Post flop re-raise
Mike
I was hoping you guys could give me some pointers on re-raising post flop. It's
a subject I haven't really seen discussed in most books or strategy articles.
For example if I'm second to act headsup after the flop and my oponent has bet
the pot, how much should I bet if I have a strong hand and want to encourage
action without giving a free card. What if I have what I think is the best hand
but want to discurage action. What if I don't have a hand but think that my
opponent is weak and will fold to a strong bet?
The reason I ask this is because I think that I am missing opportunities in
these situations. Plus I think that the way players react to bets preflop and
right after the flop are different than when they are faced with a re-raise post
flop. My guess is that players are more likely to call a re-raise so that they
can give off the impression that their initial raise wasn't a bluff. Maybe it's
a pride thing. I also have an assumption that the skill level of your oponent
plays a factor since players with a basic understanding of strategy might not
know how to react to the re-raise in all the possible situations they may face.
Let me know what you guys think, and what your experiences are.
Thanks
Mike
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Flybynight
"head's up"..so you mean the final stage of a tournament or a 1-on-1
cash game?
MrBookworm
It's
> a subject I haven't really seen discussed in most books or strategy articles.
> For example if I'm second to act headsup after the flop and my oponent has
bet
> the pot, how much should I bet if I have a strong hand and want to encourage
> action without giving a free card. What if I have what I think is the best
hand
> but want to discurage action. What if I don't have a hand but think that my
> opponent is weak and will fold to a strong bet?
>
> The reason I ask this is because I think that I am missing opportunities in
> these situations. Plus I think that the way players react to bets preflop and
> right after the flop are different than when they are faced with a re-raise
post
> flop. My guess is that players are more likely to call a re-raise so that
they
> can give off the impression that their initial raise wasn't a bluff. Maybe
it's
> a pride thing. I also have an assumption that the skill level of your oponent
> plays a factor since players with a basic understanding of strategy might not
> know how to react to the re-raise in all the possible situations they may
face.
>
This is very complicated as you've described it. What was the action
pre-flop? For example, if you raised preflop to take the lead and are bet
into on the flop then that indicates that TPTK isn't good (strength). In
broad terms I'm thinking either how much can I bet that they will call if
strong and how little can I bet to get them to fold if weak.
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Mike
I was in the middle of work when I tried to type out that message so I don't
think the message came through the way I wanted it. Hopefully this post is more
lucid. I am comfortable and feel in my element in most situations at the poker
table when playing NL holdem. this could be cash game or tournaments. The one
area I feel that I have a lack of understanding or experience with is when I
want to Re-raise someone. Specifically after the flop.
Example, really generic and brief example: Ring game no limit middle posistion I
limp with 55 and the blinds both call. Three people to the flop a J 5 with two
spades on the board. The small blind bets the size of the pot and big blind
folds. I want to raise.
This is the type of scenario i meant when I said post flop reraise and refered
to being heads up. Obviously there are numerous ways you can be up against only
one opponent after the flop and numerous scenarios where you would be
re-raising. i guess technically the scenario above would be an example of me
"raising" his "bet" but hopefully you get my idea. I'm just not that confident
"comming over the top of someone" and I haven't seen any detailed discussion on
how much you should raise depending on the scenario.
I'm guessing that unlike preflop re-raise, or post flop initial raises there are
new and unique variables that come into play that don't exsist in those other
scenarios. I'm not implying that there aren't variables in those scenarios but
just that they are different. I don't know if i'm right about this or not but an
example might be that if someone get's re-raised/raised after the flop, they may
be more likely to call with garbage so that they can project the image that
their stab at the pot wasn't a bluff. Protecting their image might help them on
future hands when they want to take a similar stab at the pot.
If what i said above was true than would you change your betting to take
advantage of this? Instead of giving someone 3 to 1 odds on a possible straight
draw would you instead give 2 to 1 since they may be more likely to call even
worse odds than just 3 to 1. i don't think the odds I quoted are correct but i
hope you get my idea.
In summation: How much should I raise if after the flop i have one opponent and
he has raised/bet the size of the pot and I want to,
- Encourage action
- Think i have the best hand but want to find out for sure
- Think my opponent is weak and want to take the pot down with a bluff
- etc....
hopefully that explanation makes sence.
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