WHO BUILT THAT POS SCHOOL IN OKLAHOMA ?

[halfpastdead]

Before this is over , I bet we find out that the school and its
construction are extremely suspect

Brick building like that , when built correctly can take more than that
*****************************************

I saw a bumper sticker about six months ago. It said: "Don't Mex with
Tejas".

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[VegasJerry]

The school was built before he code was changed.

[Tad Perry]

halfpastdead wrote:
> Before this is over , I bet we find out that the school and its
> construction are extremely suspect
>
> Brick building like that , when built correctly can take more than
> that *****************************************

Concrete reinforced with steel rebar can take even more than that. On the
island of Okinawa, often hit by several typhoons each and every year, all
modern homes are buiilt with concrete and reinforced rebar. None of them
ever get blown down or lose their roofs. They can take anything. Plus, the
homes can actually be quite attractive. If I lived in hurricane or tornado
territory, that's what I'd build with. People need to wise up and build for
the conditions at hand. Even if someone reading comes back at me saying:
"the code was improved," people shouldn't be building wooden structures in
those locations at all. Ever. Period.

tvp

[popinjay999]

On May 22, 8:05 pm, "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net> wrote:
****************************************
>
> Concrete reinforced with steel rebar can take even more than that. On the
> island of Okinawa, often hit by several typhoons each and every year, all
> modern homes are buiilt with concrete and reinforced rebar. None of them
> ever get blown down or lose their roofs. They can take anything. Plus, the
> homes can actually be quite attractive. If I lived in hurricane or tornado
> territory, that's what I'd build with. People need to wise up and build for
> the conditions at hand. Even if someone reading comes back at me saying:
> "the code was improved," people shouldn't be building wooden structures in
> those locations at all. Ever. Period.
>
> tvp

I was wondering about this myself, Tad. Can't they make buildings
that hold up under a tornado? You say they can. Then why the fuck
would anyone buy a flimsy house in Oklahoma?

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:baa0b221-f21d-4ad6...@k8g2000pbf.googlegroups.com...

Because they can't afford better, you fucking idiot.

Jim

[Bea Foroni]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:09:00 AM UTC-7, popinjay999 wrote:

>
>
> I was wondering about this myself, Tad. Can't they make buildings
>
> that hold up under a tornado? You say they can. Then why the fuck
>
> would anyone buy a flimsy house in Oklahoma?

Because less government is the best government. Who needs codes and inspectors? Who needs testers and engineers? Those are just job killing regulations. I'm sure, in the future we can trust the construction industry to make better, stronger buildings. And for the lowest priced bid.

[Firstname Lastname]

On Thursday, May 23, 2013 12:09:00 AM UTC-7, popinjay999 wrote:

> I was wondering about this myself, Tad. Can't they make buildings
>
> that hold up under a tornado? You say they can. Then why the fuck
>
> would anyone buy a flimsy house in Oklahoma?

I'm guessing people in Oklahoma don't have a lot of money.

[popinjay999]

On May 23, 3:28 pm, Bea Foroni <wilma6...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Because less government is the best government. Who needs codes and inspectors? Who needs testers and engineers? Those are just job killing regulations. I'm sure, in the future we can trust the construction industry to make better, stronger buildings. And for the lowest priced bid.

If you can't say something without your cutting sarcasm, maybe you
shouldn't say nothing at all.

[popinjay999]

On May 23, 11:08 pm, Vince <vi...@hush.ai> wrote:
> popinjay999 <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote innews:8f82f441-f91f-466b...@mq5g2000pbb.googlegroup
> s.com:

> Go to the whip, Paul. ;-)


I think Bea is a mudder.

[Mossingen]

"Firstname Lastname" wrote in message
news:fbaf2a51-acb2-4976...@googlegroups.com...

_________________________________



That's generally true. But, these morons are looking at a disaster that
occurred and then wondering after the fact why Oklahomans didn't prepare
better for it. I cold do the same with any event that resulted in a loss of
life in any state and ask the same question. I've lived here for 44 years
and have never seen a tornado. I live in north OKC, and when this latest
one hit I was standing outside to pretty much clear skies while the twister
was in Moore about 20 miles away.

If you really grasp the destruction here, the loss of life is astoundingly
low considering the destructive force of the tornado and where it hit. I
have a storm shelter at my house, but many do not. Shelters are important,
but the timing probably accounts for many of the deaths. Thunderstorms
happen here with regularity, but when one produces a tornado it happens very
fast. Often there is not much time (10-15 minutes) to avoid it if a person
is in its path. The local news goes nuts when tornadoes form, which is
irritating because they breathlessly drone on and on about it on every local
channel, but it does get the job done on warning people for the most part.

I think schools and other similar institutions should probably have
shelters, but in the normal course of business it's often difficult to
justify the expense.

[mo_ntresor]

On May 24 2013 8:50 AM, Mossingen wrote:

> That's generally true. But, these morons are looking at a disaster that
> occurred and then wondering after the fact why Oklahomans didn't prepare
> better for it. I cold do the same with any event that resulted in a loss of
> life in any state and ask the same question. I've lived here for 44 years
> and have never seen a tornado. I live in north OKC, and when this latest
> one hit I was standing outside to pretty much clear skies while the twister
> was in Moore about 20 miles away.
>
> If you really grasp the destruction here, the loss of life is astoundingly
> low considering the destructive force of the tornado and where it hit. I
> have a storm shelter at my house, but many do not. Shelters are important,
> but the timing probably accounts for many of the deaths. Thunderstorms
> happen here with regularity, but when one produces a tornado it happens very
> fast. Often there is not much time (10-15 minutes) to avoid it if a person
> is in its path. The local news goes nuts when tornadoes form, which is
> irritating because they breathlessly drone on and on about it on every local
> channel, but it does get the job done on warning people for the most part.
>
> I think schools and other similar institutions should probably have
> shelters, but in the normal course of business it's often difficult to
> justify the expense.

denominators still inhabit new orleans.

mo_ntresor

[mo_ntresor]

On May 24 2013 9:06 AM, mo_ntresor wrote:

> denominators still inhabit new orleans.

don't forget the real denominator infestation on san andreas.

mo_ntresor

[risky biz]

Why do you even bother chiming in with your stupid shit? If you don't have
anything intelligent to say why don't you just shut up and let people make
the mistaken assumption that you have some brain power?

[mo_ntresor]

On May 24 2013 9:16 AM, risky biz wrote:

> > > denominators still inhabit new orleans.
> >
> > don't forget the real denominator infestation on san andreas.
>

> Why do you even bother chiming in with your stupid shit? If you don't have
> anything intelligent to say why don't you just shut up and let people make
> the mistaken assumption that you have some brain power?

let me guess: old pension and healthcare grabber who lives in california
.. i contributed once, now give give give ME!

mo_ntresor

[risky biz]

On May 24 2013 8:22 AM, mo_ntresor wrote:

> On May 24 2013 9:16 AM, risky biz wrote:
>
> > > > denominators still inhabit new orleans.
> > >
> > > don't forget the real denominator infestation on san andreas.
> >
> > Why do you even bother chiming in with your stupid shit? If you don't have
> > anything intelligent to say why don't you just shut up and let people make
> > the mistaken assumption that you have some brain power?
>
> let me guess: old pension and healthcare grabber who lives in california

> ... i contributed once, now give give give ME!
>
> mo_ntresor

You didn't even bother with trying to defend your intelligence. LOL.

[Truthseeker]

On 5/23/13 1:09 AM, popinjay999 wrote:

> I was wondering about this myself, Tad. Can't they make buildings
> that hold up under a tornado? You say they can. Then why the fuck
> would anyone buy a flimsy house in Oklahoma?

Because if your house blows away, the insurance company will just build
you a new one. And you aren't insured, the government will build you a
new one.

BTW, even in Tornado Alley, the chances of YOUR house being hit during
your lifetime is quite small. The chance of anyone in your family
suffering serious injury or death from a tornado is minuscle.


--
Truthseeker

"On the Internet, no one knows you're a dog."

[mo_ntresor]

On May 24 2013 9:24 AM, risky biz wrote:

> You didn't even bother with trying to defend your intelligence. LOL.

add cost benefit of living situation to the list of things risky's pea
brain can't grasp.

mo_ntresor

[risky biz]

That is really coherent, numbskull. You sound like Jerry.

[mo_ntresor]

On May 24 2013 10:50 AM, risky biz wrote:

> That is really coherent, numbskull. You sound like Jerry.

i'd jump off a bridge if one of my posts made sense to you.

mo_ntresor

[Dutch]

I'd pay admission to watch that.

[mo_ntresor]

On May 24 2013 1:43 PM, Dutch wrote:

> I'd pay admission to watch that.

billb gonna spot you his bus money?

mo_ntresor

[Dutch]

I'll charter a bus and sell tickets. This could become the first
National RGP Holiday.

[Edward A. Falk]

In article <knk0qf$nn6$1...@dont-email.me>,

Tad Perry <tadp...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>Concrete reinforced with steel rebar can take even more than that. On the
>island of Okinawa, often hit by several typhoons each and every year, all
>modern homes are buiilt with concrete and reinforced rebar. None of them
>ever get blown down or lose their roofs. They can take anything. Plus, the
>homes can actually be quite attractive. If I lived in hurricane or tornado
>territory, that's what I'd build with. People need to wise up and build for

>the conditions at hand. ...

It's an issue of managed risk I expect. On Okinawa, they get several
typhoons every year, as you said, so you can pretty much count on any
given house needing to be able to withstand it.

Statistically speaking, an average home, even in Tornado Alley, has
a vanishingly small chance of actually being destroyed by a tornado.
This article:

http://www.flame.org/~cdoswell/tor_probs/vtornado_prob.html

gives a 1-in-ten-million chance. Other sources I found varied between
1:1000 and 1:150,000. That's probably per-year, so figure a house has
a 1% chance of being destroyed in 50 years.

Even the worst-case numbers don't justify spending a lot of money beefing
up a house for an event that probably won't ever happen.

Your money is far better spent on a shelter to protect your life, plus
insurance to cover the property damage.

Although, if I lived in Moore, OK, I might reconsider; they seem to be
having worse luck than other locations. But even then, cheaper to move
than to build a concrete-and-rebar house.

--
-Ed Falk, fa...@despams.r.us.com
http://thespamdiaries.blogspot.com/

[fffurken]

On May 24, 9:33 pm, Dutch <n...@email.com> wrote:

> >> I'd pay admission to watch that.
>
> > billb gonna spot you his bus money?
>
> > mo_ntresor
>
> I'll charter a bus and sell tickets. This could become the first
> National RGP Holiday.

I'll pay for the bunting, it's the least I can do.

[Pepe Papon]

So much for this lie of yours:

>> Seriously, what's wrong with you? Virtually every post you make has
>> the sole purpose of putting somebody down.
>
>not just "somebody", usually a cannuck idiot or you.
>
>mo_ntresor

What you really meant was, "not just somebody, usually a canuck, you,
fffurken, risky, Clave, Jerry, Opie, doggy, Bea, the entire city of
New Orleans, the entire black race, lawyers, Nobel Prize-winning
economists, everyone who votes for a Democrat, or anyone else who
disagrees with your politics or who thinks that one single number
doesn't say everything there is to say about the state of American
affairs.
--

Pepe Papon

[bub]

On Fri, 24 May 2013 21:46:05 -0700, Pepe Papon
<hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote:

>What you really meant was, "not just somebody, usually a canuck, you,
>fffurken, risky, Clave, Jerry, Opie, doggy, Bea, the entire city of
>New Orleans, the entire black race, lawyers, Nobel Prize-winning
>economists, everyone who votes for a Democrat, or anyone else who
>disagrees with your politics or who thinks that one single number
>doesn't say everything there is to say about the state of American
>affairs.
>--

thank god peepee is like kreskin and can tell you what you're
thinking

and whose quote is that and when did you close it?
pathetic

[mo_ntresor]

On May 25 2013 1:46 AM, bub wrote:

> >--
> thank god peepee is like kreskin and can tell you what you're
> thinking
>
> and whose quote is that and when did you close it?
> pathetic

the raging whiner called hyperbole / jopke a "lie".

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O42K4EwVssQ

mo_ntresor

[Mossingen]

"mo_ntresor" wrote in message news:m8c47ax...@news.ezprovider.com...

___________________________



Well, University of Chicago graduates still inhabit Chicago, even when they
know that violent street crime happens there all the time. If it happens to
you, someone here is going to wonder why you didn't move to avoid it.

[mo_ntresor]

On May 26 2013 5:26 PM, Mossingen wrote:

> denominators still inhabit new orleans.

__________________________

> Well, University of Chicago graduates still inhabit Chicago, even when they
> know that violent street crime happens there all the time. If it happens to
> you, someone here is going to wonder why you didn't move to avoid it.

the wife's family or i'd be west already.

mo_ntresor

[Tad Perry]

"Edward A. Falk" <fa...@rahul.net> wrote in message
news:knojtq$ebb$4...@blue-new.rahul.net...

All the discussion seems to assume that building with concrete and rebar is
much more expensive than building with wood. I thought concrete was
relatively inexpensive. It got me wondering: "Am I wrong about that?" Upon
Googling, I find that the building process is more expensive, but there are
factors that tend to even it out over time. One being that it won't be blown
away.

tvp

[popinjay999]

On May 29, 12:05 am, "Tad Perry" <tadpe...@comcast.net> wrote:

>
> All the discussion seems to assume that building with concrete and rebar is
> much more expensive than building with wood. I thought concrete was
> relatively inexpensive. It got me wondering: "Am I wrong about that?" Upon
> Googling, I find that the building process is more expensive, but there are
> factors that tend to even it out over time. One being that it won't be blown
> away.
>
> tvp

I don't know squat about building, but are you saying that if you have
a house made with concrete and rebar, then could you basically just
sit in it and thumb your nose at a tornado? Or are there storms so
powerful that you still might be at risk?

[Bea Foroni]

http://www.wisehomedesign.com/tornado-proof-home.html

One construction method has been shown to stand up to 250 mph winds, which provides you and your family with far more protection than conventional wood framing. That construction method is called ICF (insulating concrete forms).

ICF combines the strength of solid concrete walls with steel reinforcements within the concrete for incredible structural strength. ICF has become more and more popular, and the price has come down to equal that of wood frame construction (sometimes 1 to 8% more, depending on your area and the builder you choose).