OT: US increases travel warning to 14 Mexican states

[popinjay999]

The U.S. State Department is recommending that Americans avoid travel
to all or parts of 14 of 31 Mexican states in the widest travel
advisory issued since Mexico stepped up its drug war in 2006.

The department advises against any nonessential travel in all of
Chihuahua, Coahuila and Tamaulipas, which border the U.S, and in the
central state of Durango, as well as sections of 10 other states.

http://tinyurl.com/89gws8n

[BillB]

I say we send Alim and Jason down to the border to try out their new
non-violent policing theories in the field.

[popinjay999]

On Feb 10, 11:37 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:

>
> I say we send Alim and Jason down to the border to try out their new
> non-violent policing theories in the field.

I had an offer a few years ago to go there on business. I got a copy
of my birth certificate in preparation for getting a passport, but in
the meanwhile I got to thinking and changed my mind. I don't care how
much money I could make going there, it ain't worth getting killed or
getting jailed for. I'm not going. Ever. They could throw me in
jail there and you'd never hear from Popinjay again. No right to a
speedy trial there. Fuck that.

This is actually a pretty frightening story. That's why I posted it.
This is serious shit.

[BillB]

A friend of mine went down to baja with a $150k motorhome and a few
thousand cash and came home on a bus with nothing but lint in his
pockets. Then he found out he had the wrong insurance and none of it was
covered.

A client of mine has a beautiful villa (I've seen the pictures) near
Puerto Vallarta that sits unused 95% of the time. We've had an open
invitation to use it for 10 years, but my wife refuses to go to Mexico.
I really can't say I have a great desire to go myself. They really need
to get their shit together.

[BillB]

On 2/10/2012 11:57 PM, BillB wrote:

>my wife refuses to go to Mexico.
> I really can't say I have a great desire to go myself. They really need
> to get their shit together.

Hey, I have an even better idea. Send Alim and Jason down to Mexico to
work their revolutionary non-violent policing techniques directly on the
cartels. They may need some backup, so we'll send Opie and ChrisRobin
along too.

It's so crazy, it just might work. What do we have to lose?

[bratt]

I watched this story on 48 hours a while ago - absolutely terrifying

You can watch it OR read it here, but watching it is really powerful.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/01/01/48hours/main6044922.shtml


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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

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[Alim Nassor]

So, you are comparing a man in diabetic shock to a member of the
Zeta's?

[Alim Nassor]

I used to go to Nuevo Laredo and Piedras Negras regularly, and Ciudad
Acuna whenever I was at my deer lease in Sonora. We quit going some
years ago. The last time, not two weeks after we were there, our
favorite bar on Guererro Street in Nuevo Laredo was machinegunned.

I drove to San Miguel De'Allende once to run with the bulls. Never
had any trouble at the checkpoints, got pulled over once on the main
highway by a Federale, who just let us go on after we told him where
we were going. On the way home, in the town of Monclova, I got pulled
over by a local. He held us up for 50 bucks. I decided that was the
last nickel I would spend on that trip in Mexico, we drove to Eagle
Pass to spend the night.

[BillB]

On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:03:50 -0800 (PST), Alim Nassor

>So, you are comparing a man in diabetic shock to a member of the
>Zeta's?

Why are you even mentioning diabetic? Do you believe they knew he was
diabetic? Why wouldn't they think he was exactly what he appeared to
be, and what he would be in that situation 999 times out of 1000?

[Alim Nassor]

I'm mentioning it because cops are trained to recognize the signs and
symptoms of diabetic shock. And those jerk-offs had numerous
opportunities to re-assess the situation.

[BTSinAustin]

So sad. I love Mexico. At one point I thought I might retire down there.
Open up a couple of small tourist businesses. As recent as 2 years ago
cancun and cozemel were still safe with a large presence of military and
federalies. Now the economy of the peninsula must be in tatters.

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[Iceman]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:61c4d402-dd38-4272...@ow3g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

Importantly, they don't warn against travel to Mexico City or to the Mexican
beach resorts. Mexico is a large country, and much of the drug violence is
concentrated on the Mexican side of the US border and in a few rural areas
that are trafficking routes for the drug trade and that see very few
tourists. The fact that some parts of Mexico are unsafe, doesn't mean that
someone going to Mexico City on business, or to a resort in Cancun would be
in danger.

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 9:07 am, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Importantly, they don't warn against travel to Mexico City or to the Mexican
> beach resorts.  Mexico is a large country, and much of the drug violence is
> concentrated on the Mexican side of the US border and in a few rural areas
> that are trafficking routes for the drug trade and that see very few
> tourists.  The fact that some parts of Mexico are unsafe, doesn't mean that
> someone going to Mexico City on business, or to a resort in Cancun would be
> in danger.

Somehow your assurance does not make me want to go. I'll tell you
what, Iceman, YOU go first, then post when you get back.

By the way, where was that casino that got all shot up? Wasn't that
in one of the main tourist spots?

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 6:09 am, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> I used to go to Nuevo Laredo and Piedras Negras regularly, and Ciudad
> Acuna whenever I was at my deer lease in Sonora.   We quit going some
> years ago.  The last time, not two weeks after we  were there, our
> favorite bar on Guererro Street in Nuevo Laredo was machinegunned.
>
> I drove to San Miguel De'Allende once to run with the bulls.  Never
> had any trouble at the checkpoints, got pulled over once on the main
> highway by a Federale, who just let us go on after we told him where
> we were going.  On the way home, in the town of Monclova, I got pulled
> over by a local.  He held us up for 50 bucks.   I decided that was the
> last nickel I would spend on that trip in Mexico, we drove to Eagle
> Pass to spend the night.

What do you mean by "a local held you up for 50 bucks"? Does that
mean a local cop? Or a bandito? Or what?

[bratt]

It is the first time the State Department listed advisories for each of
Mexico’s 31 states, including the federal district of Mexico City, where
there is no warning. There were also no warnings for the states that are
home to Cancun and Cabo San Lucas, two popular tourist destinations for
Americans.

The advisory seems to take pains not to make even violence-plagued tourist
destinations off limits.

http://articles.boston.com/2012-02-10/news/31047146_1_nonessential-travel-mexican-states-state-warning

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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

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[Bea Foroni]

On Feb 11, 8:52 am, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> So sad.  I love Mexico.  At one point I thought I might retire down there.
>  Open up a couple of small tourist businesses.  As recent as 2 years ago
> cancun and cozemel were still safe with a large presence of military and
> federalies. Now the economy of the peninsula must be in tatters.
>

Three factors contributing to the ruination of Mexico.

At least 1/3 of the economy is based on trafficing of illegal drugs.
If we made marijuana legal in the US, the Mexican economy would fall
in the crapper.

The labor drain of the Mexican population. The USA attracts the
hardest working portion of the Mexican population, works them until
they can't work no more and then sends them back.

The flow of weapons from the USA to Mexico. Nearly every weapon used
in shootouts, massacares and kidnappings comes directly from the
largest producer of weapons in the world. Even the weapons manufacured
in other countries, enter Mexico from their northern neighbor, the
largest exporter of weapons in the world.

Do you know Mexico has the third largest oil reserves in the world?
Closer than Saudi Arabia and easier to pump than Canada's, they could
be the answer to America's energy problems. If...

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 9:07 am, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>  The fact that some parts of Mexico are unsafe, doesn't mean that
> someone going to Mexico City on business, or to a resort in Cancun would be
> in danger.

Iceman, I don't get that from the article. Did you even read the
link? Sounds like there is danger, EVERYWHERE.

[Iceman]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:f9bfa241-0d95-489e...@qt7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

On Feb 11, 9:07 am, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> Importantly, they don't warn against travel to Mexico City or to the
> Mexican
> beach resorts. Mexico is a large country, and much of the drug violence is
> concentrated on the Mexican side of the US border and in a few rural areas
> that are trafficking routes for the drug trade and that see very few
> tourists. The fact that some parts of Mexico are unsafe, doesn't mean that
> someone going to Mexico City on business, or to a resort in Cancun would
> be
> in danger.


"Somehow your assurance does not make me want to go. I'll tell you
what, Iceman, YOU go first, then post when you get back."

I spent one month in Mexico in 2003. I went all over - Guadalajara, Mexico
City, colonial towns, and a few beach areas. I was careful in Mexico City
and Guadalajara at night, and took taxis when I had to. Granted, the drug
violence wasn't as bad then, but I never felt unsafe. Many parts of Mexico
are beautiful, and the people were very friendly. Mexico City is especially
fascinating, and is loaded with historic sites, centuries-old buildings, and
colorful markets.

"By the way, where was that casino that got all shot up? Wasn't that
in one of the main tourist spots?"

No - it was in the city of Monterrey. It's a business city that sees few
tourists.

[Alim Nassor]

A local cop. He simply demanded 50 bucks or we go to jail. Actually
he got 60 bucks off me, all I had was 20's and I didn't get any change
LOL. I was so fucking pissed, but not much you can do in that
situation. I was stopped at a redlight and he was in the opposite
lane. I told my ex, he sure is eyeballing us, sure enough he u-turned
and pulled us over.

[fffurken]

Is there something particular going on in Mexico right now?

That must suck for Americans! If I was an American and lived
reasonably close I'd probably be down there all the time drinking
tequila and fucking whores. YMMV.

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 10:00 am, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

>

>
> "Somehow your assurance does not make me want to go.  I'll tell you
> what, Iceman, YOU go first, then post when you get back."
>
> I spent one month in Mexico in 2003.  I went all over - Guadalajara, Mexico
> City, colonial towns, and a few beach areas.  I was careful in Mexico City
> and Guadalajara at night, and took taxis when I had to.  Granted, the drug
> violence wasn't as bad then, but I never felt unsafe.  Many parts of Mexico
> are beautiful, and the people were very friendly.  Mexico City is especially
> fascinating, and is loaded with historic sites, centuries-old buildings, and
> colorful markets.
>
> "By the way, where was that casino that got all shot up?  Wasn't that
> in one of the main tourist spots?"
>
> No - it was in the city of Monterrey.  It's a business city that sees few
> tourists.

But that was almost ten frigging years ago. A virtual CENTURY ago.
And the article I linked, about the increased warnings, is current,
not a decade old. Dude, what are you thinking?

[Bea Foroni]

And donkey shows. Don't forget the donkey shows.

And small amounts of drugs, too. Pot and cough syrup and a Tecate.
Life can be good.

BTW, I thought when I voted you out you'd be gone. What happened?

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 10:03 am, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> A local cop. He simply demanded 50 bucks or we go to jail.  Actually
> he got 60 bucks off me, all I had was 20's and I didn't get any change
> LOL.  I was so fucking pissed, but not much you can do in that
> situation.  I was stopped at a redlight and he was in the opposite
> lane.  I told my ex, he sure is eyeballing us, sure enough he u-turned
> and pulled us over.

Fuck that piece-a-shit country. We ought to seal the border and nuke
them mutherfuckers. I'm so sick of hearing stories like this

I like how they demand that we take their people in up here, but then
the way they treat immigrants at the other end of their country, they
jail people for coming into Mexico from El Salvador or wherever.
Fucking hypocrites, and our politicians kiss their ass. Fuckers.
Just bomb 'em, fuck it.

[fffurken]

I didn't now you voted in ramashiva's thread.

Do you want me to check?

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 10:26 am, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>

> Is there something particular going on in Mexico right now?
>
> That must suck for Americans! If I was an American and lived
> reasonably close I'd probably be down there all the time drinking
> tequila and fucking whores. YMMV.

See? This is why you are only one signature away from having to leave
this newsgroup. You add nothing. Ankle biter.

[chandler]

On Feb 11 2012 2:31 AM, popinjay999 wrote:

> The U.S. State Department is recommending that Americans avoid travel
> to all or parts of 14 of 31 Mexican states in the widest travel
> advisory issued since Mexico stepped up its drug war in 2006.
>

I do love Mexico. Been going down there once a year for the past few
years. South of Cancun --Playa Del Carmen, Akumal, Tulum. Good people,
great food, beautiful beaches. You ever swim with sea turtles, P?
Amazing and gentle creatures. I don't have to look hard to find dozens of
the big greens swimming and munching the sea grass in the waters right off
the beach. I haven't been messed with yet, but it is possible the next
time I am driving down 307 I'll be hit for a bribe from a cop, or scammed
at the gas station or maybe even have the car broken into. I'll almost
certainly visit again this year. Thus far safety has not seemed an
issue.... Tourist safety aside, can you imagine what it's like to live in
the shit that's going on up north?

Chandler

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[fffurken]

Get fucked asshole, it was a joke.

Just because you hardly dare step outside your front door doesn't mean
the rest of us are like that.

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 11:24 am, "chandler" <a5a7...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>  I haven't been messed with yet, but it is possible the next
> time I am driving down 307 I'll be hit for a bribe from a cop,
> or scammed
> at the gas station or maybe even have the car broken into.  I'll almost
> certainly visit again this year.  Thus far safety has not seemed an
> issue....

Sounds like a negative expectation play. Perhaps you should quit
while you're ahead.

[BillB]

On 2/11/2012 6:17 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:

> I'm mentioning it because cops are trained to recognize the signs and
> symptoms of diabetic shock.

Get a grip. I am trained to recognize symptoms of diabetic shock, and
I'm not going to be making that nebulous assessment in a split second,
in the dark, in the midst of an armed takedown. Are you for real? You
can start thinking about highly unlikely possibilities like "diabetic
shock" once you neutralize the threat by getting the cuffs on what was
clearly a resisting suspect. There's no way you were ever anything but a
mall cop.

[Iceman]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:5eea3d1a-e3dc-4e82...@iu7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

I think it's a much bigger deal for Mexican-Americans who want to visit
their family members in Mexico. Or for anyone who wants to drive down to
Mexico, since some of the most dangerous areas are on the border and some of
the states you would pass through, say, driving from San Antonio to Cancun,
are unsafe. But as far as the parts of Mexico that most tourists actually
visit, the travel warning says most of them are safe:

"Quintana Roo (Cancun, Cozumel, Playa del Carmen, Riviera Maya and Tulum):
No advisory is in effect."

"Baja California (South): No advisory is in effect." - that's Cabo San Lucas

"Yucatan (Merida and Chichen Itza): No advisory is in effect."

"Mexico City (also known as the Federal District): No advisory is in
effect."

"Oaxaca (Oaxaca, Huatulco and Puerto Escondido): No warning is in effect."

"Guanajuato (San Miguel de Allende and Leon) No advisory is in effect."

"Guerrero (Acapulco, Ixtapa, Zihuatanejo and Taxco): Defer non-essential
travel to the northwestern and southern portions of the state, except for
Acapulco, Zihuatanejo, and Ixtapa. In those cities, you should exercise
caution and stay within tourist areas."

"Jalisco (Guadalajara and Puerto Vallarta): Defer non-essential travel to
areas of the state that border the states of Michoacán and Zacatecas. You
should also exercise caution when traveling at night outside of cities in
the remaining portions of this state."

http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/U-S-expands-Mexico-travel-warning-to-14-states-3242201.php

[mo_ntresor]

On Feb 11 2012 12:57 AM, BillB wrote:

> > I had an offer a few years ago to go there on business. I got a copy
> > of my birth certificate in preparation for getting a passport, but in
> > the meanwhile I got to thinking and changed my mind. I don't care how
> > much money I could make going there, it ain't worth getting killed or
> > getting jailed for. I'm not going. Ever. They could throw me in
> > jail there and you'd never hear from Popinjay again. No right to a
> > speedy trial there. Fuck that.
> >
> > This is actually a pretty frightening story. That's why I posted it.
> > This is serious shit.
>
> A friend of mine went down to baja with a $150k motorhome and a few
> thousand cash and came home on a bus with nothing but lint in his
> pockets. Then he found out he had the wrong insurance and none of it was
> covered.
>
> A client of mine has a beautiful villa (I've seen the pictures) near
> Puerto Vallarta that sits unused 95% of the time. We've had an open
> invitation to use it for 10 years, but my wife refuses to go to Mexico.

> I really can't say I have a great desire to go myself. They really need
> to get their shit together.

LMFAO!
what's the matter you fat fucking pussy, afraid of a few little mexicans?

mo_ntresor

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[mo_ntresor]

On Feb 11 2012 12:31 AM, popinjay999 wrote:

> The U.S. State Department is recommending that Americans avoid travel
> to all or parts of 14 of 31 Mexican states in the widest travel
> advisory issued since Mexico stepped up its drug war in 2006.
>

> The department advises against any nonessential travel in all of
> Chihuahua, Coahuila and Tamaulipas, which border the U.S, and in the
> central state of Durango, as well as sections of 10 other states.
>
> http://tinyurl.com/89gws8n

the state department's scared of mexicans.

mo_ntresor

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[mo_ntresor]

On Feb 11 2012 11:00 AM, Iceman wrote:

> "Somehow your assurance does not make me want to go. I'll tell you
> what, Iceman, YOU go first, then post when you get back."
>
> I spent one month in Mexico in 2003.

LOL. this is the kind of intellectual power we're forced to deal with.

mo_ntresor

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[BTSinAustin]

All good points. You missed the biggest problem though and that's
corruption. The Mexican government has been so corrupt for so long that
it's almost a joke. Reform of any kind is almost impossible. Any new
revenue gets absorbed by the same cast of characters.

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[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 4:24 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> All good points.   You missed the biggest problem though and that's
> corruption.  The Mexican government has been so corrupt for so long that
> it's almost a joke.  Reform of any kind is almost impossible.  Any new
> revenue gets absorbed by the same cast of characters.
>

It was founded on corruption. I know it's not thought of as a
communist country, but it might as well be. And it's history is rich
in communists. Pancho Villa, Zapata, communists. Institutional
Revolutionary Party, essentially communist. It's a defacto communist
shithole. And they've never been our friend politically.

[Bea Foroni]

Most people who live under a totalatarian government don't think they
are. Most people who live in a shithole, don't think it is a shithole.
Most people are happy and think their world is normal. Mexico has
about 130 million people and most don't want to come to the US.

A big part of Mexico's problem is that it is a conquered nation. And
each time it has been conquered, the conquerers have demanded the
Mexican people pay for the conquering. First Spain, then France, then
Spain and I think they also owe England and the USA, if I'm not
mistaken. From day one they have been a debtor nation. Look to Mexico
as the US's possible future.

[ChrisRobin]

On Feb 11 2012 9:09 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

> And they've never been our friend politically.

That's because for all intents and purposes it's a U.S. colony, numbnuts.

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[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 6:34 pm, Bea Foroni <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:

>
>  Most people who live under a totalatarian government don't think they
> are.

lol get the fuck outta here, that's so stupid it's not even worth
calling it stupid

[popinjay999]

On Feb 11, 8:51 pm, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> That's because for all intents and purposes it's a U.S. colony, numbnuts.
>

I guess that's why Mexico votes against us about 70% of the time in
the United Nations.

[chandler]

I guess it depends how you are keeping score. If I had to I'd trade all
the thousands of hours I've spent in casinos trying to grind out of a few
lousy bucks for one good day in Akumal swimming with turtles.

Chandler

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[Alim Nassor]

Believe whatever you want. You will no matter what anyway.

[Alim Nassor]

That's what pissed me off about the illegals staging huge
demonstrations in our country, waving their fucking mexican flags.
Protest their own shithole of a country, not the place they run to
illegally to get away. Clean up their own mess, don't drag us down
with them.

[Alim Nassor]

> http://www.chron.com/news/houston-texas/article/U-S-expands-Mexico-tr...

Problem occurs when you enjoy driving into Mexico, like I used to do.
Hard to get to Guanajuato with going through the order areas.

[VegasJerry]

Felony Stops with Resistance have been handled this way for years. It will
continue to be done this way. The few and the stupid will still bitch;
have no viable suggestion as to a better way; still believe the, "We're
now changing the way we do it," put-offs; and still remain as stupid and
clueless as ever.


Jerry (I know; you don't; get over it) n Vegas

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[Iceman]

"Alim Nassor" <alimn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:80f99192-8be1-4b4c...@dq9g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

> Problem occurs when you enjoy driving into Mexico, like I used to do.
> Hard to get to Guanajuato with going through the order areas.

Maybe it's not that bad if you don't drive at night and stay out of cities
like Juarez.

[Alim Nassor]

On Feb 12, 10:28 am, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> "Alim Nassor" <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

I don't think right now, there is a safe time to drive in Tamaulipas,
Coahuila or Nuevo Leon.

[Hollis2]

Of course, you don't see what happened before the first cop went up to the
vehicle, but it's pretty clear that this is not a routine traffic stop. I
assume that the guy was driving erratically and didn't stop when ordered
to. So as far as the cops were concerned, he was already resisting. It's
also clear that they guy didn't put the car in park when he stopped. The
most likely explanation for all this is that the guy was drunk. The cops
acted in a reasonable manner, with the exception of the cop who kicked him
in the head. There's no excuse for that behavior.

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[BTSinAustin]

On Feb 11 2012 9:14 AM, BillB wrote:

> On Sat, 11 Feb 2012 06:03:50 -0800 (PST), Alim Nassor
>
>
> >So, you are comparing a man in diabetic shock to a member of the
> >Zeta's?
>
>
> Why are you even mentioning diabetic? Do you believe they knew he was
> diabetic? Why wouldn't they think he was exactly what he appeared to
> be, and what he would be in that situation 999 times out of 1000?


So this is nothing like a widow with a baby assuming a guy breaking in is
"exactly what he appeared to be, and what he would be in that situation
999 times out of 1000"?

Spin that bitch

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[BTSinAustin]

Why would he be afraid? He would just disarm them and beat them to a pulp.
Here is Bill practicing.

http://tinyurl.com/6fsu4mt

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[bratt]

teehee - is this the other picture you posted except with his spiderman
costume? Love it.


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On Nov 8 2011 2:11 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
Jerry (almonst worthless) 'n Vegas

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[BTSinAustin]

On Feb 11 2012 1:00 PM, Iceman wrote:

> "popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

> news:f9bfa241-0d95-489e...@qt7g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...
> On Feb 11, 9:07 am, "Iceman" <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > Importantly, they don't warn against travel to Mexico City or to the
> > Mexican
> > beach resorts. Mexico is a large country, and much of the drug violence is
> > concentrated on the Mexican side of the US border and in a few rural areas
> > that are trafficking routes for the drug trade and that see very few
> > tourists. The fact that some parts of Mexico are unsafe, doesn't mean that
> > someone going to Mexico City on business, or to a resort in Cancun would
> > be
> > in danger.

>
>
> "Somehow your assurance does not make me want to go. I'll tell you
> what, Iceman, YOU go first, then post when you get back."
>
>
> I spent one month in Mexico in 2003. I went all over - Guadalajara, Mexico
> City, colonial towns, and a few beach areas. I was careful in Mexico City
> and Guadalajara at night, and took taxis when I had to. Granted, the drug
> violence wasn't as bad then, but I never felt unsafe. Many parts of Mexico
> are beautiful, and the people were very friendly. Mexico City is especially
> fascinating, and is loaded with historic sites, centuries-old buildings, and
> colorful markets.

I've been to mexico dozens of times from border to west coast and up and
down the Yucatan. Never once have i felt unsafe. I've rented cars and
driven off the beaten path and stayed in remote non tourist hotels.

Now the border is off my list as a good destination. The Yucatan I'm not
so sure about. I know college kids are discouraged from going to Cancun
and Playa for spring break. But I've never heard of any incidents. Just a
guess but if some coed ends up decapitated and on CNN the tourist
business will halt instantly.

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[Bea Foroni]

On Feb 10, 11:31 pm, popinjay999 <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> The U.S. State Department is recommending that Americans avoid travel
> to all or parts of 14 of 31 Mexican states in the widest travel
> advisory issued since Mexico stepped up its drug war in 2006.
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> The department advises against any nonessential travel in all of
> Chihuahua, Coahuila and Tamaulipas, which border the U.S, and in the
> central state of Durango, as well as sections of 10 other states.
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> http://tinyurl.com/89gws8n

The murder rate in Mexico is about four times higher than it is in the
USA. Scarey shit, huh? Now imagine you are an English, Canadian,
Australian, or New Zealander coming to the States, where the murder
rate is four times higher than at home. Scarey shit, huh?

[Iceman]

On Feb 13, 3:00 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
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I'd still go to the Yucatan or Mexico City but some of the colonial
towns are in the avoid zones. I'd probably still visit the colonial
towns cautiously, but not the border.

> I know college kids are discouraged from going to Cancun
> and Playa for spring break. But I've never heard of any incidents.

I assume that's more general anti-Mexico hysteria than any serious
threat of violence against tourists in those specific places.

> Just a guess but if some coed ends up decapitated and on CNN the tourist
> business will halt instantly.

Bali took years to recover from its bombing. I think even the Natalee
Holloway incident caused a big hit to Aruba tourism, even though it
was just one isolated incident.

[BTSinAustin]

On Feb 14 2012 12:38 AM, Iceman wrote:

> On Feb 13, 3:00 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
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I can only assume you don't get a lot of news out of mexico if you call it
" anti-Mexico hysteria".

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[Iceman]

"BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:35cq09x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...

> On Feb 14 2012 12:38 AM, Iceman wrote:
>> On Feb 13, 3:00 pm, "BTSinAustin" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>> > I've been to mexico dozens of times from border to west coast and up
>> > and
>> > down the Yucatan. Never once have i felt unsafe. I've rented cars and
>> > driven off the beaten path and stayed in remote non tourist hotels.
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>> I assume that's more general anti-Mexico hysteria than any serious
>> threat of violence against tourists in those specific places.
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> I can only assume you don't get a lot of news out of mexico if you call it
> " anti-Mexico hysteria".

In no way am I minimizing the severity of the drug violence, and Juarez and
some other places are among the most dangerous places in the world.

I am just saying that there is a huge difference between different parts of
Mexico as far as safety, and most of the large resorts are still safe to
visit. How many tourists visited Cancun last year (in 2010 it was 5.9
million), and how many of them were attacked (virtually none)?