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O-PGManager
Apr 22, 2013, 11:30:03 PM4/22/13
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The police narrative on the death of the older suspect:
Backup arrived and a massive gunfight ensued, including more homemade
explosive devices. Eventually Tamerlan came out from cover and
approached the officers, firing as he did. He then ran out of ammo and
officers took their chance.
"He runs out of ammunition, the bad guy, and so one of my police
officers comes off the side, tackles him in the street trying to get
him handcuffed, there's two or three officers handcuffing him in the
street...at the same time, at the last minute, they obviously have
tunnel vision, very, very stressful situation, one of them yells out
"look out" and here comes the black SUV, the carjacked car, directly
at them. They dive out of the way and he runs over his brother, and
drags him a short distance down the street悠n effect killing his
brother?雄es, that's what we think." *
-----------
When I first read this I just kind of nodded, ok, that's the story.
But after hearing the eyewitness report that this is absolutely not what
happened, that instead it was the police who ran over the suspect and then
pumped him full of bullets **... it occurred to me - WOW, what a really
really ridiculous story the cops told. They were supposedly in a chase
with the guy throwing pipe bombs and shooting at them, keeps shooting at
them, jumps out and is shooting at him, then he runs out of ammunition...
and he doesn't get mowed down right then and there?? The cops somehow
know it's safe to put down their guns and try to take him on hand to hand?
I mean you've got to be kidding me. This is clearly NOT how it happened.
Makes you wonder about the entire chase narrative, and everything else.
The facts the cops would tell such a ridiculous lie means they can't be
trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
Police narrative:
*
http://deadspin.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-may-have-killed-his-brother-476618853
Eyewitness contradicting story:
**
http://audio.weei.com/a/73784687/linda-calls-in-to-describe-the-scene-on-dexter-st-in-watertown.htm
Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
Backup arrived and a massive gunfight ensued, including more homemade
explosive devices. Eventually Tamerlan came out from cover and
approached the officers, firing as he did. He then ran out of ammo and
officers took their chance.
"He runs out of ammunition, the bad guy, and so one of my police
officers comes off the side, tackles him in the street trying to get
him handcuffed, there's two or three officers handcuffing him in the
street...at the same time, at the last minute, they obviously have
tunnel vision, very, very stressful situation, one of them yells out
"look out" and here comes the black SUV, the carjacked car, directly
at them. They dive out of the way and he runs over his brother, and
drags him a short distance down the street悠n effect killing his
brother?雄es, that's what we think." *
-----------
When I first read this I just kind of nodded, ok, that's the story.
But after hearing the eyewitness report that this is absolutely not what
happened, that instead it was the police who ran over the suspect and then
pumped him full of bullets **... it occurred to me - WOW, what a really
really ridiculous story the cops told. They were supposedly in a chase
with the guy throwing pipe bombs and shooting at them, keeps shooting at
them, jumps out and is shooting at him, then he runs out of ammunition...
and he doesn't get mowed down right then and there?? The cops somehow
know it's safe to put down their guns and try to take him on hand to hand?
I mean you've got to be kidding me. This is clearly NOT how it happened.
Makes you wonder about the entire chase narrative, and everything else.
The facts the cops would tell such a ridiculous lie means they can't be
trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
Police narrative:
*
http://deadspin.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-may-have-killed-his-brother-476618853
Eyewitness contradicting story:
**
http://audio.weei.com/a/73784687/linda-calls-in-to-describe-the-scene-on-dexter-st-in-watertown.htm
Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
risky biz
Apr 23, 2013, 11:33:11 AM4/23/13
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to surrender when they ran him down with a vehicle and then got out and
pumped him full of lead.
VegasJerry
Apr 23, 2013, 4:18:08 PM4/23/13
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Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state it as fact," bullshit. You guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
"I am a racist. I hate niggers and spics and slants. I was born here.
We are not Africans. They stand on the corner and they can't speak
English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: These knuckleheads
say, Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where
he work, Who you be... These lower economic people are not holding up
their end. These People put their clothes on backward, their hats on
backward, pants down around the crack. With names like Shaniqua,
Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap. The same applies to 99
percent of all the black Americans. What part of Africa did they come
from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I should have included
kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
-- Susan the right-wing racist (April 11, 10:50 am)
"I am a racist. I hate niggers and spics and slants. I was born here.
We are not Africans. They stand on the corner and they can't speak
English. I can't even talk the way these people talk: These knuckleheads
say, Why you ain't, Where you is, What he drive, Where he stay, Where
he work, Who you be... These lower economic people are not holding up
their end. These People put their clothes on backward, their hats on
backward, pants down around the crack. With names like Shaniqua,
Taliqua and Mohammed and all of that crap. The same applies to 99
percent of all the black Americans. What part of Africa did they come
from? We have got to take the neighborhoods back. I should have included
kikes and lesbos too. Put all of them are in jail."
-- Susan the right-wing racist (April 11, 10:50 am)
Adam Russell
Apr 23, 2013, 5:35:12 PM4/23/13
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On 4/23/2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state it as fact," bullshit. You guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
Thats why we have trials instead of believing what the tv tells us.
> Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state it as fact," bullshit. You guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
otter
Apr 23, 2013, 7:39:56 PM4/23/13
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On Apr 22, 10:30 pm, "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> The police narrative on the death of the older suspect:
>
> Backup arrived and a massive gunfight ensued, including more homemade
> explosive devices. Eventually Tamerlan came out from cover and
> approached the officers, firing as he did. He then ran out of ammo and
> officers took their chance.
>
> "He runs out of ammunition, the bad guy, and so one of my police
> officers comes off the side, tackles him in the street trying to get
> him handcuffed, there's two or three officers handcuffing him in the
> street...at the same time, at the last minute, they obviously have
> tunnel vision, very, very stressful situation, one of them yells out
> "look out" and here comes the black SUV, the carjacked car, directly
> at them. They dive out of the way and he runs over his brother, and
> drags him a short distance down the street—In effect killing his
> The police narrative on the death of the older suspect:
>
> Backup arrived and a massive gunfight ensued, including more homemade
> explosive devices. Eventually Tamerlan came out from cover and
> approached the officers, firing as he did. He then ran out of ammo and
> officers took their chance.
>
> "He runs out of ammunition, the bad guy, and so one of my police
> officers comes off the side, tackles him in the street trying to get
> him handcuffed, there's two or three officers handcuffing him in the
> street...at the same time, at the last minute, they obviously have
> tunnel vision, very, very stressful situation, one of them yells out
> "look out" and here comes the black SUV, the carjacked car, directly
> at them. They dive out of the way and he runs over his brother, and
> brother?—Yes, that's what we think." *
>
> -----------
>
> When I first read this I just kind of nodded, ok, that's the story.
> But after hearing the eyewitness report that this is absolutely not what
> happened, that instead it was the police who ran over the suspect and then
> pumped him full of bullets **... it occurred to me - WOW, what a really
> really ridiculous story the cops told. They were supposedly in a chase
> with the guy throwing pipe bombs and shooting at them, keeps shooting at
> them, jumps out and is shooting at him, then he runs out of ammunition...
> and he doesn't get mowed down right then and there?? The cops somehow
> know it's safe to put down their guns and try to take him on hand to hand?
> I mean you've got to be kidding me. This is clearly NOT how it happened.
> Makes you wonder about the entire chase narrative, and everything else.
> The facts the cops would tell such a ridiculous lie means they can't be
> trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
>
> Police narrative:
> *http://deadspin.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-may-have-killed-his-brother-476...
> -----------
>
> When I first read this I just kind of nodded, ok, that's the story.
> But after hearing the eyewitness report that this is absolutely not what
> happened, that instead it was the police who ran over the suspect and then
> pumped him full of bullets **... it occurred to me - WOW, what a really
> really ridiculous story the cops told. They were supposedly in a chase
> with the guy throwing pipe bombs and shooting at them, keeps shooting at
> them, jumps out and is shooting at him, then he runs out of ammunition...
> and he doesn't get mowed down right then and there?? The cops somehow
> know it's safe to put down their guns and try to take him on hand to hand?
> I mean you've got to be kidding me. This is clearly NOT how it happened.
> Makes you wonder about the entire chase narrative, and everything else.
> The facts the cops would tell such a ridiculous lie means they can't be
> trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
>
> Police narrative:
>
> Eyewitness contradicting story:
> **http://audio.weei.com/a/73784687/linda-calls-in-to-describe-the-scene...
>
> Opie G. Manager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
Seems like it would be stupid for the police to try to lie about what
> Opie G. Manager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
happened. What would be their motivation? And they would have the
problem that the blood and flesh would be on the wrong car, and have
to cover that up, too. And the problem that there were a lot of
witnesses to the scene. Occam's razor tells me that this witness just
confused the black Mercedes SUV that the bombers were driving with "a
police SUV".
Speaking of witnesses, here is one that was taking pictures:
http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/pictures-of-boston-bombers-shooting/
BillB
Apr 23, 2013, 7:52:57 PM4/23/13
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the very room in his own residence from which he witnessed *and
photographed* the whole incident, which unfolded directly outside his
home and below his window, and he essentially backed up everything the
police said.
In case you somehow haven't already noticed, Opie is an extremely
gullible person who is eager to believe any story that reinforces his
childlike, left-wing world view.
otter
Apr 23, 2013, 7:56:30 PM4/23/13
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http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/pictures-of-boston-bombers-shooting/
Yeah, it backed up the police story completely.
risky biz
Apr 23, 2013, 9:18:00 PM4/23/13
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risky biz
Apr 23, 2013, 9:24:13 PM4/23/13
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On Apr 23 2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state it as
fact," bullshit. You guys
> are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
By the way- do you understand the meaning of the words "based on" and
> Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state it as
fact," bullshit. You guys
> are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
"plausible", DIMWIT?
risky biz
Apr 23, 2013, 9:27:59 PM4/23/13
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> > The facts the cops would tell such a ridiculous lie means they can't be
> > trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
> >
> > Police narrative:
> > *http://deadspin.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-may-have-killed-his-brother-476...
> >
> > Eyewitness contradicting story:
> > **http://audio.weei.com/a/73784687/linda-calls-in-to-describe-the-scene....
> > trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
> >
> > Police narrative:
> > *http://deadspin.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-may-have-killed-his-brother-476...
> >
> > Eyewitness contradicting story:
> >
> > Opie G. Manager
> > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
>
> Seems like it would be stupid for the police to try to lie about what
> happened. What would be their motivation? And they would have the
> problem that the blood and flesh would be on the wrong car, and have
> to cover that up, too. And the problem that there were a lot of
> witnesses to the scene. Occam's razor tells me that this witness just
> confused the black Mercedes SUV that the bombers were driving with "a
> police SUV".
>
> Speaking of witnesses, here is one that was taking pictures:
> http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/pictures-of-boston-bombers-shooting/
It may be a shocking assertion to you but police officers have been caught
> > Opie G. Manager
> > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
>
> Seems like it would be stupid for the police to try to lie about what
> happened. What would be their motivation? And they would have the
> problem that the blood and flesh would be on the wrong car, and have
> to cover that up, too. And the problem that there were a lot of
> witnesses to the scene. Occam's razor tells me that this witness just
> confused the black Mercedes SUV that the bombers were driving with "a
> police SUV".
>
> Speaking of witnesses, here is one that was taking pictures:
> http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/pictures-of-boston-bombers-shooting/
lying quite often. It's difficult to really know why until after the lie
has been discovered.
The photos contradict the testimony of the eyewitness. Just another
example of eyewitnesses not being very reliable. Sometimes people just
like to listen to themselves talk. BillB and Jerry, for example.
O-PGManager
Apr 23, 2013, 9:46:43 PM4/23/13
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> > The facts the cops would tell such a ridiculous lie means they can't be
> > trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
> >
> > Police narrative:
> > *http://deadspin.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-may-have-killed-his-brother-476...
> >
> > Eyewitness contradicting story:
> > **http://audio.weei.com/a/73784687/linda-calls-in-to-describe-the-scene....
> > trusted. I truly hope for a fair trial where everything can be looked at.
> >
> > Police narrative:
> > *http://deadspin.com/dzhokhar-tsarnaev-may-have-killed-his-brother-476...
> >
> > Eyewitness contradicting story:
> >
> > Opie G. Manager
> > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
>
> Seems like it would be stupid for the police to try to lie about what
> happened. What would be their motivation? And they would have the
> problem that the blood and flesh would be on the wrong car, and have
> to cover that up, too. And the problem that there were a lot of
> witnesses to the scene. Occam's razor tells me that this witness just
> confused the black Mercedes SUV that the bombers were driving with "a
> police SUV".
How does your Occams razor explain the eyewitness reporting older brother
> > Opie G. Manager
> > Rec.Gambling.Poker
> > Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)
>
> Seems like it would be stupid for the police to try to lie about what
> happened. What would be their motivation? And they would have the
> problem that the blood and flesh would be on the wrong car, and have
> to cover that up, too. And the problem that there were a lot of
> witnesses to the scene. Occam's razor tells me that this witness just
> confused the black Mercedes SUV that the bombers were driving with "a
> police SUV".
was shot multiple times AFTER being hit by the car (whether by the police
or by the Mercedes)? How does it explain older brother charging the
police after a firefight and NOT getting shot as they reported? (The
pictures do not back up this part of the story, that witness claims he
doesn't know if the older brother was shot or not).
>
> Speaking of witnesses, here is one that was taking pictures:
> http://www.heavy.com/news/2013/04/pictures-of-boston-bombers-shooting/
otter
Apr 24, 2013, 12:10:20 AM4/24/13
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"police SUV" is probably NOT what happened. OK, that's progress.
Now, do you think the police would bother pumping a bunch of bullets
into the older brother AFTER he was run over by his younger brother
and dragged 30 feet or so? Maybe, so. I have no opinion either way
about that. Maybe the cops thought he was trying to get away. Or
maybe they were actually firing at the SUV which was fleeing the
scene? Either way, I don't much care. When you start shooting at
cops and lobbing bombs and grenades at them, you shouldn't expect
gentle treatment.
otter
Apr 24, 2013, 12:17:31 AM4/24/13
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them, a whole neighborhood watching, and a very high profile case.
Yes, I do have experience with cops lying. But those were times when
it was his word against mine, and no other witnesses. I was a little
shocked when it happened. Cops used to have a thing against guys with
long hair back in the day.
risky biz
Apr 24, 2013, 2:54:02 AM4/24/13
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VegasJerry
Apr 24, 2013, 4:00:47 PM4/24/13
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On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:18:00 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> On Apr 23 2013 2:35 PM, Adam Russell wrote:
>
> > On 4/23/2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > > Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state it as
> fact," bullshit. You
> > guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
> >
> > Thats why we have trials instead of believing what the tv tells us.
Poor stupid risky. Embarrassed beyond all measure; and feeling that if he makes the "last post," he'll have folks forgetting his ignorance; he decided to make up another position for me:
> On Apr 23 2013 2:35 PM, Adam Russell wrote:
>
> > On 4/23/2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > > Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state it as
> fact," bullshit. You
> > guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
> >
> > Thats why we have trials instead of believing what the tv tells us.
.
.> Jerry thinks the TV is the trial. He used to be a cop.
"Last Post" that, you fool.
risky biz
Apr 24, 2013, 4:36:08 PM4/24/13
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On Apr 24 2013 1:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:18:00 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> > On Apr 23 2013 2:35 PM, Adam Russell wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/23/2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > > > Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state
it as
> > fact," bullshit. You
> > > guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
> > >
> > > Thats why we have trials instead of believing what the tv tells us.
>
> Poor stupid risky. Embarrassed beyond all measure; and feeling that if he
makes the "last post,"
> he'll have folks forgetting his ignorance; he decided to make up another
position for me:
>
> .
> ..> Jerry thinks the TV is the trial. He used to be a cop.
> On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:18:00 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> > On Apr 23 2013 2:35 PM, Adam Russell wrote:
> >
> > > On 4/23/2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > > > Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state
it as
> > fact," bullshit. You
> > > guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
> > >
> > > Thats why we have trials instead of believing what the tv tells us.
>
> Poor stupid risky. Embarrassed beyond all measure; and feeling that if he
makes the "last post,"
> he'll have folks forgetting his ignorance; he decided to make up another
position for me:
>
> .
>
> "Last Post" that, you fool.
Jerry, please meet with your physician and discuss the side effects of
> "Last Post" that, you fool.
your medication.
mo_ntresor
Apr 24, 2013, 5:24:30 PM4/24/13
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On Apr 23 2013 10:10 PM, otter wrote:
> OK, so you agree now that the older brother being run over by a
> "police SUV" is probably NOT what happened. OK, that's progress.
> Now, do you think the police would bother pumping a bunch of bullets
> into the older brother AFTER he was run over by his younger brother
> and dragged 30 feet or so? Maybe, so. I have no opinion either way
> about that. Maybe the cops thought he was trying to get away. Or
> maybe they were actually firing at the SUV which was fleeing the
> scene? Either way, I don't much care. When you start shooting at
> cops and lobbing bombs and grenades at them, you shouldn't expect
> gentle treatment.
there's a conspiracy in here somewhere, and opie's run out of other stuff
> OK, so you agree now that the older brother being run over by a
> "police SUV" is probably NOT what happened. OK, that's progress.
> Now, do you think the police would bother pumping a bunch of bullets
> into the older brother AFTER he was run over by his younger brother
> and dragged 30 feet or so? Maybe, so. I have no opinion either way
> about that. Maybe the cops thought he was trying to get away. Or
> maybe they were actually firing at the SUV which was fleeing the
> scene? Either way, I don't much care. When you start shooting at
> cops and lobbing bombs and grenades at them, you shouldn't expect
> gentle treatment.
to read. give him an answer that's outside perceived reality.
mo_ntresor
VegasJerry
Apr 25, 2013, 1:11:49 PM4/25/13
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On Wednesday, April 24, 2013 1:36:08 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> On Apr 24 2013 1:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:18:00 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> > > On Apr 23 2013 2:35 PM, Adam Russell wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 4/23/2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > > > > Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state
> it as
> > > fact," bullshit. You
> > > > guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
> > > >
> > > > Thats why we have trials instead of believing what the tv tells us.
> >
> > Poor stupid risky. Embarrassed beyond all measure; and feeling that if he
> makes the "last post,"
> > he'll have folks forgetting his ignorance; he decided to make up another
> position for me:
> >
> > .
> > ..> Jerry thinks the TV is the trial. He used to be a cop.
.
> On Apr 24 2013 1:00 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
>
> > On Tuesday, April 23, 2013 6:18:00 PM UTC-7, risky biz wrote:
> > > On Apr 23 2013 2:35 PM, Adam Russell wrote:
> > >
> > > > On 4/23/2013 1:18 PM, VegasJerry wrote:
> > > > > Ah! Here comes the old, "I'll bet it happened this way so I'll state
> it as
> > > fact," bullshit. You
> > > > guys are a predictable as diarrhea after prunes.
> > > >
> > > > Thats why we have trials instead of believing what the tv tells us.
> >
> > Poor stupid risky. Embarrassed beyond all measure; and feeling that if he
> makes the "last post,"
> > he'll have folks forgetting his ignorance; he decided to make up another
> position for me:
> >
> > .
> > ..> Jerry thinks the TV is the trial. He used to be a cop.
.> > "Last Post" that, you fool.
And he does!
.
.> Jerry, please meet with your physician and discuss the side effects of
> your medication.
What a moron. LAST POST IT AGAIN, MORON!
(Watch this - he simply cannot help himself….)
O-PGManager
Apr 28, 2013, 2:03:25 PM4/28/13
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officials to tell the truth. Someone is not telling the truth here - and
your occam's razor explanation that she misidentified one SUV for another
does not resolve the discrepancy.
When you start shooting at
> cops and lobbing bombs and grenades at them, you shouldn't expect
> gentle treatment.
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