http://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/8/29/102614/547/253/578438
NO YOU CAN'T
by donguillermo [Subscribe] [Edit Diary]
Fri Aug 29, 2008 at 08:03:32 AM PDT
You can't elect a Presidential candidate who is a pathological liar.
You can't elect a Presidential candidate who supports a federal ban on
handguns.
You can't elect a Presidential candidate who supports legalizing same
sex marriage.
donguillermo's diary :: ::
Thanks a lot icebergslim.
Thanks a lot geekesque.
Thanks a lot thereisnospoon.
Thanks a lot to all you Obamatons who have transformed a Presidential
race which should have been a slam dunk for us into a close race which
the Democrats will probably lose.
For months, the polls have shown a generic Democratic candidate
beating a generic Republican candidate by double digits.
The economy is in the ditch. We are waging an unpopular war which
McCain supports. McCain is closely tied to Bush, the most unpopular
President in history.
Yet the polls show a close race, with McCain leading in some tracking
polls. Why is that?
Because Obama is the weakest candidate the Democrats have ever
nominated. Weaker than McGovern. Weaker than Dukakis. Weaker than
Kerry.
Obama is inexperienced and untested. He has gotten by his entire life
on his good looks, winning smile, engaging personality, and oratorical
skills.
The Democrats rejected the most qualified Presidential candidate since
Adlai Stevenson. Hillary would have crushed McCain. No question.
After Obama had locked up the nomination, I decided I would still vote
for him, because I am a lifelong Democrat.
The turning point for me was when he came out in favor of legalizing
same sex marriage. Please don't tell more Obamaton lies and claim
that is not his position.
He opposes the California initiative which would outlaw same sex
marriage. Due to a court decision, the status quo in California is
that same sex marriage is legal. Since Obama opposes an initiative
which outlaws same sex marriage, he therefore supports keeping same
sex marriage legal in California.
QED.
Please do not tell me that I am not a Democrat if I oppose legalizing
same sex marriage. That is precisely the position of Howard Dean,
John Kerry, and John Edwards.
Even after Obama's shameless pandering to gays and lesbians, who
constitute 2% of the adult population, I decided I would not vote for
McCain if he chose either Romney or Lieberman as his running mate.
According to the latest news reports, he has chosen Sarah Palin,
Alaska Governor and former Miss Alaska.
Sarah Palin
http://rattlergator.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8341c838c53ef00e5529557888834-pi
The Democrats are officially fucked. They have nominated a mendacious
gungrabber who supports legalizing same sex marriage for President,
and a pompous blowhard for Vice President.
The Republicans have nominated a genuine war hero with broad appeal to
moderates and independents for President, and a stone fox for Vice
President.
Thanks a lot Obamatons.
UPDATE
I would love to have a substantive discussion, but the censorious
Stalinist Obamatons are troll rating all my comments into oblivion.
Are there no responsible trusted users who will unhide my comments so
I can actually defend my positon?
I didn't think so.
You assholes have no answer to my diary, so you call me a concern
troll, a liar, and a bigot.
You hide all my comments.
Do you understand how intellectually weak you are if you have troll
rated any of my comments?
OK, I am done.
My comments are not being unhidden. You brain dead Obamatons continue
to post insults, ad hominem arguments, and strawman arguments.
I have things I have to do. I will check back tomorrow and see if my
comments have been unhidden. If so, I will be glad to engage in a
substantive debate.
If not, I will be back on November 5, when I predict there will be
much wailing and gnashing of teeth on Daily Kos.
I will be back to say "I told you so, but you wouldn't listen."
William Coleman (ramashiva)
______________________________________________________________________
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
> The turning point for me was when he came out in favor of legalizing
> same sex marriage. Please don't tell more Obamaton lies and claim
> that is not his position.
For such an intelligent man, it amazes me that this issue has such a sway
over you. It's a non-issue for the most part except for the religious
right. Yet, you are the opposite of the religious right. I don't get it.
And I can turn that around right back at you, James. For such an
intelligent man, why is it so difficult for you to understand that God
didn't intend for men to be fucking other men in the ass? I can't speak for
Ramashiva, but I know Ramashiva believes in God and is probably more
knowledgeable about religion than any other person who has ever posted on
this newsgroup. And that's a fact!
-PP
False. There have been numerous state votes on same sex marriage.
Typically, 60% to 70% vote to outlaw same sex marriage.
This is a classic example of the Democratic Party alienating millions
of voters by supporting the unreasonable demands of a small minority.
Faggots and lesbians are 2% of the adult population.
The other classic example is catering to gun control nutcases. If the
Democratic Party would just start supporting the Second Amendment and
opposing the legalization of same sex marriage, the Republican Party
would be toast.
> Yet, you are the opposite of the religious right. I don't get it.
I am not the opposite of the religious right. I am extremely
religious and a committed Christian.
God says men fucking each other in the ass is an abomination.
Enough said.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
> The other classic example is catering to gun control nutcases. If the
> Democratic Party would just start supporting the Second Amendment and
> opposing the legalization of same sex marriage, the Republican Party
> would be toast.
I completely agree with this. The time is RIPE for a broad defeat of these
phony republicans in light of their disasterous handling of EVERYTHING over
the past eight years. If the Democrats would support the 2nd Amendment,
oppose same sex marriage, AND pick a white guy, they could win hands down in
a landslide. I agree that the Republicans would be TOAST!
-PP
Hmmm, I guess that never happens.
Intelligent men don't have imaginary friends just because their parents
told them to have them.
> I can't speak for
> Ramashiva, but I know Ramashiva believes in God and is probably more
> knowledgeable about religion than any other person who has ever posted on
> this newsgroup. And that's a fact!
Here's your sign, dumbfuck...
Dean
--------
: the next generation of web-newsreaders : http://www.recgroups.com
Another blasphemous Atheist. Apparently you do not understand that
you have no basis whatsoever for your belief that God does not exist.
I don't believe in God because my parents indocrinated me. My father
was an Atheist, asshole, and so was I for most of my adult life. You
demonstrate conclusively that you are at best a submoron by making
assumptions about people about whom you know absolutely nothing.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
I am not an Atheist. An Atheist believe that there is no god. I can't
prove nor do I believe that there is any evidence that God exists and just
because a bunch of you dumbfucks have bought into it doesn't make it a
fact. That being said, it is unlikely that the god of the Bible is a real
being. I also think it is unlikely that any of the gods worshiped in the
middle or far east are real beings either. In fact, just writing that
makes me wonder how anyone buys into religion.
> I don't believe in God because my parents indocrinated me. My father
> was an Atheist, asshole, and so was I for most of my adult life. You
> demonstrate conclusively that you are at best a submoron by making
> assumptions about people about whom you know absolutely nothing.
Forgive me, the path to believing in imaginary beings usually requires
parental indoctrination. Wow, you're even dumber than I thought. You
weighed all the evidence and came to this conclusion on your own. Boy, you
really do need to be wearing that sign.
Dean
----
looking for a better newsgroup-reader? - www.recgroups.com
What about the animals that pack the fudge?
Are they evil ?
Thank you Lord for the TV Scooter Morons we are about to deceive
Then why did you characterize God as an imaginary friend??? When you
say something is imaginary, most people infer that you are saying that
thing does not exist.
> An Atheist believe that there is no god. I can't
> prove nor do I believe that there is any evidence that God exists and just
> because a bunch of you dumbfucks have bought into it doesn't make it a
> fact.
Never said it did.
> That being said, it is unlikely that the god of the Bible is a real
> being.
Why do you say that? You have no evidence one way or the other.
> I also think it is unlikely that any of the gods worshiped in the
> middle or far east are real beings either. In fact, just writing that
> makes me wonder how anyone buys into religion.
It's called an epiphany or a theophany. A direct face to face
encounter with God. Once you have this experience, all doubts about
the reality of God are permanently removed. There is no point in
debating religion or another person's religious experiences and
beliefs. For those who know God, no proof of his existence is
necessary. For those who do not know God, no proof is possible.
> > I don't believe in God because my parents indocrinated me. My father
> > was an Atheist, asshole, and so was I for most of my adult life. You
> > demonstrate conclusively that you are at best a submoron by making
> > assumptions about people about whom you know absolutely nothing.
>
> Forgive me, the path to believing in imaginary beings usually requires
> parental indoctrination. Wow, you're even dumber than I thought.
Listen, Sparky. I have a 200+ IQ and would trounce you if we both
took the same IQ test at the same time. How much would you care to
wager? I will wager up to $100,000. So, how much do you want to bet
that you are a slackjawed idiot compared to me? Put up your money or
sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
> You weighed all the evidence and came to this conclusion on your own.
Do you understand that your understanding of religion is sophomoric at
best? I didn't weigh any evidence. There is no evidence for or
against the existence of God.
I had a personal experience in which God made it very clear to me that
he is very real.
Please do not tell me that I am delusional. How the fuck would you
know whether my personal encounters with God are real or imaginary???
William Coleman (ramashiva)
> I am not an Atheist. An Atheist believe that there is no god.
Which is pretty strongly implied by your use of the phrase "imaginary
being".
____________________________________________________________________
> God says men fucking each other in the ass is an abomination.
>
> Enough said.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
He also mentioned Pi was 3, slavery was ok, and he didn't exactly throw
RAPE under the bus.
Bryan
-----
> Bill, i admire your convictions.
It shows a lot, his political party takes a stance he doesn't like and he
let's people know about it.
Bush took out multiple mortgages on our future. Yet they still stand in
line and shout "Make the tax cuts permanent!"
Bryan
------
>Bush took out multiple mortgages on our future. Yet they still stand in
>line and shout "Make the tax cuts permanent!"
some people are standing in line shouting" cut the spending".
There is no evidence that your god exists. That doesn't make me an
athiest. I don't know that it doesn't, but it's unlikely.
> > That being said, it is unlikely that the god of the Bible is a real
> > being.
>
> Why do you say that? You have no evidence one way or the other.
Nice try, it's not a 50/50 proposition. Let's see, how about unicorns, do
you believe in unicorns? There's no evidence one way or another for them
either but it's probably unlikely.
> It's called an epiphany or a theophany. A direct face to face
> encounter with God. Once you have this experience, all doubts about
> the reality of God are permanently removed. There is no point in
> debating religion or another person's religious experiences and
> beliefs. For those who know God, no proof of his existence is
> necessary. For those who do not know God, no proof is possible.
I see that you give up and admit you're a fucking idiot. Thanks, you
better get that sign on now.
> Listen, Sparky. I have a 200+ IQ and would trounce you if we both
> took the same IQ test at the same time. How much would you care to
> wager? I will wager up to $100,000. So, how much do you want to bet
> that you are a slackjawed idiot compared to me? Put up your money or
> sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
I think you should lick the back of my sack, it's cold and dry at the
moment.
> Do you understand that your understanding of religion is sophomoric at
> best? I didn't weigh any evidence. There is no evidence for or
> against the existence of God.
Which means that existence is far from likely, much like unicorns.
> I had a personal experience in which God made it very clear to me that
> he is very real.
>
> Please do not tell me that I am delusional. How the fuck would you
> know whether my personal encounters with God are real or imaginary???
Oh, ok. You get a free pass because you claim it's "god"? Sorry, but
you're a obviously a dumbfuck. I had a personal experiece with unicorns,
who are you to question me?
Dean
> > I also think it is unlikely that any of the gods worshiped in the
> > middle or far east are real beings either. In fact, just writing that
> > makes me wonder how anyone buys into religion.
>
> It's called an epiphany or a theophany. A direct face to face
> encounter with God. Once you have this experience, all doubts about
> the reality of God are permanently removed. There is no point in
> debating religion or another person's religious experiences and
> beliefs. For those who know God, no proof of his existence is
> necessary. For those who do not know God, no proof is possible.
well said
------
* kill-files, watch-lists, favorites, and more.. www.recgroups.com
No, but your claiming He is an imaginary being does.
> I don't know that it doesn't, but it's unlikely.
>
> > > That being said, it is unlikely that the god of the Bible is a real
> > > being.
>
> > Why do you say that? You have no evidence one way or the other.
>
> Nice try, it's not a 50/50 proposition. Let's see, how about unicorns, do
> you believe in unicorns? There's no evidence one way or another for them
> either but it's probably unlikely.
See, 90% of the people in the world do not believe in unicorns. 90%
of the people in the world believe in God. Your analogy is not
apposite.
> > It's called an epiphany or a theophany. A direct face to face
> > encounter with God. Once you have this experience, all doubts about
> > the reality of God are permanently removed. There is no point in
> > debating religion or another person's religious experiences and
> > beliefs. For those who know God, no proof of his existence is
> > necessary. For those who do not know God, no proof is possible.
>
> I see that you give up and admit you're a fucking idiot. Thanks, you
> better get that sign on now.
>
> > Listen, Sparky. I have a 200+ IQ and would trounce you if we both
> > took the same IQ test at the same time. How much would you care to
> > wager? I will wager up to $100,000. So, how much do you want to bet
> > that you are a slackjawed idiot compared to me? Put up your money or
> > sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
>
> I think you should lick the back of my sack, it's cold and dry at the
> moment.
You would like that, wouldn't you? Are you a cocksucking, assfucking,
limp-wristed, HIV-infected faggot? I thought so.
> > Do you understand that your understanding of religion is sophomoric at
> > best? I didn't weigh any evidence. There is no evidence for or
> > against the existence of God.
>
> Which means that existence is far from likely, much like unicorns.
As the poet Donald Rumsfeld said, absence of evidence is not evidence
of absence. You seriously need to take a course in elementary logic.
> > I had a personal experience in which God made it very clear to me that
> > he is very real.
>
> > Please do not tell me that I am delusional. How the fuck would you
> > know whether my personal encounters with God are real or imaginary???
>
> Oh, ok. You get a free pass because you claim it's "god"? Sorry, but
> you're a obviously a dumbfuck.
Again, how much do you want to wager on the outcome of an IQ test???
You ducked that question. I am waiting for an answer.
> I had a personal experiece with unicorns,
Did you really? Tell me more.
> who are you to question me?
I would never question the validity of another person's subjective
experiences. Anyone who does is epistemologically challenged.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
still can't tell how serious you are or where to put you on the
continuum between corny (ha ha) and scary. maybe it's better that
way.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M_PnziFlCpE
> I don't believe in God because my parents indocrinated me.
> My father was an Atheist,
It's hypocritical for atheists to indoctrinate their children.
>Please do not tell me that I am not a Democrat if I oppose legalizing
>same sex marriage. That is precisely the position of Howard Dean,
>John Kerry, and John Edwards.
Request denied. You're a Republican. Enjoy it.
Know god, no peace.... no god, know peace.
> I had a personal experience in which God made it very clear
> to me that he is very real.
Was his name Jose Cuervo?
> Please do not tell me that I am delusional. How the fuck would you
> know whether my personal encounters with God are real or imaginary???
He told me.
Thanks for proving once again that you are a submoron. I have been a
registered Democrat all my life. I have NEVER voted for a Republican
for any office.
Who the fuck do you think you are? What makes you think you are
qualified to be the arbiter of who is a Democrat and who is a
Republican?
The Democratic Party does not need clueless clowns like you who are
quick to label as a Republican anyone who disagrees with them on any
issue.
You and all those like you are an embarrassment to the Democratic
Party.
Go fuck yourself and the horse you rode in on.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Hear, hear!
How dare *any* parent expose their children to reason.
Jim
Neither 10% belief nor 90% is an argument for something being true. Belief
in something doesn't make it true, nice try though.
> You would like that, wouldn't you? Are you a cocksucking, assfucking,
> limp-wristed, HIV-infected faggot? I thought so.
Actually no, but who am I to cast stones about making assumptions.
> As the poet Donald Rumsfeld said, absence of evidence is not evidence
> of absence. You seriously need to take a course in elementary logic.
You really need to be wearing that dumbfuck sign. You could get hurt
without it.
> Again, how much do you want to wager on the outcome of an IQ test???
> You ducked that question. I am waiting for an answer.
Sure, name the price.
> I would never question the validity of another person's subjective
> experiences. Anyone who does is epistemologically challenged.
My objective and subjective experience is that you are a dumbfuck troll.
Dean
______________________________________________________________________
Never said it did. Do you have anything besides strawman arguments?
> > You would like that, wouldn't you? Are you a cocksucking, assfucking,
> > limp-wristed, HIV-infected faggot? I thought so.
>
> Actually no, but who am I to cast stones about making assumptions.
If you are not a faggot, then why do you want another man to lick your
nutsack? Answer me that.
> > As the poet Donald Rumsfeld said, absence of evidence is not evidence
> > of absence. You seriously need to take a course in elementary logic.
>
> You really need to be wearing that dumbfuck sign. You could get hurt
> without it.
>
> > Again, how much do you want to wager on the outcome of an IQ test???
> > You ducked that question. I am waiting for an answer.
>
> Sure, name the price.
No, you name the price. I already told you I will wager any amount up
to $100,000.
> > I would never question the validity of another person's subjective
> > experiences. Anyone who does is epistemologically challenged.
>
> My objective and subjective experience is that you are a dumbfuck troll.
Your experience is incorrect. I have a 200+ IQ. That is documented
by IQ tests I have taken which are specifically designed to test
genius level IQ.
By continually insulting my intelligence, while refusing to make a
wager on the outcome of an IQ test, you make it abundantly clear that
you are a submoron at best.
I am done with you. You are not worth further replies unless you want
to make a wager on an IQ test. I will be glad to take your money and
show you conclusively that YOU are the dumbfuck in this discussion.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Yeah, yeah, yeah, troll. You're the definition of strawman troll arguments.
> If you are not a faggot, then why do you want another man to lick your
> nutsack? Answer me that.
I didn't say nutsack, you took it that way. Homo troll.
> No, you name the price. I already told you I will wager any amount up
> to $100,000.
Ok, $250.
> Your experience is incorrect. I have a 200+ IQ. That is documented
> by IQ tests I have taken which are specifically designed to test
> genius level IQ.
Sure, troll dumbfuck.
> By continually insulting my intelligence, while refusing to make a
> wager on the outcome of an IQ test, you make it abundantly clear that
> you are a submoron at best.
Troll dumbfuck.
> I am done with you. You are not worth further replies unless you want
> to make a wager on an IQ test. I will be glad to take your money and
> show you conclusively that YOU are the dumbfuck in this discussion.
Troll dumbfuck.
Thanks for playing.
Dean
As long as you lads have stated your opinion about what constitutes idiotic,
unproven and generally stupid beliefs - let me add my favorite:
"I believe hope can change to believe in change we can hope to change Obama
to hope."
Irish Mike
> If the Democrats would support the 2nd Amendment,
> oppose same sex marriage, AND pick a white guy, they could win hands down in
> a landslide. I agree that the Republicans would be TOAST!
>
> -PP
Because the Republicans would vote for the stand-in Republicans?
Why do you pick and choose between different elements of our over 200 year
old Constitution?
If you would marry a man this issue would be TOAST with you. Makes as much
sense as saying the Democrats should violate other Americans Costitutional
rights by telling them what they can and can't do in their private life.
_______________________________________________________________________
RecGroups : the community-oriented newsreader : www.recgroups.com
Veteran readers of RGP are laughing their asses off at you, since they
know I NEVER use strawman arguments. Why? Because I am
intellectually honest and I know how to debate. Two qualities you do
not possess.
> > If you are not a faggot, then why do you want another man to lick your
> > nutsack? Answer me that.
>
> I didn't say nutsack, you took it that way. Homo troll.
Here is what you said --
"I think you should lick the back of my sack, it's cold and dry at the
moment."
Tell me, what sack do you possess, other than your nutsack, which
could be cold and dry?
You are a dishonest lying asshole, who won't own up to what he has
said.
> > No, you name the price. I already told you I will wager any amount up
> > to $100,000.
>
> Ok, $250.
Agreed, although $250 is a paltry sum. With one provision, the loser
pays the winner's travel expenses. Where do you live? I will travel
to your location, and we will go the the psychology department of the
nearest university. I will be happy to take a trip at your expense.
By the way, we will both have to deposit $250 with a third party. You
will also have to deposit my estimated travel expenses.
> > Your experience is incorrect. I have a 200+ IQ. That is documented
> > by IQ tests I have taken which are specifically designed to test
> > genius level IQ.
>
> Sure, troll dumbfuck.
>
> > By continually insulting my intelligence, while refusing to make a
> > wager on the outcome of an IQ test, you make it abundantly clear that
> > you are a submoron at best.
>
> Troll dumbfuck.
>
> > I am done with you. You are not worth further replies unless you want
> > to make a wager on an IQ test. I will be glad to take your money and
> > show you conclusively that YOU are the dumbfuck in this discussion.
>
> Troll dumbfuck.
You have been reduced to calling me a dumbfuck troll. Why? Because
that's all you've got.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
>The Democratic Party does not need clueless clowns like you who are
>quick to label as a Republican anyone who disagrees with them on any
>issue.
Vote for McCain and you're just another Lieberman-ite. Only an idiot
would vote for McCain and if you claim you actually are going to do
that, then you're either lying or a gargantuan fool.
"Indoctrination", regardless of what it is in, does not equal "Exposure to
Reason".
Every time you open your virtual mouth you somehow manage to say something
even more spectacularly stupid than the last spectacularly stupid thing
you said.
_______________________________________________________________________