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RussGe...@aol.com

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Nov 6, 2005, 11:55:29 PM11/6/05
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Online poker 'rife with cheats'

Notorious casino cheat claims 99 per cent of players will one day be
cheating...
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By Will Sturgeon

Published: Friday 4 November 2005

The boom in internet gambling may be about to hit its greatest hurdle
with one of the world's most famous casino cheats claiming the online
world is far more at risk from cheating than the casinos in which he
made millions.

Richard Marcus is among an elite of casino cheats and during a 25-year
reign he and a small team took casinos in Las Vegas, Atlantic City,
London and Monte Carlo for a reported $5m.

And yet Marcus, who now writes books based on his experiences, claims
the boom in internet gambling which has come along since he went into
early retirement offers even more rich pickings for the
criminally-minded who no longer even have to show their faces to claim
their ill-gotten gains.

Marcus says he knows of systems operating online currently which are
evading detection and making serious money, including systems which in
some online casinos will reveal the other cards on the table.

"There is so much cheating going on," said Marcus.

"Within a short amount of time we are going to see about one in a
hundred people playing honestly. The rest will be using bots or it will
be computers playing against computers."

However, that's a suggestion one online poker provider was quick to
dismiss - though others in the same industry remained tight-lipped in
the face of silicon.com's enquiries.

A spokesman for PartyPoker.com told silicon.com: "I can't speak for
other sites but the people sitting there on our virtual poker tables
are very real."

He admitted there will always be those who try to cheat the system but
said he is "pretty confident" his company is able to detect them with a
dedicated team and technology working round the clock monitoring any
suspicious activity.

"When it comes to bots we are able to detect them and when we do we
will close down the accounts and seize the funds," he said.

However, while Marcus agreed "the people with unsophisticated bots can
be caught" he added "the really sophisticated stuff has a mind of its
own".

The PartyPoker.com spokesman told silicon.com: "Of course we are aware
that there are going to be increasing levels of sophistication with
these things but we're also developing greater levels of sophistication
to combat them."

Marcus, whose next book, entitled Dirty Poker, is published in the UK
next year, told silicon.com he expects his revelations will draw angry
fire from the online casinos.

silicon.com's own enquiries into Marcus' claims were met with a wall of
silence from a number of major players in the online poker industry.

Of those contacted, only PartGaming.com was willing to co-operate with
this article.

silicon.com is also running a more detailed interview with Richard
Marcus in which he discusses the technology used to combat cheating on
the casino floor for our 'Tech's Big Gamble' special report.

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Marcus says he knows of systems operating online currently which are
evading detection and making serious money, including systems which in
some online casinos will reveal the other cards on the table.

Jack King

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Nov 7, 2005, 1:54:17 AM11/7/05
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So how come this Richard Marcus is so much more "famous, elite, and
notorious" that you Russ? Apparently you are not even that good at
cheating. You are a "nobody" as a player and now we find out you
are a "nobody" as a cheater. How sad.

Jack

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smellmuth

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Nov 7, 2005, 2:42:35 AM11/7/05
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not that i agree with the article, but your statement is ludicrous. if the guy
was so fucking good at cheating, why is he writing books instead of continuing
to cheat?

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TwoPair

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Nov 7, 2005, 2:55:46 AM11/7/05
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smellmuth wrote:
> not that i agree with the article, but your statement is ludicrous. if the guy
> was so fucking good at cheating, why is he writing books instead of continuing
> to cheat?

Good point and it begs the question: If Russ G. is such a great poker
player and such a great cheater then . . . . ?

torx

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Nov 7, 2005, 2:57:47 AM11/7/05
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because he's an honest player now, he has found jesus .....
or some other made up story ....


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smellmuth

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Nov 7, 2005, 3:07:11 AM11/7/05
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a whole other discussion, my friend. one that has been had ad nauseum. for what
its worth, several respected players have posted here admitting that russ
georgiev is a skilled poker player. i believe them.


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JoeR

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Nov 7, 2005, 6:53:54 AM11/7/05
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Here is what I dont understand.  This guy worked as a cheat with a team for 25
years and they only made $5mil.?  Thats 1mil. every 5 years or $200kper year for
a team.  Thats squat.  There are people making that just playing tournies on
line.

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art_classmn

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Nov 7, 2005, 2:55:50 PM11/7/05
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Because his teams made their money from past posting. They had a
sure-fire technique to make a "little" at a time.

>From an article on RFID cheques.

"Technology can't beat us, casino cheat says"
By Will Sturgeon
Special to CNET News.com

Published: November 4, 2005, 11:05 AM PST

"His stock trick relied upon sleight of hand--that is, switching
high-denomination chips for lower-value chips in a bet that had won. At
his peak, his team used a technique known as pastposting to replace
three black $100 chips with two brown $5,000 dollar chips beneath a
single black chip. That meant $300 liabilities were reaping payouts
from $10,100."

I don't think the question on Marcus regards how much money he made.
Marcus cheated casinos, poker cheats attack the other players. I
haven't done much research, but has anyone heard of Marcus as a poker
or online cheating expert?

I accept that Marcus is an expert former casino cheat and I am
interested in seeing him back up his claims in his upcoming book.

art_classmn

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Nov 7, 2005, 3:00:28 PM11/7/05
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I don't doubt that Russ is a skilled poker player or a cheat.

The problem is that he is a nutball who lacks the intelligence to use
that knowledge and expertise to become a respected authority on
anything.

Russ has learned to post publicly available articles.

Yee. Haw.

jap...@firstam.com

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Nov 18, 2005, 7:52:26 PM11/18/05
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The last scam that Marcus and his team utilized was a move called the
Savanah which was an innovation on pastposting in that they put the
high dollar chips down during the initial bet and only replaced the
ship stack on a loss...this meant that security rarely looked at a
loss, but if a player made a move toward his stack during a win, they
would scrutinize it with the eye in the sky...and would see nothing
suspicious. He and his team cheated casinos in for probably 5 million
just on that scam alone. He "retired" because you the thrill was gone
and the heat became to intense for him to maintain a low profile which
is what a casino cheat of his caliber requires. As Art pointed out he
was a roulette and BJ scammer that required easy chip manipulation
after a play to play his scam. He is living out of the country right
now somewhere in France...he is the real deal.

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