Zimmerman tapes

[Dutch]

Watching him recount the tale of how he is getting his head bashed
repeatedly into the concrete sidewalk to the point where he says, "I
thought my head was going to explode" then after the incident and an EMT
looks at the back of his head and says, "He'll need one or two stitches"

Something fishy about his story..

[Dave the Clueless]

You are DEFINITELY on to something here!

-------
JerryFOREX the retard thinks "Cornel Ronald West (born June 2, 1953) is an
American philosopher, academic, activist, author and prominent member of
the Democratic Socialists of America" is a right-winger! LOL! HAHAHAHAH!
What a moron!!!

[Dutch]

Dave the Clueless wrote:
> On May 27 2013 7:28 PM, Dutch wrote:
>
>> Watching him recount the tale of how he is getting his head bashed
>> repeatedly into the concrete sidewalk to the point where he says, "I
>> thought my head was going to explode" then after the incident and an EMT
>> looks at the back of his head and says, "He'll need one or two stitches"
>>
>> Something fishy about his story..
>
> You are DEFINITELY on to something here!

To dispel that doubt I suggest you get somebody strong to bash your head
into a sidewalk over and over until it feels like your head is going to
explode, then see how many stitches you require..

[Bill Vanek]

How do you stitch abrasions?

[risky biz]

Maybe the EMT was referring to stiching together a good story.

[Travel A]

Dutchy blithered:

To dispel that doubt I suggest you get somebody strong to bash your head
into a sidewalk over and over until it feels like your head is going to
explode, then see how many stitches you require..

Bill Vanek wrote:
How do you stitch abrasions?

I wrote:
Dutchy's a medical expert, didn't you know?

Getting repeatedly hit with a blunt instrument (the sidewalk) dosen't
count as life-threatening assault to race baiters. Didn't you know?

[Dutch]

Especially when it never happened.

[Bill Vanek]

Finally - an eyewitness speaks out!

[TruthSeeker]

On 27/5/13 10:25 PM, Dutch wrote:

> Travel A wrote:

>> Getting repeatedly hit with a blunt instrument (the sidewalk) dosen't
>> count as life-threatening assault to race baiters. Didn't you know?

> Especially when it never happened.

Ah, so you were there, hiding in the bushes, and saw the whole thing?



--
TruthSeeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."

[Pepe Papon]

On Mon, 27 May 2013 23:13:00 -0600, TruthSeeker
<Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:

>On 27/5/13 10:25 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> Travel A wrote:
>
>>> Getting repeatedly hit with a blunt instrument (the sidewalk) dosen't
>>> count as life-threatening assault to race baiters. Didn't you know?
>
>> Especially when it never happened.
>
>Ah, so you were there, hiding in the bushes, and saw the whole thing?

WTF are you talking about? It's quite clear that he reached his
conclusion through logical deduction based on the available evidence.
If you want to disagree with his logic, that's one thing, but this
dishonesty and playing dumb doesn't score any points.
--

Pepe Papon

[popinjay999]

Yeah, there's something fishy alright. You know nothing more about
the case than the rest of us yet you've already sided with the little
Negro hoodlum. That's because you are an unabashed liberal automaton
and there never really was any doubt that you'd do this. You're such
a biased phony.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:f8ad8686-44dc-45d5...@ys5g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

Yes, having opinions is so phony. I guess we can't all be as objective and
unbiased about everything as you are, Pop-Tard.

*spit*

Jim

[Dave the Clueless]

What doubt, you fool? I am POSITIVE you have a TOTALLY NEW TAKE on this!

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 12:23 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> Yes, having opinions is so phony.

Fuck you, Clave. Robots like you and Dutch don't have opinions. You
just do what you're programed to do. If Travon was WHITE and
Zimmerman was black, Dutch would not have taken the position that he
did. Dutch only sides with Travon because he is programmed to
sympathize with the poor Negro. And you speak up for Dutch, because
you're wired the same as he is. Two robots. beep!

[brattt]

Dutch has known the truth from day one. Don't you know that?

It's also strange that 12 innocent children savagely beat a pregnant woman
in the same town months ago and no one has ever mentioned that.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer. Even
Zimmerman admits he picked the fight (who was stalking whom
with a gun?)

--bks

[mo_ntresor]

On May 28 2013 5:52 AM, popinjay999 wrote:

> Fuck you, Clave. Robots like you and Dutch don't have opinions. You
> just do what you're programed to do. If Travon was WHITE and
> Zimmerman was black, Dutch would not have taken the position that he
> did. Dutch only sides with Travon because he is programmed to
> sympathize with the poor Negro. And you speak up for Dutch, because
> you're wired the same as he is. Two robots. beep!

i predict a clam sock puppet replies next. anyone care to wager?

mo_ntresor

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 5:20 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

>
> Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer.  Even
> Zimmerman admits he picked the fight (who was stalking whom
> with a gun?)
>
>     --bks

Bradley, you're hardly one to speak. You are of the same mindset as
Dutch and Clave, and you confirm my point. Make that THREE robots.

And if Travon had been white, then you wouldn't see him as the
"victim", I guarantee you that. Do you think I'm stupid? You people
are very predictable and very easy to figure out. If Travon had been
white, you wouldn't even give a fuck and would not have even made a
comment. It's a guilt thing. Somehow you feel compelled to
sympathize with anyone whose great grand daddy was pickin cotton, for
free, 200 years ago. Like you've ever done a days work in your life,
you should quit worrying about what happened in the past and worry
more about getting yourself a fucking job now.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On May 28, 5:20 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>> Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer.  Even
>> Zimmerman admits he picked the fight (who was stalking whom
>> with a gun?)

> ...

>And if Travon had been white, then you wouldn't see him as the
>"victim", I guarantee you that.

Absolutely not. I always assume the stalker with the gun
is at fault. I think you need to clean your own glasses.

--bks

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 6:09 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

Hey Bradley, just out of curiosity, who were the victims in Knoxville
when five black savages tortured and killed the two young white kids
who were out on a date? I'm only asking because I don't recall you,
nor Clave and Dutch for that matter, offering your valued opinions in
the thread about those horrible murders.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On May 28, 6:09 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>> popinjay999  <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> >On May 28, 5:20 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>> >> Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer.  Even
>> >> Zimmerman admits he picked the fight (who was stalking whom
>> >> with a gun?)
>> > ...
>> >And if Travon had been white, then you wouldn't see him as the
>> >"victim", I guarantee you that.
>>
>> Absolutely not.  I always assume the stalker with the gun
>> is at fault.  I think you need to clean your own glasses.
>

>Hey Bradley, just out of curiosity, who were the victims in Knoxville
>when five black savages tortured and killed the two young white kids
>who were out on a date? I'm only asking because I don't recall you,
>nor Clave and Dutch for that matter, offering your valued opinions in
>the thread about those horrible murders.

I don't recall any opinions being offered. I don't even
recall the case. Are you talking about this from 6 years ago?
<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christopher_Newsom>

Seems like an open and shut case. All the prosecutions ended
in conviction. What possible point could you be making?

--bks

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 6:37 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> popinjay999  <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >On May 28, 6:09 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> >> popinjay999 <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> >On May 28, 5:20 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
> >> >> Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer. Even
> >> >> Zimmerman admits he picked the fight (who was stalking whom
> >> >> with a gun?)
> >> > ...
> >> >And if Travon had been white, then you wouldn't see him as the
> >> >"victim", I guarantee you that.
>
> >> Absolutely not. I always assume the stalker with the gun
> >> is at fault. I think you need to clean your own glasses.
>
> >Hey Bradley, just out of curiosity, who were the victims in Knoxville
> >when five black savages tortured and killed the two young white kids
> >who were out on a date?  I'm only asking because I don't recall you,
> >nor Clave and Dutch for that matter, offering your valued opinions in
> >the thread about those horrible murders.
>
> I don't recall any opinions being offered.  I don't even
> recall the case.  Are you talking about this from 6 years ago?

> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murders_of_Channon_Christian_and_Christo...>

>
> Seems like an open and shut case.  All the prosecutions ended
> in conviction.  What possible point could you be making?
>
>     --bks

I'll tell you the point I'm making. You didn't even know about it,
mutherfucker. After I made my last post I even thought to myself, "I
bet he doesn't even know the case". HA! I was right. What's wrong,
Bradley, didn't you watch the news six years ago? Then I guess you
never heard of the Duke University "rape" case either. Fucking phony!

[Bradley K. Sherman]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ...

>I'll tell you the point I'm making. You didn't even know about it,
>mutherfucker. After I made my last post I even thought to myself, "I
>bet he doesn't even know the case". HA! I was right. What's wrong,
>Bradley, didn't you watch the news six years ago? Then I guess you
>never heard of the Duke University "rape" case either. Fucking phony!

Phony? Because I'm honest? Yow! You're flailing badly, Poppy.

--bks

[Bill Vanek]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 05:17:54 -0700, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid>
wrote:

Racist...

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 6:55 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

>
> Phony?  Because I'm honest?  Yow!  You're flailing badly, Poppy.
>
>     --bks

You're phony because you treat black and white differently. In your
mind, and Clave and Dutch's minds, black equals good and white equals
bad. Even though you're WHITE!

Do you really think that blacks think you're ok because "you're down
with them"? If so, I highly recommend that you buy a gold chain from
one of them in the parking lot, I guarantee it will be 24 carat. They
wouldn't rip off their brother.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On May 28, 6:55 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>>
>> Phony?  Because I'm honest?  Yow!  You're flailing badly, Poppy.
>

>You're phony because you treat black and white differently.

And you're a whackjob because you make assertions that
have no basis in reality. Twas ever thus.

--bks

[Truthseeker]

He didn't state it as an opinion, or a probability. He flatly said "it
never happened." He does not know that, neither do you, and neither do I.



--
Truthseeker

[Truthseeker]

On 5/28/13 6:20 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> On May 28, 12:23 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> Yes, having opinions is so phony.
>>
>> Fuck you, Clave. Robots like you and Dutch don't have opinions. You
>> just do what you're programed to do. If Travon was WHITE and
>> Zimmerman was black, Dutch would not have taken the position that he
>> did. Dutch only sides with Travon because he is programmed to
>> sympathize with the poor Negro. And you speak up for Dutch, because
>> you're wired the same as he is. Two robots. beep!
>
> Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer.

True. Who was the murderer in this case? I understand there's going to
be a trial to make a judgement on that.

> Even Zimmerman admits he picked the fight

Did he now? I must have missed that part of his testimony.

> (who was stalking whom with a gun?)

I've seen lots of conjecture but no actual evidence that anyone was
stalking anyone.

Disclaimer: I do not pretend to know what happened that night, or who
if anyone was guilty of a crime. I probably will never know for sure,
but will base any opinions on evidence.

[Bradley K. Sherman]

Truthseeker <truth...@nospam.us> wrote:
> ...

>True. Who was the murderer in this case?

It wasn't the dead guy with the hole in his chest.
It may have been space aliens or Hillary Clinton,,,,
but my money is on the drug-addled wannabee cop
who owned the murder weapon.

--bks

[brattt]

On May 28 2013 8:58 AM, Bill Vanek wrote:

> >It's also strange that 12 innocent children savagely beat a pregnant woman
> >in the same town months ago and no one has ever mentioned that.
>
> Racist...

I didn't make any race remarks. You must be racist for assuming that I am
racist.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:900dc70a-230d-459d...@li6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 12:23 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Yes, having opinions is so phony.
>
>

> Fuck you, Clave. Robots like you and Dutch don't have opinions....

I totally understand the depth of your need to believe that.

Jim

[Clave]

"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message
news:ko2ehr$iau$1...@reader1.panix.com...

He doesn't need knowledge, he has certainty.

Jim

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 10:45 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in messagenews:ko2ehr$iau$1...@reader1.panix.com...
>

>

> > And you're a whackjob because you make assertions that
> > have no basis in reality.  Twas ever thus.
>
> He doesn't need knowledge, he has certainty.
>
> Jim

See? By using "Bradley" as a sockpuppet, you're able to post twice as
many posts without making it so obvious. But "Bradley" is shown with
54000 posts, on all the SAME newsgroups that you post to. Yeah, it's
you alright. You're busted, you sick fuck. "Both" of you.

[Will in New Haven]

On May 28, 2:20 am, Pepe Papon <hitmeis...@mindspring.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 27 May 2013 23:13:00 -0600, TruthSeeker
>

> <TruthSee...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:
> >On 27/5/13 10:25 PM, Dutch wrote:
> >> Travel A wrote:
>
> >>> Getting repeatedly hit with a blunt instrument (the sidewalk) dosen't
> >>> count as life-threatening assault to race baiters. Didn't you know?
>
> >> Especially when it never happened.
>
> >Ah, so you were there, hiding in the bushes, and saw the whole thing?
>
> WTF are you talking about?   It's quite clear that he reached his
> conclusion through logical deduction based on the available evidence.
> If you want to disagree with his logic, that's one thing, but this
> dishonesty and playing dumb doesn't score any points.

The hole in his logic is that the reaction of the EMT doesn't tell us
what Zimmerman experienced subjectively. What it tells us is what one
EMT thought he saw when he examined Zimmerman.

The extent of damage to Zimmerman has varied greatly from report to
report and no one on this newsgroup knows what is correct. I would
think an EMT would make a better diagnosis than someone who has just
been roughed up would but that does not mean that Zimmerman didn't
feel what he says that he felt and reacted to.

What is odd is that so many people here are so emotionally involved in
this case. One might think that Martin had been taken from them or
that Zimmerman was about to be.

--
Will in New Haven

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:a5f50c80-ee28-4bc2...@h13g2000yqe.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 10:45 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>> "Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in
>> messagenews:ko2ehr$iau$1...@reader1.panix.com...
>>
>
>>
>> > And you're a whackjob because you make assertions that
>> > have no basis in reality. Twas ever thus.
>>
>> He doesn't need knowledge, he has certainty.
>

> See? By using "Bradley" as a sockpuppet...

...I'm able to kick your ass from two directions at once.

Jim

[mo_ntresor]

On May 28 2013 1:13 PM, Will in New Haven wrote:

> > WTF are you talking about?   It's quite clear that he reached his
> > conclusion through logical deduction based on the available evidence.
> > If you want to disagree with his logic, that's one thing, but this
> > dishonesty and playing dumb doesn't score any points.
>
> The hole in his logic is that the reaction of the EMT doesn't tell us
> what Zimmerman experienced subjectively. What it tells us is what one
> EMT thought he saw when he examined Zimmerman.
>
> The extent of damage to Zimmerman has varied greatly from report to
> report and no one on this newsgroup knows what is correct. I would
> think an EMT would make a better diagnosis than someone who has just
> been roughed up would but that does not mean that Zimmerman didn't
> feel what he says that he felt and reacted to.
>
> What is odd is that so many people here are so emotionally involved in
> this case. One might think that Martin had been taken from them or
> that Zimmerman was about to be.

one side's emotionally invested. the other's emotionally invested in
their stupidity.

mo_ntresor

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 8:32 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:

>
> It wasn't the dead guy with the hole in his chest.
> It may have been space aliens or Hillary Clinton,,,,
> but my money is on the drug-addled wannabee cop
> who owned the murder weapon.
>
>     --bks

They have proven that Travon used marijuana. That stuff makes people
go crazy and he was obviously an extremely dangerous individual.
Plus, the fact that he was under 25 years old and black makes it much
more likely that he was casing the area with intent to commit a
burglary. That's why you are not qualified to have an opinion on
this, Bradley, because you cannot look at the evidence objectively
like I can.

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 12:21 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> ...I'm able to kick your ass from two directions at once.
>
> Jim

Like the stars in the cosmos, billions and billions of your posts on
usenet.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:1ca04e53-a273-4bea...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

You could post as many, and you'd still suck at this.

Jim

[mo_ntresor]

On May 28 2013 1:34 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

> They have proven that Travon used marijuana. That stuff makes people
> go crazy and he was obviously an extremely dangerous individual.
> Plus, the fact that he was under 25 years old and black makes it much
> more likely that he was casing the area with intent to commit a
> burglary. That's why you are not qualified to have an opinion on
> this, Bradley, because you cannot look at the evidence objectively
> like I can.

what? the trayvon i knew wore his pee-wee football uniform and smiled all
the time.

mo_ntresor

[Bradley K. Sherman]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ...

>See? By using "Bradley" as a sockpuppet, you're able to post twice as
>many posts without making it so obvious. But "Bradley" is shown with
>54000 posts, on all the SAME newsgroups that you post to.

> ...

Oh, great, now I have a cyberstalker.

--bks

[Clave]

"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message

news:ko31s2$qn$1...@reader1.panix.com...

Pop-Tard thinks a rudimentary ability to search Google Groups (without
really understanding the results) qualifies him for membership in LulzSec.

Jim

[Bill Vanek]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 09:46:18 -0700, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid>
wrote:

I'm sorry, but I have a gift for detecting racism, maybe one that
surpasses even BillB's. "12 innocent children" is blatant code among
you whiteys for "12 nigger bastard savages".

Just admit it. It's cleansing.

[Bill Vanek]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 09:23:14 -0600, Truthseeker
<truth...@nospam.us> wrote:

>Disclaimer: I do not pretend to know what happened that night, or who
>if anyone was guilty of a crime.

Just ask Dutch. He knows.

[Bill Vanek]

On Tue, 28 May 2013 12:34:49 -0700 (PDT), popinjay999
<paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Plus, the fact that he was under 25 years old and black makes it much
>more likely that he was casing the area with intent to commit a
>burglary.

No, no, no. He was unfamiliar with his new neighborhood, and was just
trying to find his way home. Poor fellow.

[fffurken]

On May 28, 8:34 pm, popinjay999 <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> > It wasn't the dead guy with the hole in his chest.
> > It may have been space aliens or Hillary Clinton,,,,
> > but my money is on the drug-addled wannabee cop
> > who owned the murder weapon.
>
> >     --bks
>
> They have proven that Travon used marijuana.  That stuff makes people
> go crazy

Gimme a break. A pothead shooting someone IS a tragic accident.

[O-PGManager]

On May 28 2013 3:34 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

> On May 28, 8:32 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
> >
> > It wasn't the dead guy with the hole in his chest.
> > It may have been space aliens or Hillary Clinton,,,,
> > but my money is on the drug-addled wannabee cop
> > who owned the murder weapon.
> >
> >     --bks
>
>
> They have proven that Travon used marijuana. That stuff makes people
> go crazy and he was obviously an extremely dangerous individual.
> Plus, the fact that he was under 25 years old and black makes it much
> more likely that he was casing the area with intent to commit a
> burglary.

You are such a talented troll. I actually enjoy when you overplay your
hand like this once in a while. 'Marijuana makes people go crazy' lol -
well done.

That's why you are not qualified to have an opinion on
> this, Bradley, because you cannot look at the evidence objectively
> like I can.

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

[brattt]

*sigh* If I admit what we all know is the truth, Jerry will put it in his
tagline to live forever in infamy.

[fffurken]

On May 28, 10:11 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> *sigh*  If I admit what we all know is the truth, Jerry will put it in his
> tagline to live forever in infamy.

Live forever in infamy? Hardcore. Is that a bit like Pearl Harbor or
9/11 and in which case, I or II?

[Bradley K. Sherman]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On May 28, 8:32 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>>
>> It wasn't the dead guy with the hole in his chest.
>> It may have been space aliens or Hillary Clinton,,,,
>> but my money is on the drug-addled wannabee cop
>> who owned the murder weapon.
>

>They have proven that Travon used marijuana.

I don't know who "they" are, but let's consider some facts:
|
| During one interview, Zimmerman told a police detective
| that he has attention deficit hyperactivity disorder and
| was taking the medications Adderall and temazepam, which is
| used to treat insomnia.
|
| He said he was also taking a stomach medication.
|
<http://articles.boston.com/2012-06-22/nation/32352959_1_police-interviews-shooting-police-detective>

Adderall == Dexedrine == speed, Temazepam == muscle relaxant.
Back when I was playing lowball in Emeryville in the 70's we
called that a "speedball." I think that explains why Zimmerman
didn't even know which of the three streets in the HOA he was on.

Then, there are the unfortunate revelation that Martin's DNA was
*not* found on the gun or holster, and Zimmerman's DNA was *not*
found under Martin's fingernails. And I think we can be pretty
sure Martin didn't get a manicure after Zimmerman shot him:
<http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-dna-problem/2012/09/30/40605a58-0a46-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html>

--bks

p.s. If I were you I'd go with the space alien defense.

[TruthSeeker]

On 28/5/13 9:32 AM, Bradley K. Sherman wrote:
> Truthseeker <truth...@nospam.us> wrote:
>> ...
>> True. Who was the murderer in this case?
>
> It wasn't the dead guy with the hole in his chest.

So far so good.

> It may have been space aliens or Hillary Clinton,,,,

Now you've gone off the rails.

> but my money is on the drug-addled wannabee cop
> who owned the murder weapon.

Assuming a whole lot that is not in evidence. Also circular reasoning.
As we don't know yet if a murder was committed, how can you know there
was a murder weapon at the scene? A weapon, yes, legally owned and
carried, but it's not a murder weapon if there was no murder. And that
has not yet been determined.

There is also no evidence for "drug-addled," that's just typical
prejudicial conjecture.

Wannabee cop? Probably, but irrelevant. Personally, when I was a
volunteer deputy I put in many hours of service but I had no desire to
be a full-time paid deputy.



--
TruthSeeker

[TruthSeeker]

But which one of you (Clave or Bradley) is the dummy?

Oh, wait, you both are. Never mind.

[TruthSeeker]

Is there anything that Dutch doesn't know, with absolute certainty?



--
TruthSeeker

[TruthSeeker]

On 28/5/13 3:08 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> On May 28 2013 3:34 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

> You are such a talented troll. I actually enjoy when you overplay your
> hand like this once in a while. 'Marijuana makes people go crazy' lol -
> well done.

Didn't you ever see "Reefer Madness?"

[Travel A]

Dutchy blithered:

To dispel that doubt I suggest you get somebody strong to bash your head
into a sidewalk over and over until it feels like your head is going to
explode, then see how many stitches you require..

Bill Vanek wrote:
How do you stitch abrasions?


I wrote:
Dutchy's a medical expert, didn't you know?

[Dutch]

TruthSeeker wrote:
> On 27/5/13 10:25 PM, Dutch wrote:
>> Travel A wrote:
>

>>> Getting repeatedly hit with a blunt instrument (the sidewalk) dosen't
>>> count as life-threatening assault to race baiters. Didn't you know?
>

>> Especially when it never happened.
>
> Ah, so you were there, hiding in the bushes, and saw the whole thing?

Of course not, I just don't believe him, he has no credibility. In the
original story when he was told "We don't need you to be doing that" he
said he turned and headed straight back to his truck. In the video he
describes to the investigator how he continues to walk away from the
truck for the equivalent of a whole block. He claims it was for the
purpose of finding an address to tell police, only coincidentally was it
in the direction Martin was walking. If he had actually gone back to his
truck he never would have encountered Martin. I am confident that many
more inconsistencies in his stories will be uncovered in the trial.

[Dutch]

Truthseeker wrote:

> On 5/28/13 12:20 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>> On Mon, 27 May 2013 23:13:00 -0600, TruthSeeker

>> <Truth...@nof-nspam.us> wrote:
>>
>>> On 27/5/13 10:25 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>>> Travel A wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Getting repeatedly hit with a blunt instrument (the sidewalk) dosen't
>>>>> count as life-threatening assault to race baiters. Didn't you know?
>>>
>>>> Especially when it never happened.
>>>
>>> Ah, so you were there, hiding in the bushes, and saw the whole thing?
>>

>> WTF are you talking about? It's quite clear that he reached his
>> conclusion through logical deduction based on the available evidence.
>> If you want to disagree with his logic, that's one thing, but this
>> dishonesty and playing dumb doesn't score any points.
>

> He didn't state it as an opinion, or a probability. He flatly said "it
> never happened." He does not know that, neither do you, and neither do I.

Under what version of reality is it even a remote possibility that I
witnessed the events? The answer is NO plausible version at all. So why
would you assume that I am expressing anything but an opinion based on
the facts I have seen and read? Please help me understand how that would
even OCCUR to you?

[Dutch]

Truthseeker wrote:
>
> I've seen lots of conjecture but no actual evidence that anyone was
> stalking anyone.

Pursuing with determination to catch one's prey means stalking, to a hunter.

[Travel A]

Badly blithered:

Most people side with the victim,

I wrote:
Zimmerman was the victim. Martin attcked him. Zimmerman used lawful
deadly force in self defense.


Badley blithered:
Even Zimmerman admits he picked the fight

I wrote:
No he didn't, you idiot. Zimmerman testified that Martin walked over to
the truck, confronted him and attacked him. Slam dunk self defense.

There are witnesses.

[Dutch]

Travel-in-the-twilight-zone repeated

"Polly want a cracker?"

[Dutch]

Travel A wrote:
>
>
> Badly blithered:
>
> Most people side with the victim,
>
> I wrote:
> Zimmerman was the victim. Martin attcked him.
> Zimmerman used lawful
> deadly force in self defense.

There's no verifiable evidence of that, his minor scrapes could have
easily been self-inflicted, once he knew how much shit he was in.

> Badley blithered:
> Even Zimmerman admits he picked the fight
>
> I wrote:
> No he didn't, you idiot. Zimmerman testified that Martin walked over to
> the truck, confronted him and attacked him. Slam dunk self defense.

He was nowhere near his truck, at least in one version of his story,
depends on which version you want to believe.

> There are witnesses.

There are no witnesses that confirm Martin attacked Zimmerman.

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 6:21 pm, nine...@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
> Badly blithered:
>
>  Most people side with the victim,
>

Is it any surprise that the ONLY ones in this thread who KNOW what
happened are Dutch, Bradley, and Clave? The rest of us are content to
wait until the trial starts and the facts come out.

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 6:10 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> I just don't believe him, he has no credibility.

Obviously because he is a white guy who killed a black guy.

If Zimmerman had been black and Travon had been white, you wouldn't
even give a fuck about this story.

[Travel A]

Will In New Haven:
"The extent of damage to Zimmerman has varied greatly from report to
report and no one on this newsgroup knows what is correct."


I wrote:
Bullshit.

The "extent of the damage to Zimmerman" hasn't varied at all. There is a
doctor's report and other medical records.

The clear evidence is that Zimmerman was attacked, and attacked in a
manner commensurate to his (Zimmerman's) account of the attack.

The only thing that has "varied" is the extent to which the media went
to to hide the fact that there were recorded medical records citing
injuries to Zimmerman that corroborated his story.

It was months before the media reported the existence of the medical
records.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:cfbabc23-4ed2-4e1b...@fq2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 6:21 pm, nine...@webtv.net (Travel A) wrote:
>> Badly blithered:
>>
>> Most people side with the victim,
>>
>
>
>
>
> Is it any surprise that the ONLY ones in this thread who KNOW what
> happened are Dutch, Bradley, and Clave?

Quote where I claimed such, you shitbag liar.

Jim

[Bradley K. Sherman]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> ...

>Is it any surprise that the ONLY ones in this thread who KNOW what
>happened are Dutch, Bradley, and Clave? The rest of us are content to
>wait until the trial starts and the facts come out.

> ...

This is a typical misconception based on watching
too many theatrical productions. In the real world,
almost all the evidence is known in advance of the
trial. It's very, very, rare that really pertinent
facts are uncovered during the trial. The chance
of a blockbuster in a high-profile trial is almost nil.

--bks

[Dutch]

You've already decided that the nigger was at fault, aren't they always?
It is NO surprise at all that its the right wing racists in this thread
who are swallowing this killer's dubious tale hook, line, and sinker.

[Travel A]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message news:

See? By using "Bradley" as a sockpuppet...


Clavey blithered:
..I'm able to kick your ass from two directions at once.
Jim


I wrote:
Try to use your own material, Clavey.

[Dutch]

There was no DNA from Zimmerman or signs of bruising on Martin's hands.

[Clave]

"Bradley K. Sherman" <b...@panix.com> wrote in message

news:ko3n98$ej1$1...@reader1.panix.com...

It doesn't matter. You don't agree with Pop-Tard's conclusion, so you're
not entitled to an opinion.

Jim

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 6:55 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> Quote where I claimed such, you shitbag liar.
>
> Jim

Ok, I will do just that, I will quote you exactly. Here it is:

-----------------------------------------------------------------
On May 28, 5:20 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
> Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer. Even
> Zimmerman admits he picked the fight (who was stalking whom
> with a gun?)
>
> --bks
----------------------------------------------------------------------


Now I will await your apology for calling me a shitbag liar.

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 6:56 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> You've already decided that the nigger was at fault, aren't they always?
>

As a black man myself, I take offense at your use of the N-word. You
are really out of line, Dutch, and you owe me and my people an apology.

[Travel A]

popinjay999 <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

See? By using "Bradley" as a sockpuppet, you're able to post twice as
many posts without making it so obvious. But "Bradley" is shown with
54000 posts, on all the SAME newsgroups that you post to.

I wrote:
So, either Badley IS that much of a loser, or Clavey doubles-up in
loserocity.

[Dutch]

popinjay999 wrote:
> On May 28, 6:10 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I just don't believe him, he has no credibility.
>
>
>
> Obviously because he is a white guy who killed a black guy.

No, because of the inconsistencies in his stories.

> If Zimmerman had been black and Travon had been white, you wouldn't
> even give a fuck about this story.

I know you find this difficult to comprehend but the race of the two
individuals is immaterial to me. This story would play exactly the same
way with a black vigilante trying to lie his way out of it and a
Hispanic victim.

[Travel A]

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 7:08 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> I know you find this difficult to comprehend but the race of the two
> individuals is immaterial to me.

Yet you have no hesitation in using the N-word which is deeply
offensive to me and my people. I think an apology is in order.

https://twitter.com/popinjay999/statuses/339564684996931584

[Dutch]

I reserve the right to use the n-word when I deem it appropriate, such
as portraying the racist mentality. Call it literary license.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:65bddfbc-1ed1-4ae1...@ks18g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Further shitbag antics can't save you, shitbag liar.

Not only was that not me, shitbag liar, but it doesn't claim knowledge
beyond what's already public.

Jim

[Dutch]

Travel blithered:

BWAK! BWAK!

[Travel A]

[Dutch]

If you look more closely I didn't actually use the n-word in a way
pejorative to blacks, it was actually a slap towards racists.

You're welcome.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:f5956bbf-5854-48b4...@jr6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

To all Americans of African descent, I apologize for a shitbag Paklid like
Pop-Tard claiming membership in your demographic.

Jim

[popinjay999]

How can you call other people 'racists' when you are the only one in
this thread to use the N-word? What a hypocrite.

https://twitter.com/popinjay999/statuses/339564684996931584

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 7:19 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

>
> news:65bddfbc-1ed1-4ae1...@ks18g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...
>

>
> > On May 28, 6:55 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>
> >> Quote where I claimed such, you shitbag liar.
>
> >> Jim
>
> > Ok, I will do just that, I will quote you exactly.  Here it is:
>
> > -----------------------------------------------------------------
> > On May 28, 5:20 am, b...@panix.com (Bradley K. Sherman) wrote:
>
> >> Most people side with the victim, not with the murderer.  Even
> >> Zimmerman admits he picked the fight (who was stalking whom
> >> with a gun?)
>
> >>     --bks
> > ----------------------------------------------------------------------
>

>

> Not only was that not me,

Yeah, excuse me, it wasn't you. <wink wink>

[Dutch]

Oh and fyi, I am offended by the use of Twitter and Facebook, I believe
they signify the collapse of western civilization.

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 7:21 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:

>
> To all Americans of African descent, I apologize for a shitbag Paklid like
> Pop-Tard claiming membership in your demographic.
>
> Jim

RGPers who were here before you and Dutch and Bradley came on the
newsgroup all know that I am black, it is a well-known fact. Haven't
you seen my photo on Twitter? Do I look like Edgar Winter to you?

https://twitter.com/popinjay999/statuses/339564684996931584

[Travel A]

On May 28, 6:10�pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

I just don't believe him, he has no credibility.

Popinjay wrote:
Obviously because he is a white guy who killed a black guy.
If Zimmerman had been black and Travon had been white, you wouldn't even
give a fuck about this story.

I wrote:
And most, most especially, either would the left wing media. And there
certainly wouldn't have been a second go-'round, the witch hunt version,
with the hack, left-wing prosecutor's office months later; after the
original on-the-scene investigation had cleared Zimmerman.

[popinjay999]

On May 28, 7:22 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> Oh and fyi, I am offended by the use of Twitter and Facebook, I believe
> they signify the collapse of western civilization.

https://twitter.com/popinjay999/statuses/339569351357251584

[Travel A]

Popinjay wrote:
..
Is it any surprise that the ONLY ones in this thread who KNOW what
happened are Dutch, Bradley, and Clave? The rest of us are content to
wait until the trial starts and the facts come out.
..

Badley blithered:

This is a typical misconception based on watching too many theatrical
productions.

I wrote:
That's a little on the inconguous side, donch think, as theatrical
productions are typically loaded with left wing propaganda.

Badley blithered:

In the real world, almost all the evidence is known in advance of the
trial.

I wrote:
Uh, I think we're talking about the evidence not reported by the left
wing media, and also the evidence supressed (and under-investigated) by
the political-hack prosecutor's office. Talk about no credibility.

The Zimmerman incident was already investigated and resolved at and
around when it happened. The evidence already cleared Zimmerman, once.
The left didn't like that outcome, and pressured for the witch hunt
version that's now going to trial.

What was that you were saying about "in the real world"?

[Travel A]

Dutchy blithered:

" There was no DNA from Zimmerman or signs of bruising on Martin's
hands."

I wrote:
Why would there be? When were these tests/examinations taken, btw? A
year after the event, chortle. When was this autopsy supposed to have
taked place?


Strawman.
Evidence is what's there, not what's not there, you idiot. Heather
Locklear's perfume wasn't wasn't detected on the participants, either.


1) The attack-incident with Martin on top of Zimmerman is witnessed.

2) Doctor's report.

3) Original on-scene investigation exculpating Zimmerman.

You're sucking wind as usual, Dutchy.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:9fd7b1a5-6dec-4bb4...@fq2g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Tacit acceptance of shitbag liar status noted.

Wink wink yourself, shitbag.

Jim

[Travel A]

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:6cc99984-e964-4d49...@v10g2000pbv.googlegroups.com...

> On May 28, 7:21 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> To all Americans of African descent, I apologize for a shitbag Paklid
>> like
>> Pop-Tard claiming membership in your demographic.
>>
>> Jim
>
>
> RGPers who were here before you and Dutch and Bradley came on the

> newsgroup all know that I am black, it is a well-known fact...

I wasn't denying it, fucking duh. I was saying how sorry I am about it.

Jim

[Travel A]

Popinjay wrote:
If Zimmerman had been black and Travon had been white, you wouldn't even
give a fuck about this story.

Dutchy blithered:

I know you find this difficult to comprehend but the race of the two
individuals is immaterial to me.

I wrote:
It's difficult to comprehend, because you're obviously lying.

Dutchy blithered:

This story would play exactly the same way with a black vigilante trying
to lie his way out of it and a Hispanic victim.

I wrote:
Chortle, note that Duchey leaves out "white." Even when Dutchy's lying,
anyway, Dutchy still can't even bring himself to admit that a white
person could ever be the victim vs. a black person.

Too funny.

[Travel A]

incong"r"ous

[Dutch]

I assume you're only playing dumb.

[O-PGManager]

On May 28 2013 8:06 PM, TruthSeeker wrote:

> On 28/5/13 3:08 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
> > On May 28 2013 3:34 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
> > You are such a talented troll. I actually enjoy when you overplay your
> > hand like this once in a while. 'Marijuana makes people go crazy' lol -
> > well done.
>
> Didn't you ever see "Reefer Madness?"

I did. It's why I'm a big fan of our drug laws.

>
>
>
> --
> TruthSeeker
>
> "On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."


Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

[Clave]

"O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:gi9g7ax...@news.ezprovider.com...

> On May 28 2013 8:06 PM, TruthSeeker wrote:
>
>> On 28/5/13 3:08 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
>> > On May 28 2013 3:34 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>>
>> > You are such a talented troll. I actually enjoy when you overplay your
>> > hand like this once in a while. 'Marijuana makes people go crazy'
>> > lol -
>> > well done.
>>
>> Didn't you ever see "Reefer Madness?"
>
> I did. It's why I'm a big fan of our drug laws.

It wasn't a documentary, dumbass.

Jim

[Dutch]

Travel A wrote:
>
>
> Dutchy blithered:
> " There was no DNA from Zimmerman or signs of bruising on Martin's
> hands."
>
> I wrote:
> Why would there be? When were these tests/examinations taken, btw? A
> year after the event, chortle. When was this autopsy supposed to have
> taked place?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/post-partisan/post/george-zimmermans-dna-problem/2012/09/30/40605a58-0a46-11e2-a10c-fa5a255a9258_blog.html

> Strawman.
> Evidence is what's there, not what's not there, you idiot. Heather
> Locklear's perfume wasn't wasn't detected on the participants, either.

What is NOT there is evidential when an accused story suggests that it
ought to be. A lot of the blood evidence falls into that category.

> 1) The attack-incident with Martin on top of Zimmerman is witnessed.

Martin on top doesn't prove anything. Here, let me pull this corpse on
top of me..

> 2) Doctor's report.

See above

> 3) Original on-scene investigation exculpating Zimmerman.
>
> You're sucking wind as usual, Dutchy.

Your unquestioning faith in gun-toting nutjob-wannabes is quite touching.

[Dutch]

I am struggling with the concept that I am wasting my time talking to
somebody this fucked in the head.