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Will in New Haven
Jun 17, 2013, 10:17:27 AM6/17/13
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It's mid-tournament and I have a healthy stack and so does the player
to my immediate right. An early position player limps in and it gets
to me in the cuttoff seat and I raise to three and a fraction times
the Big Blind. The guy on the button, who seems like a strong player,
calls and so does the limper.
The pot is around twelve thousand.
The flop is J44 and the limper checks. I bet on the small side of half
the pot and the guy on the button raises ten thousand.
Now I think he's only got another ten or twelve thousand left, so he's
pot-committed. So I don't flat call to trap him but just move in over
the top.
However, there are these purple 500 chips in play and blue 5000 chips
and blue-white 10000 chips and he has two of the blue-whites at the
bottom of his stack of orange 1000 chips and I missed them. He still
thinks for awhile about calling but he lets the hand go. He mutters
something about having been ahead preflop but he turns up pocket
Nines. I don't show but he says "it you had me beat you missed your
chance to win all of my chips."
Actually, I think he would have still had chips left even if I had
gotten all my chips in but he would have been very short-stacked.
On the other hand, how exactly can he put me on a hand he can beat if
I call?
Assuming that he would have bet the turn, raising here was a big error
as leaving a good player with lots of chips is always an error. Had I
gotten the rest of my chips in somehow, I still might not have
finished better than ninth but I might have. And he would not have
been around to finish fifth.
--
Will in New Haven
to my immediate right. An early position player limps in and it gets
to me in the cuttoff seat and I raise to three and a fraction times
the Big Blind. The guy on the button, who seems like a strong player,
calls and so does the limper.
The pot is around twelve thousand.
The flop is J44 and the limper checks. I bet on the small side of half
the pot and the guy on the button raises ten thousand.
Now I think he's only got another ten or twelve thousand left, so he's
pot-committed. So I don't flat call to trap him but just move in over
the top.
However, there are these purple 500 chips in play and blue 5000 chips
and blue-white 10000 chips and he has two of the blue-whites at the
bottom of his stack of orange 1000 chips and I missed them. He still
thinks for awhile about calling but he lets the hand go. He mutters
something about having been ahead preflop but he turns up pocket
Nines. I don't show but he says "it you had me beat you missed your
chance to win all of my chips."
Actually, I think he would have still had chips left even if I had
gotten all my chips in but he would have been very short-stacked.
On the other hand, how exactly can he put me on a hand he can beat if
I call?
Assuming that he would have bet the turn, raising here was a big error
as leaving a good player with lots of chips is always an error. Had I
gotten the rest of my chips in somehow, I still might not have
finished better than ninth but I might have. And he would not have
been around to finish fifth.
--
Will in New Haven
Beldin the Sorcerer
Jun 17, 2013, 10:56:03 AM6/17/13
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Obviously better than 99 but how vulnrable to overcards were you?
Will in New Haven
Jun 17, 2013, 11:17:14 AM6/17/13
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On Jun 17, 10:56 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> Obviously better than 99 but how vulnrable to overcards were you?-
I had JJ. I had Jacks full of Nines. Obviously, I wasn't afraid of
losing the hand and could have just flat-called even if I were right
about his being pot-committed. If an Ace, King or Queen hit, I would
have ignored it as there is almost no chance he made a higher set.
However, it would probably kill my action from his Nines.
I didn't criticize him for keeping those big chips out of sight
because almost no one in those tournaments seems even aware that the
rules say the biggest denominations should be prominantly displayed.
wrote:
I had JJ. I had Jacks full of Nines. Obviously, I wasn't afraid of
losing the hand and could have just flat-called even if I were right
about his being pot-committed. If an Ace, King or Queen hit, I would
have ignored it as there is almost no chance he made a higher set.
However, it would probably kill my action from his Nines.
I didn't criticize him for keeping those big chips out of sight
because almost no one in those tournaments seems even aware that the
rules say the biggest denominations should be prominantly displayed.
Beldin the Sorcerer
Jun 17, 2013, 11:34:09 AM6/17/13
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Will in New Haven wrote:
> On Jun 17, 10:56 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Will in New Haven wrote:
>>
>>> Assuming that he would have bet the turn, raising here was a big
>>> error as leaving a good player with lots of chips is always an
>>> error. Had I gotten the rest of my chips in somehow, I still might
>>> not have finished better than ninth but I might have. And he would
>>> not have been around to finish fifth.
>>
>> What did you have?
>> Obviously better than 99 but how vulnrable to overcards were you?-
>
> I had JJ. I had Jacks full of Nines. Obviously, I wasn't afraid of
> losing the hand and could have just flat-called even if I were right
> about his being pot-committed. If an Ace, King or Queen hit, I would
> have ignored it as there is almost no chance he made a higher set.
> However, it would probably kill my action from his Nines.
That depends.
> On Jun 17, 10:56 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <Beldin...@verizon.net>
> wrote:
>> Will in New Haven wrote:
>>
>>> Assuming that he would have bet the turn, raising here was a big
>>> error as leaving a good player with lots of chips is always an
>>> error. Had I gotten the rest of my chips in somehow, I still might
>>> not have finished better than ninth but I might have. And he would
>>> not have been around to finish fifth.
>>
>> What did you have?
>> Obviously better than 99 but how vulnrable to overcards were you?-
>
> I had JJ. I had Jacks full of Nines. Obviously, I wasn't afraid of
> losing the hand and could have just flat-called even if I were right
> about his being pot-committed. If an Ace, King or Queen hit, I would
> have ignored it as there is almost no chance he made a higher set.
> However, it would probably kill my action from his Nines.
There's a non-zero chance the guy is making some kind of move. Hell, there's
a non-zero chance he has AJ and an ace hitting makes him drool and do
backflips.
It's more likely has has AK or AQ (and with a stack that big, there are many
players who will flat with those hands given an early limper and a late
raiser.
Even if he puts you on AK, there's only a 24% chance of an overcard coming,
and he is likely to discount the Q.
Raising back 10k looks like AJ. So you lose him gobbling back anyway. I'm
not sure I call a reraise there myself with 99, even with only 15k or so in
my stack. Though I'm not sure I raise 10k leaving that little behind, either
da pickle
Jun 17, 2013, 12:35:13 PM6/17/13
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... but I would not have showed it.
Will in New Haven
Jun 17, 2013, 1:00:18 PM6/17/13
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but I would have folded his 99 to your push as well
> ... but I would not have showed it
barring a Nine coming, of course.
da pickle
Jun 17, 2013, 2:02:30 PM6/17/13
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[If it is a 4 or a 9, it doesn't matter, all the chips get in.]
If you push the turn on an over card (over a nine), you do not get my chips.
If you check (which is what I am thinking you are talking about here) on
that over card, I likely do not bet. [Same if the over card comes on
the river and you check.]
If a 2, 3, 5, 6, 7, 8 comes and you push, I have a harder time with my
instinct to fold. If you check, I check too. Same on the river, I will
have a hard time folding to your push and I will only consider a bet if
the second pair hits.
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