He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
@rupertmurdoch
Rupert Murdoch
Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
@rupertmurdoch
Rupert Murdoch
Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
> releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
> 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> @rupertmurdoch
> Rupert Murdoch
> Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
> November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> @rupertmurdoch
> Rupert Murdoch
> Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
> Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
Gaza since January 2012.
> On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
> > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
> > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > @rupertmurdoch
> > Rupert Murdoch
> > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
> > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > @rupertmurdoch
> > Rupert Murdoch
> > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
> > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
> Gaza since January 2012.
In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
ceasefire.
It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
news media.
>> On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>> He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
>>> releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
>>> 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
>>> @rupertmurdoch
>>> Rupert Murdoch
>>> Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
>>> November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
>>> @rupertmurdoch
>>> Rupert Murdoch
>>> Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
>>> Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
>>> November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
>> As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
>> Gaza since January 2012.
> In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
> when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
> That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
> Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
> while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
> ceasefire.
> It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
> news media.
Here are over 5000 repeats of your copy and paste:
<AlimNass...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
>> releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
>> 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
>> @rupertmurdoch
>> Rupert Murdoch
>> Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
>> November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
>> @rupertmurdoch
>> Rupert Murdoch
>> Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
>> Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
>> November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
>As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
>Gaza since January 2012.
Hang onto your hat.
It's DejaVuAllOverAgain.
I don't know if you were around during the last kerfuffle when Israel
was attacked from Lebanon, and responded with attacks on Hezbollah
targets in Lebanon.
The Usual Suspects, AKA the Hamas/Hezbollah Terrorist Apologists were
all over it, explaining that the Israelis were Eeeevil people,
over-reacting and punishing those innocent Terrorist organizations.
Same song, next verse.
This time, it's those innocent Hamas Terrorists in Gaza who are being
unfairly attacked.
Wait for the Usual Suspects to call upon the US to urge that the
Israelis exercise restraint.
Evidently Hamas has decided that now that Obama has won re-election,
he has new "flexibility", and not only in dealing with Russia.
Unfortunately, the Israeli leadership has noted Obama's policy of
sucking up to our enemies and dissing our Allies.
Just a coinkydink that Hamas has elected to escalate their attacks
with Iranian supplied missiles right after the election?
I don't think so.
-----------------------------------------------------------
The only thing we can learn from history is that we can't learn
anything from history.
<risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
>> On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>> > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
>> > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
>> > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
>> > @rupertmurdoch
>> > Rupert Murdoch
>> > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
>> > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
>> > @rupertmurdoch
>> > Rupert Murdoch
>> > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
>> > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
>> > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
>> As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
>> Gaza since January 2012.
>In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
>Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
>when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
>That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
>Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
>firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
>while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
>attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
>ceasefire.
Yeah, right.
Hamas is always ready for a ceasefire.
That is, of course, when they are getting the worst of it.
It's that Hudna thing.
Just who do you think you're fooling?
I was born in the morning, but it wasn't yesterday morning.
>It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
>news media.
Personally, I believe very little of what I read in American news
media.
I believe almost none of what I read from Hamas Terrorist Apologist
like you.
Maybe the Hamas Terrorists in Gaza should stop their rocket attacks
into Israel?
> > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
> > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
> > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
> > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
> > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
> > Gaza since January 2012.
> In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
> when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
> That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
> Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
> while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
> ceasefire.
> It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
> news media.
Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
> > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
> > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
> > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
> > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
> > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
> > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
> > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
> > Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
> > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
> > ceasefire.
> > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
> > news media.
> Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
Are you saying this is a lie?
"In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent"
> > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army press
> > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out only
> > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every crisis?
> > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
> > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
> > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
> > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
> > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
> > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
> > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
> > > ceasefire.
> > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
> > > news media.
> > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> Are you saying this is a lie?
> "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent"
I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army
press
> > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out
only
> > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every
crisis?
> > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
> > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
> > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
recent
> > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
vehicle.
> > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
Occupation
> > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old
boy
> > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate
a
> > > > ceasefire.
> > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
> > > > news media.
> > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent"
> I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
> it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
> mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
> to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do you so
quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your version?
From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over again
that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army
> press
> > > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving out
> only
> > > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every
> crisis?
> > > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position precarious.
> > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel from
> > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> recent
> > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
> vehicle.
> > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
> Occupation
> > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old
> boy
> > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate
> a
> > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in American
> > > > > news media.
> > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent"
> > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
> > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
> > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
> > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do you so
> quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your version?
> From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over again
> that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> On Nov 18, 10:08 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 18 2012 8:58 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army
> > press
> > > > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving
out
> > only
> > > > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every
> > crisis?
> > > > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position
precarious.
> > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel
from
> > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
after
> > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> > recent
> > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
> > vehicle.
> > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
> > Occupation
> > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into
Gaza
> > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year
old
> > boy
> > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more
rocket
> > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to
facilitate
> > a
> > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in
American
> > > > > > news media.
> > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
recent"
> > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
> > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
> > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
> > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do you so
> > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your version?
> > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over again
> > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
> Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
> last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz that
was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if you
want but you have to pay for it there:
"Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post,
and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
release of Gilad Shalit."
"Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike
against terror cells."
"In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the
shooting of rockets—but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces
in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that
Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions,
and on itself."
"The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
possibility of a long term ceasefire."
So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't want
to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that they
are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all over
the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
> > On Nov 18, 10:08 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 18 2012 8:58 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli army
> > > press
> > > > > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than leaving
> out
> > > only
> > > > > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in every
> > > crisis?
> > > > > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position
> precarious.
> > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment.
> > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at Israel
> from
> > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
> after
> > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> > > recent
> > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
> > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
> > > Occupation
> > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into
> Gaza
> > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year
> old
> > > boy
> > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more
> rocket
> > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to
> facilitate
> > > a
> > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in
> American
> > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> recent"
> > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
> > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
> > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
> > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do you so
> > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your version?
> > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over again
> > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
> > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
> > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz that
> was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if you
> want but you have to pay for it there:
> "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
> Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post,
> and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> release of Gilad Shalit."
> "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
> results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
> escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
> that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
> the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike
> against terror cells."
> "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the
> shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces
> in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that
> Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
> reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions,
> and on itself."
> "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
> have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't want
> to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that they
> are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all over
> the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
the meaning is vastly different
"Since
that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
strike
against terror cells.""
This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
retaliation to that. Not what you said.
.
> On Nov 19, 12:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 18 2012 10:16 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > On Nov 18, 10:08 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18 2012 8:58 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli
army
> > > > press
> > > > > > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than
leaving
> > out
> > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in
every
> > > > crisis?
> > > > > > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position
> > precarious.
> > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment..
> > > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at
Israel
> > from
> > > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
> > after
> > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the
most
> > > > recent
> > > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense
Forces
> > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
> > > > Occupation
> > > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion
into
> > Gaza
> > > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13
year
> > old
> > > > boy
> > > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more
> > rocket
> > > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to
> > facilitate
> > > > a
> > > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in
> > American
> > > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> > > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
after
> > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> > recent"
> > > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
> > > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
> > > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
> > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do
you so
> > > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your version?
> > > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over again
> > > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> > > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
> > > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> > > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
> > > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> > Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz that
> > was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if you
> > want but you have to pay for it there:
> > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
> > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post,
> > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> > release of Gilad Shalit."
> > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
> > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
> > escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
> > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
> > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike
> > against terror cells."
> > "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the
> > shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces
> > in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that
> > Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
> > reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions,
> > and on itself."
> > "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> > possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> > So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
> > have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't want
> > to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that they
> > are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> > massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all over
> > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
> Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
> the meaning is vastly different
> "Since
> that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
> ago,
> the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> strike
> against terror cells.""
> This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
> to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
> retaliation to that. Not what you said.
Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:
"In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
Forces – eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
ceasefire."
That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's statement.
I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to introduce it as
if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last year
rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launced after Israeli rocket attacks
against Gaza with the exception of the most recent which was Palestinian
retaliation for a large scale Israeli military incursion which murdered a
13 year old boy who was playing football.
> > On Nov 19, 12:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 18 2012 10:16 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18 2012 8:58 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing Israeli
> army
> > > > > press
> > > > > > > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than
> leaving
> > > out
> > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel in
> every
> > > > > crisis?
> > > > > > > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position
> > > precarious.
> > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of embarrassment..
> > > > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at
> Israel
> > > from
> > > > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
> > > after
> > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the
> most
> > > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense
> Forces
> > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
> > > > > Occupation
> > > > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion
> into
> > > Gaza
> > > > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13
> year
> > > old
> > > > > boy
> > > > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more
> > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to
> > > facilitate
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you read in
> > > American
> > > > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800 rocket
> > > > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
> after
> > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> > > recent"
> > > > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is used
> > > > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and 17
> > > > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a response
> > > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > > > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do
> you so
> > > > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your version?
> > > > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over again
> > > > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > > > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> > > > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
> > > > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> > > > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
> > > > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> > > Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz that
> > > was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if you
> > > want but you have to pay for it there:
> > > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
> > > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem Post,
> > > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> > > release of Gilad Shalit."
> > > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
> > > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
> > > escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
> > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
> > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike
> > > against terror cells."
> > > "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in the
> > > shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open spaces
> > > in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved that
> > > Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
> > > reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other factions,
> > > and on itself."
> > > "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> > > possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> > > So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
> > > have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't want
> > > to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that they
> > > are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> > > massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all over
> > > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
> > Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
> > the meaning is vastly different
> > "Since
> > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
> > ago,
> > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > strike
> > against terror cells.""
> > This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
> > to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
> > retaliation to that. Not what you said.
> Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:
> "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
> when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
> That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
> Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
> while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
> ceasefire."
> That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's statement.
> I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to introduce it as
> if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last year
> rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launced after Israeli rocket attacks
> against Gaza with the exception of the most recent which was Palestinian
> retaliation for a large scale Israeli military incursion which murdered a
> 13 year old boy who was playing football.
> Go ahead, Alim- just press your hands tightly over your ears if reality
> doesn't fit you're preferred myth.
No risky, you misquoted your own cite. Nowhere in your cite does it
say what you say it does.
Heres what your cite says.
"Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
weeks ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
strike
against terror cells."
And here's what you said.
"In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launched after
Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
recent
when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
vehicle."
> On Nov 19, 12:13 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 18 2012 11:13 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > On Nov 19, 12:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > On Nov 18 2012 10:16 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 8:58 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
> > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing
Israeli
> > army
> > > > > > press
> > > > > > > > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than
> > leaving
> > > > out
> > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel
in
> > every
> > > > > > crisis?
> > > > > > > > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position
> > > > precarious.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of
embarrassment..
> > > > > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at
> > Israel
> > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always
launched
> > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of
the
> > most
> > > > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense
> > Forces
> > > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the
Israeli
> > > > > > Occupation
> > > > > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an
incursion
> > into
> > > > Gaza
> > > > > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a
13
> > year
> > > > old
> > > > > > boy
> > > > > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched
more
> > > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to
> > > > facilitate
> > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you
read in
> > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800
rocket
> > > > > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
> > after
> > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the
most
> > > > recent"
> > > > > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is
used
> > > > > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and
17
> > > > > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a
response
> > > > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > > > > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do
> > you so
> > > > > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your
version?
> > > > > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over
again
> > > > > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > > > > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> > > > > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
> > > > > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> > > > > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
> > > > > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> > > > Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz that
> > > > was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if you
> > > > want but you have to pay for it there:
> > > > Assassinating The Chance For Calm
> > > > by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM
> > > > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
> > > > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem
Post,
> > > > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> > > > release of Gilad Shalit."
> > > > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the
same
> > > > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
> > > > escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains.
Since
> > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
ago,
> > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
strike
> > > > against terror cells."
> > > > "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in
the
> > > > shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open
spaces
> > > > in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved
that
> > > > Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
> > > > reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other
factions,
> > > > and on itself."
> > > > "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> > > > possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> > > > So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
> > > > have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't
want
> > > > to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that
they
> > > > are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> > > > massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all
over
> > > > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
> > > Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
> > > the meaning is vastly different
> > > "Since
> > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
> > > ago,
> > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > > strike
> > > against terror cells.""
> > > This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
> > > to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
> > > retaliation to that. Not what you said.
> > Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:
> > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
> > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
> > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
> > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
> > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
> > ceasefire."
> > That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's statement.
> > I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to introduce it as
> > if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last year
> > rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launced after Israeli rocket attacks
> > against Gaza with the exception of the most recent which was Palestinian
> > retaliation for a large scale Israeli military incursion which murdered a
> > 13 year old boy who was playing football.
> > Go ahead, Alim- just press your hands tightly over your ears if reality
> > doesn't fit you're preferred myth.
> No risky, you misquoted your own cite. Nowhere in your cite does it
> say what you say it does.
> Heres what your cite says.
> "Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
> weeks ago,
> the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> strike
> against terror cells."
> And here's what you said.
> "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launched after
> Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> recent
> when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
> vehicle."
> Completely different.
Excerpt from Mr. Baskin's article cut and pasted:
"Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains. Since
that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks ago,
the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli strike
. ."
Here's what I said in the post directly above your last one. I added back
in the last part about what the Palestinians fired rockets in retaliation
for the last time which you were overly clever in deleting:
...
> > On Nov 19, 12:13 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > On Nov 18 2012 11:13 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > On Nov 19, 12:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > On Nov 18 2012 10:16 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 8:58 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 9:53 pm, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 4:05 PM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 10:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 18 2012 6:37 AM, Alim Nassor 1 wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On Nov 18, 7:18 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net>
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > He must be upset that they aren't just publishing
> Israeli
> > > army
> > > > > > > press
> > > > > > > > > > > > > releases and leaving out 100% of the facts rather than
> > > leaving
> > > > > out
> > > > > > > only
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 90% of the facts. For example: about who started it.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Why Is Jewish owned press so consistently anti- Israel
> in
> > > every
> > > > > > > crisis?
> > > > > > > > > > > > > November 18, 2012 1:19 am via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel position
> > > > > precarious.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of
> embarrassment..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been launched at
> > > Israel
> > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always
> launched
> > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of
> the
> > > most
> > > > > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense
> > > Forces
> > > > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the
> Israeli
> > > > > > > Occupation
> > > > > > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an
> incursion
> > > into
> > > > > Gaza
> > > > > > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a
> 13
> > > year
> > > > > old
> > > > > > > boy
> > > > > > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched
> more
> > > > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to
> > > > > facilitate
> > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you
> read in
> > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those 800
> rocket
> > > > > > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
> > > after
> > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the
> most
> > > > > recent"
> > > > > > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always " is
> used
> > > > > > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks and
> 17
> > > > > > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a
> response
> > > > > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > > > > > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know. Why do
> > > you so
> > > > > > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your
> version?
> > > > > > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and over
> again
> > > > > > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > > > > > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> > > > > > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came from
> > > > > > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> > > > > > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in the
> > > > > > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> > > > > Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz that
> > > > > was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if you
> > > > > want but you have to pay for it there:
> > > > > Assassinating The Chance For Calm
> > > > > by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM
> > > > > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel Palestine
> > > > > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem
> Post,
> > > > > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> > > > > release of Gilad Shalit."
> > > > > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the
> same
> > > > > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
> > > > > escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains.
> Since
> > > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
> ago,
> > > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> strike
> > > > > against terror cells."
> > > > > "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined in
> the
> > > > > shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open
> spaces
> > > > > in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all involved
> that
> > > > > Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its own
> > > > > reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other
> factions,
> > > > > and on itself."
> > > > > "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> > > > > possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> > > > > So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here should
> > > > > have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you don't
> want
> > > > > to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that
> they
> > > > > are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> > > > > massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes all
> over
> > > > > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
> > > > Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
> > > > the meaning is vastly different
> > > > "Since
> > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
> > > > ago,
> > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > > > strike
> > > > against terror cells.""
> > > > This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
> > > > to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
> > > > retaliation to that. Not what you said.
> > > Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:
> > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most recent
> > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces vehicle.
> > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli Occupation
> > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old boy
> > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate a
> > > ceasefire."
> > > That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's statement.
> > > I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to introduce it as
> > > if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last year
> > > rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launced after Israeli rocket attacks
> > > against Gaza with the exception of the most recent which was Palestinian
> > > retaliation for a large scale Israeli military incursion which murdered a
> > > 13 year old boy who was playing football.
> > > Go ahead, Alim- just press your hands tightly over your ears if reality
> > > doesn't fit you're preferred myth.
> > No risky, you misquoted your own cite. Nowhere in your cite does it
> > say what you say it does.
> > Heres what your cite says.
> > "Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
> > weeks ago,
> > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > strike
> > against terror cells."
> > And here's what you said.
> > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launched after
> > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> > recent
> > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
> > vehicle."
> > Completely different.
> Excerpt from Mr. Baskin's article cut and pasted:
> "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the same
> results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid full
> escalation, which would not bring any political
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel
position
> > > > > > precarious.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of
> > embarrassment..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been
launched at
> > > > Israel
> > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always
> > launched
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception
of
> > the
> > > > most
> > > > > > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli
Defense
> > > > Forces
> > > > > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the
> > Israeli
> > > > > > > > Occupation
> > > > > > > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an
> > incursion
> > > > into
> > > > > > Gaza
> > > > > > > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and
murdering a
> > 13
> > > > year
> > > > > > old
> > > > > > > > boy
> > > > > > > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then
launched
> > more
> > > > > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was
attempting to
> > > > > > facilitate
> > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you
> > read in
> > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those
800
> > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > > > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always
launched
> > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of
the
> > most
> > > > > > recent"
> > > > > > > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always
" is
> > used
> > > > > > > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks
and
> > 17
> > > > > > > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a
> > response
> > > > > > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > > > > > > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know.
Why do
> > > > you so
> > > > > > > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your
> > version?
> > > > > > > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and
over
> > again
> > > > > > > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > > > > > > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> > > > > > > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came
from
> > > > > > > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> > > > > > > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in
the
> > > > > > > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> > > > > > Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz
that
> > > > > > was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if
you
> > > > > > want but you have to pay for it there:
> > > > > > Assassinating The Chance For Calm
> > > > > > by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM
> > > > > > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel
Palestine
> > > > > > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem
> > Post,
> > > > > > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> > > > > > release of Gilad Shalit."
> > > > > > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the
> > same
> > > > > > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid
full
> > > > > > escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains..
> > Since
> > > > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
weeks
> > ago,
> > > > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > strike
> > > > > > against terror cells."
> > > > > > "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined
in
> > the
> > > > > > shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open
> > spaces
> > > > > > in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all
involved
> > that
> > > > > > Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its
own
> > > > > > reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other
> > factions,
> > > > > > and on itself."
> > > > > > "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> > > > > > possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> > > > > > So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here
should
> > > > > > have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you
don't
> > want
> > > > > > to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that
> > they
> > > > > > are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> > > > > > massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes
all
> > over
> > > > > > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
> > > > > Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
> > > > > the meaning is vastly different
> > > > > "Since
> > > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
> > > > > ago,
> > > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > > > > strike
> > > > > against terror cells.""
> > > > > This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
> > > > > to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
> > > > > retaliation to that. Not what you said.
> > > > Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:
> > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
recent
> > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
vehicle.
> > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
Occupation
> > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old
boy
> > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate
a
> > > > ceasefire."
> > > > That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's
statement.
> > > > I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to introduce
it as
> > > > if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last year
> > > > rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launced after Israeli rocket attacks
> > > > against Gaza with the exception of the most recent which was
Palestinian
> > > > retaliation for a large scale Israeli military incursion which
murdered a
> > > > 13 year old boy who was playing football.
> > > > Go ahead, Alim- just press your hands tightly over your ears if reality
> > > > doesn't fit you're preferred myth.
> > > No risky, you misquoted your own cite. Nowhere in your cite does it
> > > say what you say it does.
> > > Heres what your cite says.
> > > "Since that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
> > > weeks ago,
> > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > > strike
> > > against terror cells."
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel
> position
> > > > > > > precarious.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of
> > > embarrassment..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been
> launched at
> > > > > Israel
> > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always
> > > launched
> > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception
> of
> > > the
> > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli
> Defense
> > > > > Forces
> > > > > > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the
> > > Israeli
> > > > > > > > > Occupation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an
> > > incursion
> > > > > into
> > > > > > > Gaza
> > > > > > > > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and
> murdering a
> > > 13
> > > > > year
> > > > > > > old
> > > > > > > > > boy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then
> launched
> > > more
> > > > > > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was
> attempting to
> > > > > > > facilitate
> > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what you
> > > read in
> > > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > > > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of those
> 800
> > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > > > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always
> launched
> > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of
> the
> > > most
> > > > > > > recent"
> > > > > > > > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word "always
> " is
> > > used
> > > > > > > > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket attacks
> and
> > > 17
> > > > > > > > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them was a
> > > response
> > > > > > > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie.
> > > > > > > > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to know.
> Why do
> > > > > you so
> > > > > > > > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting your
> > > version?
> > > > > > > > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over and
> over
> > > again
> > > > > > > > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > > > > > > > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be? Your
> > > > > > > > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came
> from
> > > > > > > > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you? Really? So,
> > > > > > > > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza in
> the
> > > > > > > > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> > > > > > > Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from Haaretz
> that
> > > > > > > was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at Haaretz if
> you
> > > > > > > want but you have to pay for it there:
> > > > > > > Assassinating The Chance For Calm
> > > > > > > by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM
> > > > > > > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel
> Palestine
> > > > > > > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the Jerusalem
> > > Post,
> > > > > > > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel for the
> > > > > > > release of Gilad Shalit."
> > > > > > > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year yielded the
> > > same
> > > > > > > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid
> full
> > > > > > > escalation, which would not bring any political or military gains..
> > > Since
> > > > > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
> weeks
> > > ago,
> > > > > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > > strike
> > > > > > > against terror cells."
> > > > > > > "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public, joined
> in
> > > the
> > > > > > > shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at open
> > > spaces
> > > > > > > in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all
> involved
> > > that
> > > > > > > Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for its
> own
> > > > > > > reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other
> > > factions,
> > > > > > > and on itself."
> > > > > > > "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against the
> > > > > > > possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> > > > > > > So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps here
> should
> > > > > > > have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you
> don't
> > > want
> > > > > > > to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction that
> > > they
> > > > > > > are morally and ethically superior while at the same time providing
> > > > > > > massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous crimes
> all
> > > over
> > > > > > > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East.
> > > > > > Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar, but
> > > > > > the meaning is vastly different
> > > > > > "Since
> > > > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two weeks
> > > > > > ago,
> > > > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive Israeli
> > > > > > strike
> > > > > > against terror cells.""
> > > > > > This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it seems
> > > > > > to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
> > > > > > retaliation to that. Not what you said.
> > > > > Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:
> > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched after
> > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> recent
> > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
> vehicle.
> > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
> Occupation
> > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into Gaza
> > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year old
> boy
> > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more rocket
> > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to facilitate
> a
> > > > > ceasefire."
> > > > > That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's
> statement.
> > > > > I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to introduce
> it as
> > > > > if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last year
> > > > > rocket fire from Gaza was ALWAYS launced after Israeli rocket attacks
> > > > > against Gaza with the exception of the most recent which was
> Palestinian
> > > > > retaliation for a large scale Israeli military incursion which
> murdered a
> > > > > 13 year old boy who was playing football.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > @rupertmurdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Rupert Murdoch
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Middle East ready to boil over any day. Israel
> > position
> > > > > > > > precarious.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Meanwhile watch CNN and AP bias to point of
> > > > embarrassment..
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > November 17, 2012 10:38 pm via Twitter for iPad
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As of October 2012, over 800 rockets had been
> > launched at
> > > > > > Israel
> > > > > > > > from
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gaza since January 2012.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was
always
> > > > launched
> > > > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the
exception
> > of
> > > > the
> > > > > > most
> > > > > > > > > > recent
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli
> > Defense
> > > > > > Forces
> > > > > > > > > > vehicle.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th,
the
> > > > Israeli
> > > > > > > > > > Occupation
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an
> > > > incursion
> > > > > > into
> > > > > > > > Gaza
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and
> > murdering a
> > > > 13
> > > > > > year
> > > > > > > > old
> > > > > > > > > > boy
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then
> > launched
> > > > more
> > > > > > > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was
> > attempting to
> > > > > > > > facilitate
> > > > > > > > > > a
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > ceasefire.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's too bad you're foolish enough to believe what
you
> > > > read in
> > > > > > > > American
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > news media.
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Sure they were. I can provide a detailed list of
those
> > 800
> > > > rocket
> > > > > > > > > > > > > attacks. Can you provide the same for your claim?
> > > > > > > > > > > > Are you saying this is a lie?
> > > > > > > > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always
> > launched
> > > > > > after
> > > > > > > > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception
of
> > the
> > > > most
> > > > > > > > recent"
> > > > > > > > > > > I'm saying I doubt it's accuracy. Whenever the word
"always
> > " is
> > > > used
> > > > > > > > > > > it's a red flag. In 2012 there have been 822 rocket
attacks
> > and
> > > > 17
> > > > > > > > > > > mortar attacks and you claim every single one of them
was a
> > > > response
> > > > > > > > > > > to an Israeli attack. Yeah, I guess I do say it's a lie..
> > > > > > > > > > Well, I'm just quoting someone who is in a position to
know.
> > Why do
> > > > > > you so
> > > > > > > > > > quickly assume that they're lying? Where are you getting
your
> > > > version?
> > > > > > > > > > From the Israeli army or government? They've proven over
and
> > over
> > > > again
> > > > > > > > > > that they're just about the biggest liars in world history.
> > > > > > > > > You're quoting someone who knows. Really? Who would that be?
Your
> > > > > > > > > Jewish uncle? What are his sources. The numbers I quoted came
> > from
> > > > > > > > > Wiki. The "always" didn't send up a red flag for you?
Really? So,
> > > > > > > > > the Israelis have launched HUNDREDS of attacks against Gaza
in
> > the
> > > > > > > > > last year and there's nothing in the press about it? Nothing?
> > > > > > > > Oh, it's been in the press alright. Here's an article from
Haaretz
> > that
> > > > > > > > was reprinted in The Daily Beast. You can go read it at
Haaretz if
> > you
> > > > > > > > want but you have to pay for it there:
> > > > > > > > Assassinating The Chance For Calm
> > > > > > > > by Gershon Baskin Nov 15, 2012 10:45 AM
> > > > > > > > "Dr. Gershon Baskin is the Co-Chairman of IPCRI, the Israel
> > Palestine
> > > > > > > > Center for Research and Information, a columnist for the
Jerusalem
> > > > Post,
> > > > > > > > and the initiator and negotiator of the secret back channel
for the
> > > > > > > > release of Gilad Shalit."
> > > > > > > > "Repeated rounds of rocket fire over the following year
yielded the
> > > > same
> > > > > > > > results with both sides seeking a ladder to step down and avoid
> > full
> > > > > > > > escalation, which would not bring any political or military
gains..
> > > > Since
> > > > > > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
> > weeks
> > > > ago,
> > > > > > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive
Israeli
> > > > strike
> > > > > > > > against terror cells."
> > > > > > > > "In the last rounds, Hamas, under pressure from its public,
joined
> > in
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > shooting of rockets but it almost always aimed its rockets at
open
> > > > spaces
> > > > > > > > in Israel and their damage was minimal. It was clear to all
> > involved
> > > > that
> > > > > > > > Hamas was not interested in escalating the situation and for
its
> > own
> > > > > > > > reasons and agreed to impose the ceasefire on all of the other
> > > > factions,
> > > > > > > > and on itself."
> > > > > > > > "The assassination of Jaabari was a pre-emptive strike against
the
> > > > > > > > possibility of a long term ceasefire."
> > > > > > > > So you see- the American news media don't think their peeps
here
> > should
> > > > > > > > have information like this. I kind of get the feeling that you
> > don't
> > > > want
> > > > > > > > to see it anyway. Most Americans prefer the convenient fiction
that
> > > > they
> > > > > > > > are morally and ethically superior while at the same time
providing
> > > > > > > > massive amounts of military equipment to commit horrendous
crimes
> > all
> > > > over
> > > > > > > > the world but probably most hypocritically in the Middle East..
> > > > > > > Your quote appears nowhere in this. What does appear is similar,
but
> > > > > > > the meaning is vastly different
> > > > > > > "Since
> > > > > > > that time, with the exception of the last round of violence two
weeks
> > > > > > > ago,
> > > > > > > the rocket fire from Gaza was launched after a pre-emptive
Israeli
> > > > > > > strike
> > > > > > > against terror cells.""
> > > > > > > This says the Israelis launched "a" pre-emptive strike. And it
seems
> > > > > > > to say that all of the 800 or so rockets since then were in
> > > > > > > retaliation to that. Not what you said.
> > > > > > Below is exactly what I said a few posts earlier in this thread:
> > > > > > "In the last year the rocket fire from Gaza was always launched
after
> > > > > > Israeli rocket attacks against Gaza with the exception of the most
> > recent
> > > > > > when an anti-tank missile was fired at an Israeli Defense Forces
> > vehicle.
> > > > > > That was prompted when, on Thursday, November 8th, the Israeli
> > Occupation
> > > > > > Forces eight tanks and four bulldozers undertook an incursion into
Gaza
> > > > > > firing in all directions indiscriminately and murdering a 13 year
old
> > boy
> > > > > > while destroying property and land. Israel then launched more
rocket
> > > > > > attacks and murdered a Hamas official who was attempting to
facilitate
> > a
> > > > > > ceasefire."
> > > > > > That is actually mostly just a cut and paste from Mr. Baskin's
> > statement.
> > > > > > I didn't use the number "800" anywhere. You keep trying to
introduce
> > it as
> > > > > > if it has some sort of relevance. Mr. Baskin said that in the last
year
> > > > > > rocket fire from
On Nov 20, 12:58 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> This is a non-meaningful question in that both sources are Israeli. The
> Israeli source I used was for publication in Israel. The Israeli sources
> you're using are intended for the Israeli lapdog American media.
Of course. Yours is pure, mine is tainted. Of course there could be
no Israelis that harbor anti Israeli feelings. Just like there are no
Americans who wish ill on America.
If Israel is so horrible to the Arabs, why are there more than a dozen
mosques in Israel? Why are there Arab members of the Knesset?
When Israel was established states it triggered a deliberate surge in
state-legislated discrimination and abuse by Arab regimes and their
citizenry, making Jewish residence in Arab countries simply untenable.
As a result, the Jews were expelled.
here were nearly twice as many Jewish refugees as Palestinian
refugees, and the value of the Jewish property confiscated by Arab
governments during these expulsions is estimated to be at least 50
percent higher than the assets lost by Palestinian refugees. But the
plight of Jewish refugees was not widely publicized, largely because
they did not remain refugees for long. A large portion of Israeli
citizens are descendants of Jews displaced from Arab countries.
There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld.
That is also true of other Moslem countries. I live in Malaysia.
There are no active synagogues. Travel to Israel by Malaysian
citizens is restricted.
Many countries restrict entry if you have an Israeli stamp in your
passport.
> On Nov 20, 12:58 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > This is a non-meaningful question in that both sources are Israeli. The
> > Israeli source I used was for publication in Israel. The Israeli sources
> > you're using are intended for the Israeli lapdog American media.
> Of course. Yours is pure, mine is tainted. Of course there could be
> no Israelis that harbor anti Israeli feelings. Just like there are no
> Americans who wish ill on America.
So, the Jew who was largely responsible for the release of the Jewish
prisoner of war Gilad Shalit wishes ill on Israel? The same Jew who is a
columnist for the Jerusalem Post? Uhh . . . come on.
> If Israel is so horrible to the Arabs, why are there more than a dozen
> mosques in Israel? Why are there Arab members of the Knesset?
> When Israel was established states it triggered a deliberate surge in
> state-legislated discrimination and abuse by Arab regimes and their
> citizenry, making Jewish residence in Arab countries simply untenable.
> As a result, the Jews were expelled.
The key term above is "when Israel was established". You're also leaving
out the fact that Israel encouraged Jewish immigration to Israel even
going so far as to commit terrorist acts against Jews in some Arab
countries to cause an exodus to israel.
> here were nearly twice as many Jewish refugees as Palestinian
> refugees, and the value of the Jewish property confiscated by Arab
> governments during these expulsions is estimated to be at least 50
> percent higher than the assets lost by Palestinian refugees.
I'd like to know who the bookeeper was on that statement. The asset value
of all of Palestine was less than that of individual Jews from Arab
countries? Doesn't really fly, logically speaking.
> But the
> plight of Jewish refugees was not widely publicized, largely because
> they did not remain refugees for long. A large portion of Israeli
> citizens are descendants of Jews displaced from Arab countries.
> There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld.
> That is also true of other Moslem countries. I live in Malaysia.
> There are no active synagogues. Travel to Israel by Malaysian
> citizens is restricted.
This is nonsense, Alim. There are lots of synagogues in the Muslim world.
One of the very few countries in the Muslim world where they're banned is
Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by a dictatorship propped up by the United
States of America.
There are several Arab/Muslim countries which have actually allotted state
funds to the renovation of Synagogues.
But let's look at one country where you should have some expertise since
you say you live there, Malysia. From Wikipedia:
"A small Jewish community existed on the island of Penang. Jews first came
into contact with the Malay peninsula during the 11th century when Jewish
traders traded with the Kedah Sultanate and Langkasuka. Many Jews in
Malaysia came from Persia. After the communist revolution in China, more
Jews fled to Southeast Asia. However, the Jewish community declined, with
many emigrating to countries such as Australia. Due to not having enough
members to hold some Jewish rituals, the only synagogue in Penang,
established in 1932, was shut down in 1976. The last burial in Penang's
Jewish cemetery took pace in 1978.[40] By 1990s the community had
disappeared, and it is now thought that there are only two Jews who hold
Malaysian passports."[41]
> > On Nov 20, 12:58 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > This is a non-meaningful question in that both sources are Israeli. The
> > > Israeli source I used was for publication in Israel. The Israeli sources
> > > you're using are intended for the Israeli lapdog American media.
> > Of course. Yours is pure, mine is tainted. Of course there could be
> > no Israelis that harbor anti Israeli feelings. Just like there are no
> > Americans who wish ill on America.
> So, the Jew who was largely responsible for the release of the Jewish
> prisoner of war Gilad Shalit wishes ill on Israel? The same Jew who is a
> columnist for the Jerusalem Post? Uhh . . . come on.
> > If Israel is so horrible to the Arabs, why are there more than a dozen
> > mosques in Israel? Why are there Arab members of the Knesset?
> > When Israel was established states it triggered a deliberate surge in
> > state-legislated discrimination and abuse by Arab regimes and their
> > citizenry, making Jewish residence in Arab countries simply untenable.
> > As a result, the Jews were expelled.
> The key term above is "when Israel was established". You're also leaving
> out the fact that Israel encouraged Jewish immigration to Israel even
> going so far as to commit terrorist acts against Jews in some Arab
> countries to cause an exodus to israel.
> > here were nearly twice as many Jewish refugees as Palestinian
> > refugees, and the value of the Jewish property confiscated by Arab
> > governments during these expulsions is estimated to be at least 50
> > percent higher than the assets lost by Palestinian refugees.
> I'd like to know who the bookeeper was on that statement. The asset value
> of all of Palestine was less than that of individual Jews from Arab
> countries? Doesn't really fly, logically speaking.
> > But the
> > plight of Jewish refugees was not widely publicized, largely because
> > they did not remain refugees for long. A large portion of Israeli
> > citizens are descendants of Jews displaced from Arab countries.
> > There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld.
> > That is also true of other Moslem countries. I live in Malaysia.
> > There are no active synagogues. Travel to Israel by Malaysian
> > citizens is restricted.
> This is nonsense, Alim. There are lots of synagogues in the Muslim world.
> One of the very few countries in the Muslim world where they're banned is
> Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by a dictatorship propped up by the United
> States of America.
> There are several Arab/Muslim countries which have actually allotted state
> funds to the renovation of Synagogues.
> But let's look at one country where you should have some expertise since
> you say you live there, Malysia. From Wikipedia:
> "A small Jewish community existed on the island of Penang. Jews first came
> into contact with the Malay peninsula during the 11th century when Jewish
> traders traded with the Kedah Sultanate and Langkasuka. Many Jews in
> Malaysia came from Persia. After the communist revolution in China, more
> Jews fled to Southeast Asia. However, the Jewish community declined, with
> many emigrating to countries such as Australia. Due to not having enough
> members to hold some Jewish rituals, the only synagogue in Penang,
> established in 1932, was shut down in 1976. The last burial in Penang's
> Jewish cemetery took pace in 1978.[40] By 1990s the community had
> disappeared, and it is now thought that there are only two Jews who hold
> Malaysian passports."[41]
> > More countries have been reported as having difficulty entering with
> > an Israeli stamp.
> > Saudi Arabia (reportedly not strictly enforced due to pressure by the
> > U.S.)
> > Malaysia
> > Pakistan
> > Algeria
> > Indonesia
> > U.A.E.
> Probably because they don't want Israelis and their agents wandering
> around at will and murdering people, you think?
I said ACTIVE synagogues. There are many synagogues in the Arab
world, but almost none in actual use. You article from Wiki confirms
that. There is not a single active synagogue in Malaysia. Did you
not read it?
" Due to not having enough members to hold some Jewish rituals, the
only synagogue in Penang, established in 1932, was shutdown in 1976.
The last burial in Penang's Jewish cemetery took pace in 1978.[40] By
1990s the community had disappeared, and it is now thought that there
are only two Jews who hold Malaysian passports.
And then there was this line. ""Christmas, Chinese New Year, and
Deepavali have been declared national holidays alongside Islamic
holidays." What was that supposed to prove about Israel? Where are
the Jewish Holidays? There is religious freedom here. There are 4
Catholic churches in my city alone. But not a single synagogue
anywhere in the country.
You really think Israeli citizens wander the world on an Israeli
passport and murder people for fun? LOL.
> On Nov 20, 11:08 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > On Nov 20 2012 7:12 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:
> > > On Nov 20, 12:58 am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > > > This is a non-meaningful question in that both sources are Israeli. The
> > > > Israeli source I used was for publication in Israel. The Israeli
sources
> > > > you're using are intended for the Israeli lapdog American media.
> > > Of course. Yours is pure, mine is tainted. Of course there could be
> > > no Israelis that harbor anti Israeli feelings. Just like there are no
> > > Americans who wish ill on America.
> > So, the Jew who was largely responsible for the release of the Jewish
> > prisoner of war Gilad Shalit wishes ill on Israel? The same Jew who is a
> > columnist for the Jerusalem Post? Uhh . . . come on.
> > > If Israel is so horrible to the Arabs, why are there more than a dozen
> > > mosques in Israel? Why are there Arab members of the Knesset?
> > > When Israel was established states it triggered a deliberate surge in
> > > state-legislated discrimination and abuse by Arab regimes and their
> > > citizenry, making Jewish residence in Arab countries simply untenable.
> > > As a result, the Jews were expelled.
> > The key term above is "when Israel was established". You're also leaving
> > out the fact that Israel encouraged Jewish immigration to Israel even
> > going so far as to commit terrorist acts against Jews in some Arab
> > countries to cause an exodus to israel.
> > > here were nearly twice as many Jewish refugees as Palestinian
> > > refugees, and the value of the Jewish property confiscated by Arab
> > > governments during these expulsions is estimated to be at least 50
> > > percent higher than the assets lost by Palestinian refugees.
> > I'd like to know who the bookeeper was on that statement. The asset value
> > of all of Palestine was less than that of individual Jews from Arab
> > countries? Doesn't really fly, logically speaking.
> > > But the
> > > plight of Jewish refugees was not widely publicized, largely because
> > > they did not remain refugees for long. A large portion of Israeli
> > > citizens are descendants of Jews displaced from Arab countries.
> > > There are virtually no active synagogues anywhere in the Arab wrrld.
> > > That is also true of other Moslem countries. I live in Malaysia.
> > > There are no active synagogues. Travel to Israel by Malaysian
> > > citizens is restricted.
> > This is nonsense, Alim. There are lots of synagogues in the Muslim world.
> > One of the very few countries in the Muslim world where they're banned is
> > Saudi Arabia, which is ruled by a dictatorship propped up by the United
> > States of America.
> > There are several Arab/Muslim countries which have actually allotted state
> > funds to the renovation of Synagogues.
> > But let's look at one country where you should have some expertise since
> > you say you live there, Malysia. From Wikipedia:
> > "A small Jewish community existed on the island of Penang. Jews first came
> > into contact with the Malay peninsula during the 11th century when Jewish
> > traders traded with the Kedah Sultanate and Langkasuka. Many Jews in
> > Malaysia came from Persia. After the communist revolution in China, more
> > Jews fled to Southeast Asia. However, the Jewish community declined, with
> > many emigrating to countries such as Australia. Due to not having enough
> > members to hold some Jewish rituals, the only synagogue in Penang,
> > established in 1932, was shut down in 1976. The last burial in Penang's
> > Jewish cemetery took pace in 1978.[40] By 1990s the community had
> > disappeared, and it is now thought that there are only two Jews who hold
> > Malaysian passports."[41]
> > "Christmas, Chinese New Year, and Deepavali have been declared national
> > holidays alongside Islamic
> > > More countries have been reported as having difficulty entering with
> > > an Israeli stamp.
> > > Saudi Arabia (reportedly not strictly enforced due to pressure by the
> > > U.S.)
> > > Malaysia
> > > Pakistan
> > > Algeria
> > > Indonesia
> > > U.A.E.
> > Probably because they don't want Israelis and their agents wandering
> > around at will and murdering people, you think?
> I said ACTIVE synagogues. There are many synagogues in the Arab
> world, but almost none in actual use. You article from Wiki confirms
> that. There is not a single active synagogue in Malaysia. Did you
> not read it?
> " Due to not having enough members to hold some Jewish rituals, the
> only synagogue in Penang, established in 1932, was shutdown in 1976.
> The last burial in Penang's Jewish cemetery took pace in 1978.[40] By
> 1990s the community had disappeared, and it is now thought that there
> are only two Jews who hold Malaysian passports.
> And then there was this line. ""Christmas, Chinese New Year, and
> Deepavali have been declared national holidays alongside Islamic
> holidays." What was that supposed to prove about Israel? Where are
> the Jewish Holidays? There is religious freedom here. There are 4
> Catholic churches in my city alone. But not a single synagogue
> anywhere in the country.
Your example of discrimination against Jews in Malaysia is that they
haven't declared a religious holiday for the two remaining Jews in
Malaysia? I wonder if you would be so open minded about religious holidays
in the USA? LOL. Get off it. The Wiki also makes it clear that the few
Jews in Malysia emigrated of their own free will. Don't get so embarrassed
about not checking your facts before posting.
> You really think Israeli citizens wander the world on an Israeli
> passport and murder people for fun? LOL.
No, they usually do that with Canadian and Norwegian passports but I would
guess that most Arab and Muslim countries err on the side of caution.
And, gosh- I don't know if they assassinate Arabs/Muslims for fun. I
wouldn't enjoy doing something like murdering people.
