OT : Obama Invokes Scripture (Koran?) and Prayer at PUBLIC SCHOOL

[mo_ntresor]

OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
PUBLIC SCHOOL!

where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???

mo_ntresor

[bub]

he really cares though.

he was all misty eyed the other day......
just like he was when the 14 teens were killed at a birthday party
with guns he provided

what a phony fuck

[popinjay999]

On Dec 16, 6:00 pm, bub <b...@plottus.com> wrote:

>
> he was all misty eyed the other day......
> just like he was  when the 14 teens were killed at a birthday party
> with guns he provided
>

We're all going to be misty-eyed, when the inflation becomes a
reality. This anti-American has PRINTED a trillion dollars a year. A
TRILLION, each year!

And this fact doesn't even register with morons like Pepe who voted
for him. Clueless robots.

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 16 2012 7:00 PM, bub wrote:

> >OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
> >from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> >PUBLIC SCHOOL!
> >
> >where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> >unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>

> he really cares though.
>
> he was all misty eyed the other day......
> just like he was when the 14 teens were killed at a birthday party
> with guns he provided
>
> what a phony fuck

what's phony about him clinging to his religion?

mo_ntresor

[Alim Nassor]

On Dec 16, 7:41 pm, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

Where are all the idiots crying about the establishment clause now?

[popinjay999]

Obvious. They're hiding.

1. Clave
2. Jerry
3. Pepe
4. Dutch
5. Doggy

They're all phonies. You know it, I know it, and they themselves know
it.

Can you imagine if this was president Bush? Or Governor Huckabee?

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:5939ab62-0174-446d...@r10g2000pbd.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 16, 6:13 pm, Alim Nassor <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> On Dec 16, 7:41 pm, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on
>> > everybody
>> > from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
>> > PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>>
>> > where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
>> > unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>>
>> > mo_ntresor
>>
>> Where are all the idiots crying about the establishment clause now?
>
>
> Obvious. They're hiding.

What gaping assholes you assholes are.

http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes/top-stories/obamas-9-11-proclamation-does-not-mention-god.html

Jim

[Alim Nassor]

Or an 8 year old girl forced to remove any reference of God or of her
grandmother saying a prayer from a poem she was going to read at
school.

[brattt]

Obviously Obama is either lying or stupid to believe in mythical beings
and according to fff his mother should be charged with child abuse if he
does believe in them.



---------------------------------------------------------
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[O-PGManager]

This is a very good point. Democrats would've been up in arms if Bush
opened a speech that way.

Opie G. Manager
Rec.Gambling.Poker
Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

[O-PGManager]

There's nothing unconstitutional about it. I did find it highly
distasteful.

[Clave]

"O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:vdg2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

> On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
>
>> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
>> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
>> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>>
>> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
>> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>>
>> mo_ntresor
>
> There's nothing unconstitutional about it. I did find it highly
> distasteful.

And do you have any idea of how he'd have been lambasted if he *hadn't*
mentioned God in that speech?

http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS497US497&q=obama+doesn+t+mention+god+enough

It's just mo_stupid and Pop-Tard trying to make a tawdry political point on
the lives of 20 little kids.

Do you find *that* at all distasteful?

Jim

[O-PGManager]

On Dec 16 2012 10:45 PM, Clave wrote:

> "O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> news:vdg2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
> > On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
> >
> >> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
> >> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> >> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
> >>
> >> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> >> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
> >>
> >> mo_ntresor
> >
> > There's nothing unconstitutional about it. I did find it highly
> > distasteful.
>
> And do you have any idea of how he'd have been lambasted if he *hadn't*
> mentioned God in that speech?

He did a lot more than 'mention' him. He prattled on endlessly with
christian scripture. If Bush had done such a think you would've been
furious - but it's pretty hard to be an Obama supporter and not be a huge
hypocrite so no big deal I guess.

>
>
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_enUS497US497&q=obama+doesn+t+mention+god+enough
>
> It's just mo_stupid and Pop-Tard trying to make a tawdry political point on
> the lives of 20 little kids.
>
> Do you find *that* at all distasteful?
>
> Jim

[Jason Pawloski]

On Dec 16 2012 9:24 PM, O-PGManager wrote:

> On Dec 16 2012 10:45 PM, Clave wrote:
>
> > "O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:vdg2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
> > > On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
> > >
> > >> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on
everybody
> > >> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> > >> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
> > >>
> > >> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> > >> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
> > >>
> > >> mo_ntresor
> > >
> > > There's nothing unconstitutional about it. I did find it highly
> > > distasteful.
> >
> > And do you have any idea of how he'd have been lambasted if he *hadn't*
> > mentioned God in that speech?
>
> He did a lot more than 'mention' him. He prattled on endlessly with
> christian scripture. If Bush had done such a think you would've been
> furious - but it's pretty hard to be an Obama supporter and not be a huge
> hypocrite so no big deal I guess.
>
>

Relevant:

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"I have killed many dogs in my life, and I will kill many more." William
P. Coleman boasting about his sociopathic tendencies (cite:
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"For years, when I see one or more teenaged girls walking down the
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[O-PGManager]

On Dec 16 2012 11:26 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:

> On Dec 16 2012 9:24 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
>
> > On Dec 16 2012 10:45 PM, Clave wrote:
> >
> > > "O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
> > > news:vdg2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
> > > > On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on
> everybody
> > > >> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> > > >> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
> > > >>
> > > >> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> > > >> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
> > > >>
> > > >> mo_ntresor
> > > >
> > > > There's nothing unconstitutional about it. I did find it highly
> > > > distasteful.
> > >
> > > And do you have any idea of how he'd have been lambasted if he *hadn't*
> > > mentioned God in that speech?
> >
> > He did a lot more than 'mention' him. He prattled on endlessly with
> > christian scripture. If Bush had done such a think you would've been
> > furious - but it's pretty hard to be an Obama supporter and not be a huge
> > hypocrite so no big deal I guess.
> >
> >
>
> Relevant:
>
> http://i.qkme.me/3s7bp6.jpg

Very.

> --
> WILLIAM COLEMAN PHOTO GALLERY! See here:
> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fGg-mbTtlJ4&feature=youtu.be
>
> William Coleman of Las Vegas Nevada is a dangerous, violent convicted
> criminal. He has recently committed felonies in his harassment of an RGP
> user.
>
> "As a result of my encounter with the Henderson Police SWAT team, I
> eventually pled guilty to Conspiracy to Commit a Crime, a gross
> misdemeanor." - William Coleman admits that he is a convicted criminal
> (cite: http://recgroups.com/a/1/127894/)
>
> "I have killed many dogs in my life, and I will kill many more." William
> P. Coleman boasting about his sociopathic tendencies (cite:
> http://recgroups.com/a/1/128390/)
>
> "For years, when I see one or more teenaged girls walking down the
> street, I pull up beside them and ask them if they want to go smoke
> dope and fuck. Amazingly, this technique gets good results fairly
> often. Otherwise, I wouldn't continue to use it." Convicted criminal
> William Coleman (cite: http://recgroups.com/a/1/123930/)
>
> WARNING! 67-year old convicted criminal William Coleman describes how he
> uses Facebook to meet minor girls. See:
> http://recgroups.com/t/1/123914#a123914

[O-PGManager]

On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:

What was most offensive to me was implying the tragedy was "God's
heavenly plan".

[ChrisRobin]

On Dec 16 2012 11:24 PM, O-PGManager wrote:

> He did a lot more than 'mention' him. He prattled on endlessly with
> christian scripture. If Bush had done such a think you would've been
> furious - but it's pretty hard to be an Obama supporter and not be a huge
> hypocrite so no big deal I guess.

It's simply amazing how much a tragedy like this will cause people to
abandon any and all rational thought. This was a sitting president,
speaking as if this event had conveyed him with some sort of divine
authority. Creepy, creepy stuff.

[ChrisRobin]

On Dec 16 2012 11:26 PM, Jason Pawloski wrote:

> Relevant:
>
> http://i.qkme.me/3s7bp6.jpg

That pretty much sums up the appalling hypocrisy of this country.

[popinjay999]

On Dec 16, 7:15 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> and according to fff his mother should be charged with child abuse if he
> does believe in them.
>

According to fff his mother should rub his nose in it.

[O-PGManager]

On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:

Takeaways from this speech -

-this sadness is outweighed by the eternal glory that awaits us
-god did not see fit to keep the children on this earth
-this was god's heavenly plan
-Jesus and god called for these children's death
-God should be blessed for doing so.

[O-PGManager]

And people like Clave will defend him by saying this creepy "it was all
God's plan" stuff wasn't sincere - (Imagine that, defending someone by
arguing they were looking grieving parents in the eye and lying to them.)
I think it was very sincere though - casts light on the underlying
sickness and megalomania that allows someone like Obama or Bush to
extinguish so many lives without remorse.

[Clave]

"O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

news:0um2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

> On Dec 16 2012 11:45 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>
>> On Dec 16 2012 11:24 PM, O-PGManager wrote:
>>
>> > He did a lot more than 'mention' him. He prattled on endlessly with
>> > christian scripture. If Bush had done such a think you would've been
>> > furious - but it's pretty hard to be an Obama supporter and not be a
>> > huge
>> > hypocrite so no big deal I guess.
>>
>> It's simply amazing how much a tragedy like this will cause people to
>> abandon any and all rational thought. This was a sitting president,
>> speaking as if this event had conveyed him with some sort of divine
>> authority. Creepy, creepy stuff.
>
> And people like Clave will defend him by saying this creepy "it was all

> God's plan" stuff wasn't sincere...

Really?

Jim

[O-PGManager]

So all that jesus prattling and gods plan chose for these kids to die
stuff was sincere?

[Clave]

"O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

news:rho2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

When did I offer an opinion about it?

Jim

[Alim Nassor]

On Dec 16, 9:45 pm, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

>
> news:vdg2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
>
> > On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
>
> >> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
> >> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> >> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>
> >> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> >> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>
> >> mo_ntresor
>
> > There's nothing unconstitutional about it.  I did find it highly
> > distasteful.
>
> And do you have any idea of how he'd have been lambasted if he *hadn't*
> mentioned God in that speech?
>

> http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&ie=UTF-8&rlz=1T4GGHP_...

>
> It's just mo_stupid and Pop-Tard trying to make a tawdry political point on
> the lives of 20 little kids.
>
> Do you find *that* at all distasteful?
>
> Jim

Either the exclusion clause mean's what they say it means, all the
time, or it doesn't Obama does not get to pick and chose where or
when he ignores it.

Personally, I'm fine with the speech, I find his (and your) double
standard repugnant.

[Alim Nassor]

But, by God, don't let an 8 year old mention prayer in a poem she was

[O-PGManager]

"And do you have any idea of how he'd have been lambasted if he *hadn't*
mentioned God in that speech?"

[Alim Nassor]

On Dec 17, 12:27 am, "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Dec 17 2012 12:52 AM, Clave wrote:
>
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> > "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

> >news:rho2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
> > > On Dec 17 2012 12:31 AM, Clave wrote:
>

> > >> "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

Hell he didn't just mention God, he was in full blown Jimmy Swaggart
style revival mode.

[Clave]

"Alim Nassor" <alimn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:205e3aa9-9691-4dc7...@me7g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

LOL -- as a constitutional scholar, you make a great gun nut.

Jim

[Alim Nassor]

On Dec 17, 12:27 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "Alim Nassor" <alimnas...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

LOL, you think you can pick and chose when and where the constitution
should be applied. That just makes you fucking stupid.

[Clave]

"Alim Nassor" <alimn...@yahoo.com> wrote in message

news:fe521897-7452-4d46...@vb8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

I know the difference between the two events in question, k00k.

Let's see how long it takes for *you* to figure it out.

Jim

[Clave]

"O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

news:ekq2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

How does that comment in the *least* on his sincerity?

Talk about manufactured outrage.

Isn't it about time to answer my question about whether you find mo_stupid
and Pop-Tard's taking advantage of this to score sub-TMZ-level political
points with this?

Maybe not. I guess all I need to do is watch you picking up the ball and
running with it yourself for the answer to that one.

Jim

[O-PGManager]

Do you mean the establishment clause? It definitely doesn't apply to a
President making a speech to grieving parents. It's about passing laws.

Obama's speech bothered me, but there was nothing unconstitutional about
it.

[O-PGManager]

I thought you were implying it wasn't sincere. I guess I was wrong. Can
you fill me in? Was he sincerely invoking all this creepy gods plan
stuff? Or was he just saying it to appease fox news? Can you answer that
for me?

>
> Talk about manufactured outrage.
>
> Isn't it about time to answer my question about whether you find mo_stupid
> and Pop-Tard's taking advantage of this to score sub-TMZ-level political
> points with this?

As far as I see Paul didn't even comment on it. The point Mo is trying to
score is against "secular progressives" like yourself who claim to hate
religion and government mixing until it is your hero who is doing it.
Congrats on making him successful - it's rare.

>
> Maybe not. I guess all I need to do is watch you picking up the ball and
> running with it yourself for the answer to that one.
>
> Jim

[Alim Nassor]

There is no difference.

[Alim Nassor]

That's not at all how the left views the establishment clause. I
also had no problem with his speech, and I know it's not
unconstitutional. The problem is the double standard.

[Clave]

"O-PGManager" <ad6...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

news:h3t2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

Fuck you. It wasn't news at the school event, and it isn't news at the
Presidential event.

Find something better to pee yourself over.

Jim

[Alim Nassor]

On Dec 17, 1:17 am, "Clave" <ChrisClav...@TheMonastery.com> wrote:
> "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

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> > On Dec 17 2012 1:44 AM, Clave wrote:
>

> >> "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

> >>news:ekq2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
> >> > On Dec 17 2012 12:52 AM, Clave wrote:
>

> >> >> "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

> >> >>news:rho2q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
> >> >> > On Dec 17 2012 12:31 AM, Clave wrote:
>

> >> >> >> "O-PGManager" <ad63...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

Contortions can be painful eh?

[Pepe Papon]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 18:07:31 -0800 (PST), popinjay999
<paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>On Dec 16, 6:00 pm, bub <b...@plottus.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> he was all misty eyed the other day......
>> just like he was  when the 14 teens were killed at a birthday party
>> with guns he provided
>>
>
>
>We're all going to be misty-eyed, when the inflation becomes a
>reality. This anti-American has PRINTED a trillion dollars a year. A
>TRILLION, each year!
>
>And this fact doesn't even register with morons like Pepe who voted
>for him. Clueless robots.

You're so cute when you pretend to know what I think.
--

Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon

[brattt]

At a school sponsored event a little girl tries to tell a story using the
word God. No prayer, just using the word. BAD

At a government sponsored event the POTUS is speaking as the POTUS and
invokes Gods wrath and Gods glory and Gods whatever. GOOD


---------------------------------------------------------
Jerry's litigate that Walmart employees did not strike Walmart

LABOR BOARD CALLS WALMART STRIKE DECISION 'COMPLEX'

On Nov. 29, Jerry n'Vegas wrote
Walmart employees did not strike Walmart.

http://tinyurl.com/cmskadk

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 17 2012 5:47 AM, brattt wrote:

> At a school sponsored event a little girl tries to tell a story using the
> word God. No prayer, just using the word. BAD
>
> At a government sponsored event the POTUS is speaking as the POTUS and
> invokes Gods wrath and Gods glory and Gods whatever. GOOD

life's a lot simpler as a non-partisan who thinks.

mo_ntresor

[Abbey Johnsson]

On Dec 16 2012 10:33 PM, O-PGManager wrote:

> On Dec 16 2012 8:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
>
> > OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
> > from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> > PUBLIC SCHOOL!
> >
> > where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> > unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
> >
> > mo_ntresor
>
> There's nothing unconstitutional about it. I did find it highly
> distasteful.
>

> Opie G. Manager
> Rec.Gambling.Poker
> Assistant Newsgroup Coordinator Emeritus (2009-2011)

i thought it was a dignified, thoughtful, solemn 'speech'. shame on
you people for attacking Obama about this. i dont think i realized the
deepness of your alls hatred until this thread. you people are truly
disgusting.

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 17 2012 6:40 AM, Abbey Johnsson wrote:

> > > OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
> > > from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> > > PUBLIC SCHOOL!
> > >
> > > where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> > > unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
> >

> > There's nothing unconstitutional about it. I did find it highly
> > distasteful.
>

> i thought it was a dignified, thoughtful, solemn 'speech'. shame on
> you people for attacking Obama about this. i dont think i realized the
> deepness of your alls hatred until this thread. you people are truly
> disgusting.

who said anything bad about obama?

mo_ntresor

[BillB]

On 17/12/2012 5:40 AM, Abbey Johnsson wrote:

> i dont think i realized the
> deepness of your alls hatred until this thread.

Really?? Where have you been? I've been highlighting it for years.

In fairness though, most of the hatred is only skin deep.

[Alim Nassor]

This isn't about Obama. I have no problem with his speech. My
problem is the double standard of the left.

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 17 2012 7:42 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:

> >   i thought it was a dignified, thoughtful, solemn 'speech'.   shame on
> > you people for attacking Obama about this.  i dont think i realized the
> > deepness of your alls hatred until this thread.  you people are truly
> > disgusting.
>
> This isn't about Obama. I have no problem with his speech. My
> problem is the double standard of the left.

remember the findings on the topic:

leftwing most womanly -- emotional voters.
libertarians most rational.

mo_ntresor

[O-PGManager]

Your endless pimping for the GOPs sad candidate proves you are about the
farthest thing from non-partisan.

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 17 2012 8:47 AM, O-PGManager wrote:

> > life's a lot simpler as a non-partisan who thinks.
>

> Your endless pimping for the GOPs sad candidate proves you are about the
> farthest thing from non-partisan.

yes, the candidate i supported was a republican's wetdream. LOL. you
really aren't very bright.

mo_ntresor

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 17 2012 12:10 AM, O-PGManager wrote:

> As far as I see Paul didn't even comment on it. The point Mo is trying to
> score is against "secular progressives" like yourself who claim to hate
> religion and government mixing until it is your hero who is doing it.
> Congrats on making him successful - it's rare.

what on earth do you pretend to know about success, law school student?

mo_ntresor

[O-PGManager]

On Dec 17 2012 2:18 AM, Alim Nassor wrote:

> That's not at all how the left views the establishment clause. I
> also had no problem with his speech, and I know it's not
> unconstitutional. The problem is the double standard.

I challenge you to find me one person on the left making an argument that
mere Presidential speech constitutes a violation of the establishment
clause.

Secular liberals claim not to like the mixing of religion and government
in the public square - but all 'establishment clause' criticisms leveled
at Bush concerned his allocating of tax dollars to churches to carry out
'faith based' initiatives. (as with most bad Bush policies, Obama has kept
this one going strong, and all the liberals quit whining about it.)

[O-PGManager]

Anyone who says obama care = horrible, romneycare = very, very good,
without bothering to explain other than hollering "state laws good!!"
loses the right to call himself non-partisan.

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 17 2012 9:28 AM, O-PGManager wrote:

> > yes, the candidate i supported was a republican's wetdream. LOL. you
> > really aren't very bright.
>

> Anyone who says obama care = horrible, romneycare = very, very good,
> without bothering to explain other than hollering "state laws good!!"
> loses the right to call himself non-partisan.

uh, who said that? you're not literate. you just can't be.

mo_ntresor

[fffurken]

On Dec 17, 1:40 pm, "Abbey Johnsson" <ac68...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>   i thought it was a dignified, thoughtful, solemn 'speech'.   shame on
> you people for attacking Obama about this.  i dont think i realized the
> deepness of your alls hatred until this thread.  you people are truly
> disgusting.

God/Religion does give comfort to many in exceptionally tragic times
like this and although I haven't seen the event in full, certainly
from snippets I saw that unity and togetherness was a central theme.
To criticise the president of a country with so many religious people
in it for talking about God at an event like this is truly nothing
more than a hateful attack and the usual Obama-haters are here to do
that (people like mo_ron, PDS, bub, Poptard). I also, btw, don't see
why it should have offended any non-theist either.

[popinjay999]

I think Opie did inch toward having a problem with Obama.

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 9:28 am, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> God/Religion does give comfort to many in exceptionally tragic times
> like this and although I haven't seen the event in full, certainly
> from snippets I saw that unity and togetherness was a central theme.
> To criticise the president of a country with so many religious people
> in it for talking about God at an event like this is truly nothing
> more than a hateful attack and the usual Obama-haters are here to do
> that (people like mo_ron, PDS, bub, Poptard). I also, btw, don't see
> why it should have offended any non-theist either.

But the "usual Obama-haters like mo_ron, PDS, bub, and Pop-Tard", did
NOT criticize Obama. Stick your nose in it, liar.

[fffurken]

Gimme a break.

I almost threw up after reading the first half dozen or so posts in
this thread.

Yours being -

"We're all going to be misty-eyed, when the inflation becomes a
reality. This anti-American has PRINTED a trillion dollars a year. A
TRILLION, each year!"

This thread has been even more distasteful than Stolofgate.

[mo_ntresor]

paul, let's face reality: we're dealing with very very stupid people here.

mo_ntresor

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 9:54 am, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Gimme a break.
>
> I almost threw up after reading the first half dozen or so posts in
> this thread.
>
> Yours being -
>
> "We're all going to be misty-eyed, when the inflation becomes a
> reality. This anti-American has PRINTED a trillion dollars a year. A
> TRILLION, each year!"
>

But I didn't attack him for the speech and neither did any of the
other names you mentioned. I said Opie might have, but I don't feel
like going back over the thread to find out. Not for free anyway.

So you're just a liar. Just like your co-liars Clave and Jerry. Have
a nice year.

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 9:59 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

>
> paul, let's face reality:  we're dealing with very very stupid people here.
>
> mo_ntresor

I'm definitely going to give Clave the year off, and I'm seriously
considering throwing Jerry and Fffurken in the box too. They're worse
than Beldin. I may have to get another newsreader. Or maybe I'll
take a break from this cesspool in 2013. I still have a couple weeks
to decide.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:d3f5bea7-0dd1-4ef5...@po6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

Tee-fucking-hee.

[Clave]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:37785228-4cd4-4653...@vb8g2000pbb.googlegroups.com...

> On Dec 17, 9:59 am, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>> paul, let's face reality: we're dealing with very very stupid people
>> here.
>>
>> mo_ntresor
>
>

> I'm definitely going to give Clave the year off...

Which is what you do when you get roundly spanked. What a pussy.

Jim

[fffurken]

As if that's even a prequesite. You and your fellow Obama-haters are
joining in a chorus of criticism one way or the other over a national
tragedy. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

[Clave]

"fffurken" <fffu...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:851f9890-fbeb-4f75...@a15g2000vbf.googlegroups.com...

Objection: Assumes presence of conscience not in evidence.

Jim

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 10:12 am, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> As if that's even a prequesite. You and your fellow Obama-haters are
> joining in a chorus of criticism one way or the other over a national
> tragedy. You ought to be ashamed of yourselves.

Liar liar, pants on fire. Alim said it well. It's not Obama, it's
the hypocricy and double standard by the Left. Obama made a nice
speech. I don't think Opie liked it, though.

[brattt]

The question is how you can live with the hypocrisy when a little girl
can't mention the word god - not say a prayer, but tell a story involving
the word god, and yet in everyones minds this speech was acceptable?

I don't have strong religious beliefs either way - I think they should
have been allowed.

Can you not see the hyprocisy?

[brattt]

On Dec 17 2012 12:37 AM, Clave wrote:


> I know the difference between the two events in question, k00k.
>
> Let's see how long it takes for *you* to figure it out.
>
> Jim

I think I figured it out, but you didn't respond so I'll try again. At
least tell me if I'm close.

At a school sponsored event a little girl tries to tell a story using the
word God. No prayer, just using the word. BAD

At a government sponsored event the POTUS is speaking as the POTUS and
invokes Gods wrath and Gods glory and Gods whatever. GOOD

[fffurken]

On Dec 17, 7:14 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> I think I figured it out, but you didn't respond so I'll try again.  At
> least tell me if I'm close.
>
> At a school sponsored event a little girl tries to tell a story using the
> word God.  No prayer, just using the word.  BAD
>
> At a government sponsored event the POTUS is speaking as the POTUS and
> invokes Gods wrath and Gods glory and Gods whatever.  GOOD

Stop saying "government sponsored event" as if what it was about
doesn't matter.

[ChrisRobin]

On Dec 17 2012 12:28 PM, fffurken wrote:

> God/Religion does give comfort to many in exceptionally tragic times
> like this and although I haven't seen the event in full, certainly
> from snippets I saw that unity and togetherness was a central theme.
> To criticise the president of a country with so many religious people
> in it for talking about God at an event like this is truly nothing
> more than a hateful attack and the usual Obama-haters are here to do
> that (people like mo_ron, PDS, bub, Poptard). I also, btw, don't see
> why it should have offended any non-theist either.

Only speaking for myself here (and not the other "haters")... There are
two reasons I found this speech particularly disturbing: One, he seemed to
be assuming the mantle of a religious/spiritual leader, which IMO is a
dangerous overreach for a head of state. Leave that to the pastors. Two,
in light of his enthusiastic support of drone strikes, executive
assassinations, ongoing wars throughout the Middle East, etc. – by which
he has basically assumed the legal and moral justification to murder
anyone, anywhere, at his sole discretion – his sorrow strikes me as
absolutely the most hypocritical and insincere expression of sympathy
imaginable.

American culture has become such a bizarre, cognitively dissonant mess –
we're inappropriately, almost voyeuristically grief-stricken by a tragedy
that has no direct impact on our lives (like Sandy Hook), and yet we're
absolutely impervious these very same feelings when we inflict horrors
orders of magnitude worse on non-white foreigners all over the world. And
we wonder why our children grow up confused, angry and depressed?

[fffurken]

Speaking of sincerity, I have no reason to be absolutely convinced he
even believes in God privately, but he's an American President so he
has no choice publicly.

[brattt]

*sigh* never said it didn't matter. In fact I think the speech he gave
was very nice. I am just confused about why you refuse to answer what the
difference was and why one was OK and the other one not.

[fffurken]

On Dec 17, 7:34 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> On Dec 17 2012 1:21 PM, fffurken wrote:
>
> > On Dec 17, 7:14 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > > I think I figured it out, but you didn't respond so I'll try again. At
> > > least tell me if I'm close.
>
> > > At a school sponsored event a little girl tries to tell a story using the
> > > word God. No prayer, just using the word. BAD
>
> > > At a government sponsored event the POTUS is speaking as the POTUS and
> > > invokes Gods wrath and Gods glory and Gods whatever. GOOD
>
> > Stop saying "government sponsored event" as if what it was about
> > doesn't matter.
>
> *sigh*  never said it didn't matter.  In fact I think the speech he gave
> was very nice.  I am just confused about why you refuse to answer what the
> difference was and why one was OK and the other one not.

I can't answer a question that does not apply to me. I believe I said
that I *personally* "wouldn't have the slightest problem" with the
inclusion of the word God in the poem.

I also recognise these two things as different and I think the Obama
criticism or any politically motivated attack should be left at the
door.

[fffurken]

On Dec 17, 7:05 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> The question is how you can live with the hypocrisy when a little girl
> can't mention the word god - not say a prayer, but tell a story involving
> the word god, and yet in everyones minds this speech was acceptable?
>
> I don't have strong religious beliefs either way - I think they should
> have been allowed.
>
> Can you not see the hyprocisy?

Sorry, I responded to your post to Clave rather than this one to me.

I don't believe there is any hypocrisy, you're notorious for seeing
hypocrisy where it doesn't exist (particularly if it's critical of
anything Democrat).

[ChrisRobin]

On Dec 17 2012 2:34 PM, fffurken wrote:

> Speaking of sincerity, I have no reason to be absolutely convinced he
> even believes in God privately, but he's an American President so he
> has no choice publicly.

Christian "God," of course. No others are permitted to apply.

[phlash74]

The difference is in the case of the little girl's speech, the school
board was covering their asses for fear of a lawsuit from some asshole who
would claim their kid was irrevocably scarred by hearing the word "God".

I'm not religious in the slightest, but I said the Pledge of Allegiance
every day in elementary school and never had a problem with it. We have
too many fuckwit lawyers who have perverted the right of free speech into
the right not to be offended.

Michael

-----------------
"You're his [Romney's] bitch, your vote doesn't count." - Dutch, to noted
right wing teabagger Chuck "halfpastdead" Jackson

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 11:44 am, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> I also recognise these two things as different and I think the Obama
> criticism or any politically motivated attack should be left at the
> door.

They're not criticizing or attacking Obama, you fucking dope. Maybe
Opie was, but Mo_ron, PDS, and I were not. I'm still waiting for an
apology, and I think we all deserve one. Are you man enough to
apologize or admit that you are wrong? Or is that what you call "old
school", never admitting that you were wrong, just like in the old
days when putting a puppy's dog in shit was state of the art.

[fffurken]

On Dec 17, 8:07 pm, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> On Dec 17, 7:05 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
>
> > The question is how you can live with the hypocrisy when a little girl
> > can't mention the word god - not say a prayer, but tell a story involving
> > the word god, and yet in everyones minds this speech was acceptable?
>
> > I don't have strong religious beliefs either way - I think they should
> > have been allowed.
>
> > Can you not see the hyprocisy?
>
> Sorry, I responded to your post to Clave rather than this one to me.

Oops No, I think they were both to me.

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 12:05 pm, "ChrisRobin"

>
> Christian "God," of course. No others are permitted to apply.

God is God, no matter what He's called by different religions. But
you're not qualified to offer an opinion on that anyway. Hypocrite!

[fffurken]

Of course they're criticising Obama, you fucking dope. Oh else
commited this terrible hypocrisy in HIS speech or is questioning his
sincerity over all else?

YOU also criticised Obama in this thread and I have already told you
that criticism of the speech was not a prerequisite. You're the
fucking liar calling me a liar!

Jesus, now I know what it must feel like to be Opie, stoloff.

[brattt]

You yourself said you believe that Obama is a liar.

[fffurken]

On Dec 17, 8:30 pm, "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> You yourself said you believe that Obama is a liar.

How so?

If you're referring to the fact that I said I have no reason to be
absolutely convinced he believes in God privately, that isn't the same
thing as calling him a liar. If he actually doesn't believe in God
privately he certainly won't be the first Amercan politician to
profess a believe in God publicly. You can't get elected to high
office in the States as an atheist.

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 12:18 pm, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> YOU also criticised Obama in this thread and I have already told you
> that criticism of the speech was not a prerequisite. You're the
> fucking liar calling me a liar!
>

I criticized Obama's spending, completely separate from the speech or
religion issue. He doesn't get a pass on spending just because he
made a nice speech. None of US have a problem with his religious
speech. That would be Opie and Chris Robin who are phony atheist
assholes in the first place. You're the liar, insinuating that Mo and
I were criticizing his use of a religious speech. Liar!

[fffurken]

Are you dense?

Did you or did you not use this thread to criticise Obama, yes you
did, that's what I said when I listed you as an Obama-hater, Obama-
hater.

[razzo...@gmail.com]

OP, God can't be blessed, you idiot.
LOLOLOLOLOOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

[razzo...@gmail.com]

MO, President Obama didn't *invoke* anything from the fucking Koran. WTF?
LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

BTW, you should get off this shithole for a day or two and see what's up out there.

[popinjay999]

On Dec 17, 12:46 pm, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>
> Are you dense?
>
> Did you or did you not use this thread to criticise Obama, yes you
> did, that's what I said when I listed you as an Obama-hater, Obama-
> hater.

I am an Obama-hater. Never said I wasn't. But he made a nice speech,
fuckface.

[brattt]

On Dec 16 2012 7:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:

> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>
> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>
> mo_ntresor

the chirping (or lack thereof) from the usual suspects is amazing in this
thread.

[Clave]

"brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:8ar6q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

> On Dec 16 2012 7:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
>
>> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
>> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
>> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>>
>> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
>> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>>
>> mo_ntresor
>
> the chirping (or lack thereof) from the usual suspects is amazing in this
> thread.

Do you suppose it might be because the only people who think it's anything
remotely approaching an issue are a handful of constitutionally illiterate
internet whack-a-doodles?

Jim

[brattt]

No - I suppose that it might be because you have no defense.

[Clave]

"brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

news:kft6q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...

> On Dec 18 2012 1:22 PM, Clave wrote:
>
>> "brattt" <af3...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:8ar6q9x...@news.ezprovider.com...
>> > On Dec 16 2012 7:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
>> >
>> >> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on
>> >> everybody
>> >> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
>> >> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>> >>
>> >> where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
>> >> unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>> >>
>> >> mo_ntresor
>> >
>> > the chirping (or lack thereof) from the usual suspects is amazing in
>> > this
>> > thread.
>>
>> Do you suppose it might be because the only people who think it's
>> anything
>> remotely approaching an issue are a handful of constitutionally
>> illiterate
>> internet whack-a-doodles?
>>
>> Jim
>
> No - I suppose that it might be because you have no defense.

LOL -- you don't have to prove my point for me, but thanks.

Jim

[brattt]

well, you have conveniently dodgeted this part of the thread, which was in
response to you, so what ever can I assume except that you have no defense?

Older part copied/pasted below ---------------------

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

>I know the difference between the two events in question, k00k.

> Let's see how long it takes for *you* to figure it out.

> Jim

[Adam Russell]

On 12/18/2012 11:04 AM, brattt wrote:
> On Dec 16 2012 7:41 PM, mo_ntresor wrote:
>
>> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
>> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
>> PUBLIC SCHOOL!

I dont think I remember any serious complaints about the mere mention of
God by a public speaker. As I remember it, the complaints were about
teaching scripture and beliefs based on scripture, teaching christian
based songs, public monuments to judeo/christianity, and allowing
christian based clubs to use public property while disallowing alternate
belief clubs.

[mo_ntresor]

On Dec 18 2012 1:34 PM, Adam Russell wrote:

> >> OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
> >> from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
> >> PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>
> I dont think I remember any serious complaints about the mere mention of
> God by a public speaker. As I remember it, the complaints were about
> teaching scripture and beliefs based on scripture, teaching christian
> based songs, public monuments to judeo/christianity, and allowing
> christian based clubs to use public property while disallowing alternate
> belief clubs.

you haven't been keeping up.

mo_ntresor

[fffurken]

On Dec 18, 8:43 pm, "mo_ntresor" <amontilladofortun...@gmail.com>
wrote:

> > I dont think I remember any serious complaints about the mere mention of
> > God by a public speaker.  As I remember it, the complaints were about
> > teaching scripture and beliefs based on scripture, teaching christian
> > based songs, public monuments to judeo/christianity, and allowing
> > christian based clubs to use public property while disallowing alternate
> > belief clubs.
>
> you haven't been keeping up.

lol Yeah, Paul did make a bit of a song and dance about it, didn't he.

Anyway, you just don't get it do you, you idiot Obama-haters are
screaming blue murder now over people not complaining about an
hypocrisy which DOES NOT EXIST.

Seriously, did you set foot in the University of Chicago to clean the
toilets even?

[brattt]

and I'll count this as dodget number 28.

[Pepe Papon]

On Sun, 16 Dec 2012 17:41:12 -0800, "mo_ntresor"
<amontillad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>OMFG, can you believe this man forcing his religious beliefs on everybody
>from the podium of one of our sacred, secular national institutions, a
>PUBLIC SCHOOL!
>
>where's the mighty indignant left, will the lawyer whores let this
>unconstitutional ABOMINATION STAND???
>
>mo_ntresor

Thank you for demonstrating, once again, your utter inability to
understand the positions of people who disagree with you.
--

Pepe "Superior to Pickle" Papon