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I wonder how many spree killings happened in Iraq before we decided to
spread the American Way over there. Looking at Iran, I don't hear of
too many apeshit killings.
Look, the idea is to make friends, not to piss off as many people as
possible.
> Curious as to how he got 43 people on an army base before being brought
> down. But I am relieved to know that while psychotic killers are serving
> at least the military is effectively filtering out the gays.
>
The shooter was an American citizen. I don't hear the religion or
ethnic background of any other spree killers unless they're Muslem.
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Usually, when something bad happens, we assume the person is just a regular
guy (it is almost never a woman) ... unless the person is black or muslim or
a republican.
This guy in Orlando is, judging from his last name, is a Christian.
Let the record show this and FOX News have a special report on
Christian violence.
WTF is a 'regular guy'? As opposed to a irregular guy?
If we are going to put labels on people, let us at least do it on a
regular basis across the board.
CNN is providing evidence that Maj. Hasan's religious faith "did" play
a part in his decision to shoot people.
As opposed to somebody like Timothy McVeigh, who's motivation for
bombing the federal building was said to be related to the Waco, Texas
incident. Since his personal religious beliefs apparently played no
part in the bombing, there was no logical reason to report it.
>
> Look, the idea is to make friends, not to piss off as many people as
> possible.
One clear factor behind political correctness.
If we are going to put labels on people, let us at least do it on a
regular basis across the board.
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Wow, Bea, I did not label the guy.
The MSM labels the people that do bad things with the label that they feel
is best for their listeners or watchers.
I appoint you labelette in chief. Please mention whenever anyone
stereotypes anyone.
It is going to be a difficult job "across the board" but you can do it.
[And you can label the women too if you want.]
> Look, the idea is to make friends, not to piss off as many people as
> possible.
One clear factor behind political correctness.
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It takes two to tango.
Or that it is cogent. As in this case. It was committed because of his
Muslim beliefs.
> This guy in Orlando is, judging from his last name, is a Christian.
> Let the record show this and FOX News have a special report on
> Christian violence.
Sorry, did he commit his crime because of his "christian" beliefs?
Some people do, and then it is a cogent fact.
He did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs". We don't know why he
killed,yet. He was from an immigrant family -- stress. He claims to
been harrased fror his religion and ethnic background -- more stress.
He has spent the last few years counseling return vets suffering from
PTSD, lsitening to their horrors and nightmares -- even more stress.
He appears he was going to be sent into the same war zone -- stressed
until he snapped.
The tip of the iceberg. We are going to be paying for this nutso war
for a long time.
>He did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs".
? you know this how?
>We don't know why he killed,yet.
But you know he did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs".
I think you better get in touch with CSIFortHood and share this information.
Would "some people" refer to the Ft. Hood shooter? I'm wondering how you
know he did what he did for religious reasons. Why couldn't it have been
for political reasons? Or, personal reasons? How do you know?
I think you are too FOXed up to discuss this rationally. But you did
give me a better understanding about what is happening. The Thrush
Limbergs of the airwaves will be crowing about how this is Mr Obama's
9/11, he should have protected us from this deep mole, and America is
not safe from the enemy. Watch how this become a big conspiracy
He has been requesting for years to be released from service apparently
because he is opposed to our political leaders employing our armed forces
for imperialist purposes. They ignored his requests.
If Daniel Ellsbeg was a Christian would his actions be attributed to
Christianity? If not, why not?
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I have stated many times I watch MSNBC - almost exclusively.
If you know that FOX is saying something, it is because you are watching it,
not me. So tell us, what are the Thrush Limbergs of the airwaves saying?
CNN (on the internet) is claiming that the family is saying that this IS
religious motivated.
But keep spouting, and don't forget those cites you keep asking me for.
> On Nov 6 2009 3:01 PM, johnny_t wrote:
>
> > Ramashiva Jr wrote:
> >
> > > This guy in Orlando is, judging from his last name, is a Christian.
> > > Let the record show this and FOX News have a special report on
> > > Christian violence.
> >
> > Sorry, did he commit his crime because of his "christian" beliefs?
> > Some people do, and then it is a cogent fact.
>
> Would "some people" refer to the Ft. Hood shooter? I'm wondering how you
> know he did what he did for religious reasons. Why couldn't it have been
> for political reasons? Or, personal reasons? How do you know?
Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly talking about how the US
should not be in the wars, especially to his patients (who he was
counseling for PTSD after returning home), and 2) he was yelling "god is
great" while shooting.
Brew
--
Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
FEAR - Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
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> On Nov 6 2009 4:36 PM, Ramashiva Jr wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6, 1:59�pm, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote:
> > > Ramashiva Jr wrote:
> > > > The shooter was an American citizen. I don't hear the religion or
> > > > ethnic background of any other spree killers unless they're Muslem.
> > >
> > > Or that it is cogent. �As in this case. �It was committed because of his
> > > Muslim beliefs.
> >
> > He did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs". We don't know why he
> > killed,yet. He was from an immigrant family -- stress. He claims to
> > been harrased fror his religion and ethnic background -- more stress.
> > He has spent the last few years counseling return vets suffering from
> > PTSD, lsitening to their horrors and nightmares -- even more stress.
> > He appears he was going to be sent into the same war zone -- stressed
> > until he snapped.
> >
> > The tip of the iceberg. We are going to be paying for this nutso war
> > for a long time.
>
> He has been requesting for years to be released from service apparently
> because he is opposed to our political leaders employing our armed forces
> for imperialist purposes. They ignored his requests.
Um, they can't let him out for those reasons. If they did, everyone would
do the same thing. He marked "no religious affiliation" on his army
application, and the army paid for his medical training. He didn't want
to go to war? Waaaaa, don't join the fucking army then.
>
> If Daniel Ellsbeg was a Christian would his actions be attributed to
> Christianity? If not, why not?
Brew
--
Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
FEAR - Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
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>On Nov 6 2009 4:36 PM, Ramashiva Jr wrote:
>
>> On Nov 6, 1:59�pm, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote:
>> > Ramashiva Jr wrote:
>> > > The shooter was an American citizen. I don't hear the religion or
>> > > ethnic background of any other spree killers unless they're Muslem.
>> >
Most spree killers don't start out their rampages yelling "Allahu
Akhbar"
>> > Or that it is cogent. �As in this case. �It was committed because of his
>> > Muslim beliefs.
>>
>> He did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs". We don't know why he
>> killed,yet. He was from an immigrant family -- stress. He claims to
>> been harrased fror his religion and ethnic background -- more stress.
>> He has spent the last few years counseling return vets suffering from
>> PTSD, lsitening to their horrors and nightmares -- even more stress.
>> He appears he was going to be sent into the same war zone -- stressed
>> until he snapped.
>>
Yeah
Conscientious Objectors have had a long history of going on murderous
rampages at military installations.
>> The tip of the iceberg. We are going to be paying for this nutso war
>> for a long time.
>
>He has been requesting for years to be released from service apparently
>because he is opposed to our political leaders employing our armed forces
>for imperialist purposes. They ignored his requests.
>
Most Conscientious Objectors have simply refused to go, and accepted
their punishment.
>If Daniel Ellsbeg was a Christian would his actions be attributed to
>Christianity? If not, why not?
>
If Daniel Ellsberg had gone on a murderous rampage at an Army base,
you might have a point.
He didn't, and you don't.
There are reports that he yelled "Allah Akbar" before he started
shooting. I'd say his religious beliefs did play a role in the
shooting. If he were of a different religion would he still have done
it? I don't know, maybe.
PokerChump
> On Nov 6 2009 6:49 PM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6 2009 3:01 PM, johnny_t wrote:
> >
> > > Ramashiva Jr wrote:
> > >
> > > > This guy in Orlando is, judging from his last name, is a Christian.
> > > > Let the record show this and FOX News have a special report on
> > > > Christian violence.
> > >
> > > Sorry, did he commit his crime because of his "christian" beliefs?
> > > Some people do, and then it is a cogent fact.
> >
> > Would "some people" refer to the Ft. Hood shooter? I'm wondering how you
> > know he did what he did for religious reasons. Why couldn't it have been
> > for political reasons? Or, personal reasons? How do you know?
>
> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly talking about how the US
> should not be in the wars,
I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So, where does the religion figure
in? If I don't like nazi Germany's death camps for Jews, does that make me
Jewish?
> especially to his patients (who he was
> counseling for PTSD after returning home), and 2) he was yelling "god is
> great" while shooting.
"Some soldiers reported that the gunman shouted "Allahu Akbar!" -- Arabic
for "God is great!" -- before emptying several magazines of ammunition.
Other Army officials said they could not confirm that Hasan had shouted
the phrase."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/06/AR2009110604350.html?sid%3DST2009110604506&sub=AR
Brewmaster can confirm it.
Anyway, you don't have to be very clever to figure that's a good thing to
say when you're about to go to heaven.
Then, there's this, which doesn't count, of course:
"His aunt said he was constantly berated for his Muslim beliefs and "must
have snapped."
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/11/06/AR2009110604353.html?hpid=topnews
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> On Nov 6 2009 6:55 PM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > On Nov 6 2009 4:36 PM, Ramashiva Jr wrote:
> >
> > > On Nov 6, 1:59�pm, johnny_t <nobod...@home.com> wrote:
> > > > Ramashiva Jr wrote:
> > > > > The shooter was an American citizen. I don't hear the religion or
> > > > > ethnic background of any other spree killers unless they're Muslem.
> > > >
> > > > Or that it is cogent. �As in this case. �It was committed because of
his
> > > > Muslim beliefs.
> > >
> > > He did not kill for his "Muslim beliefs". We don't know why he
> > > killed,yet. He was from an immigrant family -- stress. He claims to
> > > been harrased fror his religion and ethnic background -- more stress.
> > > He has spent the last few years counseling return vets suffering from
> > > PTSD, lsitening to their horrors and nightmares -- even more stress.
> > > He appears he was going to be sent into the same war zone -- stressed
> > > until he snapped.
> > >
> > > The tip of the iceberg. We are going to be paying for this nutso war
> > > for a long time.
> >
> > He has been requesting for years to be released from service apparently
> > because he is opposed to our political leaders employing our armed forces
> > for imperialist purposes. They ignored his requests.
>
> Um, they can't let him out for those reasons. If they did, everyone would
> do the same thing.
You think everyone in the US Army is anti-imperialist?
In any case, the question was whether he did what he did for only
religious reasons. You're drifting.
Your position doesn't make a shred of sense since other Muslims right on
the same base have expressed outrage at what happened. There's only one
Quran.
> He marked "no religious affiliation" on his army
> application, and the army paid for his medical training. He didn't want
> to go to war? Waaaaa, don't join the fucking army then.
>
> >
> > If Daniel Ellsbeg was a Christian would his actions be attributed to
> > Christianity? If not, why not?
>
>
> Brew
> --
> Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
> FEAR - Foreign Policy
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
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No, everyone is "I don't want to die" ist
>
> In any case, the question was whether he did what he did for only
> religious reasons. You're drifting.
>
> Your position doesn't make a shred of sense since other Muslims right on
> the same base have expressed outrage at what happened. There's only one
> Quran.
>
> > He marked "no religious affiliation" on his army
> > application, and the army paid for his medical training. He didn't want
> > to go to war? Waaaaa, don't join the fucking army then.
> >
> > >
> > > If Daniel Ellsbeg was a Christian would his actions be attributed to
> > > Christianity? If not, why not?
> >
> >
> > Brew
> > --
> > Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
> > FEAR - Foreign Policy
> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
Brew
--
Hatred is purity...weakness is disease!
FEAR - Foreign Policy
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sOCcbKAhlY0
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Obama and the lame-stream media are trying to pass this off as
post-traumatic stress syndrome which is bullshit. First, no one made this
shooter join the military. No one made him let the military pay for his
education and give him a pay check, which he took for years. Third, he
was a piss poor solider and had a shitty performance record. Fourth, if
it were not for the insane level of political correctness that infects our
country and our military, this officer would have been given a discharge
years earlier. Fifth, the shooter never served in any war and never served
in Iran or Afghanistan. Sixth, if the shooter really wanted to avoid
going to Iraq or
Afghanistan he could have resigned his commission for religious reasons.
This was a muslim terrorist attack on American soil and 13 innocent
Americans were murdered and another 28 were wounded. A muslim does not
have to be a direct member of alqueada to commit a terrorist attack.
However, the sad fact is that Obama and the lame-stream media will never
admit that truth. Instead, they will try to rationalize this with a load
of politically correct bullshit. Well, in any case, Obama can go back to
fighting his war against Fox News.
Irish Mike
OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The
Nobel Peace Prize!
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> Curious as to how he got 43 people on an army base before being brought
> down. But I am relieved to know that while psychotic killers are serving
> at least the military is effectively filtering out the gays.
>
> Opie-GManager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator reporting to Mr. Popinjay
people arent armed on an Army base .. maybe the firing range and a few
MP's .. but they dont run around with loadede weapons in the mess hall
Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and
does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
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No .. When christians kill people they dont like or encite others to take
up arms .. they are labeled as "patriots" on FOX
Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and
does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
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oops .. shoulda read this before i made my post !!
Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and
does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
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YES!! CATFIGHT !! PULL HER HAIR ...PULL HE BRA OFF !!
Just when you think that youve been gypped ..the bearded lady comes and
does a double back flip!!! John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
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Does anyone besides me see the juxtaposition of these 2 sentences ?
Even I would know that there is something wrong with those 2 sentences
being written in that manner !! :)
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>> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly
>> talking about how the US should not be in the wars,
> I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So,
> where does the religion figure in?
I'm atheist, too. It's easer to see the forest when you're not perched in
one of the trees. When backed up, they always sit on their religion. Before
the elections, Bush said his greatest mentor was Jesus Christ. He said god
talked to him. God told him to go to war. (Apparently telling him to dodge
the Vietnam Draft). Bush is the David Koresh of Branch Dividian. It's The
Crusades all over again. Killing for god. Killing doctors for god. Killing
Iraqis in order to save then. Forcing democracy on religious people as
dedicated to their religion as Bush is to his.
They'll take this Fort Hood killer and hold a Spanish Inquisition; then get
back to the business of spreading god's American colonialism. Didn't people
leave England for American because they didn't like the King's religious
repression?
Jerry (hiding from religious freaks) 'n Vegas
- Artificial Intelligence is no match for natural stupidity.
<skip the but Bush to ask a question>
Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
That's what Doggy has been saying for a year.
Everytime I hear a politician invoke God I have to think, does this
guy actually believe in supernatural forces or does he think the
voters are a bunch of stupids?
Or is he a disingenuous lying fuck?
> But keep spouting, and don't forget those cites you keep asking me for.
Here is a story about true believers:
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07muslim.html?_r=1&hp
Whoever you are I wish you would stop pretending to be pickle and posting
commentary that makes it look like he can't grasp the thread of a simple
conversation. If you have differences with him why can't you just confront
him over it directly? This behavior of yours is getting really silly.
> Ramashiva Jr wrote:
>
> > This guy in Orlando is, judging from his last name, is a Christian.
> > Let the record show this and FOX News have a special report on
> > Christian violence.
>
> Sorry, did he commit his crime because of his "christian" beliefs?
> Some people do, and then it is a cogent fact.
�When a white guy shoots up a post office, they call that going postal,�
said Victor Benjamin II, 30, a former member of the Army. �But when a
Muslim does it, they call it jihad.
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/07/us/07muslim.html?_r=1
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>>>> Because 1) he had been told to stop constantly
>>>> talking about how the US should not be in the wars,
>>> I'm an atheist and I agree with that. So,
>>> where does the religion figure in?
>> I'm atheist, too.
> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
Where did you get that?
Jerry �n Vegas
- Experience is what you have after you've forgotten her name.
I have the Faux Pickle in my killfile, so I never see his posts
firsthand.
I did see that post firsthand, so I conclude it is the real Pickle.
What kind of game are you playing here, risky?
(Asks he so innocently, despite having a very good idea what the game
is.)
>>> I'm atheist, too.
>
>> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
>
> Where did you get that?
You seemed to imply that anyone who was not an atheist was not such a smart
person. You seem to like President Obama and I think that the president is
a professed Christian. I was wondering how that worked out in your view
of such a conflict.
I guess that might change.
> John Hiatt in "Buffalo River Home"
I just YouTubed that song. How can you listen to that shit!
> > The shooter was an American citizen. I don't hear the religion or
> > ethnic background of any other spree killers unless they're Muslem.
>
> CNN is providing evidence that Maj. Hasan's religious faith "did" play
> a part in his decision to shoot people.
but it's mostly bullshit "evidence". I suspect his cultural heritage as
an Arab was in play more than his religion. For the most part Muslims
Jews and Christians tolerated each other pretty well in the Arab countries
until Europeans started showing up. Although this guy didn't want to go
to Iraq he did want to go to Afganastan -- which strongly suggest his
objections were cultural and not religious. Arabs just don't like
outsiders coming in and meddling.
>
> As opposed to somebody like Timothy McVeigh, who's motivation for
> bombing the federal building was said to be related to the Waco, Texas
> incident. Since his personal religious beliefs apparently played no
> part in the bombing, there was no logical reason to report it.
McVeighs motivations were cultural in just as strong a way as this Army
Officers motivations were probably cultural.
Of course they were both influenced by their experiences with the Military
culture. Maybe the appropriate headline in both cases is "Another
American Military Vet goes apeshit"
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Lucky for you.
>...to figure that's a good thing to say ("Allahu Akbar!")
> when you're about to go to heaven.
>
Go to heaven? Oh, you mean because he killed a bunch of infidels.
You're right, that probably played a big part in his motivation for
the shootings.
>>>> I'm atheist, too.
>>> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
>> Where did you get that?
> You seemed to imply that anyone who was
> not an atheist was not such a smart person.
I bet this wasn�t your ever first error in judgment.
Jerry �n Vegas
- A little inaccuracy sometimes saves tons of explanation.
> "Jerry Sturdivant"
>
> >>> I'm atheist, too.
> >
> >> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
> >
> > Where did you get that?
>
> You seemed to imply that anyone who was not an atheist was not such a smart
> person.
The only problem I see with your comment is that he didn't. Whoever you
are.
> You seem to like President Obama and I think that the president is
> a professed Christian. I was wondering how that worked out in your view
> of such a conflict.
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The editorial additions are all yours, fool. Why don't you just talk to
yourself? Oh, yeah, OK . . . that's what you're doing already.
Muslims are known to say "God Is Great" in conjunction with all kinds of
occurences- childbirths, avoidance of a serious injury or any kind of
dangerous mishap, a day of beautiful weather, etc. It's no more sinister
than a Christian saying, "praise be to the Lord."
A muslim who expects to get shot dead in a few minutes could logically be
expected to yell, "God is great."
This thread of yours is for Kool-Aid clowns. This guy quite obviously had
all kinds of issues. His family was probably ethnically cleansed (with
American financing) from a homeland his family had lived in for hundreds
of years, yet he served in the US Army and told family members that the
Army was his life. That apparently wore off as he experienced years of
being shunned and often referred to as a "camel jockey" by his "fellow
soldiers". He wrote "Allah" on the outside of the door to his home. I
would guess that most Muslims said, "Huh?", when they read that. But you
portray this, evidenced by the title of your thread, as an episode in some
deeply needed mental construct of yours that there is a war of Islam
against the "west".
When you fuck over millions of people for decades on end you have to be a
real peabrain to think that a few of them aren't going to lose it. You
have to be an even bigger peabrain to pretend that you aren't doing
something wrong and that they're losing it only because their religion is
"inferior".
Los Angeles Times reported:
"He said he didn't want to go to Iraq or Afghanistan,"
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fort-hood-hasan7-2009nov07,0,4710653.story
> Maybe the appropriate headline should be "Another
> American Military Vet goes apeshit"
>
Possibly, but we'll know better after we get him up on the waterboard.
That always helps.
>>>>> I'm atheist, too.
>
>>>> Are you saying that Obama is an atheist?
>
>>> Where did you get that?
>
>> You seemed to imply that anyone who was
>> not an atheist was not such a smart person.
>
> I bet this wasn�t your ever first error in judgment.
Since you snipped the context, your attempt at witty repartee is just a
silly schoolyard taunt.
I'm against anyone being injured but the one thing I don't get is why he
shot thirteen people at random when there are plenty of a-holes like you
around. Logically speaking, I mean.
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>>>>>> I'm atheist, too.
And yet you were still wrong.
Jerry �n Vegas
- Republicans... Bad ideas searching for a big budget.