Obama has droned more Americans than Bush waterboarded terrorists

[brattt]

nm

[halfpastdead]

On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:

> nm

I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.

fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
the enemy

adios




*****************************************

I saw a bumper sticker about six months ago. It said: "Don't Mex with
Tejas".

---------------------------------------------------------------

[ChrisRobin]

On May 23 2013 11:20 AM, halfpastdead wrote:

> On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
>
> > nm
>
> I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
> pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
> citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
>
> fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
> the enemy

Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him so!

[brattt]

On May 23 2013 10:20 AM, halfpastdead wrote:

> On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
>
> > nm
>
> I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
> pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
> citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
>
> fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
> the enemy
>
> adios

Only one was targeted. And so what? There lives are worth less than the
waterboarded assholes?

fuck all of em - but don't whine about waterboarding.

[VegasJerry]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
> On May 23 2013 11:20 AM, halfpastdead wrote:
>
> > On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
> >
> > > nm
> >
> > I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
> > pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
> > citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
> >
> > fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
> > the enemy

.
.> Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him so!

So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your president bombed innocent Americans? Please do show us. Or, better yet, contact the press, you have a scoop.

Jerry (lol) 'n Vegas

[O-PGManager]

On May 23 2013 12:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > On May 23 2013 11:20 AM, halfpastdead wrote:
> >
> > > On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
> > >
> > > > nm
> > >
> > > I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
> > > pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
> > > citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
> > >
> > > fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
> > > the enemy
>
> .

> ..> Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him so!

>
> So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your president
bombed innocent
> Americans? Please do show us. Or, better yet, contact the press, you have a
scoop.
>
> Jerry (lol) 'n Vegas

http://warincontext.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/Abdulrahman-al-Awlaki.jpg

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

[ChrisRobin]

On May 23 2013 12:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

This was in the news just yesterday:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/american-citizens-drone-strikes_n_3321950.html

[popinjay999]

On May 23, 8:20 am, "halfpastdead" <aa94...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
> pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
> citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
>

Pretty big talk from someone who's a turncoat and traitor himself.

[risky biz]

Is that the "we're bad but you're more bad so join the big happy club"
standard?

Can either one of you conceive of a government that would allow a secret
bureaucrat to define your political opinions, "left" or "right", as
"terrorist" and mark you as a target?

Have you ever wondered why a police department isn't allowed to review a
video of a convenience store robbery/murder and then just send an officer
out to execute the person they're SURE is the perpetrator? It's a trick
question.

[Dave the Clueless]

On May 23 2013 1:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > On May 23 2013 11:20 AM, halfpastdead wrote:
> >
> > > On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
> > >
> > > > nm
> > >
> > > I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
> > > pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
> > > citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
> > >
> > > fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
> > > the enemy
>
> .

> ..> Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him so!

>
> So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your president
bombed innocent
> Americans? Please do show us. Or, better yet, contact the press, you have a
scoop.
>
> Jerry (lol) 'n Vegas

It isn't a scoop, moron. Everybody BUT you knows it.


-------
JerryFOREX the retard thinks "Cornel Ronald West (born June 2, 1953) is an
American philosopher, academic, activist, author and prominent member of
the Democratic Socialists of America" is a right-winger! LOL! HAHAHAHAH!
What a moron!!!

[Dutch]

Are you incapable of distinguishing between killing your enemies and
torturing them?

[brattt]

so which is worse?

[brattt]

I have no idea what I have said that would make you believe I didn't agree
with everything you just said.

[risky biz]

This: "fuck all of em - but don't whine about waterboarding."

[risky biz]

"your enemies"? Because a secret government bureaucrat decided they were
your "enemies" for you? And why should someone distinguish between torture
and assassination?

You are utterly brainless.

[VegasJerry]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:50:42 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
> On May 23 2013 12:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
> > > Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him so!
> >
> > So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your president
> bombed innocent
> > Americans? Please do show us. Or, better yet, contact the press, you have a
> scoop.
>

.
.> This was in the news just yesterday:
>
> http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/american-citizens-drone-strikes_n_3321950.html

That's nice, but doesn't answer my question.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 11:53:59 AM UTC-7, Dave the Clueless wrote:
> On May 23 2013 1:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > > On May 23 2013 11:20 AM, halfpastdead wrote:
> > >
> > > > On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > nm
> > > >
> > > > I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
> > > > pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
> > > > citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
> > > >
> > > > fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
> > > > the enemy
> >
> > .
> > ..> Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him so!
> >
> > So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your president
> bombed innocent
> > Americans? Please do show us. Or, better yet, contact the press, you have a
> scoop.
> >
> > Jerry (lol) 'n Vegas

.
.> It isn't a scoop, moron. Everybody BUT you knows it.

Jesus fucking Christ. You've been selected as the site idiot; you don't have to keep proving it. You're as bad and as stupid as SS. I asked a simple fucking question and you can't even begin to address it, much less answer it. Then you post your Proven Stupid tag line to finish your dodge?

You win the award for being born Embarrassed Proofed.

Jerry (still LOL @ this idiot) 'n Vegas

[Dutch]

You really don't know?

[ChrisRobin]

On May 23 2013 6:20 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 9:50:42 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
> > On May 23 2013 12:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> >
> > > On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:
> >
> > > > Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him
so!
> > >
> > > So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your
president
> > bombed innocent
> > > Americans? Please do show us. Or, better yet, contact the press, you
have a
> > scoop.

> ..> This was in the news just yesterday:

> >
> >
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/05/22/american-citizens-drone-strikes_n_3321950.html
>
> That's nice, but doesn't answer my question.

It answers your question precisely, you imbecile.

[VegasJerry]

The "imbecile" is still all yours; the questions remain unanswered and you're still dodging. Here, let me rub then in your face:

"So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your president bombed innocent Americans?" (Should I have underlined "innocent," you 'imbecile'?)

Jerry 'n Vegas

[brattt]

On May 23 2013 6:04 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

"Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in
some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake."

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki

Anwar al-Awlaki and his Egyptian-born wife, Gihan Mohsen Baker, had an
American son, born on Sept. 13, 1995, in Denver, while al-Awlaki was a
student at Colorado State. His son's name Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki. He
was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It,
too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials
called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have
considered it a bad mistake.

It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some
reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was
sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run
away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to
terrorism.

Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was
justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57585798/who-were-the-4-u.s-citizens-killed-in-drone-strikes/

[brewmaster]

Moot point, nobody was tortured (waterboarding isn't torture).

[fffurken]

On May 24, 12:39 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> Moot point, nobody was tortured (waterboarding isn't torture).

Oh boy.

brew, I'm starting to think that almost every post you make is rank
fucking stupid.

Get a buddy* of yours to waterboard you (i.e. simulated drowning)
preferably in conjunction with your detention in a confined area being
interrogated for a week or two and then come back to me and tell me if
it isn't torture.

*That's if you have one.

[risky biz]

When were you waterboarded?

[brewmaster]

I'll do it. Discomfort is not torture. Look up some medievel tortures
and see the difference.

[ChrisRobin]

Re-read the article, you fucking bozo. Three of the four Americans killed
by drones weren't even targets.

[risky biz]

You call inducing the sensation of suffocation "discomfort"? In any case,
since when is it ethical for some interrogator asshole to decide who's
guilty and who isn't? That's what I call total, absolute faith in
government.

[ChrisRobin]

Hilarious. Christopher Hitches said the same thing, and even volunteered
to be waterboarded for a Vanity Fair feature. He lasted about 5 seconds,
and changed his tune immediately.

[risky biz]

That imperialist suck up deserved to die the way he did. Not a minute too
soon.

[Pepe Papon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 08:20:28 -0700, "halfpastdead"
<aa9...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
>
>> nm
>
>I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
>pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
>citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
>
>fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
>the enemy

...allegedly.
--

Pepe Papon

[Pepe Papon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 09:00:37 -0700 (PDT), VegasJerry <jer...@cox.net>
wrote:

>
>On Thursday, May 23, 2013 8:52:23 AM UTC-7, ChrisRobin wrote:

>> On May 23 2013 11:20 AM, halfpastdead wrote:
>>
>> > On May 23 2013 7:41 AM, brattt wrote:
>> >
>> > > nm
>> >
>> > I hope u r aware that we are NOT droning American tourist groups taking
>> > pictures and suntanning in foreign lands. he is targeting American
>> > citizens who have been shown to be the worst of turncoats and traitors.
>> >
>> > fuck em .. they made a choice to shit-can their citizenship and fight for
>> > the enemy
>
>.

>.> Doggy knows this because some anonymous government official told him so!

>
>So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your president bombed innocent Americans? Please do show us. Or, better yet, contact the press, you have a scoop.

I think you might be a little confused about that burden of proof
thingy.
--

Pepe Papon

[Pepe Papon]

On Thu, 23 May 2013 12:19:26 -0700, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid>

Only one of the two is prohibited by the Constitution. Do you know
which?
--

Pepe Papon

[Mossingen]

"ChrisRobin" wrote in message news:skb37ax...@news.ezprovider.com...

___________________________________________



Of course it's torture. I never really understood how that part was even
debatable. Otherwise intelligent people don't seem to fully grasp just how
terrifying drowning is. Hell, Hitchens did it in a setting where he knew
that he could stop at any time and wasn't in any real danger. The fear must
be heightened by a factor of 100 if someone is being waterboarded "for real"
by people who mean to do him harm and facing a real danger of death.

Now, whether such torture should be used or not is a different question. As
to the medieval devices, I think most of those are execution devices that
cause an agonizing death.

[Pepe Papon]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:38:22 -0500, "Mossingen" <jhan...@cox.net>
wrote:

The thinking seems to be that X can't be torture because Y is worse,
which is just silly.
--

Pepe Papon

[VegasJerry]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:19:19 PM UTC-7, brattt wrote:

.
.> On May 23 2013 6:04 PM, VegasJerry wrote:

No, I did not write the following and you still can't address my question.
But then, you never could because you'd be embarrassing yourself again.

Jerry 'n Vegas

[VegasJerry]

.
.> Re-read the article, you fucking bozo. Three of the four Americans killed

> by drones weren't even targets.

Re-read my fucking question, idiot; you STILL haven't answer it. And because of your lack of reading comprehension I even gave you an hint.

[VegasJerry]

.
.> I think you might be a little confused about that burden of proof
> thingy.

Nope, my question stands.

[brewmaster]

Since waterboarding doesn't actually cause bodily harm and can't actually
drown somebody, but only cause them to experience the feeling of drowning,
it isn't torture...at least, it isn't physical torture (it might be mental
torture, but they are trying to get info so who gives a fuck). Do you
think KSM was scared of the procedure on his 100th time?

[brattt]

"Some U.S. officials called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in
some reports, to have considered it a bad mistake."

Abdulrahman al-Awlaki

Anwar al-Awlaki and his Egyptian-born wife, Gihan Mohsen Baker, had an
American son, born on Sept. 13, 1995, in Denver, while al-Awlaki was a
student at Colorado State. His son's name Abdulrahman Anwar al-Awlaki. He
was killed at age 16 in a drone strike on Oct. 14, 2011, in Yemen. It,
too, was a controversial extra-judicial killing. Some U.S. officials
called it a mistake. Even the president is said, in some reports, to have
considered it a bad mistake.

It is not clear where the young al-Awlaki was when he was killed. Some
reports say that he was in a cafe with friends; other reports that he was
sitting by the road eating with friends. His family said that he had run
away from home and was trying to find his father. He had no known ties to
terrorism.

Former White House press secretary Robert Gibbs, stated that his death was
justified, and that he "should have had a more responsible father."

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-202_162-57585798/who-were-the-4-u.s-cit...

[brattt]

On May 25 2013 8:56 AM, VegasJerry wrote:

> On Thursday, May 23, 2013 4:19:19 PM UTC-7, brattt wrote:
>
> .

> ..> On May 23 2013 6:04 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> No, I did not write the following and you still can't address my question.
> But then, you never could because you'd be embarrassing yourself again.
>
> Jerry 'n Vegas

My apologies - I left your name up there so there would be no confusion to
whom I was responding. I just posted the article again without any
mistaken attribution to you. And the answer to your question is in there.
Unless you believe than a 16 yr. old boy who the President said was a
mistake to kill doesn't answer your question.

[brattt]

On May 25 2013 9:00 AM, VegasJerry wrote:


> Re-read my fucking question, idiot; you STILL haven't answer it. And because
of your lack of reading
> comprehension I even gave you an hint.

Jerry - your fucking question was

""So you have information that it's a lie? You can show where your
president bombed innocent
Americans?" (Should I have underlined "innocent," you 'imbecile'?)"

The information I posted came from Obama. Is he not a good source?

[Pepe Papon]

On Sat, 25 May 2013 07:15:16 -0700, "brewmaster"
<a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
>Since waterboarding doesn't actually cause bodily harm and can't actually
>drown somebody, but only cause them to experience the feeling of drowning,
>it isn't torture...at least, it isn't physical torture (it might be mental
>torture, but they are trying to get info so who gives a fuck). Do you
>think KSM was scared of the procedure on his 100th time?

Definition of TORTURE

1
a : anguish of body or mind : agony

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torture
--

Pepe Papon

[O-PGManager]

Are you really trying to engage JERRY on a matter relating to Obama? No
court in America would try to hold him to account, he's battling
diminished mental capacity. (and losing)

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

[ChrisRobin]

> ..> Re-read the article, you fucking bozo. Three of the four Americans killed

> > by drones weren't even targets.
>
> Re-read my fucking question, idiot; you STILL haven't answer it. And because
of your lack of reading
> comprehension I even gave you an hint.

Dumbfuck.

[Mossingen]

"brewmaster" wrote in message news:kkt67ax...@news.ezprovider.com...

______________________________________________________



I dunno brew. If I captured you, held you prisoner, and over a course of
several months I kneed you in the balls 99 times as hard as I could, would
you mind if I did it one more time?

[brewmaster]

Just 1 time doing that could cause permanent harm or kill me,
waterboarding can't.

[Travel A]

The various U.S. special forces get waterboarded as part of their
training. Oliver North was waterboarded as part of his Marine training.

Waterboarding of terrorist captives should be legislated as an absolute,
mandatory procedure.

There should be a waterboarding pavilion at Gitmo.

[Pepe Papon]

On Sun, 26 May 2013 18:54:40 -0700, "brewmaster"
<a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>>
>>
>>
>> I dunno brew. If I captured you, held you prisoner, and over a course of
>> several months I kneed you in the balls 99 times as hard as I could, would
>> you mind if I did it one more time?
>
>Just 1 time doing that could cause permanent harm or kill me,
>waterboarding can't.

Definition of TORTURE

1
a : anguish of body or mind : agony

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/torture
--

--

Pepe Papon

[Travel A]

Definition of torture: what the families of the terrorist victims go
through.

Give your "cute" little "torture definition" to the mother of the five
year old boy killed at the Boston bombing, Poupon.

[Will in New Haven]

On May 25, 10:15 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On May 24 2013 9:57 PM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>

> > On Fri, 24 May 2013 09:38:22 -0500, "Mossingen" <jhanki...@cox.net>
> > wrote:
>
> > >"ChrisRobin"  wrote in messagenews:skb37ax...@news.ezprovider.com...

Are you _really_ naive enough to think that torture will produce
useful information _in a timely fashion_

The truth is that everyone breaks under torture but the other truth is
that they take a long time to break and the "information" one gets out
of it is largely gibberish. If they break a bit quicker they may keep
their wits together well enough to lie.

The scenario so often used by torture justifiers is some extremely
awful thing is going to happen and you need the information _quickly_
like the location of a bomb in Grand Central or something.

If that is the case, as it has almost never been, you do what you have
to do and stand trial for it. There is no need for it to be legal or
permitted by policy. If you wind up in Leavenworth, you still did the
right thing.

My choice would be "ask two, no answer? shoot one." It worked quicker
than anything else our South Vietnamese allies ever did in this
direction and they did a lot of things.

--
Will in New Haven

[brewmaster]

No, the reason to torture somebody is because you hate them and want them
to suffer, and you will experience joy in the watching of the suffering.

[Will in New Haven]

Ok. Then you should be killed out of hand. Thank you for the
clarification.

[Travel A]

Of course waterboarding produces useful information. It can fill-in
"pieces of the puzzle," discerned from already-known information. There
are things that ony someone "who was there" would know, etc. There are
cross-checks that can verify good bits-of-information, etc.

This left wing mantra about information from waterboarding is unreliable
because they'll "say anything" is bullshit. It's a red herring.

Want to effectively fight terrorism? Do what Israel does.