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DELETETHIS
that said - the only seat at the Hard Rock in Biloxi today was in a 1-2
game
KK on the button and 5 limpers to me
since I have no clue - I bet $12 (raises were normally 10-15 with a few
$5 cold bets and lotsa limpers with no raise) and got 2 callers
BB was a decent player and cut off was new but seemed to be solid. I
have been showing down big hands every time I have been called and am up
about $200-- flop comes K 9 4 rainbow and checked to me
how much to bet now?
I tried $40 - is that anywhere near correct?
cut off called and his table talk and manners indicated he either had a
big hand like 99 or 44 or some kind of gut shot straight draw - he
called. so I decided he was on a draw since no raise and he commented
that if his card came he would be all in. turn came a 5 making 2
diamonds and he seemed to like the card a great deal - he has about $160
-- what should my bet be now?
I suppose it is one of the reasons i am so bad at this game - I really
have no idea how much to bet when he checks to me. Help me out here -
how much and most importantly - why
gtech1
no big deal. I don't really understnad why you think the guy is on a draw
on the flop, or why you think he'd like the 5 on the turn if he was on a
draw. But bottom line is you have the nuts, there's about 120 in the
pot, and nothing much for you to be worried about on the board. So bet
whatever you think he'll call.
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FangBanger
> I am the worst NL player on the planet (worst PL player in the universe)
> that said - the only seat at the Hard Rock in Biloxi today was in a 1-2
> game
>
> KK on the button and 5 limpers to me
> since I have no clue - I bet $12 (raises were normally 10-15 with a few
> $5 cold bets and lotsa limpers with no raise) and got 2 callers
> BB was a decent player and cut off was new but seemed to be solid. I
> have been showing down big hands every time I have been called and am up
> about $200-- flop comes K 9 4 rainbow and checked to me
>
> how much to bet now?
>
>
> I tried $40 - is that anywhere near correct?
> cut off called and his table talk and manners indicated he either had a
> big hand like 99 or 44 or some kind of gut shot straight draw -
LOL .how exactly do you verbally represent a set or a GS draw ?
Man .. and you wonder why I laugh at TVSMs
he
> called. so I decided he was on a draw since no raise and he commented
> that if his card came he would be all in. turn came a 5 making 2
> diamonds and he seemed to like the card a great deal - he has about $160
> -- what should my bet be now?
>
> I suppose it is one of the reasons i am so bad at this game - I really
> have no idea how much to bet when he checks to me. Help me out here -
> how much and most importantly - why
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brewmaster
Based on your chips and previous action to this point, I think I bet all
of it here.
Brew
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eldo77
> I am the worst NL player on the planet (worst PL player in the universe)
> that said - the only seat at the Hard Rock in Biloxi today was in a 1-2
> game
>
> KK on the button and 5 limpers to me
> since I have no clue - I bet $12 (raises were normally 10-15 with a few
> $5 cold bets and lotsa limpers with no raise) and got 2 callers
> BB was a decent player and cut off was new but seemed to be solid. I
> have been showing down big hands every time I have been called and am up
> about $200-- flop comes K 9 4 rainbow and checked to me
>
> how much to bet now?
You can't go wrong making a 3/4 to pot size bet.
>
>
> I tried $40 - is that anywhere near correct?
Perfect
> cut off called and his table talk and manners indicated he either had a
> big hand like 99 or 44 or some kind of gut shot straight draw - he
> called. so I decided he was on a draw since no raise and he commented
> that if his card came he would be all in. turn came a 5 making 2
> diamonds and he seemed to like the card a great deal - he has about $160
> -- what should my bet be now?
Another pot sized bet.If he has a set he'll come back over you, which is
what you want.If he has some other hand he might call. If he has a flush
draw now you want a call since he won't be getting the right price to do
so. Never let a free miracle card come off. If he doesn't call you pot
size bet be satisfied and move on.
I am not the greatest player in the world but I am ahead for the year and
I play 1/3 NL live games 5 days a week.
A good way to play these size games is to make all your bets close to pot
size.
eldo77.
>
> I suppose it is one of the reasons i am so bad at this game - I really
> have no idea how much to bet when he checks to me. Help me out here -
> how much and most importantly - why
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Will_gamble
the pot is about $100 and he has 160 left, I plan on trying to take $50
here and another $50 on the river. If he has a set, he will push at the
end and you will get it all anyway.
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Will in New Haven
wrote:
> I am the worst NL player on the planet (worst PL player in the universe)
> that said - the only seat at the Hard Rock in Biloxi today was in a 1-2
> game
>
> KK on the button and 5 limpers to me
> since I have no clue - I bet $12 (raises were normally 10-15 with a few
> $5 cold bets and lotsa limpers with no raise)
I would make it ten plus two for each limper. So twenty. Of course,
stack sizes should influence bet sizes but I would make that raise
unless the stacks tended to be very tiny (or MY stack was very small)
If the stacks were thrity or forty dollars, I would just shove.
and got 2 callers
> BB was a decent player and cut off was new but seemed to be solid. I
> have been showing down big hands every time I have been called and am up
> about $200-- flop comes K 9 4 rainbow and checked to me
>
> how much to bet now?
Generally, you should be betting from half the pot to the full pot,
depending on how tenacious your opponents are and the texture of the
board. On a non-threatening board like that, you don't have to bet
more than half the pot but you should try to bet as much as will be
called.
> I tried $40 - is that anywhere near correct?
It's quite reasonable. It's a little more than necessary but the idea
is to bet as much as will be called. And you got called.
> cut off called and his table talk and manners indicated he either had a
> big hand like 99 or 44 or some kind of gut shot straight draw - he
> called.
In other words, he had two cards in his hand.
so I decided he was on a draw since no raise and he commented
> that if his card came he would be all in.
turn came a 5 making 2
> diamonds and he seemed to like the card a great deal - he has about $160
> -- what should my bet be now?
Bet whatever he has left. There is no pot-relative bet you can make
now that won't commit all of his chips.
> I suppose it is one of the reasons i am so bad at this game - I really
> have no idea how much to bet when he checks to me. Help me out here -
> how much and most importantly - why
You bet enough so that it would be an error to call. However, you bet
small enough so that he will make that error, at least if he has
anything. Don't think "I bet too much" every time someone folds.
Sometimes your opponent has nothing and doesn't want to give you
money. Short-sighted of him, I know, but that's the way it is.
Two-thirds of the pot is a good "default" amount if you can't
reconcile the factors and come to a more exact amount.
–
Will in New Haven
I have seen things you people wouldn’t believe.
Players taking forever, staring people down; in a two-four limit game.
I've seen a bracelet glimmer on a whale asking for a stake.
All this money will be gone like chips in rake.
Time to fold.
BillB
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It depends. Can we get back to politics now?
pokertank.us
wrote:
I think $12 is a good bet against 2 limpers at a fairly conservative
table. I would probably bet about 3/4rd pot on the flop. No real
scare cards, and if one of the limpers hit, you will get paid off as
much as with a pot size or bigger bet. In the unlikely chance they
hit a baby set, they will reraise, which is exactly what you want...
If he's a solid player like you indicated, i don't see him on a draw.
Either way, there's enough in the pot, so I would go ahead and put him
allin. Whether he calls with a back door draw, or actually does have
a baby set, you are looking great either way. Obviously, we all get
sucked out on hands like this, but in the long run, these are the
hands that make a good player profitable month in and month out.
- Hank
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CincinnatiKid
The correct bet would be around $100 here. Since he has $160 if he's going
to play he's gonna shove or fold if he has any sense at all. The only
cards I'm marginally scared of on the river are a T,J,Q, or A. We can rule
out TT, JJ, QQ, and AA since he limped and AA is the only hand that would
beat us if he hit. His most likely holding is KQ, QJ, and TJ....maybe
sooted for the flush draw. If he has 44 or 99 than he's shoving after our
bet on the turn and he's drawing dead to a one outer. Since this is live
and not on Stars we should be golden.
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Raider Fan
>
> The correct bet would be around $100 here.
What's up Cincy?
> Since this is live
> and not on Stars we should be golden.
So AQ beating QQ and AQ beating AK in the ME final table shouldn't happen?
Will_gamble
> On Nov 10 2008 6:30 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> >
> > The correct bet would be around $100 here.
>
> What's up Cincy?
>
Reminds me of a country dog that leaves the house for weeks at a time and
shows up just long enough to rest up and fatten up, then gone again.
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John_Brian_K
That is fine
> cut off called and his table talk and manners indicated he either had a
> big hand like 99 or 44 or some kind of gut shot straight draw - he
> called. so I decided he was on a draw since no raise and he commented
> that if his card came he would be all in. turn came a 5 making 2
> diamonds and he seemed to like the card a great deal - he has about $160
> -- what should my bet be now?
He has a set and has you firmly on AK and thinks his stupid table talk has
YOU thinking he is weak.
> I suppose it is one of the reasons i am so bad at this game - I really
> have no idea how much to bet when he checks to me. Help me out here -
> how much and most importantly - why
Go all in and watch him snap call with his 99 and look disgusted when he
sees your hand. He is not drawing and wants his stack in. You have the
nuts. Push.
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CincinnatiKid
> On Nov 10 2008 6:30 AM, CincinnatiKid wrote:
>
> >
> > The correct bet would be around $100 here.
>
> What's up Cincy?
>
> > Since this is live
> > and not on Stars we should be golden.
>
> So AQ beating QQ and AQ beating AK in the ME final table shouldn't happen?
I tuned into the live audio broadcast on bluffmagazine.com yesterday for
about 10 minutes....
Flopped set of 7's obviously loses to AQ runner runner straight.
CincinnatiKid
Unfortunately, you, myself, or anybody else doesn't possess the ability to
put an opponent on an exact hand. That's why you assign a range....Shoving
here makes zero sense because if he has a set then he's coming over the
top anyways. Maximize value.
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YYZ
wrote:
First off, you should probably raise more before the flop; the more
limpers you face the more you should raise. In most loose $1/2 NL
games some players will call unreasonably large pre flop raises with
poor hands. In very loose games, worry more about getting out flopped
than on loosing action with a big raise. In a very loose game with
multiple limpers raise it to $25-30 before the flop. In a tigherter
more reasonalbe game $12 in on the low side of acceptable. $40 is a
good flop bet for the size of the pot and stacks; considering the
board (rainbow & uncoordinated) you could slowplay here with smaller
stacks. Never slowplay with a suited or coordinated board, ie vs a
possible drawing hand. $40 is good because it grows the pot big enuff
for you to get your whole stack in by the river while making
reasonably sized (ie callable) bets (in relation to the pot size)
along the way. If you bet small, or don't bet the flop at all you
don't have as good of a chance to get your opponent all in by the
river, since you would then have to make over-sized bets the rest of
the way. However since the board is relativly non threatening (your
only worry is a possible gutshot hitting) you could bet a wee bit
less, say $30 on the flop to help induce a call. What you want to do
is make a bet that's in line with your normal flop sized bet, so
consistantly betting 3/4 -1&1/4 size of the pot pays off when you hit
a monster. On the turn make another large bet, remembering that your
goal is to get your opponents whole stack in w/o blowing him off his
hand. Since he has $160 you could bet roughly half his stack up to
about $120. In these situations I sometimes like to ask the dealer to
spread the chips around so that I can count the pot, ie I want the
villian to know there's ~$120 in the pot so that he will call an $80
or $100 bet. Obviously you'll be putting him all in on the river no
matter what hits so you don't want to have much left to put in in case
the villain hits a miracle. The "why" of bet sizing with a big hand
like top set often boils down to the task of getting the effective
stack (smaller of the competing stacks) all in by the river, while
making reasonable sized (callable) bets (in relation to the pot size)
along the way. With multiple flop callers there are other
considerations, such as betting half the size of a short stack to get
him to push, allowing you to trap callers in between. You seemed to
have played the hand well, the only adjustments I'd recommed are a
larger Pre Flop raise (again considering the tendency of your
opponents, ie loose or tight, and with just 2 callers $12 seems to be
good here) and perhaps a bit smaller bet on the flop (considering the
non threatening board). Note that had you made a larger PF raise to
$20 and gotten 2 callers, a $40 bet would then be a smaller bet
relative to the pot size. Seriously, if you want some good advice I'd
recommend searching for RGP posts on NL Hold'em by GCA / Russ G. Just
search for "GCA NL" on RGP