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From Rasmussen:
(note: Republicans are ahead on ethics, even with two Republican soap
operas currently in the news. Once that's over, Republicans are likely
to widen that lead)
......................................................................................
Trust on Issues
Voters Trust GOP More than Democrats on Eight of 10 Key Issues
Thursday, July 09, 2009
Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on eight out of 10 key
electoral issues, including, for the second straight month, the top
issue of the economy. They've also narrowed the gap on the remaining two
issues, the traditionally Democratic strong suits of health care and
education.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that voters
trust the GOP more on economic issues 46% to 41%, showing little change
from the six-point lead the party held last month. This is just the
second time in over two years of polling the GOP has held the advantage
on economic issues. The parties were close on the issue in May, with the
Democrats holding a one-point lead.
Voters not affiliated with either party trust Republicans more to handle
the economy by a 46% to 32% margin.
Last week’s report of 9.5 percent unemployment, the highest
since 1983, raised doubts about the economy and the president's handling
of it. Consumer and investor confidence is now down to the lowest levels
in three months. Just 39% now say President Obama is doing a good or an
excellent job on the economy while 43% rate his performance as poor.
Those are by far the weakest numbers yet for the president.
The president's approval ratings also have fallen to new lows in the
Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
(Want a free daily e-mail update? Sign up now. If it's in the news, it's
in our polls.) Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.
Most voters (52%) now trust Republicans more on the issue of taxes, also
the highest level found in over two years. Only 36% trust Democrats more
on taxes. A survey conducted at the end of June found that 39% of voters
now expect their taxes to go up under Obama, the highest level of
concern measured to date.
On national security, Republicans hold a 49% to 40% lead over Democrats.
That’s down from a 15-point lead last month.
For the second straight month, voters put North Korea at the top of the
list of biggest threats to U.S. national security.
Republicans hold a four-point lead on the issue of the War in Iraq, down
from an eight-point advantage in June.
Even though American troops have now pulled out of all cities in Iraq
and still are on schedule to be completely withdrawn by the end of 2011,
64% of U.S. voters do not believe the war in Iraq is over.
The GOP has a 40% to 34% lead on the issue of immigration and is ahead
46% to 39% on abortion.
Republicans also edge out Democrats on government ethics and corruption
for the second straight month, 34% to 33%. In June, the GOP held a
six-point advantage on the issue.
Also for the first time in over two years, Republicans lead Democrats on
the issue of Social Security 42% to 37%. Democrats held a six-point lead
on the issue last month, and the parties were tied in April.
Democrats have also seen their leads shrink on two of the
party’s strong points, health care and education. The party
holds a four-point lead on health care, down from 18 points in May. The
Democrats’ advantage on the issue is the smallest found in over
two years.
Voters are evenly divided when it comes to the health care reform plans
being promoted by the president and Democrats in Congress.
On education, Democrats lead Republicans 41% to 38%, also the smallest
margin in over two years. Democrats held a 15-point lead in May on the
issue.
Fifty-four percent (54%) of all voters say the average congressional
Democrat is more liberal than they are, while 36% believe the average
Republican congressman is more conservative in comparison to themselves.
Just 44% say their own representative in Congress is about the same as
them ideologically.
Republican candidates lead Democrats for the second straight week in the
latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot. Support for the GOP
remains unchanged this week - at its highest level over the past year,
but support for Democrats dropped one point to tie its lowest level in
the same time period
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Issue
Democrats
Republicans
Health Care
46%
42%
Economy
41%
46%
Education
41%
38%
Iraq
41%
45%
Nat'l Security
40%
49%
Abortion
39%
46%
Social Security
37%
42%
Taxes
36%
52%
Immigration
34%
40%
Gov't Ethics
33%
34%
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ramashiva
but I do not give a fuck what you dismiss. The following poll was
conducted for Daily Kos by Research 2000, which is a perfectly
reputable polling organization.
I am sure you will claim that Research 2000 is just a Daily Kos
front. To preemptively refute this assertion, I suggest you look at
some of Research 2000's clients. As I said, they are a perfectly
reputable polling organization, and Daily Kos is one of many clients.
The poll was conducted during the same time frame as the Rasmussen
poll you cite, and has a smaller margin of error.
http://www.dailykos.com/weeklytrends
I want to call your attention to the following statistics --
Congressional Democrats -- Approve 43%, Disapprove 50%
Congressional Republicans -- Approve 12%, Disapprove 71%
Democratic Party -- Approve 49%, Disapprove 45%
Republican Party -- Approve 22%, Disapprove 72%
Any suggestion that the public somehow views the Republicans more
favorably than the Democrats is the purest nonsense.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
ramashiva
> From Rasmussen:
> Republican candidates lead Democrats for the second straight week in the
> latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot. Support for the GOP
> remains unchanged this week - at its highest level over the past year,
> but support for Democrats dropped one point to tie its lowest level in
> the same time period
Here is the smoking gun which proves conclusively that Rasmussen polls
are consistently biased in favor of Republicans --
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/generic_congressional_vote-901.html#polls
I want you to note that, since last September, Rasmussen is the ONLY
polling organization to find the Republicans leading in the Generic
Congressional Vote. During that time, Rasmussen has found the
Republicans leading six times and tied five times. NPR did get a tie
vote on one occasion.
EVERY other poll by EVERY other polling organization shows the
Democrats leading.
Rasmussen has absolutely no credibility on any issue involving the
public's comparative perceptions of the two parties.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Irish Mike
bill is not working. The private sector has lost 2,500.000 jobs since Obama
was sworn in to office, unemployment is a record highs and we have the
biggest deficits in the history of this country. However, the real drop in
ratings for Obama and the Democrats is going to come when Obama tries to
pass his second spendulous package.
Irish Mike
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From Rasmussen:
(note: Republicans are ahead on ethics, even with two Republican soap
operas currently in the news. Once that's over, Republicans are likely
to widen that lead)
......................................................................................
Trust on Issues
Voters Trust GOP More than Democrats on Eight of 10 Key Issues
Thursday, July 09, 2009
Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on eight out of 10 key
electoral issues, including, for the second straight month, the top
issue of the economy. They've also narrowed the gap on the remaining two
issues, the traditionally Democratic strong suits of health care and
education.
The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that voters
trust the GOP more on economic issues 46% to 41%, showing little change
from the six-point lead the party held last month. This is just the
second time in over two years of polling the GOP has held the advantage
on economic issues. The parties were close on the issue in May, with the
Democrats holding a one-point lead.
Voters not affiliated with either party trust Republicans more to handle
the economy by a 46% to 32% margin.
Last week�?Ts report of 9.5 percent unemployment, the highest
since 1983, raised doubts about the economy and the president's handling
of it. Consumer and investor confidence is now down to the lowest levels
in three months. Just 39% now say President Obama is doing a good or an
excellent job on the economy while 43% rate his performance as poor.
Those are by far the weakest numbers yet for the president.
The president's approval ratings also have fallen to new lows in the
Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
(Want a free daily e-mail update? Sign up now. If it's in the news, it's
in our polls.) Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.
Most voters (52%) now trust Republicans more on the issue of taxes, also
the highest level found in over two years. Only 36% trust Democrats more
on taxes. A survey conducted at the end of June found that 39% of voters
now expect their taxes to go up under Obama, the highest level of
concern measured to date.
On national security, Republicans hold a 49% to 40% lead over Democrats.
That�?Ts down from a 15-point lead last month.
For the second straight month, voters put North Korea at the top of the
list of biggest threats to U.S. national security.
Republicans hold a four-point lead on the issue of the War in Iraq, down
from an eight-point advantage in June.
Even though American troops have now pulled out of all cities in Iraq
and still are on schedule to be completely withdrawn by the end of 2011,
64% of U.S. voters do not believe the war in Iraq is over.
The GOP has a 40% to 34% lead on the issue of immigration and is ahead
46% to 39% on abortion.
Republicans also edge out Democrats on government ethics and corruption
for the second straight month, 34% to 33%. In June, the GOP held a
six-point advantage on the issue.
Also for the first time in over two years, Republicans lead Democrats on
the issue of Social Security 42% to 37%. Democrats held a six-point lead
on the issue last month, and the parties were tied in April.
Democrats have also seen their leads shrink on two of the
party�?Ts strong points, health care and education. The party
holds a four-point lead on health care, down from 18 points in May. The
Democrats�?T advantage on the issue is the smallest found in over
two years.
Voters are evenly divided when it comes to the health care reform plans
being promoted by the president and Democrats in Congress.
On education, Democrats lead Republicans 41% to 38%, also the smallest
margin in over two years. Democrats held a 15-point lead in May on the
issue.
Fifty-four percent (54%) of all voters say the average congressional
Democrat is more liberal than they are, while 36% believe the average
Republican congressman is more conservative in comparison to themselves.
Just 44% say their own representative in Congress is about the same as
them ideologically.
Republican candidates lead Democrats for the second straight week in the
latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot. Support for the GOP
remains unchanged this week - at its highest level over the past year,
but support for Democrats dropped one point to tie its lowest level in
the same time period
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Health Care
46%
42%
Economy
41%
46%
Education
41%
38%
Iraq
41%
45%
Abortion
39%
46%
Social Security
37%
42%
Taxes
36%
52%
Immigration
34%
40%
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>
> (note: Republicans are ahead on ethics, even with two Republican soap
> operas currently in the news. Once that's over, Republicans are likely
> to widen that lead)
> ......................................................................................
>
> Trust on Issues
>
> Voters Trust GOP More than Democrats on Eight of 10 Key Issues
>
> Thursday, July 09, 2009
>
> Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on eight out of 10 key
> electoral issues, including, for the second straight month, the top
> issue of the economy. They've also narrowed the gap on the remaining two
> issues, the traditionally Democratic strong suits of health care and
> education.
>
> The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that voters
> trust the GOP more on economic issues 46% to 41%, showing little change
> from the six-point lead the party held last month. This is just the
> second time in over two years of polling the GOP has held the advantage
> on economic issues. The parties were close on the issue in May, with the
> Democrats holding a one-point lead.
>
> Voters not affiliated with either party trust Republicans more to handle
> the economy by a 46% to 32% margin.
>
> since 1983, raised doubts about the economy and the president's handling
> of it. Consumer and investor confidence is now down to the lowest levels
> in three months. Just 39% now say President Obama is doing a good or an
> excellent job on the economy while 43% rate his performance as poor.
> Those are by far the weakest numbers yet for the president.
>
> The president's approval ratings also have fallen to new lows in the
> Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
>
> (Want a free daily e-mail update? Sign up now. If it's in the news, it's
> in our polls.) Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.
>
> Most voters (52%) now trust Republicans more on the issue of taxes, also
> the highest level found in over two years. Only 36% trust Democrats more
> on taxes. A survey conducted at the end of June found that 39% of voters
> now expect their taxes to go up under Obama, the highest level of
> concern measured to date.
>
> On national security, Republicans hold a 49% to 40% lead over Democrats.
>
> For the second straight month, voters put North Korea at the top of the
> list of biggest threats to U.S. national security.
>
> Republicans hold a four-point lead on the issue of the War in Iraq, down
> from an eight-point advantage in June.
>
> Even though American troops have now pulled out of all cities in Iraq
> and still are on schedule to be completely withdrawn by the end of 2011,
> 64% of U.S. voters do not believe the war in Iraq is over.
>
> The GOP has a 40% to 34% lead on the issue of immigration and is ahead
> 46% to 39% on abortion.
>
> Republicans also edge out Democrats on government ethics and corruption
> for the second straight month, 34% to 33%. In June, the GOP held a
> six-point advantage on the issue.
>
> Also for the first time in over two years, Republicans lead Democrats on
> the issue of Social Security 42% to 37%. Democrats held a six-point lead
> on the issue last month, and the parties were tied in April.
>
> Democrats have also seen their leads shrink on two of the
> holds a four-point lead on health care, down from 18 points in May. The
> two years.
>
> Voters are evenly divided when it comes to the health care reform plans
> being promoted by the president and Democrats in Congress.
>
> On education, Democrats lead Republicans 41% to 38%, also the smallest
> margin in over two years. Democrats held a 15-point lead in May on the
> issue.
>
> Fifty-four percent (54%) of all voters say the average congressional
> Democrat is more liberal than they are, while 36% believe the average
> Republican congressman is more conservative in comparison to themselves.
> Just 44% say their own representative in Congress is about the same as
> them ideologically.
>
> Republican candidates lead Democrats for the second straight week in the
> latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot. Support for the GOP
> remains unchanged this week - at its highest level over the past year,
> but support for Democrats dropped one point to tie its lowest level in
> the same time period
>
> See survey questions and toplines. Crosstabs for Trust I and Trust II
> are available to Premium Members only.
>
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Obama is the best president we’ve ever had. The phenomenal mess he
inherited from the idiot Bush cannot be fixed overnight. In three
years when he is re-elected his approval rating will be 75 plus. Now
with Al Franken on the team we are on the right track. Keep praying
for failure Travel and Irish. You are doomed to disappointment.
P.S. Travel, please post again when Obama’s approval ratings gets down
to 29% like W’s…. lol
Travel A
Daily Kos would cause a roar of laughter?
Fordham University did a study of the polling results occurred during
the campaign season and through the elections. They found that Rasmussen
was consistently the most accurate poll.
Rasmussen is cited by major news outlets and widely respected. They
publish polls daily.
Even the Gallup poll has Obama at an embarrassing 49% overall job
approval rating in the state of Ohio. Even MSNBC believes the current,
real polls. It's really no wonder that the Republicans are swampng the
Democrats in voter approval ratings; it's not exactly a stretch to
understand voter disapproval of the Democrat party. I mean, seeing how
they control all of congress and the executive branch of government.
Also, "Funny", but Coleman just happens to leave out anything about this
mystery poll's methodology.
Rasmussen has the very best, and provable methodology.
What was the name of that (tee hee) Daily (lol) Kos poll again? Funny,
was that poll on the realclearpolitics.com poll average list? I don't
fricken think so.
How did I know ahead of time that when Obama and the Democrat party
started to tank, that the left wing groupies would get all delusional,
attack legitimate polls, and start quoting and believing in ultra left
wing blog polls. :-) I must be psychic like Ramashiva I guess.
How about a nice follow-up article by Arianna Huffington.
RGP Loner
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RIGHTFULLLY SO..
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On Jul 10 2009 8:57 PM, Travel A wrote:
> From Rasmussen:
>
> (note: Republicans are ahead on ethics, even with two Republican soap
> operas currently in the news. Once that's over, Republicans are likely
> to widen that lead)
>
.......................................................................................
>
>
> Trust on Issues
>
> Voters Trust GOP More than Democrats on Eight of 10 Key Issues
>
> Thursday, July 09, 2009
>
> Voters now trust Republicans more than Democrats on eight out of 10 key
> electoral issues, including, for the second straight month, the top
> issue of the economy. They've also narrowed the gap on the remaining two
> issues, the traditionally Democratic strong suits of health care and
> education.
>
> The latest Rasmussen Reports national telephone survey finds that voters
> trust the GOP more on economic issues 46% to 41%, showing little change
> from the six-point lead the party held last month. This is just the
> second time in over two years of polling the GOP has held the advantage
> on economic issues. The parties were close on the issue in May, with the
> Democrats holding a one-point lead.
>
> Voters not affiliated with either party trust Republicans more to handle
> the economy by a 46% to 32% margin.
>
> Last week’s report of 9.5 percent unemployment, the highest
> since 1983, raised doubts about the economy and the president's handling
> of it. Consumer and investor confidence is now down to the lowest levels
> in three months. Just 39% now say President Obama is doing a good or an
> excellent job on the economy while 43% rate his performance as poor.
> Those are by far the weakest numbers yet for the president.
>
> The president's approval ratings also have fallen to new lows in the
> Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll.
>
> (Want a free daily e-mail update? Sign up now. If it's in the news, it's
> in our polls.) Rasmussen Reports updates are also available on Twitter.
>
> Most voters (52%) now trust Republicans more on the issue of taxes, also
> the highest level found in over two years. Only 36% trust Democrats more
> on taxes. A survey conducted at the end of June found that 39% of voters
> now expect their taxes to go up under Obama, the highest level of
> concern measured to date.
>
> On national security, Republicans hold a 49% to 40% lead over Democrats.
> That’s down from a 15-point lead last month.
>
> For the second straight month, voters put North Korea at the top of the
> list of biggest threats to U.S. national security.
>
> Republicans hold a four-point lead on the issue of the War in Iraq, down
> from an eight-point advantage in June.
>
> Even though American troops have now pulled out of all cities in Iraq
> and still are on schedule to be completely withdrawn by the end of 2011,
> 64% of U.S. voters do not believe the war in Iraq is over.
>
> The GOP has a 40% to 34% lead on the issue of immigration and is ahead
> 46% to 39% on abortion.
>
> Republicans also edge out Democrats on government ethics and corruption
> for the second straight month, 34% to 33%. In June, the GOP held a
> six-point advantage on the issue.
>
> Also for the first time in over two years, Republicans lead Democrats on
> the issue of Social Security 42% to 37%. Democrats held a six-point lead
> on the issue last month, and the parties were tied in April.
>
> Democrats have also seen their leads shrink on two of the
> party’s strong points, health care and education. The party
> holds a four-point lead on health care, down from 18 points in May. The
> Democrats’ advantage on the issue is the smallest found in over
> two years.
>
> Voters are evenly divided when it comes to the health care reform plans
> being promoted by the president and Democrats in Congress.
>
> On education, Democrats lead Republicans 41% to 38%, also the smallest
> margin in over two years. Democrats held a 15-point lead in May on the
> issue.
>
> Fifty-four percent (54%) of all voters say the average congressional
> Democrat is more liberal than they are, while 36% believe the average
> Republican congressman is more conservative in comparison to themselves.
> Just 44% say their own representative in Congress is about the same as
> them ideologically.
>
> Republican candidates lead Democrats for the second straight week in the
> latest edition of the Generic Congressional Ballot. Support for the GOP
> remains unchanged this week - at its highest level over the past year,
> but support for Democrats dropped one point to tie its lowest level in
> the same time period
>
>
>
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>
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> Govt Ethics
> 33%
> 34%
>
>
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>
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>
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>
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>
> Romney Leads Among GOP Voters With Fiscal Concerns
>
> Immigration Reform Gets White House Boost, Still Faces Strong Opposition
> from Voters
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>
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NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS..
RABID IS THE TERM TO PREPARE YOURSELF .
PEDO MIKE PRETENDS TO THINK..
SO LAME..
On Jul 10 2009 10:13 PM, Irish Mike wrote:
> The explanation is simple; voters areABMng that Obama's massive pendulous
> bill is not working. The private sector has lost 2,500.000ABM since ABM
> was sworn in to office, unemployment is a record highs and we have the
> biggest deficits in the history of this country. However, the real drop in
> ratings for ABM and the Democrats is going to come when ABM tries to
> pass his second pendulous package.
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>
> Four surveys of 1,000 Likely Voters were conJillyd by Rasmussen Reports
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> July 5-7, 2009
>
> Issue
> Democrats
> Republicans
>
> Health Care
> 46%
> 42%
>
> Economy
> 41%
> 46%
>
> Education
> 41%
> 38%
>
Natlaq
> 41%
> 45%
>
> Nat'l Security
> 40%
> 49%
>
> Abortion
> 39%
> 46%
>
> Social Security
> 37%
> 42%
>
> Taxes
> 36%
> 52%
>
> ImmiGovton
> 34%
> 40%
>
> Gov't Ethics
> 33%
> 34%
>
>
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> Romney Leads Among GOP Voters With Fiscal Concerns
>
> Immigration Reform Gets White House Boost, Still Faces Strong
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ramashiva
> Gee, wonder how Ramashiva knew ahead of time that a poll cited by the
> Daily Kos would cause a roar of laughter?
>
> Fordham University did a study of the polling results occurred during
> the campaign season and through the elections. They found that Rasmussen
> was consistently the most accurate poll.
Please explain how you can determine which poll is most accurate
during the campaign? During the campaign, accuracy means correctly
reflecting voter opinion. Since we don't know what voter opinion is,
other than what the polls tell us, there is no way to determine which
poll is most accurate until votes are actually cast.
If you look at the actual election results and the final poll numbers
from the various polling organizations, Rasmussen was not the most
accurate --
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Please notice there were five polls closer to the final result than
Rasmussen.
> Rasmussen is cited by major news outlets and widely respected. They
> publish polls daily.
>
> Even the Gallup poll has Obama at an embarrassing 49% overall job
> approval rating in the state of Ohio. Even MSNBC believes the current,
> real polls. It's really no wonder that the Republicans are swampng the
> Democrats in voter approval ratings;
LMFAO! You've got brass balls, I'll say that. Please explain how the
Republicans are swamping the Democrats, when EVERY poll EXCEPT
Rasmussen shows the Democrats leading in the Generic Congressional
Vote.
> it's not exactly a stretch to
> understand voter disapproval of the Democrat party. I mean, seeing how
> they control all of congress and the executive branch of government.
>
> Also, "Funny", but Coleman just happens to leave out anything about this
> mystery poll's methodology.
>
> Rasmussen has the very best, and provable methodology.
Please. I have already shown you that Rasmussen polls are
consistently biased in favor of Republicans.
> What was the name of that (tee hee) Daily (lol) Kos poll again? Funny,
> was that poll on the realclearpolitics.com poll average list? I don't
> fricken think so.
>
> How did I know ahead of time that when Obama and the Democrat party
> started to tank, that the left wing groupies would get all delusional,
> attack legitimate polls, and start quoting and believing in ultra left
> wing blog polls.
LOL. I already showed you that Research2000 has hundreds of clients,
including many news organizations, yet you insist on characterizing it
as a blog poll.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Travel A
University study to educate yourself on how accuracy in polls are
determined.
Also note that the CBS, CNN and Newsweek-ilk "polls" were ALWAYS
overrated Obama by a wide margin during the campaign,
(realclearpolitics.com had daily tracking polls of about fifteen polls)
and not once were outliers favoring McCain. In the end, they were proven
to be way off.
Plus, you have zero understanding of methodology: what demographic
polled (party affiliation spread, "likely voters", registered voters",
"all adults", age distribution, etc.) phrasing of questions, cross tabs,
underlying interview databases, etc,, etc.
Not to mention the polls from left wing media with obvious Democrat
bias.
Rasmussen can actually prove their validity and has the very best
methodology
In addition, you've "demonstrated" zero about the poll you're quoting.
You've merely posted you own written paragaphs.
I mean, it's not even debatable.
It's silly to argue that the leading professional polling company,
Rasmussen, is wrong and some joke Daily Kos "poll" is right. Do you
really think that the Daily Kos would publish anything but pro
Obama/Democrat? Are you that clueless?
Gallup Poll has Obama and the Democrats going down; Below 50% for Obama
at 49%, statewide in Ohio. Umm, that number would include a lot of
"unaffiliated with either party" and Democrat voters.
This: "don't like what you're reading, attack the poll", is laughable.
I'm not going to repeat myself indefinitely, the facts won't change.
Last post on this.
Read it and weep.
ramashiva
> Well, Willy, I think we'll go with the proven facts. Read the Fordham
> University study to educate yourself on how accuracy in polls are
> determined.
I would be happy to read the study if you give me a link. Oh that's
right. You are too fucking stupid to figure out how to post a link.
> Also note that the CBS, CNN and Newsweek-ilk "polls" were ALWAYS
> overrated Obama by a wide margin during the campaign,
> (realclearpolitics.com had daily tracking polls of about fifteen polls)
> and not once were outliers favoring McCain. In the end, they were proven
> to be way off.
Is that a fact? Don't you ever get tired of just making shit up?
Here are the final poll results for the 2008 Presidential election --
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
Please note that the final margin was +7.3% for Obama.
Now let's look at the specific polls you mention --
CBS -- +9
CNN -- +7
I don't see a Newsweek poll, but let's look at two more media polls,
since you seem to think they have a left-wing bias --
NBC -- +8
ABC -- +9
This is what you call way off? Please note that both the CNN and NBC
polls were closer to the final result than Rasmussen at +6.
> Plus, you have zero understanding of methodology: what demographic
> polled (party affiliation spread, "likely voters", registered voters",
> "all adults", age distribution, etc.) phrasing of questions, cross tabs,
> underlying interview databases, etc,, etc.
Please explain to me how you know what my understanding is on these
topics. Once again, you presume to know what I know and don't know.
> Not to mention the polls from left wing media with obvious Democrat
> bias.
And what polls would those be?
> Rasmussen can actually prove their validity and has the very best
> methodology
Why do you keep saying that when I have given you conclusive evidence
that Rasmussen polls are consistently biased in favor of Republicans?
Want more evidence? Check this out --
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/president_obama_job_approval-1044.html#polls
Let's look at the spread between Approve and Disapprove for the four
most recent polls --
Gallup -- +22
Rasmussen -- +3
Quinnipiac -- +24
CNN -- +24
You fucking moron. You are citing what is obviously an extremely
biased poll and claiming it is the most accurate.
> In addition, you've "demonstrated" zero about the poll you're quoting.
> You've merely posted you own written paragaphs.
>
> I mean, it's not even debatable.
Of course it's debatable, but not by you. You are way too fucking
stupid to actually debate anything.
> It's silly to argue that the leading professional polling company, Rasmussen,
Whoa, stop right there. First, please define "leading" in this
context. Then provide evidence that Rasmussen is the leading company
according to your definition.
> is wrong and some joke Daily Kos "poll" is right.
Please explain why you think the Research2000 poll is a joke. Because
you disagree with the results?
> Do you
> really think that the Daily Kos would publish anything but pro
> Obama/Democrat?
You obviously know nothing about the Research2000 poll published by
Daily Kos. They have been publishing this poll regularly for some
time. It was not a one shot affair. The poll has been reflecting the
decline in Obama's approval rating.
> Are you that clueless?
>
> Gallup Poll has Obama and the Democrats going down; Below 50% for Obama
> at 49%, statewide in Ohio. Umm, that number would include a lot of
> "unaffiliated with either party" and Democrat voters.
You keep citing this Ohio result as though it is some earth-shattering
news. It's not.
> This: "don't like what you're reading, attack the poll", is laughable.
I agree. It is laughable for you to attack the Research2000 poll
simply because you don't like what it says.
> I'm not going to repeat myself indefinitely, the facts won't change.
No they won't. Unfortunately for you.
> Last post on this.
Good.
> Read it and weep.
I am weeping, but from laughter, not sorrow.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
ramashiva
> Fordham University did a study of the polling results occurred during
> the campaign season and through the elections. They found that Rasmussen
> was consistently the most accurate poll.
OK, I looked up this Fordham University study which you claim cites
Rasmussen as the most accurate poll in 2008. If you had bothered to
read what you were citing, you would see that this study was published
on November 5 and used a figure of 6.15% as Obama's margin in the
popular vote.
Based on that figure, Rasmussen was the most accurate poll. However,
the final margin was actually 7.3%. As I already told you, there were
five polls more accurate than Rasmussen. Don't believe me? Take a
look for yourself --
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/us/general_election_mccain_vs_obama-225.html
So much for the nonsense about Rasmussen being the most accurate poll
in the 2008 Presidential elections.
I am sure you will keep repeating this lie, even though I have
debunked it.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
James L. Hankins
"ramashiva" <rama...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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OUCH
Travel A
The Fordham study, rating the most accurate polls was supposed to be
PRE- election. The point is that Rasmussen was the most accurate poll
for the ENTIRE election season. Meaning, day after day, poll after poll;
a multitude of results; the clear overall most accurate poll was
Rasmussen. There were a ton of polls and categories throughout the
campaign season produced by each major polling company. Rasmussen was
number one in accuracy.
It's not about the one single solitary poll result that you linked to in
the realclearpolitics.com "final win spread number". Any poll that got
that one result "right-on" the exact final spread number was lucky. At
that, Rasmussen was only below by a little more that 1 point; well
within the "margin of error".
If a poll happened to get that one, single number right-on the final
spread number, that by no means or remotely indicates, that same polling
company is anywhere near being the most consistently accurate poll,
overall. No one with even half a brain would misunderstand this.
Because you don't know what you're talking about, you took a cheap shot
desperation route. You laughably hung your hat on that
realclearpolitics.com link that you posted. Well, you didn't get away
with it.
What you're trying get away with saying, is the same as saying that
someone who never bet on a game in his life, picks the exact score of
the final game of the world series, and is therefore more accurate,
ovrrall, in all games thoughout an entire season, for all games and
teams, than pro sportsbook handicappers.
I'll go through this slowly: hit the link below.
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_administration/daily_presidential_tracking_poll.
Then, at the page that appears, scroll to the Fordham study link (to a
PDF file) Read in the PDF file: Rasmussen at the top of the list as the
number one most accurate poll.
These peole know what they're talking about. You're someone who thinks
you have a Usenet forum "issue" that will make you appear intelligent.
You don't. It's right there at the top of the most accurate poll study
by a major university: Rasmussen, number one.
Suck on that for a while, Hankins.
Case closed. Rasmussen is the most accurate poll. Those other polls were
off by miles in most cases throughout the election campaign process. Are
you really as silly as a drooling Hankins (who knows nothing and has
contributed zero) to believe that a "most accurate poll study" is just
"what poll got lucky enough to be closest to the one single number of
the final election spread number"? Lol.
I mean, in that case, an idiot like Hankins could guess and post a
spread number of the final election results beforehand on RGP, and then
when it happened to match the actual final spread number, claim to be
top retard and number one polling company. In which case, he'd be half
right.
ramashiva
> Lol, did you actually post that with a straight face, Coleman?
I thought you said you were done with me in this thread?
> The Fordham study, rating the most accurate polls was supposed to be
> PRE- election.
Why are you lying about this? The study you cite says absolutely
nothing about preelection poll accuracy, other than the final
preelection poll. Here is what they say --
"The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of
their final, national preelection polls (as reported on
pollster.com)."
Now note the following --
"On average, preelection polls from 23 public polling organizations
projected a Democratic advantage of 7.52 percentage points on Election
Day, which is only about 1.37 percentage points away from the current
estimate of a 6.15-point Obama margin in the national popular vote."
Got that? Their ranking of poll accuracy are based on an Obama
victory margin of 6.15%. When you use the actual margin of 7.3%,
there are five polls which were more accurate than Rasmussen. I have
already provided you with authoritative links which show this.
> The point is that Rasmussen was the most accurate poll
> for the ENTIRE election season.
There is absolutely nothing in the Fordham study you cite which says
this. You are just making shit up.
> Meaning, day after day, poll after poll;
> a multitude of results; the clear overall most accurate poll was
> Rasmussen. There were a ton of polls and categories throughout the
> campaign season produced by each major polling company. Rasmussen was
> number one in accuracy.
First of all, you are lying. Your study says absolutely nothing about
accuracy during the campaign. It merely ranks the polls according to
their FINAL preelection poll. Since they used a preliminary victory
margin which was different from the final victory margin, their
rankings are inaccurate.
Second of all, as I previously said --
"Please explain how you can determine which poll is most accurate
during the campaign? During the campaign, accuracy means correctly
reflecting voter opinion. Since we don't know what voter opinion is,
other than what the polls tell us, there is no way to determine which
poll is most accurate until votes are actually cast."
> It's not about the one single solitary poll result that you linked to in
> the realclearpolitics.com "final win spread number".
That's what the Fordham study is about. I already gave you a quote
showing this.
> Any poll that got
> that one result "right-on" the exact final spread number was lucky. At
> that, Rasmussen was only below by a little more that 1 point; well
> within the "margin of error".
>
> If a poll happened to get that one, single number right-on the final
> spread number, that by no means or remotely indicates, that same polling
> company is anywhere near being the most consistently accurate poll,
> overall. No one with even half a brain would misunderstand this.
Then why don't you take it up with the authors of the Fordham study?
Because they said absolutely nothing about which poll was most
consistently accurate. They just ranked the polls by how close their
final preelection poll was to the actual result.
> Because you don't know what you're talking about, you took a cheap shot
> desperation route.
Excuse me. You are the one who doesn't know what you are talking
about. You are simply lying about what the Fordham study actually
says, as I have shown.
> You laughably hung your hat on that realclearpolitics.com link that you posted.
That link shows that, using the criteria of the Fordham study, there
were five polls more accurate than Rasmussen.
> Well, you didn't get away with it.
>
> What you're trying get away with saying, is the same as saying that
> someone who never bet on a game in his life, picks the exact score of
> the final game of the world series, and is therefore more accurate,
> ovrrall, in all games thoughout an entire season, for all games and
> teams, than pro sportsbook handicappers.
Again, take it up with the authors of the Fordham study. Its their
methodology that you are criticizing.
> I'll go through this slowly: hit the link below.http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/obama_adminis....
>
> Then, at the page that appears, scroll to the Fordham study link (to a
> PDF file) Read in the PDF file:
Here is the link which you seem unable to post --
> Rasmussen at the top of the list as the number one most accurate poll.
Yes, based on a preliminary victory margin of 6.15%. As I have
repeatedly pointed out and documented, when you use the actual victory
margin of 7.3%, there are five polls more accurate than Rasmussen.
> These peole know what they're talking about. You're someone who thinks
> you have a Usenet forum "issue" that will make you appear intelligent.
> You don't. It's right there at the top of the most accurate poll study
> by a major university: Rasmussen, number one.
Yes, based on a preliminary victory margin of 6.15%. As I have
repeatedly pointed out and documented, when you use the actual victory
margin of 7.3%, there are five polls more accurate than Rasmussen.
> Suck on that for a while, Hankins.
>
> Case closed.
Yes it is.
> Rasmussen is the most accurate poll.
No it's not. Why do you keep lying? Using the final victory margin
and the exact criteria of the Fordham study, there were five polls
more accurate than Rasmussen.
> Those other polls were
> off by miles in most cases throughout the election campaign process. Are
> you really as silly as a drooling Hankins (who knows nothing and has
> contributed zero) to believe that a "most accurate poll study" is just
> "what poll got lucky enough to be closest to the one single number of
> the final election spread number"?
Again, that is exactly the criterion the authors of the Fordham study
used. They said absolutely nothing about which polls were most
accurate during the campaign. How could they? There is no way to
determine which polls are most accurate until the votes are cast.
> Lol.
LOL yourself, numbnuts. I have caught you lying about what the
Fordham study says. And I have shown you that, when the final margin
of victory is used, there were five polls more accurate than
Rasmussen.
> I mean, in that case, an idiot like Hankins could guess and post a
> spread number of the final election results beforehand on RGP, and then
> when it happened to match the actual final spread number, claim to be
> top retard and number one polling company. In which case, he'd be half
> right.
You have spent most of your post arguing that the methodology of the
Fordham study is flawed. So why are you continuing to cite it?
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Travel A
Coleman wrote:
Let's look at the spread between Approve and Disapprove for the four
most recent polls --
Gallup -- +22
Rasmussen -- +3
Quinnipiac -- +24
CNN -- +24
" You are citing what is obviously an extremely biased poll and claiming
it is the most accurate."
..........................................................
I wrote:
The above is the only legitimate point you happened to stumble upon
that's worthy of response; within the, otherwise, drivel of your other
post.
First, Rasmussen's latest "overall job approval" of Obama for voters who
at least "somewhat approve" is 51%.
The "strongly approve vs, strongly disapprove"
numbers are in minus territory for Obama at 30% to 37% respectively;
(-7) today
To address the "other polls" situation: were those polls taken from
"likely voters", "registered voters", or "all adults". Are they even
"job approval" numbers, or are they "personal approval" numbers? Do you
even know? No you don't know. As I'm fond of saying: you don't know what
you're talking about. You have zero idea of the methodology:
methodology, which makes all the difference in the world. Also, If the
voter demographic differs, (one poll asking: "likely voters". The other
poll asking: "any random adult") it can be in effect, a different poll
with regard to results..
Rasmussen uses "likely voters" only. They ask straight forward questions
that are not "leading" in any way.
I have seen (rarely) the actual questions by the left wing polls about
Obama programs/issues that had nothing to do with tax proposals, and
they end in: "and you got a tax cut", etc. Let that speak for itself.
Yes, Daily Kos would never, ever publish any poll that wasn't humping
Obama.
And yes, those other polls are from media outlets spectacularly left
wing and exquisitely biased toward Obama.
Rasmussen is absolutely oriented toward objectivity: they publish the
actual questions asked in the polling process, VERBATIM.
Okay, that's enough for now. The more intelligent will get the drift.
Feel free to scroll around, at will, to my numerous, other posts on this
subject.
ramashiva
> Coleman wrote:
>
> Let's look at the spread between Approve and Disapprove for the four
> most recent polls --
>
> Gallup -- +22
>
> Rasmussen -- +3
>
> Quinnipiac -- +24
>
> CNN -- +24
>
> " You are citing what is obviously an extremely biased poll and claiming
> it is the most accurate."
> ..........................................................
>
> I wrote:
>
> The above is the only legitimate point you happened to stumble upon
> that's worthy of response; within the, otherwise, drivel of your other
> post.
Really? My point that when you use Obama's final victory margin of
7.3%, there are five polls more accurate than Rasmussen is not worthy
of response? My point that you are lying about what the Fordham study
actually says is not worthy of response?
> First, Rasmussen's latest "overall job approval" of Obama for voters who
> at least "somewhat approve" is 51%.
>
> The "strongly approve vs, strongly disapprove"
> numbers are in minus territory for Obama at 30% to 37% respectively;
> (-7) today
>
> To address the "other polls" situation: were those polls taken from
> "likely voters", "registered voters", or "all adults". Are they even
> "job approval" numbers, or are they "personal approval" numbers? Do you
> even know? No you don't know.
Just how fucking stupid are you? Of course I know. The registered
voters/likely voters/all adults information is right on the Real Clear
Politics link I gave you. If you click on the individual polls, you
get additional information. The three I clicked on all said they were
job approval numbers. If you look at the top of the page, it says
"President Obama Job Approval" I guess you missed that.
> As I'm fond of saying: you don't know what you're talking about.
Yes, you are fond of saying that, but you haven't given any evidence
to back up your claim.
> You have zero idea of the methodology:
You are so funny. You are so delusional that you imagine you know
what I know and what I don't know.
> methodology, which makes all the difference in the world. Also, If the
> voter demographic differs, (one poll asking: "likely voters". The other
> poll asking: "any random adult") it can be in effect, a different poll
> with regard to results..
>
> Rasmussen uses "likely voters" only. They ask straight forward questions
> that are not "leading" in any way.
>
> I have seen (rarely) the actual questions by the left wing polls about
> Obama programs/issues that had nothing to do with tax proposals, and
> they end in: "and you got a tax cut", etc. Let that speak for itself.
Really? I call bullshit. Please provide a link to ANY poll by ANY
major polling organization which does what you claim. Otherwise, STFD
and STFU.
> Yes, Daily Kos would never, ever publish any poll that wasn't humping
> Obama.
Of course, that's false. Daily Kos publishes the Research 2000 poll
every week. Recently, it has been showing a decline in Obama's
popularity. Here's another tidbit for you. The final Research 2000
poll had Obama at +5. The final Rasmussen poll had Obama at +6. Got
that? The Research 2000 poll UNDERESTIMATED Obama's victory margin
more than Rasmussen did. Your contention that Research 2000 "humps"
Obama is nonsense.
And your claim that the Research 2000 poll is a joke? Look at your
Fordham study. Apparently the authors thought Research 2000 was
legitimate enough to include in their study.
> And yes, those other polls are from media outlets spectacularly left
> wing and exquisitely biased toward Obama.
The fact that you think of organizations like CNN and CBS as
spectacularly left-wing is further evidence that you are totally
delusional.
> Rasmussen is absolutely oriented toward objectivity: they publish the
> actual questions asked in the polling process, VERBATIM.
As far as I know, so do all the other polls. Go to pollster.com. For
every poll they cite, the actual questions are given.
> Okay, that's enough for now.
Agreed.
> The more intelligent will get the drift.
They certainly will. They will see that you are a liar, and that you
are full of shit and do not know what you are talking about.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Travel A
The Fordham Study covered the entire election process up to the final
election vote. That study was an accuracy rating for the polling for
2008.
During 2008, there were thousands of polls. These polls included polling
for each Republican and Democrat candidate in the primaries for example,
and there are fifty states.
Each and every primary or state caucus had a RESULT after the primay
voting was over in that state or caucus. Mulitpy that by 50 states and
two polls each primary for the two political parties; plus, the order
that each candidate placed in a primary.
They had final results from which to base an accuracy study.
Now, read closely, you moron: there were a multitude of other polls just
for the primary elections, alone: there were break-outs for "the
Hispanic vote" "women's vote", black, white, asian, old, young, etc.
These polls all had FINAL RESULTS on which to base accuracy in a study.
What you have done is take ONE result out of hundreds and hundreds of
poll results and try to assert that it's meangful that the Rasmussen
poll didn't MATCH the actual final number of ONE poll. If a candidate
wins by 8 points and the poll predicted 7 points, that's pretty damn
good; especially if a particular polling company is more accuate that
all other polls over a year of campaign/primaries polling.
Are you starting to realize what an idiot you really are? Any dumb fuck
like you could go through hundreds of poll results and pick out where
ANY particular polling company didn't poll the EXACT point number of the
winner in the eventual, single primary election result, etc.
Are you brain dead to the point where you actully think that the study
was based on which polling company polled the exact final number that
one candidate beat the other by in every primary, etc.? No poll does
that, or is expected to to do that, lol. The odds are in outer space,
imbecile.
Rasmussen is the most accurate polling company based on all the polling
over the 2008 campaign/primaries. That's the proven fact.
Seriously, you're really much dumber than you even appear to be. I'm
sure most everyone who may be reading this, "gets it".
You're really sucking wind when people can click to the PDF file and see
Rasmussen at number one on the list. You're now resorting to lying in
your pathetic ranting. And it's obvious.
I won't even continue to pummel you over your complete, clueless idiocy
with regard to methodolgy as I've already done, above. (and a variety
other points). We'll just let that speak for itself.
Rasmussen is the most accurate poll.
You lose. Parsing in desperation won't help you. It's all over but your
screaming.
ramashiva
> I'll make this as simple as possible.
>
> The Fordham Study covered the entire election process up to the final
> election vote. That study was an accuracy rating for the polling for
> 2008.
Why are you lying about this??? You really are beyond pathological.
Let me quote for you again from your own document --
"The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of
their final, national preelection polls (as reported on
pollster.com)."
> During 2008, there were thousands of polls. These polls included polling
> for each Republican and Democrat candidate in the primaries for example,
> and there are fifty states.
>
> Each and every primary or state caucus had a RESULT after the primay
> voting was over in that state or caucus. Mulitpy that by 50 states and
> two polls each primary for the two political parties; plus, the order
> that each candidate placed in a primary.
>
> They had final results from which to base an accuracy study.
Yes, and they explicity stated that their rankings are based on the
actual victory margin versus the final preelection poll.
> Now, read closely, you moron: there were a multitude of other polls just
> for the primary elections, alone: there were break-outs for "the
> Hispanic vote" "women's vote", black, white, asian, old, young, etc.
> These polls all had FINAL RESULTS on which to base accuracy in a study.
Yes, but none of these polls were considered in the Fordham study.
The authors make that perfectly clear.
> What you have done is take ONE result out of hundreds and hundreds of
> poll results and try to assert that it's meangful that the Rasmussen
> poll didn't MATCH the actual final number of ONE poll.
No, that is not what I have done. That is what the authors of the
Fordham study have done.
> If a candidate
> wins by 8 points and the poll predicted 7 points, that's pretty damn
> good; especially if a particular polling company is more accuate that
> all other polls over a year of campaign/primaries polling.
There is absolutely NOTHING in the Fordham study about poll accuracy
for the year of primaries and campaign. Why do you you keep lying
about this? What is your fucking problem???
> Are you starting to realize what an idiot you really are? Any dumb fuck
> like you could go through hundreds of poll results and pick out where
> ANY particular polling company didn't poll the EXACT point number of the
> winner in the eventual, single primary election result, etc.
Of course I didn't do that. The authors of the Fordham study
explicity stated that their rankings are derived by comparing the
final preelection poll to the actual victory margin.
> Are you brain dead to the point where you actully think that the study
> was based on which polling company polled the exact final number that
> one candidate beat the other by in every primary, etc.? No poll does
> that, or is expected to to do that, lol. The odds are in outer space,
> imbecile.
No I don't think that. I think the study authors, as they said, based
their rankings on a comparison of the final preelection poll to the
actual victory margin. I am on pretty solid ground here, since the
authors explicitly state this.
> Rasmussen is the most accurate polling company based on all the polling
> over the 2008 campaign/primaries.
Of course, we have no way of knowing that, since you have produced
nothing but your own assertions as proof.
> That's the proven fact.
Not by the Fordham study you cited.
> Seriously, you're really much dumber than you even appear to be. I'm
> sure most everyone who may be reading this, "gets it".
I am sure they do, if they can read. They can read the PDF for
themselves and see that I am quoting it accurately and that it
directly contradicts what you are saying.
> You're really sucking wind when people can click to the PDF file and see
> Rasmussen at number one on the list.
Not really. Not when they can read the PDF and see that the rankings
are based on a final victory margin of 6.15%, then click on my RCP
link and see that the final victory was actually 7.3%, and that five
polls were closer to that number than Rasmussen.
> You're now resorting to lying in your pathetic ranting.
Please point out where I have lied. Everything I have said in this
thread is perfectly accurate. You, on the other hand, continue to lie
about what the Fordham study said, even after I have repeatedly
pointed out your error.
> And it's obvious.
It is quite obvious that you are totally delusional and seriously
mentally ill. Get help.
> I won't even continue to pummel you over your complete, clueless idiocy
> with regard to methodolgy as I've already done,
Please point out where you pummelled me over my idiocy with regard to
methodology. Newsflash! Asserting that I am clueless with respect to
methodology doesn't make it so.
> above. (and a variety other points). We'll just let that speak for itself.
That works for me.
> Rasmussen is the most accurate poll.
No it's not. Using the final victory margin and the Fordham criteria,
there were five polls more accurate than Rasmussen in the 2008
election.
> You lose.
Of course you know thats not true.
> Parsing in desperation won't help you.
I haven't parsed anything. I have simply provided links which show
that everything you have said is false.
> It's all over but your screaming.
Well, I'm not screaming, but I certainly hope it's all over. It gets
tiresome to provide an authoritative link showing that what you are
saying is false, then have you come back and make the same disproven
assertions all over again.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Pepe Papon
wrote:
>Fordham University did a study of the polling results occurred during
>the campaign season and through the elections. They found that Rasmussen
>was consistently the most accurate poll.
Isn't Fordham University one of those East Coast liberal, commie,
Marxist schools? Why would you believe anything they say, anyway?
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Obama's numbers have dropped because his massive spending plan hasn't
improved the economy or lowered the record unemployment rate. If the
economy turns around, Obama's numbers will bounce back up. If the economy
and unemployment don't improve, if Obama comes back and asks for a second
massive spending plan or if there is a terrorist attack on American soil,
Obama is out in one term and will be remembered as a worse president than
even Jimmy Carter. Next topic please.
Irish Mike
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Fordham Study: Rasmussen number one in accuracy. It wasn't just the
final general election poll, you idiot. A study wouldn't be needed for
that, lol.
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From: Pepe Papon <hitme...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid>
On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:43:19 -0700, nin...@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
Fordham University did a study of the polling results occurred during
the campaign season and through the elections. They found that Rasmussen
was consistently the most accurate poll.
...................................................................................
"Isn't Fordham University one of those East Coast liberal, commie,
Marxist schools? Why would you believe anything they say, anyway?"
I wrote:
You assist me. It doesn't look like Rasmussen is a "Republican" poll if
the study is from a commie, Marist university, and they made the
determination, does it.
Travel A
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From: Irish Mike <ace...@att.net>
"I'd say you lads have flogged this dead horse to death. Bottom-line:
Obama's numbers have dropped because his massive spending..."
...................................................................................
What's your problem. Maybe you'll learn something about polling.
ramashiva
> Coleman, the only one lying about this is you.
Seriously Travel. Get help. You are a totally delusional
pathological liar.
> Fordham Study: Rasmussen number one in accuracy.
Again, based on a preliminary victory margin of 6.15%. Using the
final victory margin of 7.3%, my RCP link clearly shows that five
polls were more accurate than Rasmussen.
> It wasn't just the final general election poll, you idiot.
Then please explain this quote from your cite, which you have
studiously ignored and refused to acknowledge --
"The following list ranks the 23 organizations by the accuracy of
their final, national preelection polls (as reported on
pollster.com)."
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Travel A
well: Rasmussen is at the top of the list. Coleman's attempted twisting
of the implications of this deserve to be up on Alalska ethics
violations.
My own observation of the many primary/causus results, throughout the
2008 election campaign, proved to me that Rasmussen polls were indeed
the most accurate. If Gallup, for example, was the most accurate, I'd be
following the Gallup website results. They weren't and I don't.
The bottom line is that Coleman is lying by trying to use that laughable
Daily Kos poll to assert that Rasmussen polls are wrong. Coleman also
doesn't know the difference in polling demographics and how it affects
polling results. Polling "likely voters" will give a significantly
different return than polling "all adults", for example. It's important
to know the methodology used in polls if you expect to have any
confidence in their actual meaning.
Obama: 51% overall "job approval" rating by "likely voters" who at least
"somewhat approve". Among those who "strongly appprove" or "strongly
disapprove" Obama is polled at 28% "strongly approve" and 35% "strongly
disapprove".
Among "likely voters": voters now trust Republicans over Democrats on
eight of ten key issues.
You can't prove otherwise. You can only lie and obfuscate. You have zero
basis for dispute. You can believe the Daily Kos all you want, but you
certainly can't use it against Rasmussen as anything even remotely
resembling proof. In fact, one would instinctively presume that the
burden of proof would be on the likes of a "Daily Kos".
Also, I'm not writing all this so Irish Mike can blow it off as "beating
a dead horse". I sincerely believe that the Rasmussen polls showing
Obama's sprung trap door of support is accurate, and I'm giving the
reasons why I believe Rasmussen polls, in great detail. Unlike Coleman,
who just pastes up a "hired, pre determined result poll" from the Daily
Kos. (of all fricken places, lol)
Travel A
http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections2/election_20082/2008_presidential_election/how_did_we_do
This is pretty must all that's needed to finally put Coleman away.
The other point: Coleman uses the one result number of the Forham study
and states (somewhere above in this thread) "so much for Reasmussen
being the most accurate".
First of all, it's one result out of hundreds and hunfreds of polls, and
yet he claims it to be representative of accuracy in all polls ever
taken.
Second of all, Fordham gives Rasmussen the "most accurate" rating.
So, what's Coleman talking about then? Well, he's using the Colman
bullshit method of delusionally trying to change reality.
Ummm, shouldn't we believe a university study that states Rasmussen is
the most accurate, along with the above linked, published summary of
Rasmussen's election results and ignore Coleman? Yes, of course you
should. That's what I'm going to do after this post.
He has no point or argument, anyway, because he's just using a single
poll result.
So, then, what's Coleman's problem with all the caps posting and pulling
his hair out? Well, his problem is lying scumbaggery. He actually thinks
he can get away it. He doesn't have a ghost of an argument against the
Rasmussen polls.
La Cosa Nostradamus
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:43:19 -0700, nin...@webtv.net (Travel A)
> wrote:
>
> >Fordham University did a study of the polling results occurred during
> >the campaign season and through the elections. They found that Rasmussen
> >was consistently the most accurate poll.
>
> Isn't Fordham University one of those East Coast liberal, commie,
> Marxist schools? Why would you believe anything they say, anyway?
Not Even close. Who would think YOU would know anything
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>
>
>Re: You'll Luv! This One!
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>Date: Sun, Jul 12, 2009, 5:35pm
>From: Pepe Papon <hitme...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid>
>
>
>On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 23:43:19 -0700, nin...@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
>
>Fordham University did a study of the polling results occurred during
>the campaign season and through the elections. They found that Rasmussen
>was consistently the most accurate poll.
>...................................................................................
>
>"Isn't Fordham University one of those East Coast liberal, commie,
>Marxist schools? Why would you believe anything they say, anyway?"
>
>I wrote:
>You assist me. It doesn't look like Rasmussen is a "Republican" poll if
>the study is from a commie, Marist university, and they made the
>determination, does it.
We can't trust anything that comes out of a a commie, Marxist
university. We must question their motives at all times.
Travel A
university. We must question their motives at all times.
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Exactly.
Pepe Papon
wrote:
>We can't trust anything that comes out of a a commie, Marxist
I'm glad we agree that the Fordham study has no meaning.
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Travel A
questioned at all times.
In fact, it was your suggestion. Congratulate yourself on your first
post to RGP that made sense. Wait 'til Beldin sees this.
Fordham was duly questioned, and passed this time.
And try to work a little harder at memorizing you own words. You don't
articulate very well at all.
Pepe Papon
wrote:
>No, moron, we agreed that commie, Marxist Universities must be
>questioned at all times.
>
>In fact, it was your suggestion. Congratulate yourself on your first
>post to RGP that made sense. Wait 'til Beldin sees this.
So you still think I'm impersonating myself?
>Fordham was duly questioned, and passed this time.
They "passed" because they said what you wanted them to.
>And try to work a little harder at memorizing you own words. You don't
>articulate very well at all.
That must be why I keep getting selected for writing assignments.
Travel A
Pepe Papon
wrote:
>
>
>
Ah, the typical Travel MO. Plug your ears and repeat, "Na na na na
na! I can't hear you!!!!!!"
Still think I'm impersonating myself, moron?