playing loose NLHE tables
Dutch
lot of limping, frequent raises with mediocre hands?
mccard
"Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message
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> What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table, a lot of limping,
> frequent raises with mediocre hands?
Play very tight. When you get a hand play it cautiously knowing a truly
loose table will call everything to the river. If you flop nuts, trap. If
you turn the nuts check raise and reraise.
If I missed anything, one of the old hands here will let us know :)
Dutch
That's pretty much how I play anyway :>)
XaQ Morphy
> a truly loose table will call everything to the river.
> If you flop nuts, trap.
The above two statements are contradictory, do you see why?
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mccard
"XaQ Morphy" <a1c...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Aug 30 2008 3:12 PM, mccard wrote:
>
>> a truly loose table will call everything to the river.
>
>> If you flop nuts, trap.
>
> The above two statements are contradictory, do you see why?
>
Dutch
> On Aug 30 2008 3:12 PM, mccard wrote:
>
>> a truly loose table will call everything to the river.
>
>> If you flop nuts, trap.
>
> The above two statements are contradictory, do you see why?
What are your thoughts on the original question?
XaQ Morphy
> What are your thoughts on the original question?
With that little information, the only answer is "it depends."
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Dutch
> On Aug 30 2008 4:17 PM, Dutch wrote:
>
>> What are your thoughts on the original question?
>
> With that little information, the only answer is "it depends."
What further information do you need? Stakes, low,
Player skill, average low stakes online players. Table
size, nine.
garycarson
> "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote in message
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> > What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table, a lot of limping,
> > frequent raises with mediocre hands?
>
> Play very tight. When you get a hand play it cautiously knowing a truly
> loose table will call everything to the river. If you flop nuts, trap. If
> you turn the nuts check raise and reraise.
>
Not really a good idea.
Pay more attention to position. Tighter in front, but play more hands
from in back. Be willling to call multiway raises from the back.
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YYZ
> What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table, a
> lot of limping, frequent raises with mediocre hands?
read this post by Russ G : http://groups.google.com/group/rec.gambling.poker/msg/0c533829bf6e8597?hl=en
Play looser with a big stack, but a good way to play a big stack is to
build it up from a small one. By then you'll best know how everyone at
the table plays.
chandler
How about adding position? Stack size? Aggressive? Passive? etc. etc.
In general, the last thing I want to do with a loose table is trap with
the best hand. If they are loose I can get value from my hand by betting,
but there are times when you can get the most value from a hand just by
calling someone elses aggression. I'm just starting to recognize those
situations. I like "it depends."
Chandler
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garycarson
> On Aug 30 2008 5:37 PM, Dutch wrote:
>
> > XaQ Morphy wrote:
> > > On Aug 30 2008 4:17 PM, Dutch wrote:
> > >
> > >> What are your thoughts on the original question?
> > >
> > > With that little information, the only answer is "it depends."
> >
> > What further information do you need? Stakes, low,
> > Player skill, average low stakes online players. Table
> > size, nine.
>
> How about adding position? Stack size? Aggressive? Passive? etc. etc.
> In general, the last thing I want to do with a loose table is trap with
> the best hand. If they are loose I can get value from my hand by betting,
> but there are times when you can get the most value from a hand just by
> calling someone elses aggression. I'm just starting to recognize those
> situations. I like "it depends."
The OP was pretty clear about aggression. You might want to read what he
said.
"It depends" is just nonsense. Of course it depends.
Depends on what?
>
> Chandler
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XaQ Morphy
> What further information do you need? Stakes, low,
> Player skill, average low stakes online players. Table
> size, nine.
The big question is what do you mean by loose? Loose preflop, loose
passive, loose aggressive? Loose the whole way down? Do you get people
who will raise any 2, or people who call any 2? Saying "loose NLHE game"
isn't very descriptive.
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XaQ Morphy
> The OP was pretty clear about aggression. You might want to read what he
> said.
The OP said nothing about aggression.
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garycarson
> On Aug 30 2008 4:37 PM, Dutch wrote:
>
> > What further information do you need? Stakes, low,
> > Player skill, average low stakes online players. Table
> > size, nine.
>
> The big question is what do you mean by loose? Loose preflop, loose
> passive, loose aggressive? Loose the whole way down? Do you get people
> who will raise any 2, or people who call any 2? Saying "loose NLHE game"
> isn't very descriptive.
>
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garycarson
> On Aug 30 2008 6:40 PM, garycarson wrote:
>
> > The OP was pretty clear about aggression. You might want to read what he
> > said.
>
> The OP said nothing about aggression.
>
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What he said, in it's entirety, is
"What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table, a lot of
limping, frequent raises with mediocre hands? "
That's one sentence. What do you think aggresive means? I think it
means "frequent raises with mediocre hands". Maybe I don't understand
aggression and should get you to explain it to me?
mccard
> frequent raises with mediocre hands?
See Dutch, the old hands are always good for some "it depends" and an
occasional nugget of good stuff. I paid $14.95 for one of Gary's books and
here he gives you the same for free. Pretty cool, huh?
nickla...@tiscali.co.uk
> What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table, a
> lot of limping, frequent raises with mediocre hands?
Loose Passive (both pre and post flop): The classic calling station,
why are you raising with medicore hands? They would not be betting
unless they have something, nor would they be calling unless they have
something. Tighten up, don't bluff, but vaule bet more of your
marginal hands. (note: value bet, not vaule raise, because they would
not be betting unles they have a decent hand, and they are unlikely to
fold)
Loose aggressive: People who think that poker is a game of 'my balls
are bigger than yours'. Loosen up, but dont play trash. Call more,
raise less, and bet less. As they can bet with nothing, why would you
want to stop them betting their chips to you? Also, these buggers can
make big reraises with nothing, so if you value bet or vaule raise
your marginal hands, you can be faced with a decision for all your
chips with TP no kicker or worse.
nickla...@tiscali.co.uk
wrote:
Our Dear Mr Carson, are you sure that the OP used 'a lot of limping,
frequent raises with mediocre hands' as a description of the table
conditions rather than as a question? IE., should I counter the loose
table with this strategy? I think the latter is more probable because
'a lot of limping' and 'frequent raises with mediocre hands' do not
describe an aggressive table.
mccard
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You guys from the old country really do speak a different English language
than we colonial types, lol.
XaQ Morphy
> What he said, in it's entirety, is
>
> "What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table, a lot of
> limping, frequent raises with mediocre hands? "
>
> That's one sentence. What do you think aggresive means? I think it
> means "frequent raises with mediocre hands". Maybe I don't understand
> aggression and should get you to explain it to me?
Yeah what I read it as is two questions:
1) What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table?
2) a lot of limping, frequent raises with mediocre hands?
I can see how it can be read either way, but since you and I once had a
dozen post argument because you were the only one who didn't understand
what I said, I believe I should get a pass here.
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chandler
> On 31 Aug, 01:07, garycarson <garycar...@alumni.northwestern.edu>
> wrote:
> > On Aug 30, 5:44 pm, "XaQ Morphy" <a1c5...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > On Aug 30 2008 6:40 PM, garycarson wrote:
> >
> > > > The OP was pretty clear about aggression. You might want to read what
he
> > > > said.
> >
> > > The OP said nothing about aggression.
> >
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> > > Morphy
> > > xaqmor...@donkeymanifesto.comhttp://www.donkeymanifesto.com
> >
> What he said, in it's entirety, is
> >
> > "What is the best way to play a loose no-limit table, a lot of
> > limping, frequent raises with mediocre hands? "
> >
> > That's one sentence. What do you think aggresive means? I think it
> > means "frequent raises with mediocre hands". Maybe I don't understand
> > aggression and should get you to explain it to me?
>
> Our Dear Mr Carson, are you sure that the OP used 'a lot of limping,
> frequent raises with mediocre hands' as a description of the table
> conditions rather than as a question? IE., should I counter the loose
> table with this strategy? I think the latter is more probable because
> 'a lot of limping' and 'frequent raises with mediocre hands' do not
> describe an aggressive table.
The latter was how I interpreted it originally. The former suggests both
passive and aggressive table mates. Perhaps we should throw it to some
sentence diagram newsgroup.
Chandler
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Bazzer Smith
> frequent raises with mediocre hands?
Depends what cards you get.
jonathan
almost a waiting game.
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me and you... we'll never get along, i hate the way you play your hands
and you wear your gun all wrong
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Dutch
Good point. I tend to do well with either really good
cards or really bad ones. If I get a lot of tempting
hands I tend to get frisky, fritter away my chips and
end up in trouble.
Dutch
Sorry, it was poorly worded question, and not very
well thought out either..
Dutch
I am eternally grateful.
Dutch
> the answer to the op is tight aggressive. play premium hands strong, its
> almost a waiting game.
I get that, but what if you don't get any premium hands?
Beldin the Sorcerer
> jonathan wrote:
>> the answer to the op is tight aggressive. play premium hands strong, its
>> almost a waiting game.
>
> I get that, but what if you don't get any premium hands?
>
You wait.
You lose a little to eventually win a lot