I'm often asked what makes me think that this woman is such a low life. Here are just a few examples of facts that make up what this woman truly is as far as I‘m concerned. For those of you who don't care to read it, you can stop now and save your complainin':
1) Wanna Split it?- Playing in a stud 8 or better side game, Annie was heads up with one other player. After much betting it appeared as though Annie had the high hand and the other had a low made by sixth street. The player with the low board asked if she wanted to split it. Annie said, "Yeah, ok". The player threw his hand toward the muck expecting the dealer to start chopping the pot, when Annie said, "Wait, only if you have a low I mean." Once she said yes however, the pot should ethically be split. Despite virtually everyone in the game explaining to Annie that once she says yes to a chop, she has to chop. She wouldn't budge. Finally, after much hysteria she decided to give the player back ONLY the money he put into the pot. Had the tables been turned, she's still be blue in the face about how unfair that was.
2) I swear on my kids!- Annie habitually leans over to look at the cards of the person sitting beside her in a game, whether they like it or not. Well one day one of the players was fed up with her sweating her neighbor's hole cards and he spoke up about it. She obliged saying, "Ok, I won't look anymore." Not an hour later, a triple draw hand comes up, and she is caught red handed looking at her neighbor's hole cards again. This time the player objected furiously, "I told you to stop looking at your neighbor's cards!" To which she replies, "I SWEAR ON MY CHILDREN I WASN'T". This was an absolute lie. She saw EXACTLY what card her neighbor got and ANNOUNCED the hand before it was turned over, also saying something to the effect of, "Oh you would have made it anyway." **A 4 had been flashed that would have been her neighbor's card. Instead she received a 6 to complete a 2-3-5-6-7, which is the third best hand in 2-7 triple draw (the 4 would have been the mortal nuts).** Later, Annie falsely claimed that the player who was upset with her threw a chair AT HER. Again, impossible.
3) Just checkin'- Playing in a one table satellite for the main event at the WSOP, Annie was up against Tony Ma and Dan Alspach. Tony moved all in on the button, Annie folded in the small blind and Dan began studying. After some time, Dan folded his hand, and Tony threw his cards towards the muck telling Dan "Aces. I had two Aces." Well after the hand hits the muck, Annie GRABS THE HOLECARDS, LOOKS AT THEM, and says "Just checkin‘" as if she had done nothing wrong.
4) Sitting in a short handed 300-600 mixed game in 1999 I was unfortunate enough to have to sit beside Annie. Again, she has a simple rule that she lives by, "It's ok for me to look at your hole cards when I am out of a hand but I can't show you mine because I can't give away any information". Niiiice. Anyway, after about 30 minutes of her sweating my hole cards, I KINDLY say, "I'd actually prefer it if you didn't look at my hole cards since we are short handed and all." (5 handed at the time). About 15 minutes later, another player sits down in the game making it six handed. So know after I've raised before the flop and she'd folded, she looks over at my hole cards again. This time saying, "It's six handed, I can look now". Niiiice.
5) Oh my God, it's so my seat- On a Monday night Annie walked into the poker room to put her name on a list. When the seat opened up, the floor man called out a name that wasn't yet present. Annie said, "If he's not here it's my seat." To which the floor man replied, "He's just outside, he's on his way." "Oh my God no way! You can't do that! You can't lock up a seat if you aren't even here!" After much bickering the poor floor man succumbed and gave her the seat. Wednesday night, EXACT same scenario, only this time Annie was the one who was first up on the list but not present at the time the seat was called. Now this time, she is arguing for the OPPOSITE ruling. "Oh my God, I was right here. I was here to put my name on the list. I didn't even leave the building" (how the floor man is supposed to know that is anyone's guess). Anyway, after throwing yet another hissy fit she got that seat too. This is one of Annie's common practices: "Argue NOT for what's fair and just, argue only for what benefits you." Niiice.
6)This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me in a tournament- At the WSOP main event in 1999, Annie was involved in a pot with another player who had limped under the gun. Annie raised the limper from the button with A-7 offsuit. When it got back to the limper, he went to make a raise, but DIDN"T SAY RAISE, and then went back to his stack to raise even more. Well, in any no limit tournament that is considered a string raise. Not always called, but it's a string raise nonetheless. Well, another player, Steve Kaufman, called the string raise to the dealer's attention. To which Annie shouted, "Oh my God, you're not even in the pot! What are you doing! Oh my God, this is the worst thing that even happened to me in a tournament!" etc. She was upset with the fact that she had now been raised the minimum by the limper and was "forced" to call the extra 60,000 raise. After lambasting Mr.Kaufman for something he had EVERY RIGHT to do, she ended up flopping an ace and WINNING the pot because of the called string raise. "Well maybe that was the BEST thing that ever happened to me in a tournament." Snort, snort, giggle, giggle.
7) Cup Boy- Finally, my first ever meeting of this woman was at the Four Queens in 1996 when I was just barely 22. Up to that point I'd had virtually no success in tournaments in the US, but was eager to learn from the so called "superstars" of the game.
** Before I go any further, It's important to give you a little background info. At the club I played in in Toronto, we had no bottled water, just purified water you could get from the gallon. So I'd fill up a Styrofoam cup with water, and when it was empty, would leave it hanging from my lips so the porter wouldn't take it away and I'd have to waste another cup. This became somewhat of a habit you could say.**
So here I am in this tournament, where across from me was this woman and another well known tournament player. This woman doesn't know me from Adam, but goes out of her way to ridicule and make me feel like an outsider. As though I didn't belong in her "clique". After witnessing her behavior I was pretty sure I didn't want any part of that "clique" anyway. KNOWING I could hear every word she was saying, she says to her "clique" member, "Oh my God, what's up with cup boy over there. I wonder what that cup's all about. You think it's for medical reasons." She then went on to giggle arrogantly. At this point I actually spoke up and said, "If you'd really like to know there is actually a pretty normal reason for it?" Apparently acknowledging my existence may have looked less "too cool to talk to the low limit players" if you know what I mean. In conclusion., with two odd tables to go I play a hand against her in which SHE WINS. I had a good amount of chips at this point and she was all in for less than a bet on the river. I had actually bet the turn with a draw, and checked the river when I made a pair. The board was (10-8-2) A- J. I held Q-J in the blind and called her raise from middle position. I checked and called the flop, and bet the ace on the turn hoping to steal it. On the river I made jacks, but didn't think she would call me with a worse hand but may check a better hand or even bluff. That's not important though. What is important, is that she berated me for playing the hand that way! "Oh my God, if you were going to call on the river anyway why didn't you just bet?? I mean, oh you know what forget about it. I shouldn‘t be educating." I was beyond puzzled, but to be completely honest slightly embarrassed. I was there alone and knew no one in the tournament whatsoever. At the time I wasn't certain if I actually made a horrendous error or not. I may have spoken 20 words the entire tournament, and couldn't fathom why someone would want to be so mean to a complete stranger? Anyway, I later thought about the hand and realized that she was absolutely WRONG about the correct strategy in that situation. Considering the information I had, I played the river just fine.
Couple years go by, I get lucky and win a few tournaments… and all of a sudden she is all nice to me. Phony nice of course, but nice nonetheless. The more I got to know this woman however, the more I was witness to her true colors and the more I disliked her. Despite making my BEST efforts to tolerate her obnoxious personality I no longer wanted to put up with it. The only thing I'm sorry about in all this, is what it has done to many of my friends who happen to have thicker skin than I and can tolerate Annie. It puts them in a peculiar position. That I regret. Other than that, NOTHING I've ever said to her, or about her is something I'd ever consider apologizing for. Those are my true feelings… and I sleep well..
You see, I don't NEED to be Mr. Phony Nice Guy, all I gots to be is who I is. I ain't gonna say what y'all want me to say, I'm onna say wazz on my minds when I feels like it. Na' I mean? Damn straight.
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When the image she is trying to portray is that of a victim of rude, obnoxious behavior, it kind of makes the double standard a bit OBVIOUS!!! She can treat people like shit and it's ok, but soon as anything is said to make her uncomfortable she runs and gets big brother to protect her. She has a big mouth and a shitty attitude. She's getting what she deserves.
On 19 Feb 2003 11:16:27 GMT, ninja1357...@aol.com (Ninja1357924) wrote:
>When the image she is trying to portray is that of a victim of rude, obnoxious >behavior, it kind of makes the double standard a bit OBVIOUS!!! She can treat >people like shit and it's ok, but soon as anything is said to make her >uncomfortable she runs and gets big brother to protect her. She has a big mouth >and a shitty attitude. She's getting what she deserves.
I'm sure she is. But, Danny was singing her praises after those events occured.
So whatever his reasons are for his little feud, it's not the reasons he's giving. I don't know what his reasons are, don't think that matters. But, it does matter that he's lying about it.
In article <7220404a.0302190256.1d051...@posting.google.com>,
kidpo...@hotmail.com (Daniel Negreanu) writes: >...You a cheat, I'll say so. >You a bi-atch-- I'll say so. >You a angle shooter, I'll let my peoples know. >You a fraud? huh, I'll expose you and feel no way…y'understan?
Fair enough.
So...what happened in Aruba that your investor friends at UB don't want you to tell us about? Was Russ Hamilton's explanation on RGP the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Why won't you tell the whole gang here what you told me in email?
Show us your integrity, Danny...y'understan? Let your peoples know.
In article <7220404a.0302190256.1d051...@posting.google.com>,
kidpo...@hotmail.com (Daniel Negreanu) writes: >...You a cheat, I'll say so. >You a bi-atch-- I'll say so. >You a angle shooter, I'll let my peoples know. >You a fraud? huh, I'll expose you and feel no way…y'understan?
Fair enough.
So...what happened in Aruba that your investor friends at UB don't want you to tell us about? Was Russ Hamilton's explanation on RGP the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth? Why won't you tell the whole gang here what you told me in email?
> I'm often asked what makes me think that this woman is such a low > life. Here are just a few examples of facts that make up what this > woman truly is as far as I'm concerned. For those of you who don't > care to read it, you can stop now and save your complainin':
> 1) Wanna Split it?- Playing in a stud 8 or better side game, Annie was > heads up with one other player. After much betting it appeared as > though Annie had the high hand and the other had a low made by sixth > street. The player with the low board asked if she wanted to split > it. Annie said, "Yeah, ok". The player threw his hand toward the > muck expecting the dealer to start chopping the pot, when Annie said, > "Wait, only if you have a low I mean." > Once she said yes however, the pot should ethically be split. > Despite virtually everyone in the game explaining to Annie that once > she says yes to a chop, she has to chop. She wouldn't budge. > Finally, after much hysteria she decided to give the player back ONLY > the money he put into the pot. Had the tables been turned, she's > still be blue in the face about how unfair that was.
> 2) I swear on my kids!- Annie habitually leans over to look at the > cards of the person sitting beside her in a game, whether they like it > or not. Well one day one of the players was fed up with her sweating > her neighbor's hole cards and he spoke up about it. She obliged > saying, "Ok, I won't look anymore." > Not an hour later, a triple draw hand comes up, and she is caught > red handed looking at her neighbor's hole cards again. This time the > player objected furiously, "I told you to stop looking at your > neighbor's cards!" To which she replies, "I SWEAR ON MY CHILDREN I > WASN'T". This was an absolute lie. She saw EXACTLY what card her > neighbor got and ANNOUNCED the hand before it was turned over, also > saying something to the effect of, "Oh you would have made it anyway." > **A 4 had been flashed that would have been her neighbor's card. > Instead she received a 6 to complete a 2-3-5-6-7, which is the third > best hand in 2-7 triple draw (the 4 would have been the mortal > nuts).** Later, Annie falsely claimed that the player who was upset > with her threw a chair AT HER. Again, impossible.
> 3) Just checkin'- Playing in a one table satellite for the main event > at the WSOP, Annie was up against Tony Ma and Dan Alspach. Tony moved > all in on the button, Annie folded in the small blind and Dan began > studying. After some time, Dan folded his hand, and Tony threw his > cards towards the muck telling Dan "Aces. I had two Aces." Well > after the hand hits the muck, Annie GRABS THE HOLECARDS, LOOKS AT > THEM, and says "Just checkin'" as if she had done nothing wrong.
> 4) Sitting in a short handed 300-600 mixed game in 1999 I was > unfortunate enough to have to sit beside Annie. Again, she has a > simple rule that she lives by, "It's ok for me to look at your hole > cards when I am out of a hand but I can't show you mine because I > can't give away any information". Niiiice. Anyway, after about 30 > minutes of her sweating my hole cards, I KINDLY say, "I'd actually > prefer it if you didn't look at my hole cards since we are short > handed and all." (5 handed at the time). About 15 minutes later, > another player sits down in the game making it six handed. > So know after I've raised before the flop and she'd folded, she > looks over at my hole cards again. This time saying, "It's six > handed, I can look now". Niiiice.
> 5) Oh my God, it's so my seat- On a Monday night Annie walked into the > poker room to put her name on a list. When the seat opened up, the > floor man called out a name that wasn't yet present. Annie said, "If > he's not here it's my seat." To which the floor man replied, "He's > just outside, he's on his way." > "Oh my God no way! You can't do that! You can't lock up a seat if > you aren't even here!" After much bickering the poor floor man > succumbed and gave her the seat. > Wednesday night, EXACT same scenario, only this time Annie was the > one who was first up on the list but not present at the time the seat > was called. Now this time, she is arguing for the OPPOSITE ruling. > "Oh my God, I was right here. I was here to put my name on the list. > I didn't even leave the building" (how the floor man is supposed to > know that is anyone's guess). Anyway, after throwing yet another > hissy fit she got that seat too. This is one of Annie's common > practices: "Argue NOT for what's fair and just, argue only for what > benefits you." Niiice.
> 6)This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me in a > tournament- At the WSOP main event in 1999, Annie was involved in a > pot with another player who had limped under the gun. Annie raised > the limper from the button with A-7 offsuit. When it got back to the > limper, he went to make a raise, but DIDN"T SAY RAISE, and then went > back to his stack to raise even more. Well, in any no limit > tournament that is considered a string raise. Not always called, but > it's a string raise nonetheless. Well, another player, Steve Kaufman, > called the string raise to the dealer's attention. To which Annie > shouted, "Oh my God, you're not even in the pot! What are you doing! > Oh my God, this is the worst thing that even happened to me in a > tournament!" etc. > She was upset with the fact that she had now been raised the minimum > by the limper and was "forced" to call the extra 60,000 raise. After > lambasting Mr.Kaufman for something he had EVERY RIGHT to do, she > ended up flopping an ace and WINNING the pot because of the called > string raise. "Well maybe that was the BEST thing that ever happened > to me in a tournament." Snort, snort, giggle, giggle.
> 7) Cup Boy- Finally, my first ever meeting of this woman was at the > Four Queens in 1996 when I was just barely 22. Up to that point I'd > had virtually no success in tournaments in the US, but was eager to > learn from the so called "superstars" of the game.
> ** Before I go any further, It's important to give you a little > background info. At the club I played in in Toronto, we had no > bottled water, just purified water you could get from the gallon. So > I'd fill up a Styrofoam cup with water, and when it was empty, would > leave it hanging from my lips so the porter wouldn't take it away and > I'd have to waste another cup. This became somewhat of a habit you > could say.**
> So here I am in this tournament, where across from me was this woman > and another well known tournament player. This woman doesn't know me > from Adam, but goes out of her way to ridicule and make me feel like > an outsider. As though I didn't belong in her "clique". After > witnessing her behavior I was pretty sure I didn't want any part of > that "clique" anyway. > KNOWING I could hear every word she was saying, she says to her > "clique" member, "Oh my God, what's up with cup boy over there. I > wonder what that cup's all about. You think it's for medical > reasons." She then went on to giggle arrogantly. At this point I > actually spoke up and said, "If you'd really like to know there is > actually a pretty normal reason for it?" Apparently acknowledging my > existence may have looked less "too cool to talk to the low limit > players" if you know what I mean. > In conclusion., with two odd tables to go I play a hand against her > in which SHE WINS. I had a good amount of chips at this point and she > was all in for less than a bet on the river. I had actually bet the > turn with a draw, and checked the river when I made a pair. The board > was (10-8-2) A- J. I held Q-J in the blind and called her raise from > middle position. I checked and called the flop, and bet the ace on > the turn hoping to steal it. On the river I made jacks, but didn't > think she would call me with a worse hand but may check a better hand > or even bluff. That's not important though. > What is important, is that she berated me for playing the hand that > way! "Oh my God, if you were going to call on the river anyway why > didn't you just bet?? I mean, oh you know what forget about it. I > shouldn't be educating." > I was beyond puzzled, but to be completely honest slightly > embarrassed. I was there alone and knew no one in the tournament > whatsoever. At the time I wasn't certain if I actually made a > horrendous error or not. I may have spoken 20 words the entire > tournament, and couldn't fathom why someone would want to be so mean > to a complete stranger? > Anyway, I later thought about the hand and realized that she was > absolutely WRONG about the correct strategy in that situation. > Considering the information I had, I played the river just fine.
> Couple years go by, I get lucky and win a few tournaments. and all > of a sudden she is all nice to me. Phony nice of course, but nice > nonetheless. The more I got to know this woman however, the more I > was witness to her true colors and the more I disliked her. Despite > making my BEST efforts to tolerate her obnoxious personality I no > longer wanted to put up with it. > The only thing I'm sorry about in all this, is what it has done to > many of my friends who happen to have
> I'm often asked what makes me think that this woman is such a low > life. Here are just a few examples of facts that make up what this > woman truly is as far as I'm concerned. For those of you who don't > care to read it, you can stop now and save your complainin':
> 1) Wanna Split it?- Playing in a stud 8 or better side game, Annie was > heads up with one other player. After much betting it appeared as > though Annie had the high hand and the other had a low made by sixth > street. The player with the low board asked if she wanted to split > it. Annie said, "Yeah, ok". The player threw his hand toward the > muck expecting the dealer to start chopping the pot, when Annie said, > "Wait, only if you have a low I mean." > Once she said yes however, the pot should ethically be split. > Despite virtually everyone in the game explaining to Annie that once > she says yes to a chop, she has to chop. She wouldn't budge. > Finally, after much hysteria she decided to give the player back ONLY > the money he put into the pot. Had the tables been turned, she's > still be blue in the face about how unfair that was.
> 2) I swear on my kids!- Annie habitually leans over to look at the > cards of the person sitting beside her in a game, whether they like it > or not. Well one day one of the players was fed up with her sweating > her neighbor's hole cards and he spoke up about it. She obliged > saying, "Ok, I won't look anymore." > Not an hour later, a triple draw hand comes up, and she is caught > red handed looking at her neighbor's hole cards again. This time the > player objected furiously, "I told you to stop looking at your > neighbor's cards!" To which she replies, "I SWEAR ON MY CHILDREN I > WASN'T". This was an absolute lie. She saw EXACTLY what card her > neighbor got and ANNOUNCED the hand before it was turned over, also > saying something to the effect of, "Oh you would have made it anyway." > **A 4 had been flashed that would have been her neighbor's card. > Instead she received a 6 to complete a 2-3-5-6-7, which is the third > best hand in 2-7 triple draw (the 4 would have been the mortal > nuts).** Later, Annie falsely claimed that the player who was upset > with her threw a chair AT HER. Again, impossible.
> 3) Just checkin'- Playing in a one table satellite for the main event > at the WSOP, Annie was up against Tony Ma and Dan Alspach. Tony moved > all in on the button, Annie folded in the small blind and Dan began > studying. After some time, Dan folded his hand, and Tony threw his > cards towards the muck telling Dan "Aces. I had two Aces." Well > after the hand hits the muck, Annie GRABS THE HOLECARDS, LOOKS AT > THEM, and says "Just checkin'" as if she had done nothing wrong.
> 4) Sitting in a short handed 300-600 mixed game in 1999 I was > unfortunate enough to have to sit beside Annie. Again, she has a > simple rule that she lives by, "It's ok for me to look at your hole > cards when I am out of a hand but I can't show you mine because I > can't give away any information". Niiiice. Anyway, after about 30 > minutes of her sweating my hole cards, I KINDLY say, "I'd actually > prefer it if you didn't look at my hole cards since we are short > handed and all." (5 handed at the time). About 15 minutes later, > another player sits down in the game making it six handed. > So know after I've raised before the flop and she'd folded, she > looks over at my hole cards again. This time saying, "It's six > handed, I can look now". Niiiice.
> 5) Oh my God, it's so my seat- On a Monday night Annie walked into the > poker room to put her name on a list. When the seat opened up, the > floor man called out a name that wasn't yet present. Annie said, "If > he's not here it's my seat." To which the floor man replied, "He's > just outside, he's on his way." > "Oh my God no way! You can't do that! You can't lock up a seat if > you aren't even here!" After much bickering the poor floor man > succumbed and gave her the seat. > Wednesday night, EXACT same scenario, only this time Annie was the > one who was first up on the list but not present at the time the seat > was called. Now this time, she is arguing for the OPPOSITE ruling. > "Oh my God, I was right here. I was here to put my name on the list. > I didn't even leave the building" (how the floor man is supposed to > know that is anyone's guess). Anyway, after throwing yet another > hissy fit she got that seat too. This is one of Annie's common > practices: "Argue NOT for what's fair and just, argue only for what > benefits you." Niiice.
> 6)This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me in a > tournament- At the WSOP main event in 1999, Annie was involved in a > pot with another player who had limped under the gun. Annie raised > the limper from the button with A-7 offsuit. When it got back to the > limper, he went to make a raise, but DIDN"T SAY RAISE, and then went > back to his stack to raise even more. Well, in any no limit > tournament that is considered a string raise. Not always called, but > it's a string raise nonetheless. Well, another player, Steve Kaufman, > called the string raise to the dealer's attention. To which Annie > shouted, "Oh my God, you're not even in the pot! What are you doing! > Oh my God, this is the worst thing that even happened to me in a > tournament!" etc. > She was upset with the fact that she had now been raised the minimum > by the limper and was "forced" to call the extra 60,000 raise. After > lambasting Mr.Kaufman for something he had EVERY RIGHT to do, she > ended up flopping an ace and WINNING the pot because of the called > string raise. "Well maybe that was the BEST thing that ever happened > to me in a tournament." Snort, snort, giggle, giggle.
> 7) Cup Boy- Finally, my first ever meeting of this woman was at the > Four Queens in 1996 when I was just barely 22. Up to that point I'd > had virtually no success in tournaments in the US, but was eager to > learn from the so called "superstars" of the game.
> ** Before I go any further, It's important to give you a little > background info. At the club I played in in Toronto, we had no > bottled water, just purified water you could get from the gallon. So > I'd fill up a Styrofoam cup with water, and when it was empty, would > leave it hanging from my lips so the porter wouldn't take it away and > I'd have to waste another cup. This became somewhat of a habit you > could say.**
> So here I am in this tournament, where across from me was this woman > and another well known tournament player. This woman doesn't know me > from Adam, but goes out of her way to ridicule and make me feel like > an outsider. As though I didn't belong in her "clique". After > witnessing her behavior I was pretty sure I didn't want any part of > that "clique" anyway. > KNOWING I could hear every word she was saying, she says to her > "clique" member, "Oh my God, what's up with cup boy over there. I > wonder what that cup's all about. You think it's for medical > reasons." She then went on to giggle arrogantly. At this point I > actually spoke up and said, "If you'd really like to know there is > actually a pretty normal reason for it?" Apparently acknowledging my > existence may have looked less "too cool to talk to the low limit > players" if you know what I mean. > In conclusion., with two odd tables to go I play a hand against her > in which SHE WINS. I had a good amount of chips at this point and she > was all in for less than a bet on the river. I had actually bet the > turn with a draw, and checked the river when I made a pair. The board > was (10-8-2) A- J. I held Q-J in the blind and called her raise from > middle position. I checked and called the flop, and bet the ace on > the turn hoping to steal it. On the river I made jacks, but didn't > think she would call me with a worse hand but may check a better hand > or even bluff. That's not important though. > What is important, is that she berated me for playing the hand that > way! "Oh my God, if you were going to call on the river anyway why > didn't you just bet?? I mean, oh you know what forget about it. I > shouldn't be educating." > I was beyond puzzled, but to be completely honest slightly > embarrassed. I was there alone and knew no one in the tournament > whatsoever. At the time I wasn't certain if I actually made a > horrendous error or not. I may have spoken 20 words the entire > tournament, and couldn't fathom why someone would want to be so mean > to a complete stranger? > Anyway, I later thought about the hand and realized that she was > absolutely WRONG about the correct strategy in that situation. > Considering the information I had, I played the river just fine.
> Couple years go by, I get lucky and win a few tournaments. and all > of a sudden she is all nice to me. Phony nice of course, but nice > nonetheless. The more I got to know this woman however, the more I > was witness to her true colors and the more I disliked her. Despite > making my BEST efforts to tolerate her obnoxious personality I no > longer wanted to put up with it. > The only thing I'm
I am a mid limit recreational player (75-150) and below that hops on planes to play in vegas and ac. I have seen you numerous times at the Bellagio and you are one of the nicest unpretentious guys in the game.
I have to agree with you about Annie Duke. Not only is she full of herself and downright obnoxious, she has the dirtiest feet in the room. This everyone knows, as she shucks her shoes off at every opportunity and sits on her legs, exposing those filthy feet in DIRE need of anti-fungal medication and an industrial strength pedicure. I was amazed that anyone would have the nerve to show feet as desperate in need of hiding as hers.
About her obnoxiousness, people will remember character and integrity in a person long after the chips are stacked.
> I am a mid limit recreational player (75-150) and below that hops on > planes to play in vegas and ac. I have seen you numerous times at the > Bellagio and you are one of the nicest unpretentious guys in the game.
> I have to agree with you about Annie Duke. Not only is she full of > herself and downright obnoxious, she has the dirtiest feet in the > room. This everyone knows, as she shucks her shoes off at every > opportunity and sits on her legs, exposing those filthy feet in DIRE > need of anti-fungal medication and an industrial strength pedicure. I > was amazed that anyone would have the nerve to show feet as desperate > in need of hiding as hers.
> About her obnoxiousness, people will remember character and integrity > in a person long after the chips are stacked.
He "made some good points?" Seems like unprovoked, drunken rambling to me. What is the point of any of it? To embarrass Annie Duke? Why? It's childishness.
"Irish Mike" <mjos...@ameritech.net> wrote in message
> Don't know either of you bucko but you make some good points - however, the > stereotypical black vernacular undermines your statement..
> Irish Mike
> "Daniel Negreanu" <kidpo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > news:7220404a.0302190256.1d051d10@posting.google.com... > > I'm often asked what makes me think that this woman is such a low > > life. Here are just a few examples of facts that make up what this > > woman truly is as far as I'm concerned. For those of you who don't > > care to read it, you can stop now and save your complainin':
> > 1) Wanna Split it?- Playing in a stud 8 or better side game, Annie was > > heads up with one other player. After much betting it appeared as > > though Annie had the high hand and the other had a low made by sixth > > street. The player with the low board asked if she wanted to split > > it. Annie said, "Yeah, ok". The player threw his hand toward the > > muck expecting the dealer to start chopping the pot, when Annie said, > > "Wait, only if you have a low I mean." > > Once she said yes however, the pot should ethically be split. > > Despite virtually everyone in the game explaining to Annie that once > > she says yes to a chop, she has to chop. She wouldn't budge. > > Finally, after much hysteria she decided to give the player back ONLY > > the money he put into the pot. Had the tables been turned, she's > > still be blue in the face about how unfair that was.
> > 2) I swear on my kids!- Annie habitually leans over to look at the > > cards of the person sitting beside her in a game, whether they like it > > or not. Well one day one of the players was fed up with her sweating > > her neighbor's hole cards and he spoke up about it. She obliged > > saying, "Ok, I won't look anymore." > > Not an hour later, a triple draw hand comes up, and she is caught > > red handed looking at her neighbor's hole cards again. This time the > > player objected furiously, "I told you to stop looking at your > > neighbor's cards!" To which she replies, "I SWEAR ON MY CHILDREN I > > WASN'T". This was an absolute lie. She saw EXACTLY what card her > > neighbor got and ANNOUNCED the hand before it was turned over, also > > saying something to the effect of, "Oh you would have made it anyway." > > **A 4 had been flashed that would have been her neighbor's card. > > Instead she received a 6 to complete a 2-3-5-6-7, which is the third > > best hand in 2-7 triple draw (the 4 would have been the mortal > > nuts).** Later, Annie falsely claimed that the player who was upset > > with her threw a chair AT HER. Again, impossible.
> > 3) Just checkin'- Playing in a one table satellite for the main event > > at the WSOP, Annie was up against Tony Ma and Dan Alspach. Tony moved > > all in on the button, Annie folded in the small blind and Dan began > > studying. After some time, Dan folded his hand, and Tony threw his > > cards towards the muck telling Dan "Aces. I had two Aces." Well > > after the hand hits the muck, Annie GRABS THE HOLECARDS, LOOKS AT > > THEM, and says "Just checkin'" as if she had done nothing wrong.
> > 4) Sitting in a short handed 300-600 mixed game in 1999 I was > > unfortunate enough to have to sit beside Annie. Again, she has a > > simple rule that she lives by, "It's ok for me to look at your hole > > cards when I am out of a hand but I can't show you mine because I > > can't give away any information". Niiiice. Anyway, after about 30 > > minutes of her sweating my hole cards, I KINDLY say, "I'd actually > > prefer it if you didn't look at my hole cards since we are short > > handed and all." (5 handed at the time). About 15 minutes later, > > another player sits down in the game making it six handed. > > So know after I've raised before the flop and she'd folded, she > > looks over at my hole cards again. This time saying, "It's six > > handed, I can look now". Niiiice.
> > 5) Oh my God, it's so my seat- On a Monday night Annie walked into the > > poker room to put her name on a list. When the seat opened up, the > > floor man called out a name that wasn't yet present. Annie said, "If > > he's not here it's my seat." To which the floor man replied, "He's > > just outside, he's on his way." > > "Oh my God no way! You can't do that! You can't lock up a seat if > > you aren't even here!" After much bickering the poor floor man > > succumbed and gave her the seat. > > Wednesday night, EXACT same scenario, only this time Annie was the > > one who was first up on the list but not present at the time the seat > > was called. Now this time, she is arguing for the OPPOSITE ruling. > > "Oh my God, I was right here. I was here to put my name on the list. > > I didn't even leave the building" (how the floor man is supposed to > > know that is anyone's guess). Anyway, after throwing yet another > > hissy fit she got that seat too. This is one of Annie's common > > practices: "Argue NOT for what's fair and just, argue only for what > > benefits you." Niiice.
> > 6)This is the worst thing that has ever happened to me in a > > tournament- At the WSOP main event in 1999, Annie was involved in a > > pot with another player who had limped under the gun. Annie raised > > the limper from the button with A-7 offsuit. When it got back to the > > limper, he went to make a raise, but DIDN"T SAY RAISE, and then went > > back to his stack to raise even more. Well, in any no limit > > tournament that is considered a string raise. Not always called, but > > it's a string raise nonetheless. Well, another player, Steve Kaufman, > > called the string raise to the dealer's attention. To which Annie > > shouted, "Oh my God, you're not even in the pot! What are you doing! > > Oh my God, this is the worst thing that even happened to me in a > > tournament!" etc. > > She was upset with the fact that she had now been raised the minimum > > by the limper and was "forced" to call the extra 60,000 raise. After > > lambasting Mr.Kaufman for something he had EVERY RIGHT to do, she > > ended up flopping an ace and WINNING the pot because of the called > > string raise. "Well maybe that was the BEST thing that ever happened > > to me in a tournament." Snort, snort, giggle, giggle.
> > 7) Cup Boy- Finally, my first ever meeting of this woman was at the > > Four Queens in 1996 when I was just barely 22. Up to that point I'd > > had virtually no success in tournaments in the US, but was eager to > > learn from the so called "superstars" of the game.
> > ** Before I go any further, It's important to give you a little > > background info. At the club I played in in Toronto, we had no > > bottled water, just purified water you could get from the gallon. So > > I'd fill up a Styrofoam cup with water, and when it was empty, would > > leave it hanging from my lips so the porter wouldn't take it away and > > I'd have to waste another cup. This became somewhat of a habit you > > could say.**
> > So here I am in this tournament, where across from me was this woman > > and another well known tournament player. This woman doesn't know me > > from Adam, but goes out of her way to ridicule and make me feel like > > an outsider. As though I didn't belong in her "clique". After > > witnessing her behavior I was pretty sure I didn't want any part of > > that "clique" anyway. > > KNOWING I could hear every word she was saying, she says to her > > "clique" member, "Oh my God, what's up with cup boy over there. I > > wonder what that cup's all about. You think it's for medical > > reasons." She then went on to giggle arrogantly. At this point I > > actually spoke up and said, "If you'd really like to know there is > > actually a pretty normal reason for it?" Apparently acknowledging my > > existence may have looked less "too cool to talk to the low limit > > players" if you know what I mean. > > In conclusion., with two odd tables to go I play a hand against her > > in which SHE WINS. I had a good amount of chips at this point and she > > was all in for less than a bet on the river. I had actually bet the > > turn with a draw, and checked the river when I made a pair. The board > > was (10-8-2) A- J. I held Q-J in the blind and called her raise from > > middle position. I checked and called the flop, and bet the ace on > > the turn hoping to steal it. On the river I made jacks, but didn't > > think she would call me with a worse hand but may check a better hand > > or even bluff. That's not important though. > > What is important, is that she berated me for playing the hand that > > way! "Oh my God, if you were going to call on the river anyway why > > didn't you just bet?? I mean, oh you know what forget about it. I > > shouldn't be educating." > > I was beyond puzzled, but to be completely honest slightly > > embarrassed. I was there alone and knew no one in the tournament > > whatsoever. At the time I wasn't certain if I actually made a > > horrendous error or not. I may have spoken 20 words the entire > > tournament, and couldn't fathom why someone would want to be so mean > > to a complete
Annie is special, a woman with formal education and a family, making it in a man's world.
Daniel, on the other hand, is everything Annie is not.
By Daniel's own admission, Annie offered him an olive branch.
"Couple years go by, I get lucky and win a few tournaments. and all of a sudden she is all nice to me. Phony nice of course, but nice nonetheless."
Seven long years ago, with a cup dangling from his lips (maybe signaling that he lacked some social graces) no one had an inkling of the player he would become. Now Daniel struts his from-the-streets persona like it was a badge of honor. Finally, however, when the opportunity presented itself, he failed to be civil, underscoring his lack of formal education.
As we all know, Playing Poker is a tough business to be in. Anyone who doesn't take some advantage or never, never shoots an angle, may find themselves on the rail. If a man did some of the things the things Daniel describes, it would be dismissed as business as usual; really. IMHO, Annie is being held to a higher standard, because she is a successful woman in a man's world.
> As we all know, Playing Poker is a tough > business to be in. Anyone who doesn't take > some advantage or never, never shoots an > angle, may find themselves on the rail. If a > man did some of the things the things Daniel > describes, it would be dismissed as business > as usual; really.
It's not clear to me from Danny's stories that Annie was the one shooting the angle. Take the story about her saying she'd split the pot and then not splitting it. Let's look at another version of that story -- one from someone who has never tried to borrow money from Annie and doesn't have a grudge against her.
The board looked like the guy (was it Danny?) had a low and Annie had a high. The guy said, "we're just gonna chop it, want to chop now?". Annie, relying on his word that he had a low, said "Sure". The guy quickly mucked his hand rather than normal procedure of flashing his low. Annie, being trusting but quick witted, realized the guy didn't have a low, he had a busted draw, and said, "I'm not giving you half the pot if you didn't have a low".
>Subject: Re: Annie Duke Anecdotes (long) >From: garycar...@alumni.northwestern.edu (Gary Carson) >Take the story about her saying she'd split the >pot and then not splitting it. Let's look at another version of that >story -- one from someone who has never tried to borrow money from >Annie and doesn't have a grudge against her.
>The board looked like the guy (was it Danny?) had a low and Annie had >a high. The guy said, "we're just gonna chop it, want to chop now?". >Annie, relying on his word that he had a low, said "Sure". The guy >quickly mucked his hand rather than normal procedure of flashing his >low. Annie, being trusting but quick witted, realized the guy didn't >have a low, he had a busted draw, and said, "I'm not giving you half >the pot if you didn't have a low".
>Who was shooting the angle?
>Gary Carson
Who cares?She agreed to a split,no conditions,if the guy indeed did have a busted draw instead of low,more power to him,she shouldnt have agreed to the split.
Oy, that's pretty thin, Gary. In my experience, if I agree to chop in that situation, I muck, too. No need to see the cards since there was an agreement to chop. This is the practice in my home game, both players just muck and chop.
I've criticized Daniel in this thread too, but I think he's correct in the way he portrayed the hand. Of course, it is far from clear whether the events actually happened as he claims.
"Gary Carson" <garycar...@alumni.northwestern.edu> wrote in message
> > As we all know, Playing Poker is a tough > > business to be in. Anyone who doesn't take > > some advantage or never, never shoots an > > angle, may find themselves on the rail. If a > > man did some of the things the things Daniel > > describes, it would be dismissed as business > > as usual; really.
> It's not clear to me from Danny's stories that Annie was the one > shooting the angle. Take the story about her saying she'd split the > pot and then not splitting it. Let's look at another version of that > story -- one from someone who has never tried to borrow money from > Annie and doesn't have a grudge against her.
> The board looked like the guy (was it Danny?) had a low and Annie had > a high. The guy said, "we're just gonna chop it, want to chop now?". > Annie, relying on his word that he had a low, said "Sure". The guy > quickly mucked his hand rather than normal procedure of flashing his > low. Annie, being trusting but quick witted, realized the guy didn't > have a low, he had a busted draw, and said, "I'm not giving you half > the pot if you didn't have a low".
On 19 Feb 2003 21:34:02 GMT, jdoo...@aol.com (Jdoo123) wrote:
>>Gary Carson
>Who cares?She agreed to a split,no conditions,if the guy indeed did have a >busted draw instead of low,more power to him,she shouldnt have agreed to the >split.
And, you know she agreed to a split how? Because Danny said to?
Danny has lied about a lot of things -- he's proven time and time again that he'll say whatever he thinks he needs to in order to get the effect he want's. His word just isn't reliable.
Maybe she said, "take your money back and we'll chop it" and Danny, being drunk, didn't here the take your money back part, just heard the chop it part, and misunderstood what she said.
I don't know Annie Duke. But, as far as I know she's never lied to me. Danny has.
> from-the-streets persona like it was > a badge of honor. Finally, however, > when the opportunity presented itself, > he failed to be civil, underscoring his > lack of formal education.
Your formal education seems not to have included basic logic.
And just how 'civil' is it to impune the civility of those lacking formal education?
> > As we all know, Playing Poker is a tough > > business to be in. Anyone who doesn't take > > some advantage or never, never shoots an > > angle, may find themselves on the rail. If a > > man did some of the things the things Daniel > > describes, it would be dismissed as business > > as usual; really.
> It's not clear to me from Danny's stories that Annie was the one > shooting the angle. Take the story about her saying she'd split the > pot and then not splitting it. Let's look at another version of that > story -- one from someone who has never tried to borrow money from > Annie and doesn't have a grudge against her.
> The board looked like the guy (was it Danny?) had a low and Annie had > a high. The guy said, "we're just gonna chop it, want to chop now?". > Annie, relying on his word that he had a low, said "Sure". The guy > quickly mucked his hand rather than normal procedure of flashing his > low. Annie, being trusting but quick witted, realized the guy didn't > have a low, he had a busted draw, and said, "I'm not giving you half > the pot if you didn't have a low".
On Wed, 19 Feb 2003 21:37:00 GMT, "James L. Hankins" <jhankins5@[NO
SPAM]sbcglobal.net> wrote: >Oy, that's pretty thin, Gary. In my experience, if I agree to chop in that >situation, I muck, too.
I don't.
No need to see the cards since there was an
>agreement to chop. This is the practice in my home game,
Okay. But, we don't know what the practice was in that game.
>I've criticized Daniel in this thread too, but I think he's correct in the >way he portrayed the hand. Of course, it is far from clear whether the >events actually happened as he claims.
If he's correct in the way he portrayed the hand then it have actually happed as he claims, wouldn't it?
Was Danny even there? Was he sober? We don't know, he didn't say.
We do know that's not the reason he's got a hard on for Annie. Because after that event, he was still praising her on rgp.
So, it's pretty clear to me that Danny isn't being truthful about the reason he's got a thing with Annie. If he's lying about that, and I thnk it's clear he is, then how do you know he's not lying about all of it?
And after reading through, now I understand why you have beef with her and are so vocal about it. I hate letting others get away with crap myself and continually am the vocal one in my group of friends and everyone speaks of it. But I will always sacrafice some PR type BS to making sure I keep it real within myself.
Not always the most liked but always the most genuine. And much respect for sticking to your guns against much scrutiny.
"Finally, however, when the opportunity presented itself, he failed to be civil, underscoring his lack of formal education."
Minor point bucko, but I have found no significant correlation between formal education and civility in the poker world. In fact, some well educated players tend to be disrespectful toward players with less formal education. I play in a game with an attorney who is one of the least civil people I have ever met. I attribute this less to his advanced degrees than to the fact that he is a thorough-going asshole.
Irish Mike
"Nat Silver" <math...@worldnet.att.net> wrote in message
> Annie is special, a woman with formal > education and a family, making it in a > man's world.
> Daniel, on the other hand, is everything > Annie is not.
> By Daniel's own admission, Annie > offered him an olive branch.
> "Couple years go by, I get lucky > and win a few tournaments. and all > of a sudden she is all nice to me. > Phony nice of course, but nice > nonetheless."
> Seven long years ago, with a cup > dangling from his lips (maybe signaling > that he lacked some social graces) no > one had an inkling of the player he > would become. Now Daniel struts his > from-the-streets persona like it was > a badge of honor. Finally, however, > when the opportunity presented itself, > he failed to be civil, underscoring his > lack of formal education.
> As we all know, Playing Poker is a tough > business to be in. Anyone who doesn't take > some advantage or never, never shoots an > angle, may find themselves on the rail. If a > man did some of the things the things Daniel > describes, it would be dismissed as business > as usual; really. IMHO, Annie is being held > to a higher standard, because she is a > successful woman in a man's world.
