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brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 11:57:39 AM12/14/12
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For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
mo_ntresor
Dec 14, 2012, 11:59:41 AM12/14/12
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of a bigger issue.
mo_ntresor
fffurken
Dec 14, 2012, 12:26:41 PM12/14/12
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On 14 Dec, 16:57, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
That is good progress. Well done.
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 12:27:42 PM12/14/12
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be 50 pounds from last July) through exercise and diet alone. I'm not
actually sure it is possible for me to get to that weight, but at least I
have incentive.
Beldumb TurdSavant
Dec 14, 2012, 12:37:20 PM12/14/12
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brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 12:41:27 PM12/14/12
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by my coach (a coworker who has run it before). Plus, I've never been to
Hawaii.
Beldumb TurdSavant
Dec 14, 2012, 1:00:35 PM12/14/12
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don't do well running in temps above 70 Give me 40's, cloudy and rain.
Good luck with training!! If you need a good training plan, check out
http://halhigdon.com/training/51137/Marathon-Novice-1-Training-Program.
Very good training plan for first time marathoners and very popular. I
have the Oakland Marathon and Cork, Ireland Marathon planned for this
spring .
popinjay999
Dec 14, 2012, 1:06:49 PM12/14/12
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Brew, why not just walk? That's all I'm doing. Running will kill you.
brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 1:06:48 PM12/14/12
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maybe I'll join you for one in 2014.
brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 1:22:10 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14 2012 10:06 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> On Dec 14, 9:41 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Dec 14 2012 9:37 AM, Beldumb TurdSavant wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> >
> > > > For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
> >
> > > > July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> > > > Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
> >
> > > > Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> > > > about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet)..
> On Dec 14, 9:41 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Dec 14 2012 9:37 AM, Beldumb TurdSavant wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> >
> > > > For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
> >
> > > > July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> > > > Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
> >
> > > > Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> >
> > > Congrats! Do you have a specific marathon picked out yet?
> >
> > I'm thinking Honolulu 12/8/13 (one month before 50th bday). Recommended
> > by my coach (a coworker who has run it before). Plus, I've never been to
> > Hawaii.
>
>
> Hawaii sucks, no gambling there.
>
> Brew, why not just walk? That's all I'm doing. Running will kill you.
I have to be addicted to something, the current things are coffee and
> > > Congrats! Do you have a specific marathon picked out yet?
> >
> > I'm thinking Honolulu 12/8/13 (one month before 50th bday). Recommended
> > by my coach (a coworker who has run it before). Plus, I've never been to
> > Hawaii.
>
>
> Hawaii sucks, no gambling there.
>
> Brew, why not just walk? That's all I'm doing. Running will kill you.
running. Running is really strange, at about 2 or 3 miles I seem to
settle into a "I can run forever" feeling, and then afterwards I feel like
I'm floating all day. I also walk a couple miles every afternoon.
Why would running kill me? I'm going to see the doctor about dropping the
BP meds, btw.
mo_ntresor
Dec 14, 2012, 1:21:46 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14 2012 10:27 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> > what's the bet? a high start is a monster advantage but also indicative
> > of a bigger issue.
>
> > what's the bet? a high start is a monster advantage but also indicative
> > of a bigger issue.
>
> The bet is just whether I can get down to 180 pounds by July (which would
> be 50 pounds from last July) through exercise and diet alone. I'm not
> actually sure it is possible for me to get to that weight, but at least I
> have incentive.
throw in some high intensity, scaled down crossfit, and you'll get there
> be 50 pounds from last July) through exercise and diet alone. I'm not
> actually sure it is possible for me to get to that weight, but at least I
> have incentive.
no problem. i do burpee pullup workouts 5 times a week; it's impossible
to gain weight working out like that.
mo_ntresor
mo_ntresor
Dec 14, 2012, 1:26:57 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14 2012 11:22 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> > Hawaii sucks, no gambling there.
> > Brew, why not just walk? That's all I'm doing. Running will kill you.
>
> I have to be addicted to something, the current things are coffee and
> running. Running is really strange, at about 2 or 3 miles I seem to
> settle into a "I can run forever" feeling, and then afterwards I feel like
> I'm floating all day. I also walk a couple miles every afternoon.
>
> Why would running kill me? I'm going to see the doctor about dropping the
> BP meds, btw.
recent studies suggest over running can be detrimental to cardiac health.
> > Hawaii sucks, no gambling there.
> > Brew, why not just walk? That's all I'm doing. Running will kill you.
>
> I have to be addicted to something, the current things are coffee and
> running. Running is really strange, at about 2 or 3 miles I seem to
> settle into a "I can run forever" feeling, and then afterwards I feel like
> I'm floating all day. I also walk a couple miles every afternoon.
>
> Why would running kill me? I'm going to see the doctor about dropping the
> BP meds, btw.
they say running faster than an 8 minute mile is counter productive.
mo_ntresor
brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 1:34:32 PM12/14/12
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Will in New Haven
Dec 14, 2012, 2:59:02 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14, 11:57 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
That's _odd_ I weigh lots more than that but I was never unable to run
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
around the block a few times, let alone walk around the house. I know
because I did run around the block more than a few times when I
weighed over three hundred. Won a lot of money or I would not have
done it. Of course, my fiftieth birthday was back in the twentieth
century and I'm undoubtedly shorter than you are also.
> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
you were I probably haven't been able to run ten miles in more than
twenty-five years. I possibly could have done it back when I caught my
last season but the last time I actually _did_ run ten miles was
1978.
>
> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
--
Will in New Haven
RedKnave
Dec 14, 2012, 5:27:12 PM12/14/12
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training for and running marathons are something that I have some
experience with and still care about. If you're interested, I would be
happy to chat about it with you.
Abbey Johnsson
Dec 14, 2012, 5:35:19 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
eatdrinkbemerryidontcareifidieyoung type. dont let making an announcement
like this lead to your downfall. i''ve seen cigarette smokers quit, make a
big announcement after a month, then after all the accolades are finished,
their fun is over so they go back to smoking.
take up golf again. at least you'll have some fun chasing that little
white ball while youre getting fresh air and exercise.
brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 5:38:33 PM12/14/12
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high school, and was supposed to run a marathon, but when I got there on
race day I decided I didn't want to, and left (I was 16). I never really
liked running then either, I just did it. Then, about 10 years ago I
started running again to get in shape, and again, didn't really like it,
but did it. The weird thing is that this time I am really getting into
it. During almost every run I reach some point where I feel like I could
just keep going at the same pace all day, and then afterward I feel great
all day. I've never had this before.
brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 5:43:52 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14 2012 2:35 PM, Abbey Johnsson wrote:
> On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>
> > For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
> >
> > July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> > Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
> >
> > Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> > about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
>
> very good mr brewmaster. i thought you were a hopeless case, a
thanks, I thought I was too
> On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>
> > For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
> >
> > July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> > Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
> >
> > Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> > about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
>
> very good mr brewmaster. i thought you were a hopeless case, a
> eatdrinkbemerryidontcareifidieyoung type. dont let making an announcement
> like this lead to your downfall. i''ve seen cigarette smokers quit, make a
> big announcement after a month, then after all the accolades are finished,
> their fun is over so they go back to smoking.
> take up golf again. at least you'll have some fun chasing that little
> white ball while youre getting fresh air and exercise.
BillB
Dec 14, 2012, 6:11:31 PM12/14/12
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On 14/12/2012 8:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
You must have been pretty drunk.
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
brewmaster
Dec 14, 2012, 6:42:13 PM12/14/12
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drunk.
FL Turbo
Dec 14, 2012, 8:13:27 PM12/14/12
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Are you nuts or something?
O-PGManager
Dec 14, 2012, 8:25:58 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
just works your muscles in ways running can't.
Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
risky biz
Dec 14, 2012, 10:52:28 PM12/14/12
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On Dec 14 2012 11:06 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> On Dec 14, 9:41 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Dec 14 2012 9:37 AM, Beldumb TurdSavant wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> >
> > > > For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
> >
> > > > July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> > > > Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
> >
> > > > Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> > > > about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet)..
> On Dec 14, 9:41 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> > On Dec 14 2012 9:37 AM, Beldumb TurdSavant wrote:
> >
> > > On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
> >
> > > > For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
> >
> > > > July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> > > > Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
> >
> > > > Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> >
> > > Congrats! Do you have a specific marathon picked out yet?
> >
> > I'm thinking Honolulu 12/8/13 (one month before 50th bday). Recommended
> > by my coach (a coworker who has run it before). Plus, I've never been to
> > Hawaii.
>
>
> Hawaii sucks, no gambling there.
>
> Brew, why not just walk? That's all I'm doing. Running will kill you.
I know a guy who got addicted to running and ruined his feet.
> > > Congrats! Do you have a specific marathon picked out yet?
> >
> > I'm thinking Honolulu 12/8/13 (one month before 50th bday). Recommended
> > by my coach (a coworker who has run it before). Plus, I've never been to
> > Hawaii.
>
>
> Hawaii sucks, no gambling there.
>
> Brew, why not just walk? That's all I'm doing. Running will kill you.
risky biz
Dec 14, 2012, 10:50:42 PM12/14/12
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miles in 3 days if the terrain was level. In temperatures up to 110 and I
started with a 45 pound pack. But I wasn't trying to achieve any
particular distance. It was for exploration and enjoyment.
All I drank was water. Warm, dirty water sometimes. I carried a planned
inadequate amount of water to lighten my pack. I would gradually
dehydrate. When I got back to the truck I would down a gallon of water and
it would just disappear into my body.
I'm sure that I probably couldn't run 10 miles or even 5 miles unless a
mountain lion was chasing me. I don't like running but I can walk forever
and at a good clip.
risky biz
Dec 14, 2012, 10:56:00 PM12/14/12
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right word but I think I've heard that exercise produces something that
makes you feel good and is actually addictive.
Alim Nassor
Dec 14, 2012, 10:59:41 PM12/14/12
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Pepe Papon
Dec 15, 2012, 12:14:27 AM12/15/12
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:25:58 -0800, "O-PGManager"
<ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>
>> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>>
>> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
>> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>>
>> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
>> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
>
>Well done. Definitely add some resistance training/weights/crossfit -
>just works your muscles in ways running can't.
Yep. That's the approach I've been taking.
<ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>
>> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>>
>> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
>> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>>
>> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
>> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
>
>Well done. Definitely add some resistance training/weights/crossfit -
>just works your muscles in ways running can't.
Unfortunately, when I started lifting is when I discovered that I have
a torn rotator cuff. I'm attempting to rehab without surgery. And
I'm back to lifting.
--
Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon
RedKnave
Dec 15, 2012, 1:14:16 AM12/15/12
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And the longer you go, the more scar tissue there is and the harder it is
to repair. Assuming it is in fact a torn RC (is this MRI diagnosed?),
when working your shoulders (delts), (a) don't lift your elbow above your
shoulder, and (b) go with lighter weight and higher reps. I've seen great
success, and definition, with nothing heavier than 5 lbs, front, side, and
3/4 raises, 2-3 sets of 20. Keeping your thumbs pointed up helps. RC
surgery is about the worst. If you can live without it, great, but don't
make the situation worse.
fffurken
Dec 15, 2012, 6:11:32 AM12/15/12
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On Dec 15, 3:56 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> That last part is, I think, the endorphins. Not sure if endorphins is the
> right word but I think I've heard that exercise produces something that
> makes you feel good and is actually addictive.
So does curry, apparently.
> That last part is, I think, the endorphins. Not sure if endorphins is the
> right word but I think I've heard that exercise produces something that
> makes you feel good and is actually addictive.
Hey risky, have I told you recently that you're a dumb cunt?
Just in case I haven't.. you're a dumb cunt.
Beldin the Sorcerer
Dec 15, 2012, 9:46:26 AM12/15/12
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brewmaster wrote:
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>
> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
Congratulations and good luck!
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>
> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
otter
Dec 15, 2012, 12:29:09 PM12/15/12
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On Dec 14, 10:57 am, "brewmaster" <a1...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>
> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
Very impressive! Keep it up (that's the hard part).
> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>
> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>
> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
Pepe Papon
Dec 16, 2012, 2:40:44 AM12/16/12
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On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 22:14:16 -0800, "RedKnave"
<a1b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Dec 15 2012 12:14 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:25:58 -0800, "O-PGManager"
>> <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>> >
>> >> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>> >>
>> >> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
>> >> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>> >>
>> >> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
>> >> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
>> >
>> >Well done. Definitely add some resistance training/weights/crossfit -
>> >just works your muscles in ways running can't.
>>
>> Yep. That's the approach I've been taking.
>>
>> Unfortunately, when I started lifting is when I discovered that I have
>> a torn rotator cuff. I'm attempting to rehab without surgery. And
>> I'm back to lifting.
>> --
>>
>> Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon
>
>You can "rehab" all you want, but you can't repair the tear w/o surgery.
Yes, I know. I've discussed this with an orthopedist.
<a1b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Dec 15 2012 12:14 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> On Fri, 14 Dec 2012 17:25:58 -0800, "O-PGManager"
>> <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>>
>> >On Dec 14 2012 11:57 AM, brewmaster wrote:
>> >
>> >> For those of you who care (and if you don't, feel free to not respond)
>> >>
>> >> July 2012: 230 pounds, couldn't walk across the house
>> >> Today: 204 pounds, 149 days sober, ran 10 miles this morning
>> >>
>> >> Goal is to run a marathon before my 50th birthday, which gives me just
>> >> about a year (and other goal is to beat Jason in our weight loss bet).
>> >
>> >Well done. Definitely add some resistance training/weights/crossfit -
>> >just works your muscles in ways running can't.
>>
>> Yep. That's the approach I've been taking.
>>
>> Unfortunately, when I started lifting is when I discovered that I have
>> a torn rotator cuff. I'm attempting to rehab without surgery. And
>> I'm back to lifting.
>> --
>>
>> Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon
>
>You can "rehab" all you want, but you can't repair the tear w/o surgery.
>And the longer you go, the more scar tissue there is and the harder it is
>to repair. Assuming it is in fact a torn RC (is this MRI diagnosed?),
>when working your shoulders (delts), (a) don't lift your elbow above your
>shoulder, and (b) go with lighter weight and higher reps. I've seen great
>success, and definition, with nothing heavier than 5 lbs, front, side, and
>3/4 raises, 2-3 sets of 20. Keeping your thumbs pointed up helps. RC
>surgery is about the worst. If you can live without it, great, but don't
>make the situation worse.
positive experiences with it, although I'm also aware that some people
don't.
RedKnave
Dec 16, 2012, 2:11:08 PM12/16/12
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On Dec 16 2012 2:40 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
[snip]
> In what way is RC surgery the worst? I know some people who've had
> positive experiences with it, although I'm also aware that some people
> don't.
> --
>
> Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon
That was a bit vague, wasn't it. Surgery is always a crap shoot, but
given a good surgeon, a good surgical result, and good physical therapy,
the final outcome can be excellent. It's the recovery period I was
referring to. I've had ~18 surgeries, mostly orthopedic, and the absolute
worst, overall, for post-op pain, inconvenience, and interference with
sleep was the RC. Plus, the rehab/PT stuff went on for _much_ longer than
for any other surgeries. My wife had the surgery, too, and she agrees.
Additionally, a couple of the PT folks I've worked with over the years
have said that their RC patients seem to have it worse, in general, than
others.
All of that said, as I'm sure you know, you can suffer some miserable
long-term problems if you don't have surgery and it doesn't heal well and
continues to cause pain. Merely reaching up to head height to get a glass
off a shelf can be problematic, among other daily activities. So I'm not
trying to scare you off the surgery. In fact, for most folks, I would
have to come down on the side of repair. Just have reasonable
expectations for the post-op weeks and plan for good PT for at least 4-6
months.
Whatever you do, good luck. (And follow my advice on the activities;
especially, no more military presses, barbell or dumbbell, and no more lat
pull-downs or pull ups.)
[snip]
> In what way is RC surgery the worst? I know some people who've had
> positive experiences with it, although I'm also aware that some people
> don't.
> --
>
> Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon
given a good surgeon, a good surgical result, and good physical therapy,
the final outcome can be excellent. It's the recovery period I was
referring to. I've had ~18 surgeries, mostly orthopedic, and the absolute
worst, overall, for post-op pain, inconvenience, and interference with
sleep was the RC. Plus, the rehab/PT stuff went on for _much_ longer than
for any other surgeries. My wife had the surgery, too, and she agrees.
Additionally, a couple of the PT folks I've worked with over the years
have said that their RC patients seem to have it worse, in general, than
others.
All of that said, as I'm sure you know, you can suffer some miserable
long-term problems if you don't have surgery and it doesn't heal well and
continues to cause pain. Merely reaching up to head height to get a glass
off a shelf can be problematic, among other daily activities. So I'm not
trying to scare you off the surgery. In fact, for most folks, I would
have to come down on the side of repair. Just have reasonable
expectations for the post-op weeks and plan for good PT for at least 4-6
months.
Whatever you do, good luck. (And follow my advice on the activities;
especially, no more military presses, barbell or dumbbell, and no more lat
pull-downs or pull ups.)
Pepe Papon
Dec 17, 2012, 3:07:56 AM12/17/12
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On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 11:11:08 -0800, "RedKnave"
<a1b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Dec 16 2012 2:40 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> In what way is RC surgery the worst? I know some people who've had
>> positive experiences with it, although I'm also aware that some people
>> don't.
>> --
>>
>> Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon
>
>That was a bit vague, wasn't it. Surgery is always a crap shoot, but
>given a good surgeon, a good surgical result, and good physical therapy,
>the final outcome can be excellent. It's the recovery period I was
>referring to. I've had ~18 surgeries, mostly orthopedic, and the absolute
18 surgeries - wow! I've never had any surgery other than a couple
<a1b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>On Dec 16 2012 2:40 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>[snip]
>
>> In what way is RC surgery the worst? I know some people who've had
>> positive experiences with it, although I'm also aware that some people
>> don't.
>> --
>>
>> Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon
>
>That was a bit vague, wasn't it. Surgery is always a crap shoot, but
>given a good surgeon, a good surgical result, and good physical therapy,
>the final outcome can be excellent. It's the recovery period I was
>referring to. I've had ~18 surgeries, mostly orthopedic, and the absolute
of outpatient surgeries where I was back to work the very next day. Is
it OK to ask why you've had so many?
>worst, overall, for post-op pain, inconvenience, and interference with
>sleep was the RC. Plus, the rehab/PT stuff went on for _much_ longer than
>for any other surgeries. My wife had the surgery, too, and she agrees.
>Additionally, a couple of the PT folks I've worked with over the years
>have said that their RC patients seem to have it worse, in general, than
>others.
problems with sleep. That would really suck, as I already have
problems with sleep. As a matter of fact, the torn RC is
contributing to those problems.
>All of that said, as I'm sure you know, you can suffer some miserable
>long-term problems if you don't have surgery and it doesn't heal well and
>continues to cause pain. Merely reaching up to head height to get a glass
>off a shelf can be problematic, among other daily activities. So I'm not
>trying to scare you off the surgery. In fact, for most folks, I would
>have to come down on the side of repair. Just have reasonable
>expectations for the post-op weeks and plan for good PT for at least 4-6
>months.
thinks the tear is small enough that strengthening the surrounding
muscles will enable me to live with the tear without significant pain.
The truth is that it doesn't really hurt all that much most of the
time. Unfortunately, it's just uncomfortable enough to make it hard
to sleep. Also, the fitness program I'm trying to follow involves
resistance training, that the tear interferes with that.
>Whatever you do, good luck. (And follow my advice on the activities;
>especially, no more military presses, barbell or dumbbell, and no more lat
>pull-downs or pull ups.)
exercise as long as it doesn't cause significant discomfort. I
actually don't have any trouble with lat pulldowns. I can even do
shoulder presses if I keep the weight level right about the minimum. I
do need to be careful not to over-exert myself, which I sometimes have
a tendency to do.
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