My Godforsaken corner of the California desert

[brewmaster]

Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/

[brattt]

On Feb 3 2013 12:19 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/

Let's vote - live there or in a condo in Vancouver.

I'll take your godforsaken corner of the desert every time.


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On Dec. 18, 2012 | 2:03 AM, VegasJerry wrote:
To the editor:
I have been in the military, I've been a policeman, I have a concealed
weapon permit and I've carried a firearm for 40 years. As a result of
Friday's Connecticut school shooting, I am now willing to give up my guns
and rescind the Second Amendment to our Constitution.

[brewmaster]

On Feb 3 2013 11:40 AM, brattt wrote:

> On Feb 3 2013 12:19 PM, brewmaster wrote:
>
> > Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
> >
> >
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/
>
>
> Let's vote - live there or in a condo in Vancouver.
>
> I'll take your godforsaken corner of the desert every time.

Really? But Vancouver is the bestestest place ever to live EVER! All you
need is a 3 inch thick steel door, an assault rifle, and a moat, and you
are safe safe safe! I'm gonna move there as soon as I can get out of this
hellhole.

[Bill Vanek]

Could you do something about the weeds in the foreground? If it's just
too much to pull them, there's always photoshop.

[BillB]

On 03/02/2013 11:50 AM, brewmaster wrote:

>> Let's vote - live there or in a condo in Vancouver.
>>
>> I'll take your godforsaken corner of the desert every time.
>
> Really? But Vancouver is the bestestest place ever to live EVER! All you
> need is a 3 inch thick steel door, an assault rifle, and a moat, and you
> are safe safe safe! I'm gonna move there as soon as I can get out of this
> hellhole.

lol...very confused individuals.

"I think where I live now (Lake Elsinore) is the center of the meth
universe now. It's scary." brewmaster, May 27, 2012

"In my "godforsaken corner of the California desert" (Bill's words) I
don't even need to lock my doors." brewmaster, February 1, 2013

[BillB]

On 03/02/2013 10:19 AM, brewmaster wrote:

> Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/

They should hire you for a TV tourism promo.

"Hi, I'm brewmaster, a recovering addict and a proud Lake Elsinore
resident. I'd like to personally invite you and your family to come to
Lake Elsinore...the center of the meth universe. It's S-C-A-R-Y!"


Catchy, eh?

[BillB]

On 03/02/2013 11:40 AM, brattt wrote

> Let's vote - live there or in a condo in Vancouver.

lol...tough call.

[halfpastdead]

On Feb 3 2013 12:19 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/

I always liked driving to Elsinore .. View was awesome


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I saw a bumper sticker about six months ago. It said: "Don't Mex with
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[BillB]

On 03/02/2013 1:37 PM, halfpastdead wrote:

> I always liked driving to Elsinore

what about arriving? lol

[Follow]

On Feb 3 2013 11:19 AM, brewmaster wrote:

> Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>
>
http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/

I liked Lake Elsinore. I hope to go back very soon.



Follow :)

[Clave]

"brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/

My neck o'the woods: http://tinyurl.com/snovalley

Doesn't suck much at all.

Jim

[Alim Nassor]

On Feb 3, 12:19 pm, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> Took this photo from my front yard this morning.  I hate it here...
>

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-721576326...

Beautiful. Too bad it's in California.

[Alim Nassor]

On Feb 3, 4:24 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>
> news:abm2u9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
>
> > Took this photo from my front yard this morning.  I hate it here...
>

> >http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-721576326...

>
> My neck o'the woods:http://tinyurl.com/snovalley
>
> Doesn't suck much at all.
>
> Jim

Nope. Looks like a beautiful place to live.

[BillB]

The Google Images comparison test is always pretty accurate for
separating the men from the boys.

Pretty hard to beat your area in the US, imho.

[brattt]

On Feb 3 2013 4:50 PM, BillB wrote:


> Pretty hard to beat your area in the US, imho.

What? There isn't one highrise in sight. I would even venture to say
that people there get dirty and hike and do stuff like that.

[Clave]

"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
news:cRBPs.59267$1l4....@newsfe29.iad...

My commute into Redmond/Bellevue can run up to an hour, but over half of it
is without freeways or stoplights.

I know how lucky I am.

Jim

[BillB]

On 03/02/2013 3:26 PM, brattt wrote:
> On Feb 3 2013 4:50 PM, BillB wrote:
>
>
>> Pretty hard to beat your area in the US, imho.
>
>
> What? There isn't one highrise in sight.

He has easy access to Seattle, which is a fantastic city.

>I would even venture to say
> that people there get dirty and hike and do stuff like that.

Of course. Northwestern Washington and Southwestern British Columbia are
ALL about the healthy, adventure lifestyle. It's who we are. You didn't
know that?

[brattt]

do you ski?

[Clave]

"brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
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> On Feb 3 2013 4:24 PM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:abm2u9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
>> > Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>> >
>> >
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/
>>
>> My neck o'the woods: http://tinyurl.com/snovalley
>>
>> Doesn't suck much at all.
>>
>> Jim
>
>
> do you ski?

I did when we lived in Salt Lake City, but that was 20 years ago. Expensive
hobby.

Jim

[brattt]

aren't there really good ski resorts around you now? I think thats where
one of my buddies goes every winter.

Beautiful part of the country, and not quite the frigid temps of some
other ski resorts.

[Clave]

"brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

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> On Feb 3 2013 6:40 PM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:c3c3u9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
>> > On Feb 3 2013 4:24 PM, Clave wrote:
>> >
>> >> "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> >> news:abm2u9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
>> >> > Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >
> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/
>> >>
>> >> My neck o'the woods: http://tinyurl.com/snovalley
>> >>
>> >> Doesn't suck much at all.
>> >>
>> >> Jim
>> >
>> >
>> > do you ski?
>>
>> I did when we lived in Salt Lake City, but that was 20 years ago.
>> Expensive
>> hobby.
>>
>> Jim
>
>
> aren't there really good ski resorts around you now? I think thats where
> one of my buddies goes every winter.

You're probably thinking of Vancouver BC.

There are a half-dozen places I hear are meh-OK an hour or two away from
Seattle, but nothing world-class like Vancouver or SLC.

Jim

[BillB]

On 03/02/2013 5:54 PM, Clave wrote:

> You're probably thinking of Vancouver BC.
>
> There are a half-dozen places I hear are meh-OK an hour or two away from
> Seattle, but nothing world-class like Vancouver or SLC.

Don't sell yourself short. I learned to board on Baker and I've done
some ski touring around there. No shortage of fun at all! Lots of my
Whistler buddies *love* skiing in Washington. Whistler is great but the
glam ain't always what it's cracked up to be. It actually gets a little
tiresome after a while. Sometimes you just want to go skiing at an
old-time ski hill, like in the old days.

But ya, Vancouver has three different ski hills (Cypress, Grouse and
Seymour) basically right *in* the city, which is pretty awesome.

[popinjay999]

On Feb 3, 12:16 pm, BillB <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote:
> On 03/02/2013 11:50 AM, brewmaster wrote:

>
> "I think where I live now (Lake Elsinore) is the center of the meth
> universe now.  It's scary." brewmaster, May 27, 2012
>

Pretty sure Fresno is in the running.

[da pickle]

On Feb 3, 10:19 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> Took this photo from my front yard this morning.  I hate it here...
>

> http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-721576326...

Too bad you can't smell the stench in a photo. But you probably play
pan so you're stuck there.

[BillB]

I wasn't going to say anything, but they do call it Lake Smellsomemore.

[popinjay999]

On Feb 3, 7:47 pm, da pickle <jcpick...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Too bad you can't smell the stench in a photo. But you probably play
> pan so you're stuck there.

Bummer! Peckered at Lake Elsinore.

[da pickle]

You really are a sick insecure dork.

[poopiejay]

On Feb 3 2013 1:19 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> Took this photo from my front yard this morning. I hate it here...
>
>

http://www.flickr.com/photos/25748878@N06/8441098539/in/set-72157632677446039/

thats nice, brewmaster. its not lake tahoe but for socal, it pretty darn
nice. beats the heck out of a cookie cutter neighborhood. i think a rugged
canyon frontage would be nice as well out there.

[brewmaster]

Thanks, that's all I'm saying. For someone who unfortunately has to work
in a city, and I hate cities, I think this is pretty nice.

[brewmaster]

These people have to feel superior in all things at all times. The
concept of "live and let live" is just offensive to them.

[BillB]

On 03/02/2013 6:16 PM, BillB wrote:

> But ya, Vancouver has three different ski hills (Cypress, Grouse and
> Seymour) basically right *in* the city, which is pretty awesome.

http://cypressmountain.com/

http://www.grousemountain.com/

http://www.mountseymour.com/home


If you plan on visiting, all those ski areas are a short drive from
downtown Vancouver, giving you tons of luxury hotel options. Let me know
if you need a recommendation.

For truly world class resort skiing, Whistler is about a 2 hour drive
north on the incredibly scenic Sea to Sky Highway (Hwy.99). Don't forget
your wallet. $35 appetizers are not unheard of (which, for me, is a lot
-- maybe not if you are a foodie). For fine dining, I'd recommend Araxi
or Umberto's Il Caminetto in the Village. On the other end of the
spectrum, you can get a full course meal in the Village at the Spaghetti
Factory for 15 bucks. It's a good deal, but go at off-peak times.

[BillB]

On 04/02/2013 8:15 AM, brewmaster wrote:

> These people have to feel superior in all things at all times.

Are you talking about susan? She wanted to have a vote! lol

Actually, you were coming off as wanting to be a feel superior yourself,
with your rather obvious dig at Vancouver.

[mo_ntresor]

On Feb 4 2013 9:15 AM, brewmaster wrote:

> > You really are a sick insecure dork.
>
> These people have to feel superior in all things at all times. The
> concept of "live and let live" is just offensive to them.

isn't it hilarious? the world's full of totalitarian shits who are dying
to tell everybody how -- and here, WHERE -- to live.

mo_ntresor

[BillB]

On 04/02/2013 8:31 AM, mo_ntresor wrote:

> isn't it hilarious? the world's full of totalitarian shits who are dying
> to tell everybody how -- and here, WHERE -- to live.

Too bad nobody ever gave you any guidance. You ended up in war zone.

[BillB]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/16/chicago-homicide-rate-wor_n_1602692.html

What's that old saying? You reap what you sow?

[BillB]

On 04/02/2013 7:41 AM, brewmaster wrote:

> I hate cities

I thought we talked about this. Didn't I tell you to get out of Lake
Elsinore for your own good, long before you had to go into rehab?
I'm a little miffed you ignored my advice.

[da pickle]

Maybe BillBigot knows more about faux pickle than we thought.

Libertarians ... secretly and quietly trying to take over and leave you
alone.

[brewmaster]

Let me ask you seriously then, where do you recommend I go? My job is in
LA. I HATE LA. I like San Diego, which isn't far, so I could look for a
new job there, but the state government of CA is run by retards. I'd love
to live in Texas (Austin would be great) but I'm sure you wouldn't approve
of that. My father was a British citizen who never relinquished his
passport, so as I understand it I can easily become a British citizen,
which means I can move freely to Canada if I want. Are there any Mac
software engineer jobs in Vancouver? What is your advice on this front?
I don't remember discussing this before. My memory of the last couple of
years is not very good.

[BillB]

Since you said "seriously", I will take your comments as such.

I don't know that moving at this stage of the game would be a good idea.
You'll have to talk to your therapist about that one. You seem to have
established a successful routine where you are. I don't think I would
risk upending that right now. You should wait until you are on sounder
footing before making any major life changes that aren't absolutely
needed. I certainly wouldn't quit my job (unless I was really miserable,
but I understand you are fairly happy there).

I don't think your assumptions about the immigration policies of the UK
and Canada are correct. In fact, I'm almost positive they are not. As
far as software jobs in Vancouver go, the only big software firms I know
of here are a couple of the big gaming outfits.

If you "like San Diego" and "Austin would be great" then it's clear you
don't actually "hate cities" and people. You just like to convince
yourself you do. It's a pretty obvious defense mechanism that you should
try to get to the bottom of.

I need more information:

What is it you HATE about LA? You said before you always lived in really
crappy neighborhoods (by my standards). What is your price range for
rent or purchase of a residence? In which part of the city do you work?

What significant impact does the California state government have on
your life?

My deal with Lake Elsinore wasn't about the city per se (although I do
honestly believe it's a pretty crappy place to live) but WHY you moved
there. Self-imposed isolation and imagined hatred of people and society
are pretty common symptoms of substance abuse. It's an excuse to become
more selfish than you already were. I had suggested that you move closer
to civilization, preferably closer to family, and get involved in your
community HELPING others, instead of convincing yourself over and over
how much you hate them. That's just an excuse to lock yourself in a room
and get drunk or high.

[poopiejay]

san diego used to be nice. (i lived there in the 70's and 80's). now
its just another congested big city. it's LA with an inferiority complex.
the traffic in the morning on 5/805 backs up all the way to del
mar/solana beach. north county is still pretty nice...encinitas,
fallbrook areas. even parts of vista or oceanside are ok, but you're
already not that far from those areas.
the bottom line is anywhere with nice scenery, good weather, and good
jobs is already packed with people and probably expensive. even austin
has almost a million people.
i dont know about job prospects, but the oregon coast and northern
northern calif coast sure is pretty and dotted with a lot of small towns.
and if you can put up with colld winters and humid summers, the upper
midwest is beautiful as well as places like west virginia, kentucky and
tennesee. coastal south carolina and georgia are beautifully green with
mild winters.

[popinjay999]

On Feb 4, 2:22 pm, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> Let me ask you seriously then, where do you recommend I go?  My job is in
> LA.  I HATE LA.  I like San Diego, which isn't far, so I could look for a
> new job there, but the state government of CA is run by retards.  I'd love
> to live in Texas (Austin would be great) but I'm sure you wouldn't approve
> of that.  My father was a British citizen who never relinquished his
> passport, so as I understand it I can easily become a British citizen,
> which means I can move freely to Canada if I want.  Are there any Mac
> software engineer jobs in Vancouver?  What is your advice on this front?
> I don't remember discussing this before.  My memory of the last couple of
> years is not very good.

Dude! Seriously. There's only one destination worth going to.

Mecca. The Promised Land.

Baby needs a new pair of shoes.

[brewmaster]

I wouldn't live in Vegas if you paid me.

[Travel A]

Utah's a good "conservative state" alternative to California. Get a job
in Salt Lake City and live about a half hour away in beautiful Park
City.

Clean, mountain and desert living, wide-open gun laws, low taxes and
minimum government intrusion on everyday living. You can vote for Mike
Lee for senator instead of not voting for Boxer... right there it's
worth the move.

[mo_ntresor]

slc really is amazing.

mo_ntresor

[brewmaster]

That really is a good idea Travel, thanks.

[poopiejay]

i agree. utah is a beautiful state, specially the 'slick-rock' areas
around lake powell. the drive thru zion to bryce to escalante to bouder
then down the burr trail to hite crossing is amazing.

[Follow]

It's awesome here. I can show you around some of the poker games. :)

Beef isn't invited.



Follow :)

[BillB]

On 06/02/2013 4:49 AM, Travel A wrote:

> Utah's a good "conservative state" alternative to California.

> Get a job in Salt Lake City

I would think a software engineer moving to Salt Lake City would be like
a professional golfer moving to Alaska.

and live about a half hour away in beautiful Park
> City.

Can't argue with that.

> Clean, mountain and desert living,

Yes, thumbs up on the mountains (it's hard for me to imagine living
somewhere where there aren't snow peaked mountains). Deserts are boring
and inhospitable, which is why even plants are smart enough to not want
to live there. Are you smarter than a plant?

> wide-open gun laws

It hard to imagine (save for some very specialized exceptions) someone
placing this factor this high on their choice of places to live. Even if
you are a hardcore nutter, you can have guns anywhere.


> low taxes

To correspond with low wages and reduced amenities.

>and
> minimum government intrusion on everyday living.

Pretty much the same as everywhere. I was hoping brewmaster would give
me some good examples of how the California state government impinges on
his life, but he declined.

You can vote for Mike
> Lee for senator instead of not voting for Boxer... right there it's
> worth the move.

Idiotic consideration.


The main problem with Salt Lake City is that it is as cold and boring as
fuck. It is also very isolated, culturally and geographically. Plus it's
full of Mormons, which I consider half a step up from Scientology.