OT: Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage
ramashiva
Obama. Here is the San Francisco Chronicle article. My comments
follow --
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/01/MN8J11I731.DTL
Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage
John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer
Wednesday, July 2, 2008
(07-01) 19:35 PDT -- Gay rights moved to the forefront of the
presidential campaign Tuesday after Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's
announcement that he opposes a November ballot measure that would ban
same-sex marriage in California.
In a letter to San Francisco's Alice B. Toklas Lesbian Gay Bisexual
Transgender Democratic Club, the presumptive presidential nominee said
he opposed "the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the
California Constitution" and similar efforts in other states.
Obama's position on Proposition 8 was announced at a club event Sunday
after a move by Arizona Sen. John McCain, the expected GOP standard-
bearer in November, who last week told officials of Protect Marriage,
a coalition that gathered 1.1 million signatures for the California
measure, that he backs their efforts "to recognize marriage as a
unique institution between a man and a woman."
For both campaigns, the decision to get involved in the same-sex
marriage debate carries political risks.
California is one of three states with same-sex marriage bans on the
November ballot. While the state is seen as Obama country, and Arizona
is McCain's home state, Florida, the third state seeking to limit
marriage to a man and a woman, is a swing state that will be a major
prize in the November election.
Obama is skating gingerly past his previous position on the issue.
The Illinois senator has said repeatedly that he believes marriage
should be only between man and a woman. When the California Supreme
Court overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage in May, Obama
released a carefully nuanced statement saying he respected the court's
decision, believed states should make their own decisions on marriage
and "will continue to fight for civil unions as president."
But civil unions, gay activists argue, aren't the same as marriage,
and they say his earlier stance would put Obama on the wrong side of
what's increasingly seen as a civil rights issue.
Support welcomed
Groups opposing Prop. 8, which would amend the state Constitution to
say that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or
recognized in California," were excited to have Obama on their side
and more than willing to overlook his mixed record on the same-sex
marriage issue.
"It's great to see Sen. Obama's statement, which is consistent with
what he has said in the past about allowing each state to make its own
decision," said Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality for All,
which is heading the Prop. 8 opposition. "Is it ideal that he doesn't
support same-sex marriage? No. But it's important when political
leaders say gay and lesbian couples should be treated equally."
Still, the Obama campaign didn't go out of its way to announce the
senator's position on a controversial California ballot measure that
will have repercussions across the nation. Instead of a splashy public
endorsement ceremony, complete with beaming supporters of same-sex
marriage, Obama announced his support midway in his letter, which was
read at the club's annual breakfast.
That didn't bother Julius Turman, co-chairman of the club.
"I was thrilled to see the senator step up to the plate and say how he
feels about discrimination," he said. And while Obama might personally
oppose same-sex marriage, Turman said the candidate "is well on the
way to being educated."
But Prop. 8 supporters accused Obama of trying to have it both ways by
coming out publicly against same-sex marriage, but opposing any
efforts to ban those unions.
"His position makes very little sense," said Brian Brown, executive
director of the National Organization for Marriage, California. "If
he's opposed (to same-sex marriage), he should just say so. Instead,
he's trying to appease the wealthy elite who support gay marriage."
It's no surprise to see McCain on the side of the same-sex marriage
ban. While he opposed a GOP-backed federal constitutional amendment to
ban same-sex marriage in 2004, he supported a failed 2006 Arizona
initiative that would have blocked domestic partnerships as well as
same-sex marriages.
Both Obama and McCain have called for individual states to decide how
to handle same-sex marriage, and the November elections will show
where voters in those three states stand.
Early polls show that while the Prop. 8 race is likely to be a close
contest in California, many of the young and liberal voters who back
Obama are strongly opposed to the same-sex marriage ban. But those
groups of voters don't have nearly as much clout elsewhere in the
nation. A CBS poll taken early in June showed that only about 30
percent of American voters favored legalizing marriage for same-sex
couples.
A single loss
Only one of the more than two dozen state ballot measures banning same-
sex marriage has ever lost, and that was the 2006 Arizona measure that
also would have eliminated domestic partner benefits in the state.
But while the same-sex marriage question will come up during the fall
campaign, experts don't believe it will have the same effect as it did
in 2004, when politicians like California Sen. Dianne Feinstein
suggested that San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom's open door to same-
sex marriage might have cost Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry the
presidency.
Nationwide, the country's economic woes and the war in Iraq are likely
to play much more of a role than same-sex marriage in the November
election, said Bruce Cain, a UC Berkeley political science professor.
"Obama's position (on same-sex marriage) can be used against him in a
few states, like Ohio and Pennsylvania," Cain said. "But same-sex
marriage is unlikely to have anything like the impact it did in 2004
since issues like the economy and the war will provide him with a lot
more cover than Kerry had."
Ballot measures
Text of measures to amend state constitutions:
California: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or
recognized in California."
Arizona: "Only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or
recognized as a marriage in this state."
Florida: "Inasmuch as a marriage is the legal union of only one man
and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is
treated as marriage ... shall be valid."
E-mail John Wildermuth at jwild...@sfchronicle.com.
As I said, this is one of about 500 reasons why I cannot vote for
Saint Obama. Fuck the God Damn faggots. Fuck anyone who supports
legalizing same sex marriage. The reality is that faggots and
lesbians are only about 2% of the adult population. Why should their
agenda even come up?
Another reason I cannot support Obama is that he is a Marxist gun
grabber. And he lied in one of the debates about his previous
position on gun control. He denied that his handwriting was on a
questionaire submitted by his campaign which stated he favored a
federal ban on handguns.
That is still another reason why I cannot support Obama. Both he and
his wife are pathological liars. This lie about his previous strong
support of gun control is just one of many lies he has told in this
campaign. If you do a little Googling, you will find long lists of
documented lies he has told.
Still another reason I cannot support Obama is that his judgement
regarding people with whom he associates is terrible. Here are just
some of the scumbags with whom no decent person would associate --
Jeremiah Wright
William Ayers
Michelle Obama
Samantha Power
Richard Daley
James Hoffa
I cannot believe that I am going to vote for a Republican for
President for the first time in my life. I don't like McCain's
positions on the Iraq War, tax policy, or abortion. But I agree with
McCain on gun control, same sex marriage, and free trade.
If McCain is smart and selects Colin Powell as his running mate, I
believe he will crush Saint Obama in November. The one thing that
would prevent me from voting for McCain is if he picks Condi Rice as
his VP. I simply cannot stomach that lying incompetent bitch.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Paul Popinjay
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<snip excellent post>
>
> If McCain is smart and selects Colin Powell as his running mate, I
> believe he will crush Saint Obama in November. The one thing that
> would prevent me from voting for McCain is if he picks Condi Rice as
> his VP. I simply cannot stomach that lying incompetent bitch.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
>
Thank you for your excellent post, and welcome back to RGP.
As you know, I am a rightwing nutcase and would never vote for Obama.
HOWEVER, seriously, Ramashiva, part of me feels like I would like to see
Obama win just so I can hear Limbaughesque phonies like Fl Turbo, Joe Long,
and Bub, whine and whine and whine. I'm serious! What has Bush got to do
to this country before people like Fl Turbo, Joe Long, and Bub, wake up and
smell the treason? BUSH IS DRIVING OUR COUNTRY OVER A CLIFF! And still,
after 8 years of this DISASTER, people like Fl Turbo, Joe Long, and Bub,
REFUSE to take Bush's cock out of their mouthes. It's disgusting! And that
is one reason I would like to see Obama win. Just to hear them whine and
snivel.
-Paul Popinjay
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>And still,
>after 8 years of this DISASTER, people like Fl Turbo, Joe Long, and Bub,
>REFUSE to take Bush's cock out of their mouthes.
That's because Turbo and Long are partisans... while bub is simply a
gay man.
> It's disgusting!
WORD.
ramashiva
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "ramashiva" <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Well, I don't think that how these three submorons would react is a
valid reason for wanting Obama to win. What these three clueless
clowns think about anything is supremely irrelevant. I strongly
prefer Obama's positions on the Iraq War and tax policy. Normally, I
would vote for him, despite my disagreements on gun control and same
sex marriage.
I cannot vote for Obama because of his pathological lying and
extremely poor judgement in choice of associates. I forgot to mention
Tony Rezko as another example of scumbags with whom he has associated.
Obama's positions on gun control and same sex marriage irritate the
fuck out of me, and, combined with his lying and poor judgement, are
enough to make me vote for McCain.
I am not a big fan of John McCain. I used to like the guy, despite
his extreme conservatism, back when he opposed the Bush tax cuts. Now
he has flip flopped on the tax issue, and has become a whacked out
warmonger.
My vote for McCain will be similar to Will Reich's vote for Kerry in
2004. I just cannot support my party's nominee.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Paul Popinjay
Well, I don't think that how these three submorons would react is a
valid reason for wanting Obama to win. What these three clueless
clowns think about anything is supremely irrelevant. I strongly
prefer Obama's positions on the Iraq War and tax policy. Normally, I
would vote for him, despite my disagreements on gun control and same
sex marriage.
I cannot vote for Obama because of his pathological lying and
extremely poor judgement in choice of associates. I forgot to mention
Tony Rezko as another example of scumbags with whom he has associated.
Obama's positions on gun control and same sex marriage irritate the
fuck out of me, and, combined with his lying and poor judgement, are
enough to make me vote for McCain.
I am not a big fan of John McCain. I used to like the guy, despite
his extreme conservatism, back when he opposed the Bush tax cuts. Now
he has flip flopped on the tax issue, and has become a whacked out
warmonger.
My vote for McCain will be similar to Will Reich's vote for Kerry in
2004. I just cannot support my party's nominee.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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Ramashiva,
Maybe you do not fully appreciate the situation that I have to deal with
day-to-day. Please don't underestimate what I am trying to say because I
really mean this. I really do! As you know, I am a rightwing republican.
It only makes sense then that I hang out with mostly republican types in my
personal life and my day-to-day business life. Trust me, I do not spend any
recreational time hiking in the wilderness with hairy-legged women from the
Sierra Club. No, I run mostly with my fellow republicans. But Ramashiva, I
kid you not. THEY ARE MAKING ME SICK! I personally detest my fellow
republicans who are blind to the damage that is coming from our own side of
the aisle. I am SICK of these red-state hicks who think somehow that if
they ride around in pick-up trucks with NRA bumper stickers and listening to
Rush Limbaugh on the radio that that makes them more patriotic than the
liberals. BUT IT IS THEIR FUCKING FAULT THAT OUR COUNTRY IS IN THE TROUBLE
THAT IT IS IN! It is the STUPIDITY of my fellow republicans, the ones who
still would jump over a puddle of pig slop to defend their beloved Bush
despite all that Bush has done in the last 8 years to ruin our country.
WHAT HAS HE GOT TO DO BEFORE THEY WAKE UP! Does he have to actually grow a
small mustache, comb his hair sideways, and goosestep on the Sean Hannity
Show with a swastika armband?
Seriously! I am fed up to HERE with not just Fl Turbo, Joe Long, and Bub,
but the many many republicans that I meet in real life away from RGP. You
are right, these three submorons are irrelevant in the grand scheme of
things. Speaking of submorons, let's not leave Da Pickle out of this. But
they represent a very real problem in this country. A VERY real problem.
And that problem is that too many of my fellow republicans are just plain
stupid. I am pulling my hair out!
-Paul Popinjay
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> Does he have to actually grow a
>small mustache, comb his hair sideways, and goosestep on the Sean Hannity
>Show with a swastika armband?
I'm pretty sure Turbo, Long and bub would need more than that...
Paul Popinjay
news:msbn64dnr608042jq...@4ax.com...
Sadly, you may be correct.
I'll tellya, back in the early 80s, when I was an enthusiatic young
republican, having finally developed the sense to abandon my Marxist
teachings from earlier years, I thought there was indeed much hope for our
country and I was caught up in what seemed an energetic momentum amongst the
conservative types in this country. I then watched with my jaw dropped to
the ground and in horror as supposed conservative Ronald Reagan ran up an
alarming amount of red ink that made Jimmy Carter and the Democrats look
like fiscal conservatives. Don't get me started. But now, that was almost
30 years ago, and I am a lot wiser and older now, and I AM FRUSTRATED! I am
frustrated, with MY FELLOW REPUBLICANS! It seems that they will follow just
any old potential dictator as long as there is an R by his name. They will
follow him right over the cliff like lemmings. That's fine, for them. But
I have to live here too! And I don't want to jump off a cliff with them.
FUCK BUSH! And FUCK MC CAIN!
BLANK IN 2008!
-Paul Popinjay
ramashiva
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> "ramashiva" <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
Well, I am having the same problem with many of my fellow Democrats.
I used to think Republicans had a monopoly on lying and stupidity. No
more.
My posting and reading on Daily Kos during the primary season were
quite an eyeopener. As you know, I strongly supported Hillary during
the primary, and I think it is a great tragedy for this country that
she is not the Democratic nominee. I think she would have been the
smartest and most qualified Democratic candidate since Adlai
Stevenson.
During the primary, Daily Kos was completely taken over by fanatical
Obama supporters, whom I call Obamatons. These people are some of the
stupidest, rudest, and most dishonest people I have ever encountered.
If you read Daily Kos, I am referring to posters like geekesque,
icebergslim, and thereisnospoon.
These Obamatons are unfuckingbelievable. They had a poll on Daily
Kos, and 60% favored a federal ban on semiautomatic handguns!!!
In a diary about whether Obama is a closet Marxist, several posters
lamented that it's too bad he's not!!!
Talk about Marxist gungrabbers.
I am pretty much alienated from the Democratic Party. Needless to
say, I cannot tolerate the Republican Party.
I guess I am a man without a party at this point. Despite some
disagreements, primarily about economic policy, the Libertarian Party
most accurately reflects my views.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
ChrisRobin
Wow. While in the past I've given you much respect for your thoughtfulness
and reasoning ability, this regression into petty tribalism ("Our nominee
sucks, so I'll get revenge on those dumb Democrats!") is about as
pointless as it gets. How about just sitting this one out?
Welcome back, I hope your mental faculties return soon. All the best.
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ramashiva
Go suck an egg, Chris. I am not doing this to get revenge on the
Democrats. I spelled out my objections to Obama in my OP. But of
course you ignored my substantive points. Let me spell it out for
you.
Obama is a pathological liar. If you question this, I will bury you
with links to many examples of documented lies by Obama.
He has extremely poor judgement about people. Jeremiah Wright. Tony
Rezko. William Ayers. Samantha Power. Michelle Obama. Richard
Daley. James Hoffa.
He is a gungrabbing Marxist, and has lied about his previous position
on gun control.
> Welcome back, I hope your mental faculties return soon. All the best.
My mental faculties have never been better.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Paul Popinjay
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>
> Wow. While in the past I've given you much respect for your thoughtfulness
> and reasoning ability, this regression into petty tribalism ("Our nominee
> sucks, so I'll get revenge on those dumb Democrats!") is about as
> pointless as it gets. How about just sitting this one out?
>
> Welcome back, I hope your mental faculties return soon. All the best.
>
Y'know, yesterday you took sides with Wuzzy against me and the both of you
were making your little jokes and antagonizing me. I don't know if
Ramashiva realizes what I have had to put up with on this newsgroup since
he's been gone. What the fuck is your problem, Chris? It's been months and
months and months since Ramashiva posted, and you're giving him shit? And
Election Day is fast coming up on us! What are you trying to do? What if
Ramashiva justs says "fuck this shit". Chris, I don't think I like your
attitude. You're usually polite and respectful. Are you having some
personal problems or something?
-PP
ChrisRobin
> On Jul 2, 10:44 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Jul 2 2008 12:08 PM, ramashiva wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > > On Jul 2, 6:39 am, "Paul Popinjay"
> > > <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > "ramashiva" <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
> >
> > >
>news:798e802e-dd33-4f53...@z16g2000prn.googlegroups.com....
No, I did not ignore your substantive points, I agree with them.
> Obama is a pathological liar. If you question this, I will bury you
> with links to many examples of documented lies by Obama.
I do not doubt this. Although you have no trouble throwing your full
support behind Hillary, another pathologial liar, I do agree that Obama is
not what he purports to be, and the unquestioning adoration for him is
disturbing.
> He has extremely poor judgement about people. Jeremiah Wright. Tony
> Rezko. William Ayers. Samantha Power. Michelle Obama. Richard
> Daley. James Hoffa.
Agreed, but I don't know if this is really as a big a deal as has been
made out. Every politican that aspires to the Presidency will have made
plenty of dubious relationships on the way. It's just the nature of the
position, occupational hazard and all that. I think we should be
inherently suspicious of ANYONE who aspires to that kind of political
power.
> He is a gungrabbing Marxist, and has lied about his previous position
> on gun control.
Not to mention many other things, such as public campaign financing, FISA,
the list goes on...
> > Welcome back, I hope your mental faculties return soon. All the best.
>
> My mental faculties have never been better.
William, that was not meant as an attack, but your reasoning here seems
horribly flawed. I understand why you won't vote for Obama. I won't
either. What I don't understand is how translates into a vote for McCain,
an even bigger liar and a self-proclaimed warmonger to boot. Why not a
third-party candidate? Why not just abstain altogether? If this election
is important enough to take seriously (which personally I don't, but
that's another subject entirely), why play into the whole braindead,
two-party tribalism of the whole thing? I dunno, it seems self-defeating.
Seriously, welcome back – and I do mean that sincerely.
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ramashiva
> > > Wow. While in the past I've given you much respect for your thoughtfulness
> > > and reasoning ability, this regression into petty tribalism ("Our nominee
> > > sucks, so I'll get revenge on those dumb Democrats!") is about as
> > > pointless as it gets. How about just sitting this one out?
>
> > Go suck an egg, Chris. I am not doing this to get revenge on the
> > Democrats. I spelled out my objections to Obama in my OP. But of
> > course you ignored my substantive points. Let me spell it out for
> > you.
>
> No, I did not ignore your substantive points, I agree with them.
>
> > Obama is a pathological liar. If you question this, I will bury you
> > with links to many examples of documented lies by Obama.
>
> I do not doubt this. Although you have no trouble throwing your full
> support behind Hillary, another pathologial liar,
I cannot agree with that. Yes, she lied about being under sniper fire
in Bosnia. Or was it Kosovo? Other than that, can you give me other
examples of Hillary's lies that justify calling her a pathological
liar?
> I do agree that Obama is not what he purports to be, and the unquestioning adoration for him is disturbing.
It is downright scary. If you showed the typical Obamaton a video of
Obama assfucking a dog, the reaction would be --
Wait a minute. How do we know that isn't a midget in a dog suit?
> > He has extremely poor judgement about people. Jeremiah Wright. Tony
> > Rezko. William Ayers. Samantha Power. Michelle Obama. Richard
> > Daley. James Hoffa.
>
> Agreed, but I don't know if this is really as a big a deal as has been
> made out. Every politican that aspires to the Presidency will have made
> plenty of dubious relationships on the way. It's just the nature of the
> position, occupational hazard and all that. I think we should be
> inherently suspicious of ANYONE who aspires to that kind of political
> power.
The reason Obama's poor judgement is important is that he would
probably make disasterous cabinet appointments. Example -- Samantha
Power, who is, or was, the Democratic equivalent of Condi Rice.
Hyperintelligent. Hypereducated. Totally clueless. Until Samantha
called Hillary a monster, she was Obama's senior foreign policy
advisor, in line to be National Security Advisor or Secretary of
State. She still might land one of these jobs if Obama is elected.
> > He is a gungrabbing Marxist, and has lied about his previous position
> > on gun control.
>
> Not to mention many other things, such as public campaign financing, FISA,
> the list goes on...
>
> > > Welcome back, I hope your mental faculties return soon. All the best.
>
> > My mental faculties have never been better.
>
> William, that was not meant as an attack, but your reasoning here seems
> horribly flawed. I understand why you won't vote for Obama. I won't
> either. What I don't understand is how translates into a vote for McCain,
> an even bigger liar and a self-proclaimed warmonger to boot.
I cannot agree that McCain is a bigger liar than Obama. Compared to
Obama, McCain is an exemplar of honesty and integrity.
Yes, McCain is a misguided warmonger. That, and now supporting the
Bush tax cuts when he previously opposed them, are the two things
which turn me off the most about McCain. As I said previously, My
vote for McCain will be similar to Will Reich's vote for Kerry in
2004.
> Why not a third-party candidate?
If there were a viable third-party candidate, like Ross Perot was in
1992 and 1996, I would vote for him as long as he wasn't a right-wing
whackjob.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
Irish Mike
"ChrisRobin" <a9d...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
ChrisRobin wrote:
"I understand why you won't vote for Obama. I won't either. "
Excuse me bucko, but I'm finding it extremely hard to believe that a left
wing liberal like you isn't voting for Obama. In fact, I figured you were
in that pile of brainless twits that faints at his feet when he does his
stage show.
Irish Mike
ChrisRobin
I love you, Paul Popinjay.
There, feel better? I thought so.
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thepixelfreak
> This is one of about 500 reasons why I just cannot vote for Barack
> Obama. Here is the San Francisco Chronicle article. My comments
> follow --
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/01/MN8J11I731.DTL
>
>
> Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage
> John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer
Why are you people so opposed to gays getting married? I personally
can't give a flying fuck one way or the other. Seems like every
conservative is FOAMING at the mouth about the issue. 'Sanctity of
Marriage' and all that bullshit. Obviously way too much time on your
hands. I guess that can come from deifying non-existent ghosts in the
sky or whatever.
There are MUCH more pressing issues to be concerned about. Ignorant
fucking fools.. What about the homeless? The Starving RIGHT HERE IN THE
GOOD OLD USA? Oh, nope, can't go down that SOCIALIST path. Only fucking
concerned about your WALLET and making sure nobody else is having a
good time.
--
thepixelfreak
Paul Popinjay
news:2008070212414575249-not@dotcom...
>
> Why are you people so opposed to gays getting married? I personally can't
> give a flying fuck one way or the other. Seems like every conservative is
> FOAMING at the mouth about the issue. 'Sanctity of Marriage' and all that
> bullshit. Obviously way too much time on your hands.
Why are you talking about conservatives foaming at the mouth? Obviously you
don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Ramashiva is not a
conservative. But he is a decent man and of high enough moral character in
the eyes of God to know that men fucking other men in the ass is going to
get us all in a lot of hot water. I don't know about you, but if God starts
raining down fire and brimstones because the limp-wristed, ass-fucking,
HIV-infected, flaming faggots cannot control themselves, well then I don't
want to be around and get hit with any of the brimstones. Besides, I just
washed my car.
-PP
ramashiva
> On 2008-07-02 03:47:32 -0700, ramashiva <ramash...@earthlink.net> said:
>
> > This is one of about 500 reasons why I just cannot vote for Barack
> > Obama. Here is the San Francisco Chronicle article. My comments
> > follow --
>
>
> > Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage
> > John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer
>
> Why are you people so opposed to gays getting married?
This subject has been endlessly debated on RGP. If you want my views,
you can search RGP with Google.
> I personally can't give a flying fuck one way or the other.
I don't care whether they get married. What I care about is the state
sanctioning the marriages, resulting in same sex marriage couples
receiving literally thousands of government benefits. This is why
same sex marriage is a legitimate topic for political debate.
> Seems like every
> conservative is FOAMING at the mouth about the issue. 'Sanctity of
> Marriage' and all that bullshit. Obviously way too much time on your
> hands. I guess that can come from deifying non-existent ghosts in the
> sky or whatever.
Another blasphemous, clueless atheist. Did it ever occur to you that
you could be wrong? Why do you feel the need to denigrate the
religious views of others?
> There are MUCH more pressing issues to be concerned about.
Agreed. So why does the Democratic Party insist on adopting the gay
rights agenda, when faggots and lesbians are about 2% of the adult
population? Supporting legalizing same sex marriage alienates a large
religious voter base which would otherwise vote Democratic. If the
Democratic Party would stop its handwringing over gay rights and gun
control, the Republican Party would go out of business.
> Ignorant fucking fools.. What about the homeless?
Yes, it is a national disgrace that there are millions of homeless in
the richest country in the world.
> The Starving RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OLD USA?
No one is starving, unless they want to. You can go to any church,
food bank, or homeless shelter and get fed.
> Oh, nope, can't go down that SOCIALIST path. Only fucking
> concerned about your WALLET and making sure nobody else is having a
> good time.
I hope you are not addressing me personally, because I am a liberal
Democrat with impeccable credentials.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
ChrisRobin
Given that I've directly told you on several different occasions that I do
not support Obama, it's still not surprising that you haven't figured it
out. As demonstrated by your continual regurgitation of misinformation and
outright lies EVEN AFTER they have been thoroughly debunked, it's quite
clear that your capacity for learning is on par with single-celled
organisms.
I say that, of course, with all due respect to single-celled organisms.
____________________________________________________________________
WuzYoungOnceToo
>
> Why are you talking about conservatives foaming at the mouth? Obviously you
> don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Ramashiva is not a
> conservative. But he is a decent man and of high enough moral character in
> the eyes of God to know that men fucking other men in the ass is going to
> get us all in a lot of hot water.
When did you get a jacuzzi?
-------
Paul Popinjay
news:8g4tj5x...@recgroups.com...
> On Jul 2 2008 2:56 PM, Paul Popinjay wrote:
>>
>> Why are you talking about conservatives foaming at the mouth? Obviously
>> you
>> don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Ramashiva is not a
>> conservative. But he is a decent man and of high enough moral character
>> in
>> the eyes of God to know that men fucking other men in the ass is going to
>> get us all in a lot of hot water.
>
> When did you get a jacuzzi?
>
I hope Ramashiva reads this. I want Ramashiva to know about all the shit I
have to deal with on this newsgroup since he has been away.
By the way, I also want Ramashiva to know that sometimes we call you Floyd
now. I don't remember how you got the name, but if he sees us talking about
Floyd then he will know it is you, Wuzzy.
-PP
thepixelfreak
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> said:
> I don't know about you, but if God starts
> raining down fire and brimstones because the limp-wristed, ass-fucking,
> HIV-infected, flaming faggots cannot control themselves, well then I don't
> want to be around and get hit with any of the brimstones
Don't go holding your breath for that buddy. Better chance of earth in
it's entirety being blasted into little bits by the Vogons.
http://hitchhikers.wikia.com/wiki/Vogons
--
thepixelfreak
thepixelfreak
> This subject has been endlessly debated on RGP. If you want my views,
> you can search RGP with Google.
I guess that means the subject has been resolved.
>
>> I personally can't give a flying fuck one way or the other.
>
> I don't care whether they get married. What I care about is the state
> sanctioning the marriages, resulting in same sex marriage couples
> receiving literally thousands of government benefits. This is why
> same sex marriage is a legitimate topic for political debate.
So different sex couples are the privileged majority that get the
benefits while the rug-munchers and turd burglars are second class
citizens not worthy of those same rights (and limitations by the way).
If that is the case then ANY state sanctioning of Marriage is
DISCRIMINATORY. Failure to see it as such is a flaw in logic.
>
>> Seems like every
>> conservative is FOAMING at the mouth about the issue. 'Sanctity of
>> Marriage' and all that bullshit. Obviously way too much time on your
>> hands. I guess that can come from deifying non-existent ghosts in the
>> sky or whatever.
>
>
> Another blasphemous, clueless atheist. Did it ever occur to you that
> you could be wrong?
I bet it *never* occurred to you that *you* could be wrong, eh?
> Why do you feel the need to denigrate the
> religious views of others?
Because Religion is at the heart of 90% of this squabble.
>
>> There are MUCH more pressing issues to be concerned about.
>
> Agreed. So why does the Democratic Party insist on adopting the gay
> rights agenda, when faggots and lesbians are about 2% of the adult
> population?
So why get so bent out of shape over such a small portion of the
population? Hell, 2% is within the rounding error.
> Supporting legalizing same sex marriage alienates a large
> religious voter base which would otherwise vote Democratic. If the
> Democratic Party would stop its handwringing over gay rights and gun
> control, the Republican Party would go out of business.
I find this somewhat specious. There are plenty of other issues for the
Republicans to misunderstand and push for.
>
>
>> Ignorant fucking fools.. What about the homeless?
>
> Yes, it is a national disgrace that there are millions of homeless in
> the richest country in the world.
>
>> The Starving RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OLD USA?
>
> No one is starving, unless they want to. You can go to any church,
> food bank, or homeless shelter and get fed.
You are correct. But 38 million Americans are considered 'Food insecure'.
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5023829
>
>> Oh, nope, can't go down that SOCIALIST path. Only fucking
>> concerned about your WALLET and making sure nobody else is having a
>> good time.
>
> I hope you are not addressing me personally, because I am a liberal
> Democrat with impeccable credentials.
I am addressing a fallacious mindset and a self perpetuating
group-think, not an individual. But more to the point, where'd you get
these 'Impeccable' credentials? RGP? DNC? I'd Love to hear about these
'credentials'.
--
thepixelfreak
OrangeSFO
> I cannot believe that I am going to vote for a Republican for
> President for the first time in my life.
No you won't.
Irish Mike
"ChrisRobin" <a9d...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
And with all due respect to the bull shit you just posted, you're a liberal
and you do support Obama. And when he raises taxes, reduces jobs, increases
big government, welfare, entitlement and give away programs and weakens
national security you'll be at the head of the line of left wing loons
defending him.
Irish Mike
Travel A
thread!?
James L. Hankins
"OrangeSFO" <intang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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I dunno. That didn't sound like flippant bluster from Willie. I'm a solid
Democrat and I'm not entirely sold on Obama. Willie's beef seemed to be
more about the character of the persons with whom Obama has surrounded
himself. Although I think there's something to it, it's not a dealbreaker
for me. They all pretty much are surrounded by scumbags. I'm with Obama on
almost all the social issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.)
My biggest beef with Obama is his nutso stance on guns and, to a lesser
extent, the way he seems to try to convince me that more Government is a
good thing that can solve our problems.
OrangeSFO
> And with all due respect to the bull shit you just posted, you're a liberal
> and you do support Obama. And when he raises taxes, reduces jobs, increases
> big government, welfare, entitlement and give away programs and weakens
> national security ...
Too late...Bush already did all these things
ChrisRobin
LMFAO! I couldn't possibly have illustrated my point any better than you
just did. You're not exactly the sharpest tack, bucko.
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risky biz
> > > Given that I've directly told you on several different occasions that I
do
> > > not support Obama, it's still not surprising that you haven't figured it
> > > out. As demonstrated by your continual regurgitation of misinformation
and
> > > outright lies EVEN AFTER they have been thoroughly debunked, it's quite
> > > clear that your capacity for learning is on par with single-celled
> > > organisms.
> > >
> > > I say that, of course, with all due respect to single-celled organisms.
> >
Is there such a thing as an Energizer single-celled organism?
------
risky biz
> On 2008-07-02 03:47:32 -0700, ramashiva <rama...@earthlink.net> said:
>
> > This is one of about 500 reasons why I just cannot vote for Barack
> > Obama. Here is the San Francisco Chronicle article. My comments
> > follow --
> >
> > http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/01/MN8J11I731.DTL
> >
> >
> > Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage
> > John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer
>
> Why are you people so opposed to gays getting married? I personally
> can't give a flying fuck one way or the other. Seems like every
> conservative is FOAMING at the mouth about the issue. 'Sanctity of
> Marriage' and all that bullshit. Obviously way too much time on your
> hands. I guess that can come from deifying non-existent ghosts in the
> sky or whatever.
They're frightened at the thought of one of the specified subclasses
escaping from their box of designated undesirables. It makes their
carefully constructed world seem completely out of their control.
>
> There are MUCH more pressing issues to be concerned about. Ignorant
> fucking fools.. What about the homeless? The Starving RIGHT HERE IN THE
> GOOD OLD USA? Oh, nope, can't go down that SOCIALIST path. Only fucking
> concerned about your WALLET and making sure nobody else is having a
> good time.
> --
>
> thepixelfreak
---
ramashiva
> "OrangeSFO" <intangible...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>
> news:0b615b4c-7aae-43e0...@z32g2000prh.googlegroups.com...
>
> > On Jul 2, 3:47 am, ramashiva <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
> >> I cannot believe that I am going to vote for a Republican for
> >> President for the first time in my life.
>
> > No you won't.
>
> I dunno. That didn't sound like flippant bluster from Willie. I'm a solid
> Democrat and I'm not entirely sold on Obama. Willie's beef seemed to be
> more about the character of the persons with whom Obama has surrounded
> himself. Although I think there's something to it, it's not a dealbreaker
> for me. They all pretty much are surrounded by scumbags. I'm with Obama on
> almost all the social issues (abortion, gay marriage, etc.)
It isn't just his judgement about people, James, although that is
important. I worry about the kind of cabinet appointments he would
make. For example, as Obama's senior foreign policy advisor, Samantha
Power was in line to be National Security Advisor or Secretary of
State until she called Hillary a monster. Just like Condi Rice,
despite being extremely intelligent and very well educated, Power is
clueless about how the world actually works. She would be a disaster
in a senior administrative position.
More importantly, Obama is a pathological liar, and this is well
documented. For example, he lied in one of the primary debates about
whether his handwriting was on a questionaire submitted by his
campaign stating that he favored a federal ban on handguns.
When the Jeremiah Wright flap came down, he lied about being present
when Wright made controversial anti-American remarks.
He made a pretty definite committment to accept public financing in
the general election if the Republican nominee did likewise. Because
he has a huge fundraising advantage over McCain, he has weaseled out
of that committment.
Just Google [Obama lies] and you will get many links of examples of
Obama's mendacity. Snopes has debunked some of these claims, but not
nearly all of them.
I agree with Obama on most issues. His positions on same sex marriage
and gun control are simply unacceptable to me.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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On Jul 2, 3:47�am, ramashiva <ramash...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> This is one of about 500 reasons why I just cannot vote for Barack
> Obama. �Here is the San Francisco Chronicle article. �My comments
> follow --
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/01/MN8J11I73...
>
> Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage
> John Wildermuth, Chronicle Staff Writer
>
> Wednesday, July 2, 2008
>
> (07-01) 19:35 PDT -- Gay rights moved to the forefront of the
> presidential campaign Tuesday after Democratic Sen. Barack Obama's
> announcement that he opposes a November ballot measure that would ban
> same-sex marriage in California.
>
> In a letter to San Francisco's Alice B. Toklas Lesbian Gay Bisexual
> Transgender Democratic Club, the presumptive presidential nominee said
> he opposed "the divisive and discriminatory efforts to amend the
> California Constitution" and similar efforts in other states.
>
> Obama's position on Proposition 8 was announced at a club event Sunday
> after a move by Arizona Sen. John McCain, the expected GOP standard-
> bearer in November, who last week told officials of Protect Marriage,
> a coalition that gathered 1.1 million signatures for the California
> measure, that he backs their efforts "to recognize marriage as a
> unique institution between a man and a woman."
>
> For both campaigns, the decision to get involved in the same-sex
> marriage debate carries political risks.
>
> California is one of three states with same-sex marriage bans on the
> November ballot. While the state is seen as Obama country, and Arizona
> is McCain's home state, Florida, the third state seeking to limit
> marriage to a man and a woman, is a swing state that will be a major
> prize in the November election.
>
> Obama is skating gingerly past his previous position on the issue.
>
> The Illinois senator has said repeatedly that he believes marriage
> should be only between man and a woman. When the California Supreme
> Court overturned the state's ban on same-sex marriage in May, Obama
> released a carefully nuanced statement saying he respected the court's
> decision, believed states should make their own decisions on marriage
> and "will continue to fight for civil unions as president."
>
> But civil unions, gay activists argue, aren't the same as marriage,
> and they say his earlier stance would put Obama on the wrong side of
> what's increasingly seen as a civil rights issue.
>
> Support welcomed
> Groups opposing Prop. 8, which would amend the state Constitution to
> say that "only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or
> recognized in California," were excited to have Obama on their side
> and more than willing to overlook his mixed record on the same-sex
> marriage issue.
>
> "It's great to see Sen. Obama's statement, which is consistent with
> what he has said in the past about allowing each state to make its own
> decision," said Geoff Kors, executive director of Equality for All,
> which is heading the Prop. 8 opposition. "Is it ideal that he doesn't
> support same-sex marriage? No. But it's important when political
> leaders say gay and lesbian couples should be treated equally."
>
> Still, the Obama campaign didn't go out of its way to announce the
> senator's position on a controversial California ballot measure that
> will have repercussions across the nation. Instead of a splashy public
> endorsement ceremony, complete with beaming supporters of same-sex
> marriage, Obama announced his support midway in his letter, which was
> read at the club's annual breakfast.
>
> That didn't bother Julius Turman, co-chairman of the club.
>
> "I was thrilled to see the senator step up to the plate and say how he
> feels about discrimination," he said. And while Obama might personally
> oppose same-sex marriage, Turman said the candidate "is well on the
> way to being educated."
>
> But Prop. 8 supporters accused Obama of trying to have it both ways by
> coming out publicly against same-sex marriage, but opposing any
> efforts to ban those unions.
>
> "His position makes very little sense," said Brian Brown, executive
> director of the National Organization for Marriage, California. "If
> he's opposed (to same-sex marriage), he should just say so. Instead,
> he's trying to appease the wealthy elite who support gay marriage."
>
> It's no surprise to see McCain on the side of the same-sex marriage
> ban. While he opposed a GOP-backed federal constitutional amendment to
> ban same-sex marriage in 2004, he supported a failed 2006 Arizona
> initiative that would have blocked domestic partnerships as well as
> same-sex marriages.
>
> Both Obama and McCain have called for individual states to decide how
> to handle same-sex marriage, and the November elections will show
> where voters in those three states stand.
>
> Early polls show that while the Prop. 8 race is likely to be a close
> contest in California, many of the young and liberal voters who back
> Obama are strongly opposed to the same-sex marriage ban. But those
> groups of voters don't have nearly as much clout elsewhere in the
> nation. A CBS poll taken early in June showed that only about 30
> percent of American voters favored legalizing marriage for same-sex
> couples.
>
> A single loss
> Only one of the more than two dozen state ballot measures banning same-
> sex marriage has ever lost, and that was the 2006 Arizona measure that
> also would have eliminated domestic partner benefits in the state.
>
> But while the same-sex marriage question will come up during the fall
> campaign, experts don't believe it will have the same effect as it did
> in 2004, when politicians like California Sen. Dianne Feinstein
> suggested that San Francisco Mayor Gavin Newsom's open door to same-
> sex marriage might have cost Massachusetts Sen. John Kerry the
> presidency.
>
> Nationwide, the country's economic woes and the war in Iraq are likely
> to play much more of a role than same-sex marriage in the November
> election, said Bruce Cain, a UC Berkeley political science professor.
>
> "Obama's position (on same-sex marriage) can be used against him in a
> few states, like Ohio and Pennsylvania," Cain said. "But same-sex
> marriage is unlikely to have anything like the impact it did in 2004
> since issues like the economy and the war will provide him with a lot
> more cover than Kerry had."
>
> Ballot measures
> Text of measures to amend state constitutions:
>
> California: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or
> recognized in California."
>
> Arizona: "Only a union of one man and one woman shall be valid or
> recognized as a marriage in this state."
>
> Florida: "Inasmuch as a marriage is the legal union of only one man
> and one woman as husband and wife, no other legal union that is
> treated as marriage ... shall be valid."
>
> E-mail John Wildermuth at jwilderm...@sfchronicle.com.
>
> As I said, this is one of about 500 reasons why I cannot vote for
> Saint Obama. �Fuck the God Damn faggots. �Fuck anyone who supports
> legalizing same sex marriage. �The reality is that faggots and
> lesbians are only about 2% of the adult population. �Why should their
> agenda even come up?
>
> Another reason I cannot support Obama is that he is a Marxist gun
> grabber. �And he lied in one of the debates about his previous
> position on gun control. �He denied that his handwriting was on a
> questionaire submitted by his campaign which stated he favored a
> federal ban on handguns.
>
> That is still another reason why I cannot support Obama. �Both he and
> his wife are pathological liars. �This lie about his previous strong
> support of gun control is just one of many lies he has told in this
> campaign. �If you do a little Googling, you will find long lists of
> documented lies he has told.
>
> Still another reason I cannot support Obama is that his judgement
> regarding people with whom he associates is terrible. �Here are just
> some of the scumbags with whom no decent person would associate --
>
> Jeremiah Wright
>
> William Ayers
>
> Michelle Obama
>
> Samantha Power
>
> Richard Daley
>
> James Hoffa
>
> I cannot believe that I am going to vote for a Republican for
> President for the first time in my life. �I don't like McCain's
> positions on the Iraq War, tax policy, or abortion. �But I agree with
> McCain on gun control, same sex marriage, and free trade.
ramashiva
> On 2008-07-02 12:58:26 -0700, ramashiva <ramash...@earthlink.net> said:
>
> > This subject has been endlessly debated on RGP. If you want my views,
> > you can search RGP with Google.
>
> I guess that means the subject has been resolved.
I didn't say that. Don't impute positions to me that I don't hold.
That is called strawman argumentation, a sure sign of a weak mind.
What I am saying is that I have repeatedly and at great length
explained my justifications for opposing same sex marriage. Don't
expect me to explain my thinking to you because you are too lazy to
use Google.
> >> I personally can't give a flying fuck one way or the other.
>
> > I don't care whether they get married. What I care about is the state
> > sanctioning the marriages, resulting in same sex marriage couples
> > receiving literally thousands of government benefits. This is why
> > same sex marriage is a legitimate topic for political debate.
>
> So different sex couples are the privileged majority that get the
> benefits while the rug-munchers and turd burglars are second class
> citizens not worthy of those same rights (and limitations by the way).
That is complete and utter bullshit. Apparently you don't understand
that same sex marriages have not been legal for thousands of years in
Western culture. Just because homosexuals claim they have the right
to marry someone of the same sex, that doesn't mean they do. Show me
in the Constitution where same sex marriages are legitimized.
Otherwise, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
> If that is the case then ANY state sanctioning of Marriage is
> DISCRIMINATORY.
No it isn't. More complete and utter bullshit.
> Failure to see it as such is a flaw in logic.
Logic and you are obvious strangers. Just because someone doesn't
agree with you, that doesn't mean their logic is flawed.
> >> Seems like every
> >> conservative is FOAMING at the mouth about the issue. 'Sanctity of
> >> Marriage' and all that bullshit. Obviously way too much time on your
> >> hands. I guess that can come from deifying non-existent ghosts in the
> >> sky or whatever.
>
> > Another blasphemous, clueless atheist. Did it ever occur to you that
> > you could be wrong?
>
> I bet it *never* occurred to you that *you* could be wrong, eh?
Since I was an Atheist for most of my adult life, it has obviously
occurred to me. You, on the other hand, are 100% convinced you are
right about everything. Again, a sign of a weak mind.
> > Why do you feel the need to denigrate the
> > religious views of others?
>
> Because Religion is at the heart of 90% of this squabble.
Just because most opponents of same sex marriage are motivated by
their religious beliefs, that doesn't mean those beliefs are wrong, or
that you are justified in your juvenile mocking of the religious
beliefs of others.
> >> There are MUCH more pressing issues to be concerned about.
>
> > Agreed. So why does the Democratic Party insist on adopting the gay
> > rights agenda, when faggots and lesbians are about 2% of the adult
> > population?
>
> So why get so bent out of shape over such a small portion of the
> population? Hell, 2% is within the rounding error.
Exactly. Why should the Democratic Party pay any attention at all to
the gay rights agenda? What are they going to do, vote Republican?
> > Supporting legalizing same sex marriage alienates a large
> > religious voter base which would otherwise vote Democratic. If the
> > Democratic Party would stop its handwringing over gay rights and gun
> > control, the Republican Party would go out of business.
>
> I find this somewhat specious. There are plenty of other issues for the
> Republicans to misunderstand and push for.
You really are clueless, aren't you? The issues of same sex marriage
and gun control have cost the Democrats millions of votes in recent
elections.
> >> Ignorant fucking fools.. What about the homeless?
>
> > Yes, it is a national disgrace that there are millions of homeless in
> > the richest country in the world.
>
> >> The Starving RIGHT HERE IN THE GOOD OLD USA?
>
> > No one is starving, unless they want to. You can go to any church,
> > food bank, or homeless shelter and get fed.
>
> You are correct. But 38 million Americans are considered 'Food insecure'.
>
> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5023829
Being food insecure is not the same thing as starving, which is what
you claimed.
> >> Oh, nope, can't go down that SOCIALIST path. Only fucking
> >> concerned about your WALLET and making sure nobody else is having a
> >> good time.
>
> > I hope you are not addressing me personally, because I am a liberal
> > Democrat with impeccable credentials.
>
> I am addressing a fallacious mindset and a self perpetuating
> group-think, not an individual. But more to the point, where'd you get
> these 'Impeccable' credentials? RGP? DNC? I'd Love to hear about these
> 'credentials'.
You really are an obnoxious little twerp, aren't you? Liberals like
you give all liberals a bad name.
Listen. I am a veteran poster with thousands of posts. You are a
clueless n00bie. If you doubt I am a liberal Democrat, just Google
RGP for [ramashiva] and read some of my political posts.
But for your edification, you should know that I campaigned door to
door for JFK in 1960. I shook his hand at a campaign rally in
Phoenix.
I have been a registered Democrat all my adult life. I have always
voted a straight Democratic ticket in every election.
Recently, I was a phone bank volunteer for Hillary here in Las Vegas.
My position on same sex marriage is the same as Howard Dean, John
Kerry, and John Edwards, who all oppose legalizing same sex marriage.
I guess these Democrats don't meet your standards of liberal purity.
Now go the fuck away and leave me the fuck alone.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
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On Jul 2 2008 7:47 AM, ramashiva wrote:
> This is one of about 500 reasons why I just cannot vote for Barack
> Obama. Here is the San Francisco Chronicle article. My comments
> follow --
>
> http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/07/01/MN8J11I731.DTL
> E-mail John Wildermuth at jwild...@sfchronicle.com.
------
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> but if God starts
>raining down fire and brimstones because the limp-wristed, ass-fucking,
>HIV-infected, flaming faggots cannot control themselves, well then I don't
>want to be around and get hit with any of the brimstones.
This is the kinda bosh that makes me embarrassed to be you, Pau.
(psssst: civil unions)
Paul Popinjay
news:5suo64hii9tj0bvm9...@4ax.com...
>
> This is the kinda bosh that makes me embarrassed to be you, Pau.
>
I'm having seconds thoughts as to whether you are really me or not. There
is NO fucking way I would use a word like "hebetudinous". I'm just not that
fucking literate.
-Pau
da pickle
>> This is the kinda bosh that makes me embarrassed to be you, Pau.
>>
>
> I'm having seconds thoughts as to whether you are really me or not. There
> is NO fucking way I would use a word like "hebetudinous". I'm just not
> that fucking literate.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snJYagxgx5U
Beldin the Sorcerer
"ramashiva" <rama...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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On Jul 2, 10:44 am, "ChrisRobin" <a9db...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Jul 2 2008 12:08 PM, ramashiva wrote:
>
> Welcome back, I hope your mental faculties return soon. All the best.
My mental faculties have never been better.
Alas, that's all too true.
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
<paupopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>I'm having seconds thoughts as to whether you are really me or not. There
>is NO fucking way I would use a word like "hebetudinous". I'm just not that
>fucking literate.
>
>-Pau
You *are* me, you preternatural, mercurial mooncalf !
Paul Popinjay
That's quite the vocabulary you have there. Faggot!
James L. Hankins
William Coleman (ramashiva)
______________________________________
Excellent points, especially about Samantha Powers. I have to come clean
and admit that I do not know a whole lot about Obama's staff.
Some of those "lies," such as the funding promise, Jeremiah Wright, fall, in
my mind at least, into the category of common campaign tactics in which all
politicians engage. When they are confronted with some fact or event that
will, if true, detract from their electability, they fudge on it or claim to
not remember or, in the case of Hillary and the "sniper fire" incident, just
make shit up hoping no one will catch it. Not to say that any of it is
acceptable, but most of Obama's statements fall into this "campaign speak"
category to me.
At this point, I'm double fucked. The two issues of concern to me at the
moment are guns and Iraq. Obama wants to take away all the guns and McCain
wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely and then invade Iran. What's a brother
to do?
I think the Supreme Court may have saved the day for me. Heller was a very
strong statement of a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and I think
even Obama would have a tough time making any headway on that front. Even
if he wanted to ban small arms completely, I don't think the Supreme Court
would let him do it.
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
>
>>I'm having seconds thoughts as to whether you are really me or not. There
>>is NO fucking way I would use a word like "hebetudinous". I'm just not
>>that fucking literate.
>>
>>-Pau
>
> You *are* me, you preternatural, mercurial mooncalf !
>That's quite the vocabulary you have there. Faggot!
Yeah, right...
We both know that at LAX they call _you_ "Paul the Stall" and *you're*
the assjack that went off and bought the jacuzzi.
Paul Popinjay
What the fuck is THIS shit? I use Outlook Express and it looks like you are
replying to your own post. Even Irish Mike ain't THAT hebetudinous.
da pickle
> At this point, I'm double fucked. The two issues of concern to me at the
> moment are guns and Iraq. Obama wants to take away all the guns and
> McCain wants to stay in Iraq indefinitely and then invade Iran. What's a
> brother to do?
>
> I think the Supreme Court may have saved the day for me. Heller was a
> very strong statement of a constitutional right to keep and bear arms and
> I think even Obama would have a tough time making any headway on that
> front. Even if he wanted to ban small arms completely, I don't think the
> Supreme Court would let him do it.
You are doomed on both counts, but for different reasons. Obama CAN do
something about the supreme court and what he will do will not help your
"gun" issue. Obama is NOT going to do anything about Iraq that would
possibly be what you think he should do.
Kyle T. Jones
>> Why not a third-party candidate?
>
> If there were a viable third-party candidate, like Ross Perot was in
> 1992 and 1996, I would vote for him as long as he wasn't a right-wing
> whackjob.
>
>
> William Coleman (ramashiva)
Vee doesn't have to be viable, as in having a chance to be elected,
William. Vee just has to grab enough votes to make the two major
parties, who have been locked into incredibly close Presidential
elections as of late, sit up, take notice, and say "Hmmm... which of vis
policies to we have to adopt to grab some of those votes next time!"
It's about all we can hope for at this point, in a Presidential
election, in terms of a third-party candidate.
Of course, I reserve the right to be wrong about that if someone truly
impressive steps up. I haven't seen any hint of that happening, though.
You?
Cheers.
Kyle T. Jones
>
> "I understand why you won't vote for Obama. I won't either. "
>
> Excuse me bucko, but I'm finding it extremely hard to believe that a left
> wing liberal like you isn't voting for Obama. In fact, I figured you were
> in that pile of brainless twits that faints at his feet when he does his
> stage show.
>
> Irish Mike
>
>
>
I suspect that what you find hard to believe is that some aren't locked
into that same kind of pathetic "Anyone but <insert whoever the (D)s run
here>!!!" mentality with you.
Cheers.
Kyle T. Jones
Have you ever heard the scathing, ridiculing tone he uses when he talks
about our "Money culture" and our horrible "pursuit of expensive suits,
and cars"?
Caught that when he was giving some speech at a University a month or so
back. Really caught my ear, ya know?
Like, it isn't what you say sometimes, it's the way you say it. This
was a double case, though. Didn't like what he was saying, didn't like
how he was saying it.
I'll be happy to ditch the money culture <and I'm reasonably sure, if
humans are around long enough, we will> once they've upped the tech to
the point of providing abundance for all.
I don't think we're really that close, yet. Obama isn't talking in
those terms, I think.
Anyhow.
Cheers.
ramashiva
wrote:
At this point, Chuck Hagel would be the only possibility I could think
of. He is a conservative Republican, but he has shown a lot of
political courage in taking a strong stance against the Iraq War. If
he could find a liberal Democrat with some stature and name
recognition to be his running mate on a unity ticket, he would
definitely get my vote.
William Coleman (ramashiva)
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>What the fuck is THIS shit? I use Outlook Express and it looks like you are
>replying to your own post. Even Irish Mike ain't THAT hebetudinous.
Got you to say "hebetudinous"... didn't I, Popinpuppet!
Paul Popinjay
Robert told me to ignore you.
POOF! You're not there anymore.
Clave
news:iFhck.4436$np7....@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
Can ramashiva and his big throbbing IQ still see him?
Jim
Travel A
Re: OT: Obama opposes proposed ban on gay marriage
Group: rec.gambling.poker
Date: Mon, Jul 7, 2008, 12:52am
From: mcway <michael...@gmail.com>
"it would be difficult for anyone to do as much damage to US culture and
to our collective lives...."
.......................................................................
It would be difficult for you to be any more of a boring douchebag. Your
posts are the dumbest babblings imaginable.
thepixelfreak
> On Jul 2, 2:17 pm, thepixelfreak <n...@dot.com> wrote:
>> On 2008-07-02 12:58:26 -0700, ramashiva <ramash...@earthlink.net> said:
>>
>>> This subject has been endlessly debated on RGP. If you want my views
> ,
>>> you can search RGP with Google.
I'd rather pull my own teeth.
>>
>> I guess that means the subject has been resolved.
>
> I didn't say that. Don't impute positions to me that I don't hold.
> That is called strawman argumentation, a sure sign of a weak mind.
Oh no. Not another pompous asshole that spent way too much time in
debate class. Here we go.
>>
>> So different sex couples are the privileged majority that get the
>> benefits while the rug-munchers and turd burglars are second class
>> citizens not worthy of those same rights (and limitations by the way).
>
> That is complete and utter bullshit. Apparently you don't understand
> that same sex marriages have not been legal for thousands of years in
> Western culture.
Yup, and because it hasn't been legal for thousands of years make it
correct. Brilliant.
> Just because homosexuals claim they have the right
> to marry someone of the same sex, that doesn't mean they do. Show me
> in the Constitution where same sex marriages are legitimized.
Show ME where opposite sex marriage is mentioned or legitimized in the
constitution you uppity ignorant little fuckwad.
> Otherwise, sit the fuck down and shut the fuck up.
No, you shut the fuck up. I think Alzheimer's is getting the better of you.
>
>> If that is the case then ANY state sanctioning of Marriage is
>> DISCRIMINATORY.
>
> No it isn't. More complete and utter bullshit.
Neurons miss-firing again? Nice answer. Meaningless, answer-less rhetoric..
>
>> Failure to see it as such is a flaw in logic.
>
> Logic and you are obvious strangers. Just because someone doesn't
> agree with you, that doesn't mean their logic is flawed.
You don't understand logic. It's not a question of agreement.
> Since I was an Atheist for most of my adult life, it has obviously
> occurred to me. You, on the other hand, are 100% convinced you are
> right about everything. Again, a sign of a weak mind.
Again with this weak mind shit. Get a grip buddy. Sorry about your
failed mid-life crisis 30 years ago. And so glad you've been re-born.
Atheism doesn't need petulant, impudent, ignorant little fucks with
feeble brain cells giving us a bad name.
>
>>> Why do you feel the need to denigrate the
>>> religious views of others?
>>
>> Because Religion is at the heart of 90% of this squabble.
>
> Just because most opponents of same sex marriage are motivated by
> their religious beliefs, that doesn't mean those beliefs are wrong, or
> that you are justified in your juvenile mocking of the religious
> beliefs of others.
So you are suggesting your (and others) religious beliefs be imposed on
everyone. Very selfish. There is a separation of church and state
(Read U.S. government). Check Article VI and the First amendment to the
Constitution of the United States.
>
>>>> There are MUCH more pressing issues to be concerned about.
>>
>>> Agreed. So why does the Democratic Party insist on adopting the gay
>>> rights agenda, when faggots and lesbians are about 2% of the adult
>>> population?
>>
>> So why get so bent out of shape over such a small portion of the
>> population? Hell, 2% is within the rounding error.
>
> Exactly. Why should the Democratic Party pay any attention at all to
> the gay rights agenda? What are they going to do, vote Republican?
>
>>> Supporting legalizing same sex marriage alienates a large
>>> religious voter base which would otherwise vote Democratic. If the
>>> Democratic Party would stop its handwringing over gay rights and gun
>>> control, the Republican Party would go out of business.
>>
>> I find this somewhat specious. There are plenty of other issues for the
>> Republicans to misunderstand and push for.
>
> You really are clueless, aren't you? The issues of same sex marriage
> and gun control have cost the Democrats millions of votes in recent
> elections.
I think you have an attention deficit of some sort. You need to relax
on these two issues. You are throwing out the baby for the bath water.
Stay focused.
>>> No one is starving, unless they want to. You can go to any church,
>>> food bank, or homeless shelter and get fed.
>>
>> You are correct. But 38 million Americans are considered 'Food insecure'.
>>
>> http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=5023829
>
> Being food insecure is not the same thing as starving, which is what
> you claimed.
You didn't see the 'You are correct' above? Again, more attention deficit.
>>> I hope you are not addressing me personally, because I am a liberal
>>> Democrat with impeccable credentials.
>>
>> I am addressing a fallacious mindset and a self perpetuating
>> group-think, not an individual. But more to the point, where'd you get
>> these 'Impeccable' credentials? RGP? DNC? I'd Love to hear about these
>> 'credentials'.
>
> You really are an obnoxious little twerp, aren't you? Liberals like
> you give all liberals a bad name.
Sticks and stones. Turncoat.
>
> Listen. I am a veteran poster with thousands of posts. You are a
> clueless n00bie.
Ohh, I'm soooo impressed. I've coded applications following RFC 977
(See: NNTP) protocol. Call me a n00bie! I was programming NNTP back in
1988 on a PDP-11/70, just about the time you were fitted for your first
set of Depends(tm) and that bootleg prescription for Geritol(tm).
Difference between me and you (apart from about 30 years) is that I
don't place any mystical or otherwise over-inflated prestige to
newsgroup ranting.
> If you doubt I am a liberal Democrat, just Google
> RGP for [ramashiva] and read some of my political posts.
Again, I've got much better things to do with my time.
>
> But for your edification, you should know that I campaigned door to
> door for JFK in 1960. I shook his hand at a campaign rally in
> Phoenix.
Good for you.
>
> I have been a registered Democrat all my adult life. I have always
> voted a straight Democratic ticket in every election.
Until now. Traitor.
>
> Recently, I was a phone bank volunteer for Hillary here in Las Vegas.
Ah, disgruntled.
>
> My position on same sex marriage is the same as Howard Dean, John
> Kerry, and John Edwards, who all oppose legalizing same sex marriage.
> I guess these Democrats don't meet your standards of liberal purity.
YeeeeeeeeeeeeeHHaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaWWWWWWWWWWW...
>
> Now go the fuck away and leave me the fuck alone.
This is a public (unmoderated) place. Expect criticism. To that end,
Larry Wall invented a neat little feature common to most newsreaders
these days.. It's called the 'killfile'. Use it if you'd like so you
don't have to respond to a n00bie.
--
thepixelfreak
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
<paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>"K.T. Constanjuror88poet" <ktconstanj...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:kmn2745fh4bp6451l...@4ax.com...
>> Got you to say "hebetudinous"... didn't I, Popinpuppet!
>
>
>Robert told me to ignore you.
>
>POOF! You're not there anymore.
In reading your posts of late, I'm sensing you're really stressed &
frustrated, Pau.
C'mon... let's go watch some color T.V. !
K.T. Constanjuror88poet
<ClaviusNo...@cablespeed.com> wrote:
>"Paul Popinjay" <paulpopinjay[nospam]@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
>news:iFhck.4436$np7....@flpi149.ffdc.sbc.com...
>> Robert told me to ignore you.
>>
>> POOF! You're not there anymore.
>
>Can ramashiva and his big throbbing IQ still see him?
>
>Jim
>
He can, but only if he's wearing one of these: