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MEL
"A Man Beaten by Jacks" <nob...@fool.foo> wrote in message
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Dailykos?
Is that the site that tells their readers to go out and spam Internet
polls?
http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
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Daily Kos: Get Out There and Spam Every Poll
Politics | Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:48:29 am PDT
Looking around the web this morning, we see a whole lot of silly,
meaningless Internet polls asking who won last night’s debate—and in
quite a few of them, Joe Biden seems to be doing quite well, even
coming out ahead of Sarah Palin.
Curious, isn’t it? Why would Biden be ahead of Palin in so many
Internet polls?
Were we just imagining that she crushed his hair-plugged head in ways
it has never been crushed before?
No. The answer is simple, and it’s the same reason why Ron Paul did so
well in online polls while totally failing to reach the general
public.
The “progressives” and the Kos Kids are going around the web and
stacking every poll they can find, in an organized effort to skew the
perception of the debate as much as their little blank hearts can
manage.
Daily Kos: CALL TO ACTION! ’FREEPING FOR JESUS’: THE VP DEBATE.
Aren’t they cute?
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Yeah, real cute.
>
> http://littlegreenfootballs.com/weblog/
>
> --------------------------------------------
> Daily Kos: Get Out There and Spam Every Poll
> Politics | Fri, Oct 3, 2008 at 8:48:29 am PDT
>
> Looking around the web this morning, we see a whole lot of silly,
> meaningless Internet polls asking who won last night's debate-and in
> quite a few of them, Joe Biden seems to be doing quite well, even
> coming out ahead of Sarah Palin.
>
> Curious, isn't it? Why would Biden be ahead of Palin in so many
> Internet polls?
> Were we just imagining that she crushed his hair-plugged head in ways
> it has never been crushed before?
>
> No. The answer is simple, and it's the same reason why Ron Paul did so
> well in online polls while totally failing to reach the general
> public.
>
> The "progressives" and the Kos Kids are going around the web and
> stacking every poll they can find, in an organized effort to skew the
> perception of the debate as much as their little blank hearts can
> manage.
>
> Daily Kos: CALL TO ACTION! 'FREEPING FOR JESUS': THE VP DEBATE.
>
> Aren't they cute?
> --------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>
> Yeah, real cute.
Hey TurboTard! What the fuck is your problem?
Careful, MBBJ said that if we don't think exactly like him then we are
fascists.
> Dailykos?
>
> Is that the site that tells their readers to go out and spam Internet
> polls?
Like the source is important to whether it's funny or not?
Gimme a break. It's funny because it's so true.
Republicans really need to get a sense of humor.
----Joseph
It's funny, but not because it's true. What's REALLY funny is that
DailyKos readers THINK it's true!
--
Joe Long aka ChipRider
Somewhere on the Range
> It's funny, but not because it's true. What's REALLY funny is that
> DailyKos readers THINK it's true!
I don't think DailyKos was the source. I saw links to it in about 15
different places the other day, no source attributed.
I just think it's rather sad that something that is pretty damn funny
suddenly becomes not funny when it's posted at Kos.
Like I say, whether true or not in your mind, it's still funny because
you can't deny that Palin is completely vacuous.
Republicans need to get a sense of humor about themselves or the
country is doomed.
---Joseph
>On 2008-10-04 00:49:19 -0700, Joe Long <nos...@spam.com> said:
>
>> It's funny, but not because it's true. What's REALLY funny is that
>> DailyKos readers THINK it's true!
>
>I don't think DailyKos was the source. I saw links to it in about 15
>different places the other day, no source attributed.
>
>I just think it's rather sad that something that is pretty damn funny
>suddenly becomes not funny when it's posted at Kos.
>
>Like I say, whether true or not in your mind, it's still funny because
>you can't deny that Palin is completely vacuous.
>
A woman who rose up through the ranks from Mayor, to Governor of
Alaska, to being selected as a VP candidate is "completely vacuous"?
Honestagawd, Joe.
Slow down long enough to let your brain catch up with your typing
finger.
>Republicans need to get a sense of humor about themselves or the
>country is doomed.
>
>---Joseph
Oh, and lay off the KoolAid.
http://iowahawk.typepad.com/iowahawk/
Ifill Ethics Commission Clears Ifill
By Gwen Ifill
PBS Chief Political Correspondent
and Gwen Ifill
President, Ifill Center for Media Ethics
and Gwen Ifill
Editor, BarackBeat Fanzine
WASHINGTON - As expected, a blue ribbon panel from the Ifill Center
for Media Ethics cleared award-winning political journalist Gwen Ifill
of all charges today, ending a lengthy 20 minute investigation into
"ethics" charges that most observers believe were motivated by
politics and racism. Ifill, like dynamic groundbreaking
President-in-Waiting Barack Obama, is Black. The complete exoneration
clears the way for Ifill to moderate the Vice Presidential debate
tonight between respected Senate veteran Joe Biden and former beauty
pageant loser Sarah Palin.
"I would like to thank Ms.Ifill for her complete cooperation into this
unnecessary politically-motivated witch hunt," said Commission
Chairperson Gwen Ifill. "On behalf of the entire panel, I would like
to offer my sincere apologies for dragging her in and wasting her
valuable time on the basis of such obviously flimsy and bogus
allegations."
Displaying her famous grace, Ifill said she harbored no ill will
toward the inquiry.
"I'm satisfied by the result," said the objective, down-the-middle
reporter whose work has earned her numerous awards for broadcast
excellence as well as several honorary doctorates in Journalism
Ethics. "Now if you'll excuse me, I've got debate questions to
prepare."
The Ifill Ifill commission was convened late yesterday in the wake of
a whispering campaign by racist internet operatives for cancer-ravaged
reactionary Senator John McCain. The scurrilous charges included
objections to Ifill serving as debate moderator because of her coming
best-seller, President Obama: The Audacious Winning Campaign of the
African-American Adonis Who Healed the Planet and Stopped the Oceans'
Rise, available November 6 from Harper Collins. Save 20% of the $29.95
list price by preordering with your Amazon or Barnes and Noble card.
Some of the whispering campaign focused on the "issue" that Ifill
forgot to mention the book to the debate commission, even though the
respected media professional has had much on her mind lately,
including the massive economic meltdown spurred by years of failed
trickle-up Republican economic policies.
Some anonymous partisan critics also faulted Ifill for her work as
Editor of BarackBeat Magazine Giant Poster Pullout Special, with over
100 commemorative Obama stickers and free mini-CD of the Jonas
Brothers hit "Hope Is In The House," available on newstands now -- for
the low cover price of $5.95!
Those criticisms were quickly dismissed by the blue ribbon ethics
panel consisting of Ifill, MSNBC "Hardball" host Chris Matthews, MSNBC
"Countdown" host Keith Olbermann, and veteran Washington press
correspondent Gwen Ifill. In its official report, the commission ruled
that Ifill's book deal was consistent with prevailing journalism
ethics standards, noting that 86% of national broadcast media
personalities had similar pending Barack Obama book deals.
Ifill did not escape some criticism from the panel however, as she was
warned several times by ranking member Olbermann that "your position
of moderator is no excuse not to violently attack Palin."
"As journalism professionals, we are counting on you to do the right
thing," said Olbermann, presenting her with the Center's "Dan 'Mr.
October' Rather Journalist of the Year" commemorative baseball bat.
"You can depend on me," said Ifill, calmly pounding spikes into the
engraved Louisville Slugger. "I promise to conduct myself in the
highest traditions of Gwen Ifill."
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Now, is that funny or what?
> A woman who rose up through the ranks from Mayor, to Governor of
> Alaska, to being selected as a VP candidate is "completely vacuous"?
Oh my! Those credentials! Are you trying to shock me into believing
she has substance?
You obviously have a high degree of faith in the people marking ballots
in this country. Unfortunately, I don't believe that "winning" a few
elections equates with being a person of substance. In fact, if you
think about it, she may have won those elections and been selected as a
VP candidate, not in spite of being vacuous, but because of it:
vac·u·ous
1 : emptied of or lacking content
2 : marked by lack of ideas or intelligence
3 : devoid of serious occupation
I'm sorry, but the girl qualifies on all three of those definitions.
But, maybe you can help me to change my mind. I have yet to meet
anyone who is even willing to try.
----Joseph
>On 2008-10-04 11:41:26 -0700, FL Turbo <noe...@notime.com> said:
>
>> A woman who rose up through the ranks from Mayor, to Governor of
>> Alaska, to being selected as a VP candidate is "completely vacuous"?
>
>Oh my! Those credentials! Are you trying to shock me into believing
>she has substance?
>
>You obviously have a high degree of faith in the people marking ballots
>in this country. Unfortunately, I don't believe that "winning" a few
>elections equates with being a person of substance. In fact, if you
>think about it, she may have won those elections and been selected as a
>VP candidate, not in spite of being vacuous, but because of it:
>
>vac·u·ous
>1 : emptied of or lacking content
>2 : marked by lack of ideas or intelligence
>3 : devoid of serious occupation
>
>I'm sorry, but the girl qualifies on all three of those definitions.
>
Did you watch the debate with any kind of open mind at all?
Hell, even most convicted Obama supporters have conceded that she
didn't embarrass herself in that debate.
Does that square with the notion that she is "vacuous"?
>But, maybe you can help me to change my mind. I have yet to meet
>anyone who is even willing to try.
>
>----Joseph
As Jonathon Swift noted a long time ago.
"It is no use to try to convince someone using facts, if he has
already come to his conclusions through emotion."
Somebody like that.
Or something like that.
(I will sit corrected if somebody can attribute it to someone else.)
Yes. She exceeded unbelieveably low expectations.
>
>>But, maybe you can help me to change my mind. I have yet to meet
>>anyone who is even willing to try.
>>
>>----Joseph
>
> As Jonathon Swift noted a long time ago.
>
> "It is no use to try to convince someone using facts, if he has
> already come to his conclusions through emotion."
>
> Somebody like that.
> Or something like that.
> (I will sit corrected if somebody can attribute it to someone else.)
That holds true on all sides.
> Did you watch the debate with any kind of open mind at all?
Didn't watch. I didn't have time to sit in front of the tee-vee and I
really don't have the stomach for that kind of thing. I read
transcripts.
>
> Hell, even most convicted Obama supporters have conceded that she
> didn't embarrass herself in that debate.
> Does that square with the notion that she is "vacuous"?
Many people, like you, apparently, translate "not embarrassing herself"
into victory. That's a pretty low standard.
Again, you're missing the point of what vacuous means. Whether or not
she embarrassed herself isn't relevant to the question. Speaking of
which, not giving relevant answers to questions is, um, a little
vacuous, dontchathink?
It did occur to me that Palin may have been sandbagging for the last
month or so, and would whip out the claws in the debate and surprise
the shit out of everyone. Alas, she was not sandbagging, she had no
claws, and no one was really surprised by her performance. People like
you held your breath for an hour and a half and finally let it out when
she didn't embarrass herself.
> As Jonathon Swift noted a long time ago.
>
> "It is no use to try to convince someone using facts, if he has
> already come to his conclusions through emotion."
Are you directing that to me?
All I'm saying is it is an observed (observable) fact, her debate
performance included, that Sarah Palin is evasive, clueless or
non-specific when questioned, has often responded to questions by
rattling off endless non-sequiturs that have no relevance to the
question being asked, is almost always factually wrong in some major or
minor way, and manages, somehow, to speak for extended periods of time
without really saying anything at all. That, to me, indicates that the
little mouse on the treadmill in her brain is out to lunch. She's
vacuous.
(And, I sincerely believe that McCain added her to the ticket as a
trophy VP, holding her out there as a MSPWLF, and a means to get the
fundie vote behind him. In the meantime, they've done a right proper
job of keeping her legs visible but keeping her thoughts away from the
public.)
You know, I don't mind someone being wrong when asked a
question---provided they're wrong with conviction. I don't mind them
being wrong when they have solid reasons for being wrong and can state
them. Sometimes, by the end of it, they may even convince me that I'm
wrong. You'll find that quality in McCain, Obama and Biden---they
state something affirmatively and can further explain why they believe
it. What you see with Palin, however, is someone who is spewing
opinions that she is unable to understand or articulate and trying to
cover it up with a lot of hockey-mom talk and you-betchas and hecks.
That is vacuous, and vacuous people are not qualified to hold public
office, despite what the uneducated voters of America say.
The flowchart, which I understand is not the product of DailyKos,
continues to be a fair and humorous representation of her thought
process, based on a preponderance of the evidence.
---Joseph
> On 2008-10-04 13:21:30 -0700, FL Turbo <noe...@notime.com> said:
>
>> Did you watch the debate with any kind of open mind at all?
>
> Didn't watch. I didn't have time to sit in front of the tee-vee and I
> really don't have the stomach for that kind of thing. I read
> transcripts.
If everyone did that we would never have been stuck with JFK as
president, and would have had Nixon in 1960 as we should have. There
would have been no Vietnam war, or any of the shit that Kennedy and
Johnson brought forth.
Unfortunately, people WATCH the debates, and delivery is as important,
or more important than substance. Palin kicked Biden's ass.
Oh, btw, she is far smarter than you are. If she is vacuous, what are you?
I didn't see an attribution at DailyKos, so I assumed they created it.
I'd not be surprised if they just plagiarized it, though.
> I just think it's rather sad that something that is pretty damn funny
> suddenly becomes not funny when it's posted at Kos.
Being posted at DailyKos doesn't make it not funny, on the contrary that
just adds another kind of humor to it.
> Like I say, whether true or not in your mind, it's still funny because
> you can't deny that Palin is completely vacuous.
Like I said, it's funny, but not because it's true. And I can and do
deny that Palin is vacuous at all. And have a good laugh at your claim
that she is.
> Republicans need to get a sense of humor about themselves or the country
> is doomed.
Why do we need to get what we already have?
...
> vac·u·ous
> 1 : emptied of or lacking content
> 2 : marked by lack of ideas or intelligence
> 3 : devoid of serious occupation
>
> I'm sorry, but the girl qualifies on all three of those definitions.
Balderdash. She doesn't come close to qualifying on any one of them.
Only blatant partisanship could lead someone to think that she has.
> But, maybe you can help me to change my mind. I have yet to meet anyone
> who is even willing to try.
Maybe because it's obvious that your mind is made up and NOTHING could
change it?
>
> Maybe because it's obvious that your mind is made up and NOTHING could
> change it?
>
HA! Look who's talking! The flow chart is funny, HELLO! BECAUSE IT'S TRUE!
I absolutely knew where this thread was going to go soon after Man Beaten by
Jacks posted it. I figured that Fl Turbo would be the first, and then YOU,
Joe Long, would be close behind, doing what you guys do best. You have
sucked Bush's cock for the last eight years, and now you're both ready to
suck Sarah Palin's cock for the next eight years. Pathetic!
-PP
>> Dailykos?
Republicans getting any sense whatsoever would be a novelty.
>Republicans need to get a sense of humor about themselves or the
>country is doomed.
More like THEY'RE doomed. There isn't a Democrat who doesn't laugh
their ass off at Biden's nearly nonstop stupid statements. There
isn't a Republican who can laugh at even a hilarious blithering idiot
like Sarah Palin, apparently.
They're like Scientologists flipping out when anyone makes a joke
about L. Con Hubbard.
.... would have had Nixon in 1960 as we should have. There
>would have been no Vietnam war, or any of the shit that Kennedy and
>Johnson brought forth.
We were already involved in Vietnam before JFK took office.
>Unfortunately, people WATCH the debates, and delivery is as important,
>or more important than substance. Palin kicked Biden's ass.
Palin came across to this independent voter as an ignorant, immature, flippant,
northern equivalent of a hillbilly.
>Oh, btw, she is far smarter than you are.
On an absolute scale, she's not very bright. The _average_
politically-interested woman in Washington DC is far better educated and
informed, than Sarah Palin.
Palin makes Dan Quayle look like Jacob Bronowski. That she is a highly-regarded
republican prospect for 2012, while GOP moderates like Tom Davis and Wayne
Gilchrest are given the heave-ho by those in control, is a damning indictment of
today's republican party.
-- Larry
> Balderdash. She doesn't come close to qualifying on any one of them.
> Only blatant partisanship could lead someone to think that she has.
I dunno. I'm registered as no party affiliation, and I've read George
Washington's farewell address, that discusses the pratfalls of a
partisan system quite effectively and presciently, at least a dozen
times, and often quote from it. I'm not a party guy, never will be,
and I believe that the only way we can save this country and make it
better is to introduce other parties and/or independents into the
beltway. We're basically fucked under a two-party system.
IOW, I'm on the fence on every issue until I've been convinced one way
or another and I really fucking hate the fact that there's only
two-sides to every debate, unless I dig around and hear that third or
fourth or fifth opinion that's getting no press. I don't just listen,
I research and decide on my own.
So, here's a big "fuck you" on that little charge. Moron.
> Maybe because it's obvious that your mind is made up and NOTHING could
> change it?
Forty-five days ago (or whatever it is now), I had never heard of Sarah
Palin. She had every opportunity over that time to demonstrate to me
her qualifications. I gave her every break, every benefit of the
doubt, despie knowing from the outset that she was a religious nutjob
(which disqualifies her from even mild consideration by default). But,
I somewhat like McCain and I figured I'd give the old boy a break and
see what he can dish out.
As it was, she demonstrated her qualifications quite effectively. She
has none. Zero, zip, nada, zilch. I wouldn't even hire her at my
store for $7.50 an hour to tag & hang clothes.
And you want her finger over the little red button that blows up the world?
Fuck that, bucko!
While I was on the fence before, I'm definitely voting Obama now.
Besides, Sarah Silverman is the sexiest woman alive, and she says I
need to vote for Obama[1]
---Joseph
[1] Satirical representation of typical Republican mindset.
Right there is the crux of your problem. Don't you know that the impact
a debate has depends a lot on body language, facial expressions, and
such? In the famous Nixon-Kennedy debate people who heard it on radio
or read transcripts rated Nixon as winning handily, due to a better
grasp on the issues. But on television he came off poorly, largely due
to lack of makeup for TV cameras, and he lost the debate among TV viewers.
Also, the real test of who "won" one of these debates is who helped
their ticket the most. Biden performed better than many feared but did
little to boost his ticket. Palin clearly boosted the McCain/Palin
ticket. Which was what she needed to do, whether you found it "vacuous"
or not.
<...debate performance...>
> Biden performed better than many feared but did little to boost
> his ticket. Palin clearly boosted the McCain/Palin ticket.
On what do you base those statements?
http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08.htm
Jim
You're wrong again, chum. I get lots of laughs out of Biden, and also
out of such things as the flowchart and the SNL skits about Palin and
McCain. Only insecure people get upset at jokes about their guys. Or
think that only their guys have a sense of humor.
Speaking of SNL, did you see tonight's opening skit? The parodied the
debate, of course. My wife and I were laughing out loud all through it.
Of course, we don't base our vote on SNL.
> Right there is the crux of your problem. Don't you know that the impact
> a debate has depends a lot on body language, facial expressions, and
> such?
Well, pardon me! I'm not looking for "impact." I'm looking for substance.
Maybe you're the one who has the problem, eh?
---Joseph
Well, you talk a good game but you don't have to be registered with a
party to have a fixed, partisan mindset. Despite your claims I've seen
nothing in what you post to suggest that you are actually as you claim
to be. I will stick with:
>> Maybe because it's obvious that your mind is made up and NOTHING could
>> change it?
> Besides, Sarah Silverman is the sexiest woman alive, and she says I need
> to vote for Obama[1]
> [1] Satirical representation of typical Republican mindset.
Oh, yeah, really independent and open-minded.
Where's the beef? Where is data showing that Biden increased the number
of people who are going to vote for Obama?
I'm judging success in the debate in the way that counts: who helped
their ticket get elected the most?
A lot of people dissed Reagan as short on substance, and he became one
of our greatest Presidents. There's more to being a leader than ticking
off a list of facts.
To be fair, the McCain ticket was poised to head straight down the shitter
if Palin had done as badly as the Republicans feared. Based on her
performance, which was merely shaky at worst, the campaign continues pretty
much on its steady downward trend, which could be called a "boost" I
suppose. With the Obama ticket on a steady incline, there's not much Biden
was going to do but keep it steady as she goes.
You said Biden "did little" to boost his ticket and that Palin "clearly
boosted" her ticket. I asked why you think that.
You have nothing.
Jim
>On Sat, 4 Oct 2008 15:15:38 -0700, brewmaster <brewm...@brewcam.com> wrote:
>
>.... would have had Nixon in 1960 as we should have. There
>>would have been no Vietnam war, or any of the shit that Kennedy and
>>Johnson brought forth.
>
>We were already involved in Vietnam before JFK took office.
>
>>Unfortunately, people WATCH the debates, and delivery is as important,
>>or more important than substance. Palin kicked Biden's ass.
>
>Palin came across to this independent voter as an ignorant, immature, flippant,
>northern equivalent of a hillbilly.
>
Oh, at last!!
At long last, we have an unbiased opinion from an independent voter.
I'll be eagerly waiting for your comments as the election season
progresses.
>>Oh, btw, she is far smarter than you are.
>
>On an absolute scale, she's not very bright. The _average_
>politically-interested woman in Washington DC is far better educated and
>informed, than Sarah Palin.
>
>Palin makes Dan Quayle look like Jacob Bronowski. That she is a highly-regarded
>republican prospect for 2012, while GOP moderates like Tom Davis and Wayne
>Gilchrest are given the heave-ho by those in control, is a damning indictment of
>today's republican party.
>
>-- Larry
Jacob Bronowski ??
Who ??
He does appear to have an unhealthy fascination with cock sucking,
doesn't he?
He and MBBJ seem to have that in common.
NTTAWT
> Well, you talk a good game but you don't have to be registered with a
> party to have a fixed, partisan mindset. Despite your claims I've seen
> nothing in what you post to suggest that you are actually as you claim
> to be. I will stick with:
>
>>> Maybe because it's obvious that your mind is made up and NOTHING could
>>> change it?
>
>> Besides, Sarah Silverman is the sexiest woman alive, and she says I need
>> to vote for Obama[1]
>
>> [1] Satirical representation of typical Republican mindset.
>
> Oh, yeah, really independent and open-minded.
Well. We're stuck in a two-party system, and I puke on both parties
pretty damn heavily. However, I puke more on the republicans, so that
makes me a "partisan" and apparently a democrat.
You're too funny.
---Joseph
> I'm judging success in the debate in the way that counts: who helped
> their ticket get elected the most?
Okay.
You know, one thing that always bugs me about football fans is that
most of them don't care who is playing, they'll watch the game anyway
just because it's football.
---Joseph
>
> You're too funny.
>
Yeah, Joe Long is a riot. He should be on Saturday Night Live.
"I'm Dumby, dammit".
I have heard, from VERY reputable sources, that Paul has handled Will
Coleman's cock.