GCA "Russ G talks ONLINE POKER"
Newgca
big disappointment. Contrary to belief, I have been playing online poker for
close to 3 years. At one time I even had an account in my own name, before
going public with the tapes.
I have stated I have numerous accounts. I have bought many all over the
country, some long ago. I have started new ones as recently as this week. While
some accounts continue to win continuously, some never win.
The new accounts seem to get destroyed by 2 card outs, meaning have AA against
JJ and putting the money in after the flop. I request the hand histories and
have everything. I have stated I will produce a DVD or tape on the ways to
cheat online, but there are ways it is already being done. It is being done by
the site's themselves, wanting more money.
Does it seem plausible I could win 100+ tournaments under several "KEY NAMES,"
yet NEVER cash with other names, the names more recently acquired. The proof
will come out in another book I am planning, for whatever is stated by these
sites, new accounts on many sites are at a great disadvantage. On other sites,
it only helps to be a newcomer, because cashing out is a sin.
Because I don't always tell people things, doesn't mean things aren't going on.
I am the same player for all my accounts, yet some of the accounts NEVER win,
while others NEVER lose. This has gone on for quite awhile.
Name accounts must be allowed to win, for it they didn't many would attack
online poker. The world of poker is small, with the name players being fairly
well known at most levels. The people being screwed are the new players who
play higher stakes. The ones having no names of being able to win, or ever
being heard of. This part makes sense, since what right has a player of
winning, who has never been heard of, coming off the street and beating some of
the toughest online games in the world?
This player has NO RIGHT to win, since it is obvious he isn't a professional,
since no one has ever heard of him. This is what keeps happening over and over.
However, there is a fly in this ointment, me. Please explain how several of my
accounts always win, while others never do. By the way, many of you would
recognize my account names
I have accounts that have never won. Quite a feat, when I have accounts that
have never lost. I have one account who has never cashed in the money in a
tournament in over 6 months, yet I have won more tournaments than most could
possibly imagine online.
I have put games out of business on line, meaning, when I was done playing that
game, the game no longer was played on a regular basis again.
Don't get the wrong idea, I WIN, I win BIG. I just don't win the right way.
Some accounts never miss a key draw, while others never make one. Some accounts
keep having the hands stand up, while others keep getting sucked out on all the
time, by hands that shouldn't be played, let alone shouldn't win. Does it make
sense, putting equal time into most accounts, that some are large winners over
the year, while other are good losers? Should account A be able to win 60K,
while account B lose 30K?
This just keeps going on and I keep documenting all of this. DK was right long
ago when he guessed I was playing online. The randomness or whatever you care
to call the way the cards come off the deck is something out of a horror movie.
Recently in a weeks period I had K's full, holding KK beaten 6 times in a week.
That same week I had A's full cracked twice, with AA.
In a combined span of playing professionally for almost 40 years, I have never
experienced this. Long ago I posted about a person having AA dealt to him 3
times in a row heads-up, going 5 bets before the flop, only to be basically
dead on the flop, as he had to hit runner runner. This person was me.
I converse with many that claim they have been making 20-60K online a year.
This I don't doubt at all. Many that state the higher figures, are high stakes
players. Look at things in a realistic manner. Outside of the publicity to
generate more players and make more money, why would the online casinos need
anyone that wins? The B&M's don't care for winners, so why should the online
sites care? Outside of the fact if no one won, no one would play. The best
publicity is from some of the true name players who do beat the games, but for
far less than the considered EV for this endeavor.
Consider Joe Blow who loses all of the time. What's he going to do? Can he
complain? Who wants to listen to him. It is FACT, many are winners online. It
is fact that for every winner, there are perhaps 100 losers.
Only an IMBECILE could possibly believe one of these programs that state 30% of
the players are winners. These sites make millions every year, just as the
B&M's, yet how many are winners? Do you believe the losers will come onto RGP
and state they have lost everything they possess? The sites allow you to place
2000 a month online as they are looking out for your best interests. This is BS
since all they look out for are their own. The sites have had so many credit
cards pull the plug on them due to the fact so many people complained to the
companies.
Many people keep vast amounts of money online. The time will come when some
these sites will go bankrupt and everyone will be F+++++. Do you truly believe
if the United States made it a crime to gamble online and enforced it, these
sites would return the money? Hell, you have no idea who owns some of these
sites. You also have NO RECOURSE.
Have any of you realized how inflated the numbers are on many of these sites?
Many people play multiple games, 3 or more being very common. Consider the
numbers who do this and you'll recognize things may not be the way they look.
Gambling is addictive and few people make money off playing the games, contrary
to the BS stated by devices that state to the contrary. Who in their right mind
can possibly believe 20%+ of the players online make money? How about 1%, and
even this is a high number.
You can state over and over about how you win, how the cards come out, but I
got news for you, this is all BS. Sure, the winners will post and their shills
will support them. Problem is if they are winning, why post on RGP all the
time. Play more and earn more. The tapes and the book will end online poker for
me.
I have learned much about small online games during the past 6 months, due to
giving lessons. Sites allowing for multiple table play make games far harder to
beat. Patience is a part of poker one must rely on in order to win. Playing
multiple games allows many to play the premium staring hands without getting
bored. The fact they are kept busy by the number of tables they play, allows
many to win without having patience. Online games at small levels are far more
difficult than their casino counterpart.
Online poker will in most probability continue to grow, unless the US
government pulls the plug. If and when this happens, expect to be screwed out
of the money you have online. It doesn't matter who guarantee's what, it will
mean nothing. To much money will be at stake. Having the shills promote online
poker over and over is a joke.
Yes, it is poker, but it isn't real poker. Is it beatable? So far as I see, it
is quite beatable, but not in the manner like playing in the B&M's. Beats
online are incredible and the hands that come out are also. I made 4 Royal
flushes the other day, and have the hand histories to prove it. I can't
remember making 4 Royal flushes in my whole life, prior to this.
In reality poker is a very boring game, a game where many big hands are NOT
made. Online, big hands are a dime a dozen. Winners state the losers haven't a
clue how to play. Most are right in this assumption. I am not one of the losers
and I am telling you these cards don't come out realistically, no matter what
is stated. Proof, of course no one has it and must rely on the sites for their
honesty. Russ Boyd is just one, more will be on their way as the bigger ones
start putting the smaller sites out of business. Do you think the smaller sites
will give up the money without a fight?
A business will either make it or go bankrupt. Expect more and more online
sites to go bankrupt as the bigger sites grow. Remember, I warned you. Until
online gaming is regulated by the US, no online sites will be secure, except
for the European sites which don't allow US players.
As far as online poker goes, tournaments are the best shot for the recreational
player. As far as cash games go for the bigger money, forget online poker. You
can also forget the B&M's for the bigger games also, for wherever the money is,
someone is always trying to get more.
If you fools believe for an instant that an employee or the site itself
wouldn't care to make an extra 10K a day or more, something not taxable even
in the other countries, by having dummy accounts, you will get what you
deserve. Meanwhile milk it for what you can get and the others will lose
whatever they can. It will come to an end.
Word keeps going around that programs have been developed allowing the ability
to see other people cards. Obviously I can't prove this and don't have the
program. If I did, do you think I would sell it? Would you sell it? How much
would it be worth?
Russ Georgiev
RGPvsReality
>From: new...@aol.com (Newgca)
> I made 4 Royal
>flushes the other day, and have the hand histories to prove it. I can't
>remember making 4 Royal flushes in my whole life, prior to this.
>
Please confirm this statement above for us by posting hand histories. Change
your name do whatever, but for once please provide us with some facts. If you
prove this one I will slink off into reality.
Newgca
>your name do whatever, but for once please provide us with some facts. If
>you
>prove this one I will slink off into reality.
This is a problem. If you can figure out a way I can do this, I will gladly do
this. Changing my name wouldn't mean anything, simply because the hand has a
number and a site.
Would you like me to just write a hand history? Obviously being able to prove
it is important, but I do have them. At this time I CAN'T give up the
identities I play under.
I have SO MANY HAND HISTORIES stored, it would take a person a year to sort
them.
RGPvsReality
>From: new...@aol.com (Newgca)
>Date: 5/31/03 12:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time
>Message-id: <20030531030036...@mb-m03.aol.com>
This is simple. Take the hand history, change your name in each spot, then
delete the hand number. No one will be able to figure anything out from there.
But like I would figure, you would find a way to weasel out of it. You said
you got 4 royal flushes in one day, I am calling bullshit, you are out of
reality. Prove me wrong.
Ed Hill 777
I was naked.
Russell Georgiev
>delete the hand number
Change the name in each spot? You must be crazy. Do you really think given 9
names, the game and site, if wouldn't be a slam dunk figuring out who my alias
is? If I change the hand number and the names, who's going to go for this?
> No one will be able to figure anything out from there.
You must be joking?
>But like I would figure, you would find a way to weasel out of it. You said
>you got 4 royal flushes in one day, I am calling bullshit, you are out of
>reality. Prove me wrong.
I asked you for a way to show the hand histories, without giving my identities
up. This isn't the way, prove this RIGHT.
Russ Georgiev
Newgca
>you got 4 royal flushes in one day, I am calling bullshit, you are out of
>reality. Prove me wrong.
I told you once and I'm telling you again. I made 4 Royal Flushes in the same
day recently. They weren't under the same name, as they were made under three
of my alais's. One had 2 and two others had 1 each. As far as I am concerned,
this equals four. And to answer your next question, YES, all of these alais's
were in the same game at the same time.
Steven Evans
"Newgca" <new...@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20030531030036...@mb-m03.aol.com...
> >Please confirm this statement above for us by posting hand histories.
Change
> >your name do whatever, but for once please provide us with some facts.
If
> >you
> >prove this one I will slink off into reality.
>
> This is a problem. If you can figure out a way I can do this,
You should be smart enough to figure this out on your own
I will gladly do
> this.
I don't think you have gladly done anything in the last few years.
Changing my name wouldn't mean anything, simply because the hand has a
> number and a site.
Every hand has a number and a site...you on the other hand have a delete key
and as we all know, a vivid enough imagination to change the Hand #, the
site and rename all the players to protect the guilty?
>
> Would you like me to just write a hand history? Obviously being able to
prove
> it is important,
Obviously, as you have trouble substantiating many things you have alleged
are true over the years
but I do have them
Sure ya do
At this time I CAN'T give up the
> identities I play under.
Nobody gives a rat's ass who you are online...we just want to see the proof
that you have em
>
> I have SO MANY HAND HISTORIES stored, it would take a person a year to
sort
> them.
It may take YOU a year to sort them, but many here, myself included have
been getting hundreds of HH a month and have no problem sorting or storing
them.
Russ,
While I have always taken what you say with a grain of salt...I am calling
you out on this one...you are so full of shit it aint funny. Prove what you
have claimed...or shut up!!
Fat Chance,
Steve
Vince C
times, I think that some of his comments about online poker deserve some
consideration. This is my experience. I recently opened an account with
Paradise for $200, playing low limit Omaha 8 and Hold'em at .50 and 1.00. In
the first 2 days, I was up about $60.00. Over the next several days, the
roof fell in. I suffered an incredible number of bad beats, almost all of
which came on the river by players who had no business calling my bets
because their drawing odds were usually 22:1 or worse. I have played poker
in casinos for a number of years, and have never encountered the kinds of
"bad beats" that I saw online.
I'm sorry, but I have no confidence in the integrity of online poker, and I
would strongly advise everyone to avoid it.
Vince
kingfish
really wanna spend ur free time? in life what happen to u?(fishzilla)
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SIMON PHOENIX
amount of time he spends posting rambling nonsense on this group?
Doug Turner
change the name, deelte the hand number etc..... is that what do you
know!!! the hand histories themselves could be edited as well... well
I'll be...... that's amazing, but yet you want him to post them when
you are telling him to edit them..... put 2 and 2 together and you'd
realize the whole damn thing could be edited/type in whatever....
So either believe him, or don't... but don't ask for 'proof' that
could just as easily be make-believe.
That's just a little good ol' fashioned common sense.
--stang_racin
Anon
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Larry W. (Wayno) Phillips
>Recently in a weeks period I had K's full, holding KK beaten 6 times in a week.
>That same week I had A's full cracked twice, with AA.
>In a combined span of playing professionally for almost 40 years, I have never
>experienced this.
Maybe you just don't know how to f**king play.
<rim shot>
Hey, just joking around there, Russ.
Welcome to online poker.
>Gambling is addictive and few people make money off playing the games, contrary
>to the BS stated by devices that state to the contrary.
Devices?
>Play more and earn more. The tapes and the book will end online poker for
>me.
Hey, when is THE BOOK coming out? Some of us don't have all
f**king day to wait for this thing.
> Patience is a part of poker one must rely on in order to win.
Thanks for the newsflash.
>Online poker will in most probability continue to grow, unless the US
>government pulls the plug.
"Hello? NY Times? Yeah, I've got some breaking news for you:
Online poker will in most probability continue to grow, unless the US
government pulls the plug. You're welcome."
>Beats online are incredible and the hands that come out are also.
This has never been written before on RGP. Thank God somebody
finally had the nerve to step forward and say it.
>In reality poker is a very boring game, a game where many big hands are NOT
>made.
Sklansky, Carson & Krieger-- I hope you're paying attention to
this.
>A business will either make it or go bankrupt.
Wha...?
>Russ Georgiev
mike a
initially on Paradise but it is rigged. If you owned it would it be
honest. Why be satisfied with the rake when you can take the whole
deposit. Stars was funny. I deposited $900 and ran it to $2600,
winning with everything. Starting hands...forget about it. When u
first open at stars play everything because you will win. Then... it
got stupid the other way. AA vs 4 6 suited. You are dead. Online
poker is entertainment. I have not sent in another dime and will not.
I do enjoy watching Tom Mcevoy od Danny N ot john J play. Much
easier than at the WSOP. You can really see what they are doing. My
advice is to use it to learn the game by watching the good players and
the "inside" players. But stick to the play tables.
new...@aol.com (Newgca) wrote in message news:<20030531013856...@mb-m26.aol.com>...
Steven Evans
I never thought of it that way...and I am usually the king of common
sense...Thanks!
And Russ...never mind...
Steve
"Doug Turner" <stang...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Newgca
>could just as easily be make-believe.
>
>That's just a little good ol' fashioned common sense.
>
>--stang_racin
It's hard to fight the truth, logic just gets in the way.
Newgca
>you out on this one...you are so full of shit it aint funny. Prove what you
>have claimed...or shut up!!
>
>Fat Chance,
>
>Steve
Care to wager enough, I will, otherwise wait.
Newgca
>in casinos for a number of years, and have never encountered the kinds of
>"bad beats" that I saw online.
And you never will. SCOBI is right.
Newgca
The pokerbots. Wayno, Razzo, Mikey O etc.
>Hey, when is THE BOOK coming out? Some of us don't have all
>f**king day to wait for this thing.
You can bet every F+++++G dime you own it's coming out. It will be on a
Tuesday, I just haven't determined which one.
Newgca
>the
>amount of time he spends posting rambling nonsense on this group?
>
Curious as how you have the time to read them. As for me, I am at the coomputer
12 hours a day. But as I have told you, I have many these days.
My work bench consists of about 20 feet of desks in a row, with a minimum of 8
computers set up. I have two top of the line lap tops and the rest are PC's. I
move the laptops to the PC's I am playing on. I have multiple phones lines and
cable connection. This will all be available to be seen when my tape and DVD
comes out.
Besides, you didn't know I had myself CLONED? The line must continue!!!!!!!!!
Peg Smith
stang...@yahoo.com (Doug Turner) writes:
>...So either believe him, or don't... but don't ask for 'proof' that
>could just as easily be make-believe.
>
>That's just a little good ol' fashioned common sense.
>
Yep, I'm amazed at this. As Russ himself tried to say, once he sanitizes the
game number and players' names, it becomes just another document that could've
been done on a word processor and doesn't prove a thing.
Peg
PigDog
>I have played poker in casinos for a number of
> years, and have never encountered the kinds of "bad beats" that I saw
> online.
> I'm sorry, but I have no confidence in the integrity of online poker,
> and I would strongly advise everyone to avoid it.
This is pure idiocy. What the hell are you doing playing at a stupid 50
cent table? of COURSE people are calling with 22:1 pot odds. They don't
care about pot odds and if you have a whole table of people calling in such
a manner well that suddenly makes it 22:9 and there's a good chance one of
them will get lucky. Basing your opinion of online poker on winning $60 in
a crapshoot 50c game and then blowing it is just weak.
PigDog
> My experience was very consistent with what Russ has described. Won
> initially on Paradise but it is rigged. If you owned it would it be
> honest. Why be satisfied with the rake when you can take the whole
> deposit. Stars was funny. I deposited $900 and ran it to $2600,
> winning with everything. Starting hands...forget about it. When u
> first open at stars play everything because you will win. Then... it
> got stupid the other way. AA vs 4 6 suited. You are dead. Online
> poker is entertainment. I have not sent in another dime and will not.
> I do enjoy watching Tom Mcevoy od Danny N ot john J play. Much
> easier than at the WSOP. You can really see what they are doing. My
> advice is to use it to learn the game by watching the good players and
> the "inside" players. But stick to the play tables.
HAH this is a new one. A guy that plays every hand and thinks online poker
is rigged. Take your own advice re: play tables buddy.
Vince C
"PigDog" <pig...@bigfoot.com.au> wrote in message
news:bbbph5$7vo4s$1...@ID-180773.news.dfncis.de...
> Vince C wrote:
> >I have played poker in casinos for a number of
> > years, and have never encountered the kinds of "bad beats" that I saw
> > online.
> > I'm sorry, but I have no confidence in the integrity of online poker,
> > and I would strongly advise everyone to avoid it.
>
> This is pure idiocy. What the hell are you doing playing at a stupid 50
> cent table? of COURSE people are calling with 22:1 pot odds. They don't
> care about pot odds and if you have a whole table of people calling in
such
> a manner well that suddenly makes it 22:9 and there's a good chance one of
> them will get lucky.
Actually , you are quite wrong. In playing hundreds of games online, I don't
recall a single game in which 8 players saw the flop. More often than not,
there were only 3 or 4. With only 3 or 4 dollars in the pot, calling a $1
bet against 22:1 odds is bad poker. Check the statistics at Paradise before
you attack.
Vince
Turbot
"Vince C":
> Actually , you are quite wrong. In playing hundreds of games online, I
don't
> recall a single game in which 8 players saw the flop. More often than not,
> there were only 3 or 4. With only 3 or 4 dollars in the pot, calling a $1
> bet against 22:1 odds is bad poker. Check the statistics at Paradise
before
> you attack.
On average in the full-table $0.5/$1 Paradise HE games which go to a flop:
46% of players see the flop; 8 or more players see the flop in 0.84% of
those games; 0.59 players see 80+% of the flops.
PigDog is quite right; your analysis is terrible. You play poker for 2 days
and are up. You play for another 4 days and go down. You find this
suspect? - then you've got a lot to learn about variance. You get "bad
beats" playing against opponents playing "bad poker". What the hell do you
expect? A down month would unremarkable against this sort of opposition.
You'd get a greater proportion of these "bad beats" on the play money tables
and fewer at the $1/$2 tables. So according to your reasoning, Paradise rigs
the play money tables more than the cash games and rigs the low limit games
more than the higher limits. You do realise how stupid this sounds?
John Bevilaqua
> Many of you thinking you get a square shot playing online poker are in for a
> big disappointment. Contrary to belief, I have been playing online poker for
> close to 3 years. At one time I even had an account in my own name, before
> going public with the tapes.
There were recent updates to the demo web site...
http://www.21stCenturyInc.com/HoldEm/poker.htm
This is where the "On Board Analysis" would occur,
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This is distinct from YOUR hand analysis which
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This is a very powerful tool. No human can
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after about 30 seconds or even worse, fold your
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There is a small bug in the display area right now,
but fear not...it will be fixed very soon.
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After matching YOUR hand on your desktop with YOUR
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This proposed system will give you a MAJOR ADVANTAGE
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Plus the system will also track what each of your
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for your personal Poker Kennel.
Joe Long
wrote:
You'll never convince him. These guys are The Players Who Should
Never Lose, and once they suffer a bad run online they're convinced
they must have been cheated, and no amount of facts or logic can
overcome that.
--
Joe Long
jlong (at) rnbw (dot) com
Joe Long
wrote:
>Yep, I'm amazed at this. As Russ himself tried to say, once he sanitizes the
>game number and players' names, it becomes just another document that could've
>been done on a word processor and doesn't prove a thing.
Why would anyone believe anything this cheater and liar says? It's
total bullshit. I have Russ killfiled, but (alas) looked at some of
the responses in this thread. IMO it would improve the newsgroup if
everyone killfiled him, and never replied to his worthless trolling
garbage.
RazzO
>I have put games out of business on line, meaning,
>when I was done playing that game, the game no longer
>was played on a regular basis again.
So what's new?
RazzO
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