flop a set but get stacked
yourself, or at least lose more chips after the flop. And you also
have to account for set over set confrontations. While rare, a set
miner is guaranteed to lose his entire stack when that happens.

Your argument in the email thread is based on the idea that the set
miner will fold to a flop bet if he doesn't flop a set. That's
nonsense. If you call a preflop raise with 99 and the flop comes 732,
you think correct strategy is to fold when the preflop raiser bets the
flop???

Your entire argument justifying limp-reraising with aces is nonsense,
as the k00l kidz pointed out to you. You are obsessed with the idea
of denying set miners the correct implied odds for flopping a set.
What you neglect is the huge EV hit you take when you limp with AA and
nobody raises behind you. Your argument that there is "usually" a
raise after you limp is also nonsense. Anyone who plays online
tournaments regularly knows that.

So if Harrington's 25 to 1 implied odds recommendation is correct,
then a set miner would need a 75 BB stack to call a 3BB raise. Both
the raiser's and the set miner's stacks must be that big to justify a
call. That seldom happens in online tournaments except in the early
stages of deep stack tournaments.

> Mostly when I don't know, I don't take a position, fffurkin

Oh, please. You take positions all the time on matters you know
nothing about. Pretty much every position you take about poker
qualifies, since you know basically nothing about poker or poker
theory.