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SuperFlyMon

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Jun 12, 2005, 9:51:13 PM6/12/05
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Let me be the first to congratulate Dutch Boyd on his 37th place finish in the
2,000 no limit event, earning him $7,485. Dutch is now a little over $900 in
profit in this years events and is that much closer to taking over the poker
world. Go Dutch!!!

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Jon Eaton

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Careful, he might sue you for making fun of him.

Jon

On Jun 12 2005 9:51 PM, SuperFlyMon wrote:

> Let me be the first to congratulate Dutch Boyd on his 37th place finish in
the
> 2,000 no limit event, earning him $7,485. Dutch is now a little over $900 in
> profit in this years events and is that much closer to taking over the poker
> world. Go Dutch!!!


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flopalock

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Jun 12, 2005, 10:21:28 PM6/12/05
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LMAO

Tony Popejoy

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Jun 12, 2005, 10:36:15 PM6/12/05
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  It's funny I was just bored and reading his site. Then I come here and read
this negative shit. At least I think Dutch intends to try to right his wrongs at
some point if he can. He certainly much smarter than most that make comments
about him, and he's probably even a better poker player than most. I don't even
know Dutch Boyd, never met him, never lost a penny to his business venture.
However, I hope he gets his shit together. I hope he does well in poker, and I
hope he gets everyone paid back and reclaims some integrity for his own piece of
mind. Scum like Ruth Parasite and Party Poker steal and fuck, you same people
daily, and you smile and say thank you. I guess if Dutch was a creative thief
like the dipshit and bitch that own Party Poker then he wouldn't even be on your
radar.  I hope Dutch pays his debts back and has the last laugh. The miserable
people that have nothing better to do than wish misery on him will never amount
to anything anyway. Like I said I have never met dutch, but he cant be near as
bad as people that get praised daily on this very newsgroup.

                                                                                
        Tony Popejoy

On Jun 12 2005 9:21 PM, flopalock wrote:

> LMAO

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PrestoET

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Jun 12, 2005, 10:50:12 PM6/12/05
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> Like I said I have never met dutch, but he cant be near as
>bad as people that get praised daily on this very newsgroup.

You might consider giving therapy another try...it really does work for
some people...

;-)

minus200(DELETETHIS)

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Jun 13, 2005, 1:27:14 AM6/13/05
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I also wish him well and hope he turns his life around. He does have
$960 of my money but I have no illusions - I think he is a con man that
will continue with one "hustle" after another. I still hope he decides
to do something good with his life

Chet

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Jun 13, 2005, 12:34:14 AM6/13/05
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Tony: No disrespect intended, but you have been around this forum long
enough to know the shenanigans pulled by Dutch.

Unless you have some positive experience with him, such as getting back any
money you may have had invested in his defunct poker site, I fail to see the
reason behind the support. Unfortunately, based on experience to date, he
has not earned it.

If and when he makes good on the losses, as he himself has said he would, he
gets back some measure of respect and support.


Siam

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Jun 13, 2005, 12:34:36 AM6/13/05
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Tony Popejoy Jun 12, 10:36 pm show options

<<I don't even
know Dutch Boyd, never met him, never lost a penny to his business

venture..Like I said I have never met dutch, but he cant be near as bad


as people that get praised daily on this very newsgroup. >>

I don't even know Charlie Manson, never met him, never even knew
anyone that he killed. He too can't be near as bad as the court
system, the witnesses or the victims make him out to be.

thenutlow

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Jun 13, 2005, 12:51:22 AM6/13/05
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Do you think he intentionally took your money? Or do you think he set up
the poker site in order to scam people?

It seems like he didn't come out of the deal too financially well off.. if
he got so excited about winning $80k last year, and then jerks off about
winning $1200 on doyles room..

I wasn't on-line at the time of the "scam".. but i have read numerous
posts on google regarding this.

The conclusion I came to was that he got over his head, tried to juggle
funds to pay off other debts, and finally the enterprise ran out of money,
and it closed.

I can understand peoples dislike for the character, but I don't
specifically see that is was a huge con.

I also truly believe that if he cashes big, he will clear the debts, even
though it is my understanding he is under no legal obligation to do so (I
might easily be wrong here)

I dont really know what the point of this post was, but I think it was to
address the "con" part.


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Siam

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Tony Popejoy >>>


On a more serious note Tony, you don't have to read what anyone says,
but you can judge him by his own behavior.

-- He USED this newsgroup to promote his website
-- He USED this newsgroup to continually market his website.
-- A player posted here that he was having serious trouble getting paid
(something we would all want to know)
-- He accused this player of lying and threatened to close his account
-- He posted lies about how the CFO was out of the office and they will
start processing payments.

Don't compare his actions to anyone else. What he did was bad...end of
story.

Cheers

Jon Eaton

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Jun 13, 2005, 1:17:56 AM6/13/05
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Yeah, great analogy. Dutch Boyd and Charles Manson. Good choice.

Jon

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Tony Popejoy

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Jun 13, 2005, 1:30:47 AM6/13/05
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  Im not going to get into a big arguement/discussion. I just refuse to believe
that he doesnt have some redeeming qualities. I can remember going broke early
in my gambling career, and oweing people a significant amount of money. A
wealthy friend and smart businessman pulled me aside and told me that although I
needed to work hard to right my wrong, people would have even more respect for
me when I worked myself out of my delimna. He was right I worked hard and in
less than a year had a huge hole figure paid, as well as a nice bit of interest
to all that I owed. The interest wasn't a requirement, but it made me feel
better. My friend was right and I leaned a valuable lesson. If you put your mind
to it and work hard at it, you can overcome any bad situation that you put
yourself in. I refuse to believe that Dutch can't work out of his own problems.
It's more a matter of if he has the desire to do so. Im just going to bet that
the kid has some redeeming qualities, and I think that in time he'll get his
problems solved. He's a smart kid, if he wants to work through his problems, he
will. I hope he does and I wish him luck. Until then I understand that his
reputation must remain  tarnished, but what i don't understand is why some
people need to  continue to beat a dead horse. He hasn't yet had the opportunity
to do something positive about his past. Lets wait till he wins a million, and
then judge him if he doesnt make some arrangements. He apparantly is a brilliant
mind and there is no reason why he shouldn't have a significant amount of money
within the next 20 years. I'm betting that he'll do the right thing. I try to
find the good in everyone, and I hope that Dutch proves all his doubters wrong.
What's funny is that the owners of Party are FAR bigger criminals than Dutch has
ever been, and people are too blind to see the truth. I agree that what Dutch
did was bad and wrong. However, I won't compare him to Manson and I hope that he
rights his wrongs. I wish you well, best of luck.

                                                                                
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SuperFlyMon

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Jun 13, 2005, 1:57:40 AM6/13/05
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I suppose the $6,500 Dutch managed to scrounge up for four tournaments wouldn't
have been put to better use paying off a little of the money he owes various
people? Or, rather than sitting on his ass all day, I suppose getting an actual
job, being that he went to law school and everything, would be too hard for him
to actually pay his own way into the 10,000 event. While he may have redeeming
qualities (very few humans don't), overall he's a parasite. He obviously is not
a genius, especially at poker, or he would be able to afford the buy-ins without
begging for backers. I highly doubt the $6,500 he put up for these tournaments
was all his.

Major tournaments are largely becoming a crapshoot at this point, as most pro's
admit. While if you win a tournament (or go far in one), you are sitting
pretty, odds are just by sheer numbers you won't get there. Dutch Boyd, rather
than save his money for his own well-being or to pay off backers, continues to
blow it all on tournaments while chasing a pipe dream.

This post didn't even start because he owes people a lot of money. It started
simply to make fun of the fact that he brags about how smart he is, that he went
to law school, that he's good at poker, all the while being practically broke,
whining about some bitch who dumps him all the time and how much he loves her
(even though he doesn't hesitate to fool around with other girls), and blaming
his state on his "disease".

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96 Tears

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Jun 13, 2005, 1:59:05 AM6/13/05
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"Yeah, great analogy. Dutch Boyd and Charles Manson. Good choice."


Actually, it's terrible. Manson didn't actually do anything himself, he
just told others to. Boyd did the criming himself.

Also, Boyd has my money. Manson does not.

A somewhat closer comparison would be Boyd and Mengele. Except Mengele
doesn't have my money.

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Tad Perry

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Jun 13, 2005, 2:12:53 AM6/13/05
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"Tony Popejoy" <ttpo...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>
> What's funny is that the owners of Party are FAR bigger criminals than
Dutch has
> ever been, and people are too blind to see the truth.

Tony, you've said this a couple of times. Care to elaborate? I honestly
haven't heard of any crimes they have committed or even scams. Unless you
just mean making that much money is criminal, I can't figure it out.

tvp


pokernoise

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Jun 13, 2005, 2:30:10 AM6/13/05
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It's sad to see all of the Dutch Boyd bashing.  I've known Dutch for over a year
now and can tell you that he is a very good poker player with a disease.  Plain
and simple.  I didn't lose money in his business venture, and I feel bad for
those that did.  People don't realize that online poker was still very new at
the time Pokerspot was running.  I'm not going to make excuses for his business
venture.  I know, as a person, he is motivated, intelligent, and more
importantly a nice human being.  These people that bash Dutch have never met or
been around the guy.  If you lost money in the Pokerspot venture, I feel bad. 
If you are just a Dutch Boyd basher because it's cool...I feel worse for you.

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Tony Popejoy

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On Jun 13 2005 1:13 AM, Tad Perry wrote:

> "Tony Popejoy" wrote in message

   My statements are regarding the scam that is party poker. I don't care to
elaborate tad, but you can go into the archives and look into my opinions about
Party, and some of the incidents that have led me to believe that they are
dishonest. In brief, it is regarding my experiences at Party , as well as
experiences of other professional players that I am friends with. Between my
conversations with Party, threats made, and actual manipulations of accounts. I
believe Party Poker is rigged to keep players in action. I also believe thet
have the ability to program a player to have specific results. My conclusions
are based on several data that I have collected, as well as friends data, and
phone calls in which I was told if I would "shut up" and redeposit money to
Party, that I would "find it to my likeing". This after much complaining in
private and in public. Tad if it was proveable I would wager my life if the
thieves that own Party would make the same wager. They are a business built on
deceit and manipulation and I hope that they get what 's coming to them some
day. Best of luck.

                                                                                
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thenutlow

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Jun 13, 2005, 2:50:47 AM6/13/05
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Apparently he didn't as make much money as he anticipate when he played on
party-poker, so its rigged.

a familiar tale of scammery and "its all rigged" posts, prevalent on this
board.


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Tony Popejoy

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On Jun 13 2005 12:57 AM, SuperFlyMon wrote:

> I suppose the $6,500 Dutch managed to scrounge up for four tournaments
> wouldn't
> have been put to better use paying off a little of the money he owes various
> people?

     I doubt that anyone cares to "back him" in his repayment of debt.

 Or, rather than sitting on his ass all day, I suppose getting an
> actual
> job, being that he went to law school and everything, would be too hard for
> him

    Is this the end of a sentence? Are you suggesting that he get a job to repay
people, or to pay his own way into the 10k event? I think if poker doesn't work
the way he wants it too, that he should indeed consider a job at some point in
the future.

> to actually pay his own way into the 10,000 event. While he may have
> redeeming
> qualities (very few humans don't), overall he's a parasite.

   Thats better than being a Paresol. (sp?),  Ruth the crook that owns party
poker.

  He obviously is
> not
> a genius, especially at poker, or he would be able to afford the buy-ins
> without
> begging for backers. I highly doubt the $6,500 he put up for these
> tournaments
> was all his.
>

     You are an expert in this area? Asking for backers in the poker community
is fairly common. I personally know several of the very top players in the world
that are backed or broke for some reason or another, and mostly it's not because
of their poker skills. If he can get backing to play that means that someone has
some faith in his abilities, other than himself. His previous results prove that
he has at least a little ability to get deep into a tournament and at least
knock on the door of a big payday.


> Major tournaments are largely becoming a crapshoot at this point, as most
> pro's
> admit.

  Do they? Do you speak to most of them personally, or is this what you read?
Are these "pros" proven winners? Winning any given tournament is indeed a
"crapshoot" to some degree. However, being a overall winning player, and having
the ability to continually put yourself in a position for a big payday is a
skill that few possess. Although several do, especially with the ability to win
in cheaply through satellites. I believe that Dutch probably at the very least
has the ability to grind out a meager living, but to put himself in a position
for that big payday, if that's the life he chooses.


   While if you win a tournament (or go far in one), you are sitting
> pretty, odds are just by sheer numbers you won't get there. Dutch Boyd,
> rather
> than save his money for his own well-being or to pay off backers, continues to
> blow it all on tournaments while chasing a pipe dream.
>

    He's had results before. Who are you to say that his entering tournaments is
a "pipedream"? Actually I think his odds of paying people back by grinding it
out unitl he gets a big win are much better than if he would get a 9to5 and give
up his "dreams".


> This post didn't even start because he owes people a lot of money. It started
> simply to make fun of the fact that he brags about how smart he is, that he
> went
> to law school, that he's good at poker, all the while being practically broke,
> whining about some bitch who dumps him all the time and how much he loves her
> (even though he doesn't hesitate to fool around with other girls), and blaming
> his state on his "disease".
>

>   And yet this information seems to not only keep you entertained, but it
>excites you enough that you like to publicly respond. Why is that? Does it
>make you feel better about yourself? all this form an anonymous genius that
>calls himself superflymon. Mayve boyd should pay to get some counciling form
>you. It sounds as if you have all the answers. Best of luck anyway.

                                                                                
        Tony Popejoy

Tony Popejoy

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   Your anonymous stupidity continues. My beliefs are based on personal facts ,
as well as converstions with Party Poker. I STILL make MORE  a year at party
than YOU and i still think it's rigged. I wish you find my game someday you
anonymous idiot.

                                                                                
        Tony Popejoy

On Jun 13 2005 1:50 AM, thenutlow wrote:

> Apparently he didn't as make much money as he anticipate when he played on
> party-poker, so its rigged.
>
> a familiar tale of scammery and "its all rigged" posts, prevalent on this
> board.
>
>
> On Jun 13 2005 7:12 AM, Tad Perry wrote:
>

> > "Tony Popejoy" wrote in message


> > news:1118640647$533...@recpoker.com...
> > >
> > > What's funny is that the owners of Party are FAR bigger criminals than
> > Dutch has
> > > ever been, and people are too blind to see the truth.
> >
> > Tony, you've said this a couple of times. Care to elaborate? I honestly
> > haven't heard of any crimes they have committed or even scams. Unless you
> > just mean making that much money is criminal, I can't figure it out.
> >
> > tvp
>
>
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thenutlow

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> Your anonymous stupidity continues. My beliefs are based on personal
facts ,
> as well as converstions with Party Poker. I STILL make MORE a year at party
> than YOU and i still think it's rigged. I wish you find my game someday you
> anonymous idiot.

wow, seeing as you talk in the present, that would be an indication that
you still play there.

Its one thing being an "anonymous idiot".. but its another thing to be a
named idiot.


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On Jun 13 2005 2:21 AM, thenutlow wrote:

> > Your anonymous stupidity continues. My beliefs are based on personal
> facts ,
> > as well as converstions with Party Poker. I STILL make MORE a year at party
> > than YOU and i still think it's rigged. I wish you find my game someday you
> > anonymous idiot.
>

> wow, seeing as you talk in the present, that would be an indication that
> you still play there.
>

     Of course i still play there. Only when Im with friends and staying in
vegas though. 75 days a year or so, and obviously I don't play under my name.

> Its one thing being an "anonymous idiot".. but its another thing to be a
> named idiot.
>

    It's easier to insult or make criticisms when not having to be man enough to
post your name or credentials. I still wish you well. Best of luck.

                                                                                
          Tony Popejoy
>
> On Jun 13 2005 8:07 AM, Tony Popejoy wrote:
>
> >    Your anonymous stupidity continues. My beliefs are based on personal
> facts ,
> > as well as converstions with Party Poker. I STILL make MORE  a year at party
> > than YOU and i still think it's rigged. I wish you find my game someday you
> > anonymous idiot.
> >
> >
>
>
>                                                                              

>  &nbs
> p; 


> >         Tony Popejoy
> >
> > On Jun 13 2005 1:50 AM, thenutlow wrote:
> >
> > > Apparently he didn't as make much money as he anticipate when he played on
> > > party-poker, so its rigged.
> > >
> > > a familiar tale of scammery and "its all rigged" posts, prevalent on this
> > > board.
> > >
> > >
> > > On Jun 13 2005 7:12 AM, Tad Perry wrote:
> > >
> > > > "Tony Popejoy" wrote in message
> > > > news:1118640647$533...@recpoker.com...
> > > > >
> > > > > What's funny is that the owners of Party are FAR bigger criminals than
> > > > Dutch has
> > > > > ever been, and people are too blind to see the truth.
> > > >
> > > > Tony, you've said this a couple of times. Care to elaborate? I honestly
> > > > haven't heard of any crimes they have committed or even scams. Unless
> > > > you
> > > > just mean making that much money is criminal, I can't figure it out.
> > > >
> > > > tvp
> > >
> > >
> > > re-re-bluffing with J6 rocks
>
>
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On Jun 12 2005 11:34 PM, Chet wrote:

> Tony: No disrespect intended, but you have been around this forum long
> enough to know the shenanigans pulled by Dutch.
>

    I am aware of a few, specifically the failed internet site where customers
lost money.

> Unless you have some positive experience with him, such as getting back any
> money you may have had invested in his defunct poker site, I fail to see the
> reason behind the support. Unfortunately, based on experience to date, he
> has not earned it.
>

    it's more of an idea that Dutch could be a decent human being and right his
wrongs. I understand he is certainly not without character flaws on top of his
bad business, but call it more of faith and compassion toward fellow man.


> If and when he makes good on the losses, as he himself has said he would, he
> gets back some measure of respect and support.

    I would think so. As well as I would expect him to honor his word and do
just that. I think he's too smart not to work out of his jam if he wants, but
sometimes life requires rolling up your sleeves and getting busy. Even if he
simply made a list of creditors and could come up with a plan for repayment. I
would say that if he is good enough to make 200k per year playing poker (and he
should be), that he could repay 50 or so per year until he was able to make that
one big payoff. I think just showing a public concern and a basic game plan
would restore some peoples faith in him. He sounds like a lost soul that needs
guidance. On his web site he actually asks for people to say a small prayer for
him to take down some tournament. I won't go that far, but I will pray for him
to get his life together and to work through his problems. I would do that for
anyone. best of luck.

Round_and_Round

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Who is Dutch Boyd?

bbz_Ghost

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In article <1118661392$533...@recpoker.com>, 4307...@recpoker.com says...

> Who is Dutch Boyd?
>
>
>
>
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Funniest post I've seen in weeks. :)

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Round_and_Round

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To the beat of Who is Mke Jones...


Who is Dutch Boyd?   Who is Dutch Boyd?

I'm Dutch Boyd, the one and lonely,

I think I am hot, but they won't Clone me.

I am so distraught, my girl shit on me

Im Dutch Boyd, the one and lonely,

I stole thier money, and thier all on me.

I can not take it, So I blog on it

Dutch Boyd. Im Dutch boyd, the one and lonely

I think Im hot but no one wants me

Who is Dutch Boyd? Who is Dutch Boyd?

On Jun 13 2005 5:00 AM, bbz_Ghost wrote:

> In article <1118661392$533...@recpoker.com>, 4307...@recpoker.com says...
> > Who is Dutch Boyd?
> >
> >
> >
> >
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minus200(DELETETHIS)

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what would call a person that would ask for deposits to his poker room
hours before it was closed and all the deposits went somewhere? What
would you call a person that keeps changing stories about "the check is
in the mail"? What would you call a person that keeps changing the
story about which credit card outfit "froze" the money and why he
couldnt get to the money "right now"?

I wont go into the different stories but I WAS THERE.

What would you call a person who had a chance to sell out and the
players' money would still be there but he was going to get nothing. I
am sure Russ (his name back then) has a story to cover them all. After
his success last year he actually sent me an e-mail saying he intended
to pay me some money. I suggested he pay the others off 1st perhaps
starting with John Bucahanan and pay me last. I felt like the money was
less important to me than others. His response was an attack on me
saying that I would get more fun from talking bad about him on RGP than
the money. I sent him a return saying PAY MR NOW! and never heard
another word.

Perhaps, you had to be there. Pokerspot had a chance to be something
really big but mgt dropped the ball and the rest is the story. Most con
men cant see past the 1st dollar and try to squeeze as much as possible
as quickly as possible. It could have been as big as Party but it is gone.

If you look at exactly what happened it is almost a model for a con man
operation. "But Brutus says Caesar was ambitious"

Bryan Black

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Jun 13, 2005, 4:00:42 PM6/13/05
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You guys have got to remember he was 20 when that happened. Think back
to when you were 20. I bet you did plenty of stupid stuff. He just
happened to be in a position for a lot more people to take notice.

Ted Williams

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So he has to win a million playing poker for any of those Pokerspot players to
get their money back? There's absolutely nothing he can do for them until that
happens?

Your friend who pulled you aside said that people would have more respect for
you once you pulled yourself out of the mess you made. He didn't say you should
expect them to respect you before that. I don't see anything that convinces me
that Dutch will fix his mistakes. If he proves me wrong then I may need to
re-evaluate things, but I'm not going to assume it will happen when he's done
absolutely nothing so far but lie and make excuses.


Ted

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