OT: Fuck Ozzie Guillen

[popinjay999]

Hey Ozzie! Take a one-way trip to Cuba you fucking asshole!

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MIAMI (AP) Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen has been suspended for
five games because of his comments about Fidel Castro.

The suspension by the team takes effect immediately. It was announced
Tuesday shortly before Guillen was to hold a news conference to
explain his remarks, which caused a public backlash.

Guillen told Time magazine he loves Castro and respects the retired
Cuban leader for staying in power so long. At least two local
officials said Guillen should lose his job.

[FREE SPEECH]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT), popinjay999
<paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 10, 10:27 am, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com>

wrote:

>
> Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.
>

Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment someday. Congress did not
suspend Ozzie Guillen. You fucking moron.

[Dave the Clueless]

Thank you. That shit gets so fucking old.

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Arguing with a liberal is like playing chess with a pigeon. It doesn't
matter how good you are at chess since the pigeon is just going to knock
over the pieces, crap on the board and strut around likes it’s victorious.

---- 

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 10, 1:27 pm, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT), popinjay999
>

> <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.

The Constitution protects Ozzie's right to say it, as in it protects
him from prosecution and, extending it a bit, says that he does not
forfeit his right to be protected from violence just because he says
it.

It does NOT protect him from people reacting negatively in a law-
abiding way. His ball club did not arrest him or attack him
physically. They didn't even fire him, although they have a legal
right to do so. They suspended him.

Mr. Popinjay did not claim that Ozzie should have been arrested or
have him attacked by thugs. He merely expressed his disapproval, which
is HIS constitutional right. I stand in agreement with Mr. Popinjay.

Ozzie's respect for Castro for staying in power so long is exactly
like respecting any tyrant for being a tyrant. The people killed to
earn that respect should haunt Ozzie forever.

--
Will in New Haven

[Dutch]

"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote

> Ozzie's respect for Castro for staying in power so long is exactly
> like respecting any tyrant for being a tyrant. The people killed to
> earn that respect should haunt Ozzie forever.

As opposed to all the tyrants and murderers that Uncle Sam has put in power
and armed to the teeth over the past century because they believed it was in
their interests to do so. The list is endless. Let's try not to get too
self-righteous here.

[FangBanger]

we propped up bautista.. not Castro ..einstein


I know the 2 billion is an inflated number, but no one has come up
with a figure that is accurate.

Alim acknowleding that he is full of shit

_______________________________________________________________________ 

[FangBanger]

thats what people dont understand .. the "people" are more than justified
in their retribution , but if one word comes from the government , then I
would side with Ozzie

this is social interaction at its finest

I know the 2 billion is an inflated number, but no one has come up
with a figure that is accurate.

Alim acknowleding that he is full of shit

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[Dutch]

"FangBanger" <a29...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:obie59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...

[Dutch]

"FangBanger" <a29...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:obie59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...

> On Apr 10 2012 12:33 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
>> On Apr 10, 10:27 am, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >
>> > Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.
>> >
>>
>>
>> Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment someday. Congress did not
>> suspend Ozzie Guillen. You fucking moron.
>
> thats what people dont understand .. the "people" are more than justified
> in their retribution , but if one word comes from the government , then I
> would side with Ozzie

His employers are not "the people" and nobody is entitled to "retribution"
against a person for speaking his mind.

[Dutch]

"FangBanger" <a29...@webnntp.invalid> wrote

> On Apr 10 2012 3:04 PM, Dutch wrote:
>
>> "Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote
>>
>> > Ozzie's respect for Castro for staying in power so long is exactly
>> > like respecting any tyrant for being a tyrant. The people killed to
>> > earn that respect should haunt Ozzie forever.
>>
>> As opposed to all the tyrants and murderers that Uncle Sam has put in
>> power
>> and armed to the teeth over the past century because they believed it was
>> in
>> their interests to do so. The list is endless. Let's try not to get too
>> self-righteous here.
>
> we propped up bautista.. not Castro ..einstein

USA Supported Dictators
Abacha, General Sani - Nigeria
Amin, Idi - Uganda
Banzer, Colonel Hugo - Bolivia
Batista, Fulgencio - Cuba
Bolkiah, Sir Hassanal - Brunei
Botha, P.W. - South Africa
Branco, General Humberto - Brazil
Cedras, Raoul - Haiti
Cerezo, Vinicio - Guatemala
Chiang Kai-Shek - Taiwan
Cordova, Roberto Suazo - Honduras
Christiani, Alfredo - El Salvador
Diem, Ngo Dihn - Vietnam
Doe, General Samuel - Liberia
Duvalier, Francois - Haiti
Duvalier, Jean Claude - Haiti
Fahd bin'Abdul-'Aziz, King - Saudi Arabia
Franco, General Francisco - Spain
Hitler, Adolf - Germany
Hassan II - Morocco
Marcos, Ferdinand - Philippines
Martinez, General Maximiliano - El Salvador
Mobutu Sese Seko - Zaire
Noriega, General Manuel - Panama
Ozal, Turgut - Turkey
Pahlevi, Shah Mohammed Reza - Iran
Papadopoulos, George - Greece
Park Chung Hee - South Korea
Pinochet, General Augusto - Chile
Pol Pot - Cambodia
Rabuka, General Sitiveni - Fiji
Montt, General Efrain Rios - Guatemala
Salassie, Halie - Ethiopia
Salazar, Antonio de Oliveira - Portugal
Somoza, Anastasio Jr. - Nicaragua
Somoza, Anastasio, Sr. - Nicaragua
Smith, Ian - Rhodesia
Stroessner, Alfredo - Paraguay
Suharto, General - Indonesia
Trujillo, Rafael Leonidas - Dominican Republic
Videla, General Jorge Rafael - Argentina
Zia Ul-Haq, Mohammed - Pakistan

Lets not forget Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden

einstein

[popinjay999]

On Apr 10, 2:06 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote

>

>
> > we propped up bautista.. not Castro ..einstein
>

><snip>

>
> Lets not forget Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden
>
> einstein

lol What country was Osama bin Laden the dictator of?

This is classic, Dutch and Dawgster, the blind leading the blind.

[Von Fourche]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:8abdf595-75f9-4804...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...

> Hey Ozzie! Take a one-way trip to Cuba you fucking asshole!
>
> ---------------------------------
>
> MIAMI (AP) Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen has been suspended for
> five games because of his comments about Fidel Castro.

The Cubans in Miami are some of the most arrogant and nutty people in the
U.S.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 10, 3:19 pm, "Von Fourche" <khonak...@hotmail32865473.com>
wrote:

>
>   The Cubans in Miami are some of the most arrogant and nutty people in the
> U.S.

Von Fourche, YOU are one of the nuttiest people this newsgroup has
ever seen, so you really aren't someone who should talk about how
others are nutty. And I mean that sincerely, not just to be ribbing
you. I am quite serious, and have read your posts over the years. I
don't know what your problem is, but you are weird weird weird. WEIRD!

[Dutch]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

> On Apr 10, 2:06 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote
>>
>
>>
>> > we propped up bautista.. not Castro ..einstein
>>
>><snip>
>>
>> Lets not forget Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden
>>
>> einstein
>
>
>
> lol What country was Osama bin Laden the dictator of?

I didn't say he was the dictator of a country, I said lets not forget him.
Your government funded him when they thought is was in their interests.

> This is classic, Dutch and Dawgster, the blind leading the blind.

Snip a long list of brutal dictators your government supported like it never
happened, and crucify a guy for admiring one man who stood up to that
government.

Classic popinjay

[arseniccollection]

On 4/10/2012 15:19, Von Fourche wrote:

> The Cubans in Miami are some of the most arrogant and nutty people in the
> U.S.
>

But, the Cuban chicks in Miami are the hottest women in the US, bar
none. They look like cartoon drawings, with their breasts overflowing
their tight tops, narrowed exposed midriffs, and flared hips stuffed
into way-too-small jeans.

So, the Cuban-American community can do whatever it wants.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 10, 3:42 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

I'm not arguing about any particular "dictator" or whether our
government aided him. Fuck you, I have been quite vocal about what
our government has wrongly supported in the past. Where the fuck have
you been, fuck face? I don't know any other RGPer who has been MORE
vocal about this subject, you snot nose little punk.

But YOU listed a long list of supposed dictators, and then wrote Osama
bin Laden's name at the end. So what is one supposed to think? You
didn't qualify it with any other comments but rather you put that name
right next to the list, so why wasn't I supposed to think that you
were stupid enough to think bin Laden was a dictator too? Huh?
Well?

By the way, A.Samoza was not a dictator, you idiot, not by any
stretch. Nicaragua, under A.Samoza, had a government modeled after
our own, plus there was complete freedom of the press and all the
other freedoms we enjoy. Get back to us when you get a clue as to
where a clue is.

[Dutch]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

news:108472c1-b40f-4e8a...@n19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 10, 3:42 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 10, 2:06 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>> >> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote
>>
>> >> > we propped up bautista.. not Castro ..einstein
>>
>> >><snip>
>>
>> >> Lets not forget Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden
>>
>> >> einstein
>>
>> > lol What country was Osama bin Laden the dictator of?
>>
>> I didn't say he was the dictator of a country, I said lets not forget
>> him.
>> Your government funded him when they thought is was in their interests.
>>
>> > This is classic, Dutch and Dawgster, the blind leading the blind.
>>
>> Snip a long list of brutal dictators your government supported like it
>> never
>> happened, and crucify a guy for admiring one man who stood up to that
>> government.
>>
>> Classic popinjay
>
>
> I'm not arguing about any particular "dictator" or whether our
> government aided him. Fuck you, I have been quite vocal about what
> our government has wrongly supported in the past.

Then why did you snip the list?

> Where the fuck have
> you been, fuck face? I don't know any other RGPer who has been MORE
> vocal about this subject, you snot nose little punk.

Then why did you snip the list?

>
> But YOU listed a long list of supposed dictators, and then wrote Osama
> bin Laden's name at the end. So what is one supposed to think?

One is supposed to assume, if one has any brains, that I am aware that Bin
Laden wasn't a dictator of a country, that I mentioned him as an example of
mass murderers that the US government has supported.

And the only reason I mention it is not because I hate the US, it was to get
Ozzie Guillen bashers off their high horses.

You
> didn't qualify it with any other comments but rather you put that name
> right next to the list, so why wasn't I supposed to think that you
> were stupid enough to think bin Laden was a dictator too? Huh?
> Well?

If you think I'm that stupid then you're more stupid for replying to me.

>
> By the way, A.Samoza was not a dictator, you idiot, not by any
> stretch. Nicaragua, under A.Samoza, had a government modeled after
> our own, plus there was complete freedom of the press and all the
> other freedoms we enjoy.

How many were slaughtered to get that government into power?

Get back to us when you get a clue as to
> where a clue is.

I see, out of that long list of bloodthirsty villains supported by your
government, one wasn't so bad, good to know.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 10, 4:30 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "popinjay999" <paulpopin...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message

>

>
> > But YOU listed a long list of supposed dictators, and then wrote Osama
> > bin Laden's name at the end.  So what is one supposed to think?
>
> One is supposed to assume, if one has any brains, that I am aware that Bin
> Laden wasn't a dictator of a country, that I mentioned him as an example of
> mass murderers that the US government has supported.
>

Why should I assume that you weren't that stupid? You said nothing to
qualify your putting bin Laden's name at the end of the list of
dictators. You said nothing of "mass murderers". Nothing. Do I need
to take a screen capture of what you posted? Do I need to get my
video camera?

[FangBanger]

OF COURSE THEY ARE .. everything has consequences

I know the 2 billion is an inflated number, but no one has come up
with a figure that is accurate.

Alim acknowleding that he is full of shit

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[Hollis2]

The US never supported OBL. The US supported the Mujaheddin against the
Soviets. Bin Laden was only one of many Mujaheddin commanders at the time.

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[Hollis2]

The Cubans have done very well for themselves in the US.

_____________________________________________________________________ 

[FangBanger]

and the women are even HOTTER

[fffurken]

On Apr 11, 1:42 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> The US never supported OBL.  The US supported the Mujaheddin against the
> Soviets.  Bin Laden was only one of many Mujaheddin commanders at the time.

How'd that work out, nit?

[brewmaster]

On Apr 10 2012 5:47 PM, Hollis2 wrote:

> On Apr 10 2012 6:19 PM, Von Fourche wrote:
>
> > "popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
> > news:8abdf595-75f9-4804...@k4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com...
> > > Hey Ozzie! Take a one-way trip to Cuba you fucking asshole!
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------
> > >
> > > MIAMI (AP) Miami Marlins manager Ozzie Guillen has been suspended for
> > > five games because of his comments about Fidel Castro.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > The Cubans in Miami are some of the most arrogant and nutty people in
the
> > U.S.
>
> The Cubans have done very well for themselves in the US.

Say hello to my little friend.

>
> _____________________________________________________________________ 


--
Brew "part of the 100%" Master

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[Hollis2]

Just fine. The Soviet Union were driven out of Afghanistan and soon fell
apart. Islamic terrorists are a pain in the ass, but they don't represent
an existential threat to the US like the Soviets did.

____________________________________________________________________ 

[brewmaster]

On Apr 10 2012 8:04 PM, Hollis2 wrote:

> On Apr 10 2012 9:07 PM, fffurken wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 1:42 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > The US never supported OBL.  The US supported the Mujaheddin against the
> > > Soviets.  Bin Laden was only one of many Mujaheddin commanders at the
time.
> >
> > How'd that work out, nit?
>
> Just fine. The Soviet Union were driven out of Afghanistan and soon fell
> apart. Islamic terrorists are a pain in the ass, but they don't represent
> an existential threat to the US like the Soviets did.

They're trying though. Iran very much wants to have that threat over the
US

>
> ____________________________________________________________________ 


--
Brew "part of the 100%" Master

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[arseniccollection]

On 4/10/2012 20:13, brewmaster wrote:

>> Just fine. The Soviet Union were driven out of Afghanistan and soon fell
>> apart. Islamic terrorists are a pain in the ass, but they don't represent
>> an existential threat to the US like the Soviets did.
>
> They're trying though. Iran very much wants to have that threat over the
> US

Iran? It wants to be the regional hegemon, but it will never be an
existential threat to the US.

[Pepe Papon]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT), popinjay999

<paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

>Hey Ozzie! Take a one-way trip to Cuba you fucking asshole!

I'm guessing that you don't follow baseball and weren't familiar with
Ozzie Guillen prior to this. But just FYI, this is just another in a
long string of assholic things the guy has said and done. It's
amazing that he still has a job in Major League Baseball.

[arseniccollection]

On 4/10/2012 23:11, Pepe Papon wrote:
>

> I'm guessing that you don't follow baseball and weren't familiar with
> Ozzie Guillen prior to this. But just FYI, this is just another in a
> long string of assholic things the guy has said and done. It's
> amazing that he still has a job in Major League Baseball.

Still, it is retarded to praise Castro in fucking Miami!

Guillen will be gone by the end of the month.

[Dutch]

"FangBanger" <a29...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

news:810f59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...

> On Apr 10 2012 3:59 PM, Dutch wrote:
>
>> "FangBanger" <a29...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>> news:obie59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>> > On Apr 10 2012 12:33 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Apr 10, 10:27 am, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com>
>> >> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.
>> >> >
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment someday. Congress did not
>> >> suspend Ozzie Guillen. You fucking moron.
>> >
>> > thats what people dont understand .. the "people" are more than
>> > justified
>> > in their retribution , but if one word comes from the government , then
>> > I
>> > would side with Ozzie
>>
>> His employers are not "the people" and nobody is entitled to
>> "retribution"
>> against a person for speaking his mind.
>
> OF COURSE THEY ARE .. everything has consequences

Oh well, so much for freedom of speech.

[Dutch]

"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote

What did he say here that was so outrageous? The only quote I heard was that
he admired Castro. What's so bad about that? People admire GW Bush and he
massacred a lot more people than Castro.

[fffurken]

On Apr 11, 4:04 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> > > The US never supported OBL.  The US supported the Mujaheddin against the
> > > Soviets.  Bin Laden was only one of many Mujaheddin commanders at the time.
>
> > How'd that work out, nit?
>
> Just fine.  The Soviet Union were driven out of Afghanistan and soon fell
> apart.  Islamic terrorists are a pain in the ass, but they don't represent
> an existential threat to the US like the Soviets did.

You don't know what the outcome would have been if America hadn't
supported Bin Laden (and co).

The outcome we do know is that it gave rise to the Taleban and America
is still fighting a decade long war in Afghanistan following on from
the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Personally, I don't think it worked out
"just fine".

[chandler]

On Apr 10 2012 11:04 PM, Hollis2 wrote:

> On Apr 10 2012 9:07 PM, fffurken wrote:
>
> > On Apr 11, 1:42 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:
> >
> > > The US never supported OBL.  The US supported the Mujaheddin against the
> > > Soviets.  Bin Laden was only one of many Mujaheddin commanders at the
time.
> >
> > How'd that work out, nit?
>
> Just fine.

Classic. LOL

Chandler

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[popinjay999]

On Apr 11, 2:13 am, fffurken <fffur...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> You don't know what the outcome would have been if America hadn't
> supported Bin Laden (and co).
>
> The outcome we do know is that it gave rise to the Taleban and America
> is still fighting a decade long war in Afghanistan following on from
> the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Personally, I don't think it worked out
> "just fine".

Pardon my butting into the middle of this conversation, but is anyone
here really interested in what Fffffurken has to say about Afghanistan?

[fffurken]

You really, REALLY, are a fool.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 10, 11:31 pm, arseniccollection <g...@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
> Still, it is retarded to praise Castro in fucking Miami!
>

What's "retarded" is how many times you have used the word "retarded"
in the past week. Fucking retard.

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 10, 4:04 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote
>
> > Ozzie's respect for Castro for staying in power so long is exactly
> > like respecting any tyrant for being a tyrant. The people killed to
> > earn that respect should haunt Ozzie forever.
>
> As opposed to all the tyrants and murderers that Uncle Sam has put in power
> and armed to the teeth over the past century because they believed it was in
> their interests to do so. The list is endless. Let's try not to get too
> self-righteous here.

This isn't "compare and contrast," it is a straighforward evaluation
of Castro. Do try to keep your leftist panties from getting all
twisted up. I would have said similar things about the people you are
talking about, or most of them. Battista was, by comparison, rather
milder than most but still corrupt and violent.

--
Will in New Haven

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 10, 4:59 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

>
> news:obie59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10 2012 12:33 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
> >> On Apr 10, 10:27 am, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> > Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.
>
> >> Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment someday.  Congress did not
> >> suspend Ozzie Guillen.  You fucking moron.
>
> > thats what people dont understand .. the "people" are more than justified
> > in their retribution , but if one word comes from the government , then I
> > would side with Ozzie
>
> His employers are not "the people" and nobody is entitled to "retribution"
> against a person for speaking his mind

His employers are people. No one, in fact, IS "the people." "The
people" is a fiction, invented by collectivists who hope their
creation will rise up in its righteous wrath.

What people say impacts the attitudes of others toward those people.
You can call it retribution or whatever you want. Actions have
consequences.

[Will in New Haven]

He and his "Afghan Arabs" were pretty fucking useless too, as were
those who later became the Taliban, although the Taliban as an
organization never fought the Soviets and most of the important
members were too young to have fought in that struggle, except maybe
at the very end.

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 11, 4:48 am, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

>
> news:810f59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Apr 10 2012 3:59 PM, Dutch wrote:
>

> >> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

> >>news:obie59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
> >> > On Apr 10 2012 12:33 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>
> >> >> On Apr 10, 10:27 am, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com>
> >> >> wrote:
>
> >> >> > Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.
>
> >> >> Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment someday.  Congress did not
> >> >> suspend Ozzie Guillen.  You fucking moron.
>
> >> > thats what people dont understand .. the "people" are more than
> >> > justified
> >> > in their retribution , but if one word comes from the government , then
> >> > I
> >> > would side with Ozzie
>
> >> His employers are not "the people" and nobody is entitled to
> >> "retribution"
> >> against a person for speaking his mind.
>
> > OF COURSE THEY ARE .. everything has consequences
>

> Oh well, so much for freedom of speech.-

Freedom of speech doesn't mean no one will react. It means that the
government will take no action against you for what you say and that
you will retain all the rights and protections you have in law. So no
one can, with impunity, attack you for it.

It doesn't mean other people can't react negatively in a non-violent
legal way.

This is really simple and you even _know_ it deep down. If he had said
something similarly stupid that you didn't agree with, you would be
criticizing him. If there were anything stupid you didn't agree with.

[ChrisRobin]

On Apr 10 2012 11:13 PM, brewmaster wrote:

> On Apr 10 2012 8:04 PM, Hollis2 wrote:

> > Just fine. The Soviet Union were driven out of Afghanistan and soon fell
> > apart. Islamic terrorists are a pain in the ass, but they don't represent
> > an existential threat to the US like the Soviets did.
>
> They're trying though. Iran very much wants to have that threat over the
> US

They want to threaten our existence? Based on what?

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[ChrisRobin]

Horseshit.

"Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, writing in the U.K.
Guardian, had some interesting observations. Noting that 'throughout the
80s [bin Laden] was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage
jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,' Cook called bin
Laden 'a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security
agencies.'"

http://thenewamerican.com/history/world/7377-bin-laden-a-al-qaeda-us-govt-creations

-------- 

[mo_ntresor]

On Apr 11 2012 12:46 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:

> > The US never supported OBL. The US supported the Mujaheddin against the
> > Soviets. Bin Laden was only one of many Mujaheddin commanders at the time.
>
> Horseshit.
>
> "Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, writing in the U.K.
> Guardian, had some interesting observations. Noting that 'throughout the
> 80s [bin Laden] was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage
> jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,' Cook called bin
> Laden 'a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security
> agencies.'"
>
>
http://thenewamerican.com/history/world/7377-bin-laden-a-al-qaeda-us-govt-creations

hari seldon taught us that the mathematics of psychohistory only work on
large groups of human beings NOT on individuals.

mo_ntresor

____________________________________________________________________ 

[Dutch]

"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message
news:823993c1-0c33-41df...@f6g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...

Pardon me for attempting to reason with a lynch mob.

[Dutch]

"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message

news:b87e1029-e77d-4640...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

> On Apr 10, 4:59 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>> "FangBanger" <a29b...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
>>
>> news:obie59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> > On Apr 10 2012 12:33 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>>
>> >> On Apr 10, 10:27 am, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com>
>> >> wrote:
>>
>> >> > Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.
>>
>> >> Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment someday. Congress did not
>> >> suspend Ozzie Guillen. You fucking moron.
>>
>> > thats what people dont understand .. the "people" are more than
>> > justified
>> > in their retribution , but if one word comes from the government , then
>> > I
>> > would side with Ozzie
>>
>> His employers are not "the people" and nobody is entitled to
>> "retribution"
>> against a person for speaking his mind
>
> His employers are people. No one, in fact, IS "the people." "The
> people" is a fiction, invented by collectivists who hope their
> creation will rise up in its righteous wrath.

I think it would be reasonable to refer to the fans of the team as "the
people" in this context. Fans have an automatic right to be irrational and
demand things of their team.

> What people say impacts the attitudes of others toward those people.
> You can call it retribution or whatever you want. Actions have
> consequences.

No doubt, the first law of physics applies, but is it fair or reasonable?

Basically I think that the U.S. needs to get over the bloody nose Castro
gave them half a century ago.

[Dutch]

"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message

news:04e4a2f0-fe8c-4da8...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

He was suspended by his team, that is an attack. Do they have impunity from
sanction for that act?

[phlash74]

The U.S. has gotten over it. Cuban Americans living in the Miami area
haven't, and you certainly don't have the right to tell them to.

This story reminds me of a case in Westminster, CA (the heart of Little
Saigon) about 10 years ago where a video store owner posted a picture of
Ho Chi Minh and the modern day (read: Communist) Vietnamese flag in the
window of his shop. His store was surrounded by angry protesters for days,
and it didn't end until some cops who were trying to protect him found
that he was illegally copying videos in the back of his shop and he was
arrested for that, with the store being closed down.

Michael

-----------------
"> phlash
On your circle jerk k00l kidz email list. Should be disqualified for
that, but I'll give him a pass because he is smart." - ramashiva,
8/22/2010

"Hitler has already been forgiven, but you have not." - Reptillian AKA
Igotskillz, 4/6/2011

----- 

[popinjay999]

On Apr 11, 2:41 pm, "phlash74" <a102...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> This story reminds me of a case in Westminster, CA (the heart of Little
> Saigon) about 10 years ago where a video store owner posted a picture of
> Ho Chi Minh and the modern day (read: Communist) Vietnamese flag in the
> window of his shop. His store was surrounded by angry protesters for days,
> and it didn't end until some cops who were trying to protect him found
> that he was illegally copying videos in the back of his shop and he was
> arrested for that, with the store being closed down.
>

I remember it well. I was rooting for them to kick his ass.

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 11, 5:02 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in messagenews:823993c1-0c33-41df...@f6g2000vbc.googlegroups.com...

Fuck you. No one is lynching anyone. People are being unpleasant while
disagreeing with him. You are an incredible horse's ass.

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 11, 5:10 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in messagenews:b87e1029-e77d-4640...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

I wasn't speaking for the U.S. I was evaluating a regime that has
treated gays the way Kuhlman couldn't even approve, that won't let
people fucking LEAVE (and I don't mean won't let them leave and come
back, I mean leave) and has murdered people whose relatives I know and
care about.

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 11, 5:31 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in messagenews:04e4a2f0-fe8c-4da8...@k6g2000vbz.googlegroups.com...

You can be angry at them for it. If you were _their_ employer, you
could fire them. If you were there employee, you could quit.

I don't like them for it; I think it was an overreaction. But
employment is by mutual consent or by contract. Evidently they didn't
want to consent and his contract left him vulnerable.

[Dutch]

"phlash74" <a10...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message
news:7dah59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...

Can US citizens travel freely to and from Cuba?

[Dutch]

"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message

news:0a43bb2e-9eb5-42ca...@dc2g2000vbb.googlegroups.com...

Pretty disgusting that in a country that fancies itself as a beacon of
freedom a man can be demonized and penalized for expressing such an opinion.
I can almost understand Bill Maher's dismissal for making remarks shortly
after 9/11 that smacked of showing admiration for the hijackers, but Castro
and Cuba fought for their freedom from exploitation by big sugar and other
American and probably other foreign interests, a HALF CENTURY ago. Freedom
of speech, or at least tolerance, is on shaky ground in America.

[Dutch]

"Will in New Haven" <bill....@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in message

news:5650f9a8-0f70-4c2f...@w5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

[Hollis2]

The Mujaheddin, including the Afghan Arabs that OBL was a member of,
existed before the US gave them help. The US didn't create the
Mujaheddin, the US only gave them help because it was in their interest to
do so. It was the right thing to do and it was a success.

The mistake the US made was not staying involved in Afghanistan after the
Soviets left. Perhaps, if the US supported a more moderate faction of the
Mujaheddin, the Taliban wouldn't have gained control. But that was an
iffy proposition at best and was far afield of the US's main goal at the
time, defeating the Soviets.

---- 

[Hollis2]

> --------�

Complete rubbish. The US funded the Mujaheddin. OBL was a field
commander of one of the factions of the Mujaheddin. To say that the US
was funding OBL is a complete misrepresentation of the facts. Typical of
the Guardian.

________________________________________________________________________�

[fffurken]

On Apr 12, 3:16 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> > You don't know what the outcome would have been if America hadn't
> > supported Bin Laden (and co).
>
> > The outcome we do know is that it gave rise to the Taleban and America
> > is still fighting a decade long war in Afghanistan following on from
> > the terrorist attacks of 9/11. Personally, I don't think it worked out
> > "just fine".
>
> The Mujaheddin, including the Afghan Arabs that OBL was a member of,
> existed before the US gave them help.  The US didn't create the
> Mujaheddin, the US only gave them help because it was in their interest to
> do so.   It was the right thing to do and it was a success.

Binary thinking.

> The mistake the US made was not staying involved in Afghanistan after the
> Soviets left.  Perhaps, if the US supported a more moderate faction of the
> Mujaheddin, the Taliban wouldn't have gained control.  But that was an
> iffy proposition at best and was far afield of the US's main goal at the
> time, defeating the Soviets.

Waffle.

It's no wonder I can never tell you and Truthseeker (chortle) apart.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 11, 7:24 pm, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

> On Apr 11 2012 2:46 PM, ChrisRobin wrote:
>

>
> > Horseshit.
>
> > "Former British Foreign Secretary Robin Cook, writing in the U.K.
> > Guardian, had some interesting observations. Noting that 'throughout the
> > 80s [bin Laden] was armed by the CIA and funded by the Saudis to wage
> > jihad against the Russian occupation of Afghanistan,' Cook called bin
> > Laden 'a product of a monumental miscalculation by western security
> > agencies.'"
>

> http://thenewamerican.com/history/world/7377-bin-laden-a-al-qaeda-us-...

>
>
>
> > --------
>
> Complete rubbish.  The US funded the Mujaheddin.  OBL was a field
> commander of one of the factions of the Mujaheddin.  To say that the US
> was funding OBL is a complete misrepresentation of the facts.  Typical of
> the Guardian.
>
>

Except that's not the Guardian, you dope. Open your eyes and you'll
see that our own government has a long history of helping our enemies,
even creating them in some instances. In fact, helping our enemies
and shitting on our friends has been the rule of our State Dept., not
the exception, for the last 80 years.

[Pepe Papon]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 01:48:16 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>"FangBanger" <a29...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

>news:810f59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>> On Apr 10 2012 3:59 PM, Dutch wrote:
>>

>>> "FangBanger" <a29...@webnntp.invalid> wrote in message

>>> news:obie59x...@app-01.ezprovider.com...
>>> > On Apr 10 2012 12:33 PM, popinjay999 wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Apr 10, 10:27 am, FREE SPEECH <no...@nowhereinparticular.com>
>>> >> wrote:
>>> >>
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Move there yourself if you don't like the First Amendment.
>>> >> >
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>> >> Perhaps you should read the 1st Amendment someday. Congress did not
>>> >> suspend Ozzie Guillen. You fucking moron.
>>> >
>>> > thats what people dont understand .. the "people" are more than
>>> > justified
>>> > in their retribution , but if one word comes from the government , then
>>> > I
>>> > would side with Ozzie
>>>
>>> His employers are not "the people" and nobody is entitled to
>>> "retribution"

>>> against a person for speaking his mind.
>>
>> OF COURSE THEY ARE .. everything has consequences
>
>Oh well, so much for freedom of speech.

WTF? Paul just explained how the First Amendment doesn't apply. How
do you still not get it?

[Pepe Papon]

Would you care to elaborate or provide a link? I'm not familiar with
the mathematics of psychohistory, and I'd like to learn about it.

[Pepe Papon]

On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 23:31:34 -0700, arseniccollection <g...@yahoo.com>
wrote:

>On 4/10/2012 23:11, Pepe Papon wrote:
>>
>
>> I'm guessing that you don't follow baseball and weren't familiar with
>> Ozzie Guillen prior to this. But just FYI, this is just another in a
>> long string of assholic things the guy has said and done. It's
>> amazing that he still has a job in Major League Baseball.

>
>
>Still, it is retarded to praise Castro in fucking Miami!

Yes, it is. I was just pointing out that Guillen has a long history
of saying stupid and obnoxious things.

>Guillen will be gone by the end of the month.

With any luck.

[Pepe Papon]

On Wed, 11 Apr 2012 02:02:36 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote
>> On Tue, 10 Apr 2012 10:08:23 -0700 (PDT), popinjay999
>> <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>>
>>>Hey Ozzie! Take a one-way trip to Cuba you fucking asshole!

>>
>> I'm guessing that you don't follow baseball and weren't familiar with
>> Ozzie Guillen prior to this. But just FYI, this is just another in a
>> long string of assholic things the guy has said and done. It's
>> amazing that he still has a job in Major League Baseball.
>

>What did he say here that was so outrageous? The only quote I heard was that
>he admired Castro. What's so bad about that? People admire GW Bush and he
>massacred a lot more people than Castro.
>

If I have to explain it to you, then I'm sure I can't.

[mo_ntresor]

On Apr 12 2012 2:10 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:

>
>http://thenewamerican.com/history/world/7377-bin-laden-a-al-qaeda-us-govt-creations
> >
> >hari seldon taught us that the mathematics of psychohistory only work on
> >large groups of human beings NOT on individuals.
>
> Would you care to elaborate or provide a link? I'm not familiar with
> the mathematics of psychohistory, and I'd like to learn about it.

philistine.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_Seldon

mo_ntresor

________________________________________________________________________ 

[ChrisRobin]

On Apr 11 2012 10:24 PM, Hollis2 wrote:

> Complete rubbish. The US funded the Mujaheddin. OBL was a field
> commander of one of the factions of the Mujaheddin. To say that the US
> was funding OBL is a complete misrepresentation of the facts. Typical of
> the Guardian.

Listen to yourself. Cognitive dissonance much? LOL!

------- 

[ChrisRobin]

On Apr 11 2012 11:36 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

> Except that's not the Guardian, you dope. Open your eyes and you'll
> see that our own government has a long history of helping our enemies,
> even creating them in some instances. In fact, helping our enemies
> and shitting on our friends has been the rule of our State Dept., not
> the exception, for the last 80 years.

Ding ding ding!

------ 

[ChrisRobin]

On Apr 11 2012 10:16 PM, Hollis2 wrote:

> The Mujaheddin, including the Afghan Arabs that OBL was a member of,
> existed before the US gave them help. The US didn't create the
> Mujaheddin, the US only gave them help because it was in their interest to
> do so. It was the right thing to do and it was a success.
>
> The mistake the US made was not staying involved in Afghanistan after the
> Soviets left. Perhaps, if the US supported a more moderate faction of the
> Mujaheddin, the Taliban wouldn't have gained control. But that was an
> iffy proposition at best and was far afield of the US's main goal at the
> time, defeating the Soviets.

Nothing personal Hollis, but these guys were playing geopolitical chess
and your "analysis" is barely fit for a game of checkers.

--- 

[Will in New Haven]

On Apr 11, 8:46 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
> "Will in New Haven" <bill.re...@taylorandfrancis.com> wrote in messagenews:5650f9a8-0f70-4c2f...@w5g2000vbp.googlegroups.com...

Remember what he said next. "Not you, Mom."

[Hollis2]

On Apr 11 2012 11:36 PM, popinjay999 wrote:

Any country will help their enemies if it's in their interest to do so.
Did you really need to say that? Perhaps it's because you think that the
Mujahideen were US enemies. But that wasn't the case. I recommend that
you spend a little time refreshing you recollection about this period in
history.

------- 

[Dutch]

"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
news:ci2do7te4fd4spib6...@4ax.com...

I wasn't talking about the first fucking amendment, I was talking about
people being tolerant of others who may have divergent opinions, not rising
up en masse when they don't like what someone says to the point where his
employer feels he has to suspend the person to satisfy the mob. He may be
tainted for life for those comments. What good does the first amendment do
him then? Did you see him in his press conference groveling to try to win
back the approval of the "fans". It was horrible to watch.

[Dutch]

"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:kr3do7luvsamb8mvl...@4ax.com...

Nice tolerant people down there..

[popinjay999]

>
> Any country will help their enemies if it's in their interest to do so.
> Did you really need to say that?  Perhaps it's because you think that the
> Mujahideen were US enemies.  But that wasn't the case.  I recommend that
> you spend a little time refreshing you recollection about this period in
> history.
>

I recommend that you hop off your high horse and learn about the
treason committed at the highest levels of our own government over the
last 80 years. I'm not talking about "helping our enemies when it's
in our interest to do so", numbnuts, I'm talking about helping our
enemies so that they may eventually occupy us. You could start with
our State Dept. helping Trotsky to get out of Canadian jail so he
could join Lenin and the rest of their Bolshevik buddies. Or
preventing the Soviets from collapse by granting them diplomatic
recognition. Or building them into a formidable enemy with Lend
Lease. Or forcing Chiang into "coalition" with Mao so that the
communists could take over China. And on and on, this is only the tip
of the iceberg. You don't have to explain to me what was going on in
Afghanistan when the Soviets were dropping booby-trapped butterfly
toys so the Afghan children would pick them up and blow their hands
off and be a constant reminder of what Soviet "disarmament" was really
all about. But we've been getting sold out by our own leaders since
before I was born. The most dangerous enemy is not in Moscow or
Peking, it's in Washington D.C.

[Pepe Papon]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:31:55 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>>>
>>>Oh well, so much for freedom of speech.
>>
>> WTF? Paul just explained how the First Amendment doesn't apply. How
>> do you still not get it?
>
>I wasn't talking about the first fucking amendment, I was talking about
>people being tolerant of others who may have divergent opinions, not rising
>up en masse when they don't like what someone says to the point where his
>employer feels he has to suspend the person to satisfy the mob. He may be
>tainted for life for those comments. What good does the first amendment do
>him then? Did you see him in his press conference groveling to try to win
>back the approval of the "fans". It was horrible to watch.

People have no obligation to tolerate offensive speech as long as they
don't do anything illegal. Nor should they have any such obligation,
particularly when we're talking about a business's actions toward a
high-profile employee. The comments of that employee brought harm to
his employer. Nobody in their right mind would expect the employer
to tolerate that.

[Pepe Papon]

On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 05:33:30 -0700, "mo_ntresor"
<amontillad...@gmail.com> wrote:

>On Apr 12 2012 2:10 AM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>>
>>http://thenewamerican.com/history/world/7377-bin-laden-a-al-qaeda-us-govt-creations
>> >
>> >hari seldon taught us that the mathematics of psychohistory only work on
>> >large groups of human beings NOT on individuals.
>>
>> Would you care to elaborate or provide a link? I'm not familiar with
>> the mathematics of psychohistory, and I'd like to learn about it.
>
>philistine.
>
>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hari_Seldon

Thank you.

[Dutch]

"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:e5kfo7l09tsehpu3a...@4ax.com...

> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:31:55 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>
>>>>
>>>>Oh well, so much for freedom of speech.
>>>
>>> WTF? Paul just explained how the First Amendment doesn't apply. How
>>> do you still not get it?
>>
>>I wasn't talking about the first fucking amendment, I was talking about
>>people being tolerant of others who may have divergent opinions, not
>>rising
>>up en masse when they don't like what someone says to the point where his
>>employer feels he has to suspend the person to satisfy the mob. He may be
>>tainted for life for those comments. What good does the first amendment do
>>him then? Did you see him in his press conference groveling to try to win
>>back the approval of the "fans". It was horrible to watch.
>
> People have no obligation to tolerate offensive speech as long as they
> don't do anything illegal.

His words were not offensive, the reaction was.

> Nor should they have any such obligation,
> particularly when we're talking about a business's actions toward a
> high-profile employee. The comments of that employee brought harm to
> his employer. Nobody in their right mind would expect the employer
> to tolerate that.

The reaction brought harm to the employer, not his words. Ozzie was dumb,
the fans are a bunch of assholes.

[Hollis2]

I agree that over the years there have been out and out traitors who
despise capitalism and did what they could to advance communism and
socialism in this country. They're are still a few diehards around. One
wonders what keeps them going.

The arming of the Soviet Union during WW2 was difficult call. I think
that most people in the US knew that they would be our enemy after the
war, but allowing them to fall to the Germans would have made things much
more difficult for the US. Sometimes you have to choose between two bad
courses of action.

Then there is helping an enemy when it is actually in the US interest to
do so. When it became apparent that Iran might actually win the war with
Iraq, it was time to help Saddam. Of course, if it was Iraq that was
winning, the US would have helped Iran. The strategy worked. The US
wanted a draw and that's what they got.

_____________________________________________________________________ 

[popinjay999]

On Apr 13, 11:55 am, "Hollis2" <a3a8...@webnntp.invalid> wrote:

>
> I agree that over the years there have been out and out traitors who
> despise capitalism and did what they could to advance communism and
> socialism in this country.  They're are still a few diehards around.  One
> wonders what keeps them going.
>
> The arming of the Soviet Union during WW2 was difficult call.  I think
> that most people in the US knew that they would be our enemy after the
> war, but allowing them to fall to the Germans would have made things much
> more difficult for the US.  Sometimes you have to choose between two bad
> courses of action.
>

To clarify, I was not talking about letting them fall to the Germans,
I meant letting communism collapse in 1922 when we instead granted
them diplomatic recognition which opened the door to "legitimacy" and
credit and survival.

> Then there is helping an enemy when it is actually in the US interest to
> do so.  When it became apparent that Iran might actually win the war with
> Iraq, it was time to help Saddam.  Of course, if it was Iraq that was
> winning, the US would have helped Iran.  The strategy worked.  The US
> wanted a draw and that's what they got.
>

You don't understand, apparently, that it was traitors in our
government who intentionally delivered Iran into enemy hands in the
first place. The Shah was a good guy and one of the best friends we
ever had. We fucked him. Had we not fucked him, the whole middle
east picture would be entirely different today. The traitors who are
STILL in control of our government know exactly what they are doing.

[Pepe Papon]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 00:29:35 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
>
>"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message
>news:e5kfo7l09tsehpu3a...@4ax.com...
>> On Thu, 12 Apr 2012 13:31:55 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>>
>>>>>Oh well, so much for freedom of speech.
>>>>
>>>> WTF? Paul just explained how the First Amendment doesn't apply. How
>>>> do you still not get it?
>>>
>>>I wasn't talking about the first fucking amendment, I was talking about
>>>people being tolerant of others who may have divergent opinions, not
>>>rising
>>>up en masse when they don't like what someone says to the point where his
>>>employer feels he has to suspend the person to satisfy the mob. He may be
>>>tainted for life for those comments. What good does the first amendment do
>>>him then? Did you see him in his press conference groveling to try to win
>>>back the approval of the "fans". It was horrible to watch.
>>
>> People have no obligation to tolerate offensive speech as long as they
>> don't do anything illegal.
>
>His words were not offensive, the reaction was.

That's nothing more than an opinion, and one which is rather hard to
support.

>> Nor should they have any such obligation,
>> particularly when we're talking about a business's actions toward a
>> high-profile employee. The comments of that employee brought harm to
>> his employer. Nobody in their right mind would expect the employer
>> to tolerate that.
>
>The reaction brought harm to the employer, not his words. Ozzie was dumb,
>the fans are a bunch of assholes.

Another unsupportable opinion. And even if it's true, so what? Maybe
we can pass a law to change human nature.

[Dutch]

"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

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My suggestion would be that the team make this a token gesture to assuage
these fans, and not dock him any pay, because he did nothing wrong.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 13, 5:53 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> My suggestion would be that the team make this a token gesture to assuage
> these fans, and not dock him any pay, because he did nothing wrong.

Hey Dutch, what would you propose happen to a baseball manager who
stated in an interview that he admired Hitler? Would that be ok with
you? Free speech? No suspension, no docking pay, etc?

[Dutch]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

Which foreign countries has Cuba invaded and raped under Castro? Which
ethnic group has Castro attempted to exterminate? I'm wondering what basis
you are using for the comparison. Or are just being good old popinjay?

[popinjay999]

On Apr 13, 9:07 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>
> Which foreign countries has Cuba invaded and raped under Castro? Which
> ethnic group has Castro attempted to exterminate? I'm wondering what basis
> you are using for the comparison. Or are just being good old popinjay?

Oh I see. In Dutch's world, Hitler = bad dictator, and Castro = not-
so-bad dictator.

To answer your first question, Cuba openly sent invasion troops into
Angola, Costa Rica, Honduras, and Nicaragua, resulting in thousands of
deaths.

And further, according to Genocide Watch dot org, Castro is at the top
of their list, having been responsible for the deaths of 35,000 to
141,000 people. (1959-1987).

Other estimates of deaths in the first years of Castro's rule
included:

30,000 executed by firing squad
2,000 extra-judicial assassinations
5,000 deaths in prison due to beating by guards and denial of medical
care
60,000 deaths while trying to escape Cuba by sea

Below is a short list of all the prisons and jails on this small
island of only 11 million people.

Prison or Correctional Center
Pinar del Rio Province | Ministry Delegation, 0053-82-4531 y 4532 |
State Security, 0053-82-3697

Prison Sandino MSP Sandino
Prison Taco Taco MSP San Cristóbal
Provincial Prison Kilo 5 ½ MSP, Km. 5 y medio de la Carretera
Central. Tel: 011-53-82-4520, 4521, 4522, 4523
Prison Kilo 8 MSP Pinar del Río
Prison for Women “La Ceiba” MIS Pinar del Río
Prison for Minors MIS Pinar del Río
Prison Santa Ana MIS San Cristóbal
Correctional Alonso Rojas COR Consolación del Sur
Alonso Rojas “Camp No. 3” COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional Baró COR Consolación del Sur
Labor Camp María Ceja COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional El Canal COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional Cayo Largo COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional La Jigua COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional Jijina COR Consolación el Sur
Correctional Mango Jobo COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional Puerta de Golpe COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional El Sinfín COR Consolación del Sur
Correctional Bahía Honda COR Bahía Honda
Correctional El Baraguá COR Bahía Honda
Correctional San Miguel COR Bahía Honda
Correctional El Blay COR Los Palacios
Camp Los Palacios COR Los Palacios
Correctional La 50 COR Los Palacios
Correctional Briones Montoto COR Pinar del Río
Correctional Los Cayos COR Pinar del Río
Correctional Cuajaní COR Pinar del Río
Correctional Entronque de Ovas COR Pinar del Río
Correctional El Guayabo COR Pinar del Río
Correctional Hidroponico COR Pinar del Rio
Correctional El Jardín COR Pinar del Río
Correctional El Jorobado COR Pinar del Río
Correctional Kilómetro 2 ½ COR
Carretera S. J. y Minez Pinar del Río
Correctional Kilómetro 5 COR, Carretera a Viñales, Pinar del Rio
Correctional Maguellez COR Pinar del Río
Correctional Mariel COR Pinar del Río
Correctional La Paloma COR Pinar del Río
Correctional La Pollera COR Pinar del Río
Correctional Santa María COR Pinar del Río
Camp Jigua “El Cabo” COR Sandino
Correctional La Fé COR Sandino
Labor Camp La Cruz COR Guane
Correctional Guane COR Guane
Correctional Cinco Pesos COR Minas
Correctional La Pimienta COR Minas de Matahambre
Correctional Pons ( Minas) COR Minas de Matahambre
Correctional Palenque COR San Cristóbal
Correctional El Paraíso COR Viñales
Correctional El Rosario COR Viñales
Correctional La Victoria COR Viñales
Correctional Pino Solo COR San Luis
Correctional Rancho Ferro COR San Luis
Correctional 20 de Mayo COR Mantua
Prison for Women Cuatro y 1/2 In Carretera de Viñales

Havana | Interior Ministry | 0053-7-587168

Prison Quivicán MSP 1300 Quivicán Tel: 0053-6-52885, 0053-6-55095,
0053-6-55455.
DTI or Cien and Aldabó MSP Calle 100 y Ave. Aldabó Boyeros
Municipality
Provincial prison for Women or Manto Negro MSP Havana
Prison Villa Marista MSP Municipality 10 of October La Víbora
0053-7-584251, 0053-7-403535
Prison Melena 2 MSP Melena del Sur
Prison Guanajay MSP Guanajay
Prison of Güines ( Voisin) MSP Güines
Prisión of San José ( Ganuza) MSP S. J. de Las Lajas
Prison The Cafetal MIS Quivicán
Prison Calderón MIS Alquizar
Prison The Condesa MIS Güines
Prison The Jobo MIS Artemisa
Prison El Paraíso (Women) MIS Havana
Correctional Aserradero COR Melena del Sur
Correctional Autoconsumo PNR COR Quivicán
Correctional Camp 19 of April COR Quivicán
Correctional Canasi COR Quivicán
Correctional La Cochiquera COR Quivicán
Correctional Forestal Cajio COR Quivicán
Correctional Inocencio COR Quivicán
Correctional La Juliana COR Quivicán
Correctional El Roble COR Quivicán
Correctional San José COR 35 Quivicán
Correctional La Uva COR Quivicán
Correctional El Brillante COR Artemisa
Correctional Calderón 2 COR Alquilar
Correctional Camp Aguacate COR
Correctional Chafarinas COR Batabanó
Correctional ECOI-4 COR Güines
Correctional Farm el Violento COR S. J. de Las Lajas
Correctional El Henequen COR Guanajay
Correctional El Pilar COR Guanajay
Correctional Nave Blanca COR Nueva Paz
Correctional Pedroso COR Nueva Paz
Correctional La Pimienta COR Batabanó
Correctional San Felipe COR Batabanó
Farm Soledad COR Carretera Monumental
Guanabacoa Municipality

Havana City

Occidental Prison for Women or América Libre MSP Lisa
Prison of Valle Grande MSP La Lisa
Prison Combinado del Este MSP Carretera Monumental Guanabacoa
Municipality
Prison El Pitirre (1580) MSP San M. Del Padrón
Prison Combinadito (Minors) MIS Guanabacoa
Correctional Laboral Toledo MIS Marianao
Prison Micro 4 MIS Habana del Este Reparto Alamar
Prison Mulgoba (Minors boys) MIS Boyeros
Prison Mugoba ( Minors girls) MIS Boyeros
Correctional La Amalia COR S. De Las Vegas
Center for Reeducation of Women COR Boyeros
Correctional Guaicanamar COR Boyeros
Laboral Zoológico Nacional COR Boyeros
Correctional Ivanov COR Cotorro
Correctional La Lima COR Guanabacoa
Correctional Perla COR Arroyo Naranjo

Isla de la Juventud

Prison El Guayabo MIS Island of Youth
Center for Reeducation of Minors COR Island of Youth
Correctional Los Colonos COR Island of Youth
Paquito Rosales Cueto (1 y 11) COR Island of Youth
Prison la 60 (Columbia) COR Island of Youth

Matanzas

Prison Combinado del Sur MSP Matanzas
Prison Aguíca MSP Colon
Prison of Canaleta MSP Perico
Prison for Women MSP Matanzas
Prison Combinado Sur for Women MSP Matanzas
Prison Combinado Sur for Men MSP Matanzas
Labor Camps in The MSP Ciénaga de Zapata
Prison La Paula (for Officers) Prison Versalles MSP Jovellanos,
0053-45-252442
Prison Curva Guerra ( Minors) MIS Unión de Reyes
Center for Minors ( Bellotek) MIS Matanzas
Correctional Acana (Cidra) COR Unión de Reyes
El Alberguito (Combinado del Sur) COR Matanzas
Correctional Alevinaje COR Calimete
Correctional Antón COR Calimete
Correctional Ato de Jicarita COR Unión de Reyes
Correctional Boca de Camarioca COR Cardenas
Correctional Buenaventura COR Cienaga de Zapata
Correctional Caimital COR Colón
Camp Mto. And Const. (Agüica) COR Colón
Campo Alegre (La Forestal) COR Los Arabos
El Castillo de San Severino COR Matanzas
Correctional Chacón COR Limonar
Correctional La Fermina COR Jovellanos
Gas Licuado ( Torriente) COR Jaguey Grande
Correctional La Guajira COR Jovellanos
Henequenera 2 (La Lanza) COR Limonar
Correctional Indarra COR Calimete
Correctional La Inés COR Calimete
Correctional El Maiz COR Cienaga de Zapata
Correctional Mexico (Jigüe) COR Colón
Mocha (Paso del Medio) COR Matanzas
Correctional Modelo COR Jagüey Grande
Módulo Casa de Visita COR Colón
Neda (CPA) Flor de Cuba COR Colón
Ocho Vías (Biajaca) COR Jagüey Grande
Correctional Las Palmas COR Matanzas
Correctional La Paloma COR Jovellanos
Correctional Pedaje (El Pío) COR Cienaga de Zapata
Pre Universitario AG-4 1 (Agramante) COR Jagüey Grande
Pre Universitario J-2 COR Jagüey Grande
Pre Universitario J-4 COR Jagüey Grande
Pre Universitario J-33 COR Jagüey Grande
San Cayetano ( Guamuta) COR Martí
Correctional San Juan COR Matanzas
Correctional San Roque COR Unión de Reyes
Correctional Secundaria J-6 COR Jagüey Grande
Taller del MININT COR Matanzas
Valle del Yumurí COR Matanzas
Correctional 50-50 COR Jagüey Grande
Finca Provincial del MININT COR Colón

Cienfuegos

Prison Ariza (Men) MSP Rodas
Prison Lagunillas (Women) MSP Rodas
Prison Vista Alegre MIS Palmira
Alcalde Mayor COR Abreus
El Brazo COR Cumanayagua
Espartaco COR Palmira
Galeón (Caoba) COR Aguada de Pasajeros
Guanito COR Aguada de Pasajeros
Horquitas COR Abreus
Jaragua COR Abreus
Juragua COR Cienfuegos
Juragua (Cultivos varios) COR Cienfuegos
Correctional Lagunillas COR Cienfuegos
Correctional Maribona COR S. I. De las Lajas
Correctional Tato Madruga COR Cienfuegos
Correctional Las Tecas COR Cienfuegos
Correctional Vista Alegre COR Palmira
Campo Alegre COR Cerca de Rodas

Villa Clara | State Security in Villa Clara | Tel: 0053-42-203177 |
DTI: 0053-42-208287

Prison Alambrada de Manacas MSP Santo Domingo
Prison Las Grimas MSP Placetas
Prison Provincial of Santa Clara MSP Santa Clara
Prison of Guamajal (Men) MIS Santa Clara
Prison of Guamajal (Women) MIS Santa Clara
Prison Motembo MIS Corralillo
Prison La Pendiente MIS Sagua La Grande
Prison El Rojo MIS Santa Clara
Correctional Los Azules COR
Correctional Berni COR Santa Clara
Correctional La Biajaca COR Manicaragua
Correctional La Esperanza COR Ranchuelo
Correctronal La Guerra COR Caibarién
Modulo PNR (Autoconsumo) COR Santo Domingo
Correctional Muelas Quietas COR
Correctional Novillas COR
Correctional Nuevo Mundo COR Corralillo
Correctional La Oca COR Corralillo
Correctional Palma Sola COR Corralillo
Correctional Pantín COR
Correctional Pavón COR Encrucijada
Correctional La Pista COR Santa Clara
Reeducation of Minors COR Santa Clara
Correccional San Antonio COR Cifuentes
Correctional Santa Clara COR Santa Clara
Correctional Sociedad COR Santo Domingo
Correctional Soler COR Santa Clara
Correctional Tierra Fría COR Camajuaní
Correctional Valle del Yabú COR Santa Clara
Correctional Viana COR
Quesada COR
Parrado COR Calabazar de Sagua



Prison Nieves Morejón (Men) MSP Cabaiguán
Prison Nieves Morejón (Women) MSP Cabaiguán
Center for Minors MIS Sancti Spiritus
Prison Las Mulas MIS Sancti Spiritus
Correctional El Anexo COR Cabaiguán
Center for Minors COR Sancti Spiritus
Correctional Ceva Sur COR La Sierpe
Chambelón (Taller del MININT) COR Sancti Spiritus
Delegation Provincial MININT COR Sancti Spiritus
Correctional Granja Fomento COR Fomento
Correctional Hornos de Cal COR Sancti Spiritus
Jatibonico (Construction) COR Jatibonico
Correctional Los Levines COR
Correctional Monte Oscuro COR Taguasco
Correctional Los Negros COR
Correctional Panini COR Sancti Spiritus
Correctional Piedra Gorda COR Fomento
Correctional Pozo Colorado COR
Correctional Ranchón COR
Correctional La Sierpe COR La Sierpe
Correctional La Soya COR Sancti Spiritus
Sur del Jíbaro (Dangerous) COR
Correctional Taguasco COR Sancti Spiritus
Correctional La Ternera COR Sancti Spiritus
Correctional Tránsito COR
Camino de los Hornos COR ( Open Farm)
Monte Oscuro COR
La Amistad COR

Ciego de Avila

Provincial Prison of Canaleta MSP Carretera Sanguilí Kilómetro 2
½ , Ciego de Ávila
Prison Ceballos for Women MSP 20 09/96 Ciego de Ávila
Prison of Morón MIS 500 Morón Tel: 0053-33-53182
Provincial Center for Minors MIS Ciego de Avila
Correctional El Azufre COR Ciego de Ávila
Correctional Capote COR Chambas
Correctional Columna (f-B) COR C. Redondo
Correccional La Cuba ( Militar) COR Gaspar
Correctional Majagua COR Ciego de Ávila
Correctional Manga Larga COR Chambas
Correctional Nadales 1 COR Ciego de Ávila
Correctional Nadales 2 COR Ciego de Ávila
Palma Mocha ( Ciego de Ávila) COR Majagua
Correctional Pitajones COR Ciego de Ávila
Correctional La Virginia COR Ciro Redondo
Correctional Materias Primas COR Ciego de Ávila
Correctional La Ofelia COR Venezuela
Correctional Cunagua COR
Correctional Sanguily COR

Camaguey

Provincial prison for Women (Kilo 5) MSP 120 Camaguey Carretera de
Camagüey a Nuevitas
Prison Cerámica Roja MSP 1180 Camaguey
Prison La Disciplinaria MSP 1120 Camaguey
Prison Kilo 7 MSP 2750 Camaguey
Prison Especial Kilo 8 (La 26) MPS 650 Camaguey Carretera Nuevitas
Kilómetro 7 ½ Reparto Albaiza, Camagüey 5 CP 70500, Director: Colonel
Francisco Morales Reina
Center for Youth Rehab MIS 250 Camaguey
Center for Minor Rehab-H MIS 60 Camaguey
Center for Minor Rehab-V MIS 200 Camaguey
La Forestal MIS Santa Cruz del Sur
Correctional El Acueducto COR Camaguey
Correctional Aguacate (Mujeres) COR Camaguey
Correctional Anoncillo COR Jimaguayu
Correctional La Arrocera COR Florida
Correctional La Atómica COR Sierra de Cubitas
Correctional La Bayamesa COR Najasa
Correctional Los Bomberos COR Vertientes
Bon de La Disciplinaria COR Camaguey
Cabeza de Vaca (Con internamiento) COR Camaguey
Cabeza de Vaca(Sin internamiento) COR Camaguey
Cabeza de Vaca (Autoconsumo Km 8) COR Camaguey
Correctional Cayo Romano COR Nuevitas
Correctional La Chivera COR Sierra de Cubitas
Correctional Los Corrales COR Sierra de Cubitas
Correctional Cordero COR Sierra de Cubitas
Correctional El Cristo COR Esmeralda
Correctional Las Cauces COR Camaguey
Correctional El Cultivo COR Camaguey
Correctional Curajaya COR Santa Cruz del Sur
Correctional La Ensamblada COR Florida
Fábrica de Cemento 26 de Julio COR Nuevitas
Correctional La Finquita COR Sierra de Cubitas
Correctional El Flamenco COR C.M. de Céspedes
Correctional Guardafronteras COR Nuevitas
Correctional Laguna del Pando COR Esmeralda
Correctional Laguna de Guano COR Vertientes
Correctional Laguna Grande COR Nuevitas
Correctional Limones COR Sibanicu
Correctional Lombillo COR Esmeralda
Correccional Las Marias COR Santa Cruz del Sur
Correctional Ojo de Agua COR Santa Cruz del Sur
Correctional El Paraíso COR Vertientes
Correctional Paso de Los Vientos COR Esmeralda
Correctional Plan Porcino COR Florida
Correctional Plan Porcino COR C.M. de Céspedes
Correctional Playa Santa Lucía COR Nuevitas
Correctional La Pulga COR Najasa
Punto de Ganado (Playa Santa Lucía) COR Nuevitas
Correctional Los Ranchos COR Camaguey
Correctional Sabanilla COR Camaguey
Correctional Santa Gertrudis COR Vertientes
Correctional El Senado COR Minas
Correctional El Tifi COR Nuevitas
Correctional La Uva COR Najasa
Correctional La Vallita COR Florida
Correctional Verdum COR Vertientes
Correctional Vilato COR Sierra de Cubitas
Correctional Las 40 COR Minas
Correctional La 80 COR Guaimaro
Correctional La 100 COR Esmeralda
Correctional Las 500 COR Vertientes

Las Tunas

Prison Provincial “El Típico” MSP Las Tunas 0053-31-43974
Potosí MSP Las Tunas
Becerra MIS Las Tunas
Provincial Center for Minors MIS Las Tunas
Prison La Matilde (Women) MIS Las Tunas
Roht Prison MIS Manatí
Correctional Bahía COR Las Tunas
Provincial Prison for Women “Yarigua” COR El Cruce de Domínguez
Provincial Prison for Minors Becerra COR Carretera a Puerto Padre
Las Tunas
Correctional Brigada 7 COR Majibacoa
Correctional Callojo COR Las Tunas
Correctional La Cantera COR Las Tunas
Correctional Los Cocos COR Las Tunas
Correctional Dormitorio COR Las Tunas
Correctional La Emilia COR Jobado
Correctional Los Esteros COR Amancio Rodríguez
Correctional Galvez COR Las Tunas
Correctional La Horqueta COR Las Tunas
Correctional El Indio COR Amancio Rodríguez
Correctional Laboral Piedra Hueca COR Las Tunas
Correctional La Larga COR Las Tunas
Correctional Loma Alta COR Jobabo
Los Naranjos (La Veguita) COR Las Tunas
Correctional Las Olemas COR Amancio Rodríguez
Correctional La Palma COR Jesús Menéndez
Correctional El Paraíso COR Amancio Rodríguez
Correctional El Parnaso COR Las Tunas
Correctional Pérez COR Majibacoa
Correctional La Perla COR Manatí
Correctional La Piedra COR Las Tunas
Correctional San Gregorio COR Las Tunas
Correctional Santa Amalia (Cañera) COR Amancio Rodríguez
Santa Amalia (Pecuaria) COR Amancio Rodríguez
Correctional Típico COR Las Tunas
Correctional La Torcaza COR Puerto Padre
Correctional Torres COR Amancio Rodríguez

Holguin | State Security in Holguín Tel: 0053-24-422369 | Departament
of Prisons, Holguín Province Tel: 0053-24-425171

DSE en Pedemales MSP Carretera Central Vía a Bayamo Holguin
Provincial Prison of Holguin MSP Carretera Central Vía Bayamo
Holguín Tel: 0053-24-461090
Provincial Prison for Women MSP Barriada de Certenejas Holguín
Prison Cuba SI (Militares y civiles) Carretera a San Germán MSP
Holguín Tel: 0053-24-423260
Provincial Prison for Minors MSP Carretera Central Vía a Bayamo
Holguín
Prison Playa Manteca MSP Holguín
Prison de Melones MIS Moa
Prison of Pinares (El Dos) MIS Mayarí
Prison Dos Bahías MIS Mayarí
Prison Ramón Dos MIS Cueto
Correctional Los Berros COR Banes
Correctional Bungalele COR Banes
Correctional Las Calabazas COR Sagua de Tánamo
Correctional El Carbón COR Mayarí
Correctional La Ladrillera COR Holguín
Correctional Los Naranjos COR Cacocún
Correctional Los Negritos COR Banes
Correctional Los Plátanos COR Sagua de Tánamo
Correctional El Purio COR Mayarí
Correctional Vista Alegre COR Banes
Correctional El Zarzal COR Cacocún

Granma

Provincial Prison Manga Nueva MSP Bayamo
Prison Manga Vieja (Men) MSP Bayamo
Provincial Prison for Women MSP Bayamo
Prison San Ramón MAS Campechuela
Prison Típico de Manzanillo MIS Manzanillo
Provincial Prison for Minors MIS Bayamo
Municipal Prison for Minors MIS Bayamo
Correctional Arroyo Blanco COR Guisa
Correctional Arrozal COR Campechuela
Correctional Ceiba Hueca Arriba COR Campechuela
Correctional Cerca Blanca COR Bayamo
Correctional Cubeña COR Campechuela
Granja Castro ( El 5 de Bayamo) COR Bayamo
Correctional Granja Cayama COR Rio Cauto
Correctional Cuatro Caminos COR Bartolomé Maso
Correctional Granja La Marina COR Media Luna
Correctional La Granjita COR Manzanillo
El Jardín de Rio Cauto COR Río Cauto
Loma de La Piedra COR Guisa
El Mango de La Cienaguilla COR Campechuela
Correctional Marea del Portillo COR Pilón
Correctional El Molino COR 268 11/96 Bayamo
Correctional Monte Histórico COR Bayamo
Correctional El Pastor COR Río Cauto
Correctional Pedregales (Peralejo) COR Bayamo
Correctional Pico Verde COR Guisa
Correctional El Puntito COR Campechuela
Correctional Punto de Humo COR Campechuela
Correctional El 6 de Santa Rosa COR Río Cauto
Correctional El Tanque COR Niquero

Santiago de Cuba | State Security in Santiago de Cuba Tel:
0053-226-693500

Prison Boniato MSP Carretera a Puerto Boniato Santiago de Cuba
Tel: 0053-226-23812
Prison for Women Mar Verde MSP Santiago de Cuba
Prison for Men Mar Verde MSP Santiago de Cuba
Prison Moscu MSP Contramaestre
Center for Minors MIS Santiago de Cuba
Provincial Prison for Minors MIS Carretera a Mar Verde
Prison Aguadores (Women and Men) MIS Carretera al Aeropuerto,
Santiago de Cuba
Prison Bahia Larga MIS Chivirico
Prison Ciudamar MIS Santiago de Cuba
Prison La Caoba MIS Municipio Palma Soriano, Santiago de Cuba
El Manguito MIS La Maya
Correctional Ciudamar COR Punta Gorda
Correctional El Alambre COR San Luis
Correctional Alcarraza COR Chivirico
Correctional Baragua COR Mella
Correctional Caballar COR San Luis
Correctional El Caguayo COR San Luis
Correctional Los Camilitos COR Contramaestre
Correctional Cortadera COR Segundo Frente
Correctional Cruce de Prieto COR Contramaestre
Correctional Cuatro Caminos COR Municipio Songo-La Maya
Correctional Cupei COR San Luis
Correctional Damajayabo COR Santiago de Cuba
Correctional Laguna Blanca COR Municipio Contramaestre
Correctional Limoncito COR Contramaestre
Correctional El Meson COR San Luis
Correctional La Mulata COR Segundo Frente
Correctional Peledero COR
Correctional Pinar de Las Canas COR Chivirico
Correctional El Rosario COR Segundo Frente
San Miguel de Pabada (La Jinetera) COR Santiago de Cuba
Correctional Santa María COR La Maya
Correctional Sigua COR Carretera a Bacanao Santiago de Cuba
Correctional Tilita COR Contramaestre
Correctional La Torcaza COR Contramaestre
Correctional La Venta COR Contramaestre
Correctional La Victoria COR
La Maya COR Municipio San Luis
Correctional Chivirico COR Municipio Contramaestre

Guantanamo

Provincial Prison for Women MSP Guantánamo
Combinado De Guantánamo (Men) MSP Guantánamo
Prisión A-500 MSP Guantánamo
Prison for Minors (17 a 21 años) MSP Guantánamo
Prison Paso de Cuba MSP Municipio Baracoa
Prison Boina Roja MSP Guantánamo
Casa Visita MININT MSP Guantánamo
Prison Santa Rosa MSP Maisi
Prison Tumbalabana (Women) MSP Municipio El Salvador
La Linagua COR Guantánamo
Correctional Bayate COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional El Caro COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional Carrera Larga COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional Chafarina COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional La Forestal COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional La Quijada COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional San Esteban COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional San Idelfonso (Women) COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional Santa Fé COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional La Tinaja COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional El Yarey COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional La Majimiana COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "La Lola" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "Manigüero" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "El Güiral" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "Jagüeyon" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "La Victoria" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "Perseverancia" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "Sabaneta" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "Limonar" COR Municipio El Salvador
Correctional "El Aguacate" COR Municipio El Salvador
El Jobito (children from 7 to 16 years) COR Municipio El Salvador
El Organopónico 16 Sur COR Guantánamo
Correctional Patrullas COR Guantánamo
Los Pinos (Construcción) COR Guantánamo
Correctional "San Carlos" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "Santa Catalina" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "Santa Cecilia" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "La Tagua" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "El Nípero" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "Alto del Mango" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "Montgomery" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "El Yarey" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "La Cantera" COR Guantánamo
Correctional La Sorpresa COR Guantánamo
Correctional "Granja del MININT" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "Casimba Arriba" COR Guantánamo
Correctional "Maqueisito" COR Guantánamo
Correctional Palenquito COR Municipio Yateras
Correctional Peña Blanca COR Municipio Yateras
Correctional Piccolino COR Municipio Yateras
Correctional Riito COR Municipio Yateras
Correctional Vía Mulata COR Municipio Yateras
Correctional "La Bamba" COR Municipio Yateras Grande- San Andrés
COR Municipio Yateras
Caridad de los Indios COR Municipio Yateras
Correctional "El Mosquitero" COR Municipio Baraco
Correctional La Poa COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional San Germán 1 COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional San Germán 2 COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional Tres Veredas COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional Yagrumage COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional Zoologico COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional Loma Del Pino COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional Manguito COR Municipio Baracoa
Correctional Río Seco COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional La Tolba COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional La Vega COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional La Mulata COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional La Máquina COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional La Ceiba COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional La Placita COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional El Veril COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional Cantillo COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional Santa Marta COR Municipio de Maisí
Correctional Los Calderos COR Municipio Imias
Correctional Yacabo Arriba COR Municipio Imias
Correctional Mariana COR San Antonio del Sur
Correctional Los Mulos COR San Antonio del Sur
Correctional Viento Frío COR San Antonio del Sur
Puriales De Caujerí COR San Antonio del Sur
Correctional Quivicán COR San Antonio del Sur
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[Dutch]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote

> On Apr 13, 9:07 pm, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> Which foreign countries has Cuba invaded and raped under Castro? Which
>> ethnic group has Castro attempted to exterminate? I'm wondering what
>> basis
>> you are using for the comparison. Or are just being good old popinjay?
>
>
> Oh I see. In Dutch's world, Hitler = bad dictator, and Castro = not-
> so-bad dictator.

<snip>

I don't believe your bullshit, and perspective please, here...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7eT_1-zCMkc&feature=youtube_gdata

[Pepe Papon]

On Fri, 13 Apr 2012 17:53:26 -0700, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>>>The reaction brought harm to the employer, not his words. Ozzie was dumb,
>>>the fans are a bunch of assholes.
>>
>> Another unsupportable opinion. And even if it's true, so what? Maybe
>> we can pass a law to change human nature.
>
>My suggestion would be that the team make this a token gesture to assuage
>these fans, and not dock him any pay, because he did nothing wrong.

My guess would be that you've never run a business or if you have, you
didn't last very long.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 14, 12:05 am, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> <snip>
>
> I don't believe your bullshit, and perspective please, here...
>

What do you mean "my perspective", you little punk, you 15-year-old
little punk. Everything I cited, that you just snipped out, was and
is 100% true, you cowardly little bitch. This is why you have ZERO
respect on this newsgroup, it's not my fault, it's your fault. This
is why you got singled out in your 15 minutes of Popinjay fame.
Because you're a dishonest little bitch and you deserve it.

[BillB]

On 4/14/2012 12:12 AM, popinjay999 wrote:

> What do you mean "my perspective", you little punk, you 15-year-old
> little punk. Everything I cited, that you just snipped out, was and
> is 100% true, you cowardly little bitch. This is why you have ZERO
> respect on this newsgroup, it's not my fault, it's your fault. This
> is why you got singled out in your 15 minutes of Popinjay fame.
> Because you're a dishonest little bitch and you deserve it.

As an RGP oddsmaker, what would you set the odds of Dutch having worn a
Che t-shirt at least once in his life.

[Dutch]

"popinjay999" <paulpo...@sbcglobal.net> wrote in message
news:a194775c-6c76-4ab7...@js1g2000pbc.googlegroups.com...

It's bullshit, and I didn't say "your perspective" I said have some
perspective, watch the video.

And don't forget to check under your bed for Commies before you go
sleepy-bye.

[Dutch]

"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.com> wrote in message

news:ss8io7d3k68j5a8nf...@4ax.com...

Why do you say that? The rabid anti-Castro-ites don't need to know he didn't
lose any pay.

[Dutch]

"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
news:rM9ir.616$VF7...@newsfe02.iad...

Have you?

[Clave]

"BillB" <bo...@shaw1.ca> wrote in message
news:rM9ir.616$VF7...@newsfe02.iad...

<...>

> As an RGP oddsmaker, what would you set the odds of Dutch having worn a
> Che t-shirt at least once in his life.

Zero.

[BillB]

No.

[popinjay999]

On Apr 14, 12:39 am, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

>
> It's bullshit,


What's bullshit? The thousands of people murdered by Castro? The
thousands of people who died trying to escape? The hundreds of
prisons I listed on that tiny island nation? Fuck you. You fucking
maggot. You ignorant little fucking maggot. You and Bill Maher
should both be chopping sugar cane.

[BillB]

On 4/14/2012 12:50 AM, Clave wrote:

>> As an RGP oddsmaker, what would you set the odds of Dutch having worn a
>> Che t-shirt at least once in his life.
>
> Zero.

Okay, put me down for $2 at 1,000,000:1 then. I'm good for it.

[Patrick Karl]

On 4/14/2012 12:09 AM, popinjay999 wrote:
> On Apr 13, 9:07 pm, "Dutch"<n...@email.com> wrote:
>>
>> Which foreign countries has Cuba invaded and raped under Castro? Which
>> ethnic group has Castro attempted to exterminate? I'm wondering what basis
>> you are using for the comparison. Or are just being good old popinjay?
>
>
> Oh I see. In Dutch's world, Hitler = bad dictator, and Castro = not-
> so-bad dictator.
>
> To answer your first question, Cuba openly sent invasion troops into
> Angola, Costa Rica, Honduras, and Nicaragua, resulting in thousands of
> deaths.
>
> And further, according to Genocide Watch dot org, Castro is at the top
> of their list,

What list?

having been responsible for the deaths of 35,000 to
> 141,000 people. (1959-1987).
>
> Other estimates of deaths in the first years of Castro's rule
> included:
>
> 30,000 executed by firing squad
> 2,000 extra-judicial assassinations
> 5,000 deaths in prison due to beating by guards and denial of medical
> care
> 60,000 deaths while trying to escape Cuba by sea

Do you have the same statistics for the American revolution, by any chance?

>
> Below is a short list of all the prisons and jails on this small
> island of only 11 million people.
>
> Prison or Correctional Center
> Pinar del Rio Province | Ministry Delegation, 0053-82-4531 y 4532 |
> State Security, 0053-82-3697
>
> Prison Sandino MSP Sandino
> Prison Taco Taco MSP San Cristóbal

.
.
.
What do you mean by "short" list? What is its significance?

[fffurken]

On Apr 14, 8:41 am, "Dutch" <n...@email.com> wrote:

> > As an RGP oddsmaker, what would you set the odds of Dutch having worn a
> > Che t-shirt at least once in his life.
>
> Have you?

I haven't, but I'm not at all sure I'm happy about all this bad talk
of compadre Mr. Lynch.

[popinjay999]

Ah, John Karl Patrick, Dutch's even stupider little brother.

[Patrick Karl]

Ah, Poopinpants, a waste of space.

[~M~]

"Dutch" wrote in message news:1l9ir.24$M37...@newsfe01.iad...

>I don't believe your bullshit, and perspective please, here...

Guillen also called reporter Jay Mariotti a "fag." Now is he bad?


--
"We'd all be dead by now if it were not for government regulating private
business."
- Dutch 12/3/2011

[~M~]

"Patrick Karl" wrote in message news:jmconf$itr$1...@dont-email.me...

>Do you have the same statistics for the American revolution, by any chance?
>

>What do you mean by "short" list? What is its significance?

It's not surprising that Patrick Karl Marx is a Castro fan.