Hong Kong To Macau Bridge: $4.5 Billion Agreement
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Alim Nassor
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I like riding the ferry. The view is awesome.
Iceman
The Hong Kong-Macau ferry I took, you had to sit down in the center of
the boat with a seatbelt on, and couldn't see anything. Maybe it was
a special high-speed ferry.
The view from Hong Kong's regular Star Ferry was awesome.
Necron99
> On Mar 24, 9:01 pm, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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> > On Mar 24, 9:56 am, Travel <nine...@webtv.net> wrote:
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> > >http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article/banks-to-fund-major-macau...
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> > I like riding the ferry. The view is awesome.
>
> The Hong Kong-Macau ferry I took, you had to sit down in the center of
> the boat with a seatbelt on, and couldn't see anything. Maybe it was
> a special high-speed ferry.
That would be the hydrofoil.
>
> The view from Hong Kong's regular Star Ferry was awesome.
That would be the slow boat to china! And yes, very scenic trip.
brewmaster
> On Mar 25, 3:10 pm, Iceman <oneofc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > On Mar 24, 9:01 pm, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> >
> > > On Mar 24, 9:56 am, Travel <nine...@webtv.net> wrote:
> >
> > >
>http://www.casinocitytimes.com/news/article/banks-to-fund-major-macau....
> >
> > > I like riding the ferry. The view is awesome.
> >
> > The Hong Kong-Macau ferry I took, you had to sit down in the center of
> > the boat with a seatbelt on, and couldn't see anything. Maybe it was
> > a special high-speed ferry.
>
> That would be the hydrofoil.
> >
> > The view from Hong Kong's regular Star Ferry was awesome.
>
> That would be the slow boat to china! And yes, very scenic trip.
Out on the ocean
Far from all the commotion
Melting your heart of stone
Honey I'd love to get you
On a slow boat to China
All by myself alone
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Travel
Yes, taking the ferries would be one of the highlights of a trip to
Hong Kong, in and of itself.
With a Hong Kong to Macau bridge, I'm thinking that, for a first time
vistor, especially, that is, one who wants to see both Hong Kong/
Kowloon AND Macau, you could base yourself at a Hong Kong hotel in
order to have easy access to seeing Hong Kong, and also take multiple,
quick-commuting casino trips to Macau. After a long poker session,
you could just roll out the front door of the casino, into a cab and
right to the door of your Hong Kong hotel. No fuss no muss.
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susan
"Iceman"
>> I like riding the ferry. The view is awesome.
>The Hong Kong-Macau ferry I took, you had to sit down in the center of
>the boat with a seatbelt on, and couldn't see anything. Maybe it was
>a special high-speed ferry.
>The view from Hong Kong's regular Star Ferry was awesome.
I think you rode a hovercraft, not a ferry.
VegasJerry
Sarah Palin wants a bridge off ramp to Nowhere Alaska.
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Iceman
That was probably it. Macau was very cool, with its old Portuguese
architecture and lively street markets - a definite highlight of my
trip to that area. And this was before they had poker.
Bea Deviled~~~~>
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China is building super structures to boost its infrastructure. The US
is argueing that taxing TP to fix sewers is anti-American. Our
highways are falling apart, our airports are antiquated and over used,
our trains are a joke; and yet people worry we might be turning
"socialist". Well, whatever China is, I wish we were that.
number6
> China is building super structures to boost its infrastructure. The US
> is argueing that taxing TP to fix sewers is anti-American. Our
> highways are falling apart, our airports are antiquated and over used,
> our trains are a joke; and yet people worry we might be turning
> "socialist". Well, whatever China is, I wish we were that.
No EPA ... no OSHA ... no unions ... low wages ... no regulations ...
Travel
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She could fund it herself on pocket change, now. How's that grabya,
Turd?
Bea Deviled~~~~>
Well, I see you've drunk your share of the KoolAid. People get the
death penalty for violations of eviormental and worker safety laws.
The wages may seem low to you because of the exchange rate, but they
are growing a middle class at an amazing rate. They have more middle
class citzens as there are people in the USA.
As far as unions, I don't feel like researching all the ins and outs
of Chinese work unions, but I will venture to state the entire country
is one big labor union. What they do lack is royalty and multi-
generational wealthy families.
Travel
Professors make about $3,000 a year in China and are powerless in
university decision making on any level, for example. The Communist
Party makes all the decisions. The Communist party in the same way
makes all the decisions in land allocation, where the money's spent,
what's built and what's not built.
Also, China's economy doesn't even come anywhere near the United
States' economy, or "the people's" standard of living.
You can always give up your US citizenship. Let us know when you do
that.
Bea Deviled~~~~>
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> Professors make about $3,000 a year in China
That seems small to you because of the exchange rate.
and are powerless in
> university decision making on any level, for example.
So you think college professors should have more power?
The Communist
> Party makes all the decisions. The Communist party in the same way
> makes all the decisions in land allocation, where the money's spent,
> what's built and what's not built.
>
> Also, China's economy doesn't even come anywhere near the United
> States' economy, or "the people's" standard of living.
>
Let us have this conversation in a few years. The USA used to be the
richest nation in the world, since 1984 we have spiraled down to the
point where we owe more than any other country.
Every one of those Chinese middle class will be wanting a car and a
summer house. Wait until we get some real competition. I see a future
where Chinese tourists come to America for sex junkets and our
grandchildren will be happy to serve for a few yen.
Iceman
> On Mar 25, 9:26 am, number6 <snumb...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > On Mar 25, 12:19 pm, "Bea Deviled~~~~>" <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
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> > > China is building super structures to boost its infrastructure. The US
> > > is argueing that taxing TP to fix sewers is anti-American. Our
> > > highways are falling apart, our airports are antiquated and over used,
> > > our trains are a joke; and yet people worry we might be turning
> > > "socialist". Well, whatever China is, I wish we were that.
>
> > No EPA ... no OSHA ... no unions ... low wages ... no regulations ...
>
> Well, I see you've drunk your share of the KoolAid. People get the
> death penalty for violations of eviormental and worker safety laws.
> The wages may seem low to you because of the exchange rate, but they
> are growing a middle class at an amazing rate. They have more middle
> class citzens as there are people in the USA.
People often say that about China and India, but it's not true, unless
you define middle-class as a per capita income of $1,000 per year.
That might be a lot in their countries compared to peasants and
subsistence farmers and sweatshop workers, but it's not remotely
comparable to Western living standards. At most 10-20 million Chinese
and 10-20 million Indians have living standards that might be
considered "middle-class" by US standards, and that's out of more than
1 billion in each country.
> As far as unions, I don't feel like researching all the ins and outs
> of Chinese work unions, but I will venture to state the entire country
> is one big labor union.
In theory, not in practice. The fact that China is a total
dictatorship that doesn't allow independent unions means that workers
are close to totally powerless. And there are so many desperately
poor people willing to accept any job that employers can force their
workers to accept minimal wages and terrible conditions, since they
can easily be replaced and they know that.
> What they do lack is royalty and multi-generational wealthy families.
The leadership have huge power, and so do many local officials in
their own territories.
VegasJerry
I could raise my standard of living by running up my credit cards. The US
has a high standard of living because we borrowed. If and when we start
paying it back, our standard of living will drop.
My niece and her husband left Santa Barbara for Singapore to look for work
and drift around. The cost of living there is higher than it is here.
Presently, China has cornered the market in concrete and rebar. They are
building like crazy and are on the way to surpassing us.
Jerry 'n Vegas
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My ex has a stomach of steel - (I can throw up thinking about being on a
boat) Crossing the English Channel on a hovercraft was the one and only
time I ever saw him throw up. It was a special day when the waves were the
perfect height to mercilessly slap the bottom of the hovercraft - even the
attendants were sick. Most people I know have no problem on them.
Bea Deviled~~~~>
Et tu Jerry, et tu?
"We" didn't borrow. The wages of middle class people didn't rise,
even though the GDP rose. What happened was that there have been great
fortunes amassed from selling out the country. The people who
benifited the most should be paying it back.
Iceman
A lot of times in my travels I've had to choose between a nauseating
but fast boat, and a ridiculously slow regular ferry - Hong Kong-
Macau, Spain-Morocco, Athens-Greek islands, England-France. Usually,
whichever one I take there, I take the opposite one back - either I'm
frustrated by how slow it was, or I don't want to feel nauseated
again...
number6
> On Mar 25, 9:26 am, number6 <snumb...@aol.com> wrote:
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> > On Mar 25, 12:19 pm, "Bea Deviled~~~~>" <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote:
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> > > China is building super structures to boost its infrastructure. The US
> > > is argueing that taxing TP to fix sewers is anti-American. Our
> > > highways are falling apart, our airports are antiquated and over used,
> > > our trains are a joke; and yet people worry we might be turning
> > > "socialist". Well, whatever China is, I wish we were that.
>
> > No EPA ... no OSHA ... no unions ... low wages ... no regulations ...
>
> Well, I see you've drunk your share of the KoolAid. People get the
> death penalty for violations of eviormental and worker safety laws.
Fuck You asshole .. I've seen it ... Joint business ventures ... what
we pay $3000 a truck to treat and dispose of they use for road
fill ....
Worker in front of a molten pot of metal skinning off the dross ..
BAREFOOT ... asked why .. He wouldn't want his shoes ruined if some
splashed on them ...
There are a ton from PERSONAL knowledge ... not a "I know what I know
" lunacy from a left wing IDIOT ..
Hey Kool Aid drinker .. Suck on Obama's cock some more ...
Alim Nassor
I'll contribute towards your one way ticket.
Alim Nassor
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Nausea is the worst feeling. When I first started going to Malaysia,
I rode cabs everywhere. Month at a time, to and from work. I'd get
sick every morning and evening because of their driving style. I
guess I finally willed myself into being cured of motion sickness. I
never get it now. Ever. We took a snorkeling trip two weeks ago from
Phu Quoc Vietnam. Pretty rough seas and a twisty van ride to get
there. I never got the slightest bit sick. My wife with her iron gut
got a bit queasy.
Bea Deviled~~~~>
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Aren't you the traitor that helped outsource some American jobs? You
did get paid-- what, 30 pieces of silver? And now you think you can
outsource me? My what a load you are.
Alim Nassor
She is as clueless as Beldin is. Good God I've seen work practices
in Asia that make me cringe. Solvent spills just washed into the
storm sewer, Workers climbing steel structures with no harness,
walking across 2x10's 50 feet up carrying a load of brick or mortar
with no safety gear. Lot's of other things you just have to shake
your head at. Shit the traffic alone is death defying. But she read
it on Google and is an expert.
Alim Nassor
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Gee sounds like Risky Biz is back. I'm still getting paid dickwad.
Travel
> On Mar 25, 1:43 pm, Travel <nine...@webtv.net> wrote:
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>
>
> > Professors make about $3,000 a year in China
>
> That seems small to you because of the exchange rate.
Huh? No, it's the equivalent. They're dirt poor.
>
> and are powerless in
>
> > university decision making on any level, for example.
>
> So you think college professors should have more power?
>
You deliberately miss the point, of course: they have no decision
making ability. The Communist Party makes the decisions. It's all
government controlled. "get it."
> The Communist
>
> > Party makes all the decisions. The Communist party in the same way
> > makes all the decisions in land allocation, where the money's spent,
> > what's built and what's not built.
>
> > Also, China's economy doesn't even come anywhere near the United
> > States' economy, or "the people's" standard of living.
>
> Let us have this conversation in a few years. The USA used to be the
> richest nation in the world, since 1984 we have spiraled down to the
> point where we owe more than any other country.
>
Don't be ridiculous. The United States is far and away the biggest
world economy.
Every one of those Chinese middle class will be wanting a car and a
> summer house. Wait until we get some real competition. I see a future
> where Chinese tourists come to America for sex junkets and our
> grandchildren will be happy to serve for a few yen.
You have a delusional idea of the standard of living in China.
VegasJerry
>
> "We" didn't borrow.
Yea, we did. We borrow and put people to work building. We borrow and give
it to arms manufacturers. I can borrow and put people to work building me
a new car and house. Everybody will prosper; until the bill comes due.
In reality, I owe nothing. My standard of living is real and will not
falter because I'd have to abandon the house and sell the car. Our country
has a high standard of living, but it must be paid for; and that will
lower that standard of living.
> The wages of middle class people didn't rise,
> even though the GDP rose. What happened was that there have been great
> fortunes amassed from selling out the country. The people who
> benifited the most should be paying it back.
We all benefited.
Jerry 'n (benefitted) Vegas
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Bea Deviled~~~~>
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>
> We all benefited.
>
Did we? You have posted charts and graphs that show the middle class
incomes have not increased, yet the GDP has. And the poor have
suffered setbacks.
The thing with China, even though they do not yet have a standard of
living comparable to the US, there is a degree of fairness in that
China lacks the extremes of wealth that US has.
Going hungry is difficult, it may not be easier when all your country
men are starving, but it is many times harder when you see others
being gluttons.
Iceman
I found most Asian cabs didn't make me nauseous because they were
stuck in traffic too often to get any real speed!
Hong Kong's Lantau island bus to get to the giant Buddha on the
mountain was the worst. It's just constant twisting and turning the
whole way up the mountain.
Iceman
> On Mar 26, 6:52 am, "VegasJerry" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:
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> > We all benefited.
>
> Did we? You have posted charts and graphs that show the middle class
> incomes have not increased, yet the GDP has. And the poor have
> suffered setbacks.
>
> The thing with China, even though they do not yet have a standard of
> living comparable to the US, there is a degree of fairness in that
> China lacks the extremes of wealth that US has.
That hasn't been true for many years. China is rapidly developing
extreme wealth disparities, especially in its cities.
Travel
Also, party officials (and there are a LOT of them; they're in every
facet of society and business, etc.) live quite well, have limo
drivers and make multiple times the income of even the "professional
class" (which is low paid).
The relative class-wealth disparities are definitely there in China,
the same as they were in the former Soviet Union: it's just mainly
based on political class.
number6
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>
> The thing with China, even though they do not yet have a standard of
> living comparable to the US, there is a degree of fairness in that
> China lacks the extremes of wealth that US has.
>
Why don't you shut up and stop digging a deeper hole ...
Travel
BillB
"Bea Deviled~~~~>" <BeaF...@msn.com> wrote in message
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> The thing with China, even though they do not yet have a standard of
>living comparable to the US, there is a degree of fairness in that
>China lacks the extremes of wealth that US has.
Actually, China has a GINI Coefficient similar to the US. The main
difference is that income inequality in China is very strongly correlated
with urban/rural residence. In the US income inequality is much more
dependent on the color of your skin.
Travel
> "Bea Deviled~~~~>" <BeaFor...@msn.com> wrote in message
Yes, the US has the Affirmative Action law where white males are
penalized for the color of their skin and gender.
There are no laws preventing blacks from getting an education or trade
and working, but so many just like dropping out of school, gaming the
system, and being on everything-for-free-Welfare.
And then there's the race baiters, who don't want you to know this.
Alim Nassor
> On Mar 26, 6:52 am, "VegasJerry" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote:
> .
>
> > We all benefited.
>
> Did we? You have posted charts and graphs that show the middle class
> incomes have not increased, yet the GDP has. And the poor have
> suffered setbacks.
>
> The thing with China, even though they do not yet have a standard of
> living comparable to the US, there is a degree of fairness in that
> China lacks the extremes of wealth that US has.
China now has more billionaires than any other country besides the
United States, according to Forbes magazine.
Alim Nassor
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The forward backwards motion used to cause me the worst discomfort.