Go away and die
risky biz
or, "They tricked me into smoking". These are the assholes who light up at
a restaurant table next to you.
"Ms. Naugle, an office manager, had started smoking when she was 20 and
quit when she was 45 years old, her lawyer, Robert W. Kelley of Fort
Lauderdale, said in a telephone interview Friday. She now has severe
emphysema and needs a lung transplant she cannot afford, he said.
The jury assigned her 10 percent of the liability for her smoking and
disease, and Philip Morris 90 percent."
http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/business/21smoke.html
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joeturn
The Haig/Kissenger Depopulation Project has added extra killing
power to cigeretts and alcohol same as they tripled up on the
chemtrails!
Here in the United States smoking is not allowed in resturants just
alterd foods with malimine that enhance population control.Us smokers
have to go outside to smoke ! Maybe your Country will adopt that
feature before Nibiru sets in!!
Jerry Sturdivant
The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not the
government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get us
information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
attempt to modify behavior.
Jerry (modifying) 'n Vegas
- Life's a bitch, and then you're worm food.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Jerry Sturdivant" <jer...@cox.net> wrote in message
news:vCSNm.44772$W77....@newsfe11.iad...
>
>
>
> The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
> taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not
> the
> government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
> smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get us
> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
> dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
> attempt to modify behavior.
Fuck you, idiot boy.
You want socialized medicine, you pay extra for bad health habits.
risky biz
> On Nov 21, 12:04�am, "risky biz" <risky-...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > I just don't have any sympathy for these fucking idiots. "I didn't know"
> > or, "They tricked me into smoking". These are the assholes who light up at
> > a restaurant table next to you.
> >
> > "Ms. Naugle, an office manager, had started smoking when she was 20 and
> > quit when she was 45 years old, her lawyer, Robert W. Kelley of Fort
> > Lauderdale, said in a telephone interview Friday. She now has severe
> > emphysema and needs a lung transplant she cannot afford, he said.
> >
> > The jury assigned her 10 percent of the liability for her smoking and
> > disease, and Philip Morris 90
percent."http://www.nytimes.com/2009/11/21/business/21smoke.html
> >
> The Haig/Kissenger Depopulation Project has added extra killing
> power to cigeretts and alcohol same as they tripled up on the
> chemtrails!
>
> Here in the United States smoking is not allowed in resturants just
> alterd foods with malimine that enhance population control.Us smokers
> have to go outside to smoke ! Maybe your Country will adopt that
> feature before Nibiru sets in!!
"Your country"? From Voyager, no doubt.
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Arlo-Payne
LOL
Now that is some funny stuff considering it is coming from you.
Strange how you back all of the goverments crap and care little about what
others feel until your beloved Obama starts to step on your bad habits. LOL
Freedom is not just for you it is for everybody no matter how much you
hate that idea. You can't have the goverment control what others do and
at the same time insist it allows you to do whatever you want. No both
ways buddy boy.
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risky biz
> The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
> taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not the
> government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
> smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get us
> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
> dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
> attempt to modify behavior.
So we should file individual lawsuits against people who light up in
restaurants?
Anyway, what's that got to do with these dumbasses who smoke for forty
years then say they didn't know it was bad for their health and sue for
$300 million?
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Arlo-Payne"
>> The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
>> taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not
>> the
>> government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
>> smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get
>> us
>> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
>> dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
>> attempt to modify behavior.
> LOL Now that is some funny stuff considering it is coming
> from you. Strange how you back all of the goverments crap
> and care little about what others feel until your beloved
> Obama starts to step on your bad habits.
This shows you're really an ignorant person. I don't back all the government
programs. I'm not fat and I don't smoke. It's not about me.
Sorry if I embarrassed you but you had it coming.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- May you be cursed by a Gypsy who stutters...
Jerry Sturdivant
"risky biz"
> So we should file individual lawsuits against
> people who light up in restaurants?
The owner of the restaurant should make the business decisions. If he allows
smoking or has a smoking section is HIS business decision. As a customer, I'LL
decide if I go there.
> Anyway, what's that got to do with these dumbasses who
> smoke for forty years then say they didn't know it was bad
> for their health and sue for $300 million?
Lawsuit denied. Same for obese people. Same for people engaging in any risky
behavior.
Jerry (engaging) 'n Vegas
- I like kids, but I don't think I could eat a whole one.
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "risky biz"
>
>
>> So we should file individual lawsuits against
>> people who light up in restaurants?
>
> The owner of the restaurant should make the business decisions. If he
> allows
> smoking or has a smoking section is HIS business decision. As a customer,
> I'LL
> decide if I go there.
Restraunts are public accomodations.
People with breathing issues cannot tolerate smoke, and the law requires
them to have equal access.
Smokers don't need to smoke to eat.
These people DO need to breathe to eat.
Banning smoking in public, therefore, is fully justified.
RETARDS who smoke ought to have their heads examined.
I have a few related to me that I love dearly, but cannot stand this
particular aspect of them.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Beldin the Sorcerer"
>>> So we should file individual lawsuits against
>>> people who light up in restaurants?
>> The owner of the restaurant should make the business
>> decisions. If he allows smoking or has a smoking section
>> is HIS business decision. As a customer, I'LL decide if
>> I go there.
> Jerry, this is you, being a shithead.
>
> Restraunts are public accomodations.
But it�s still up to the business owner, what he serves; how he serves it.
Whether he has outdoor seating and any other number of elective services.
> People with breathing issues cannot tolerate smoke,
> and the law requires them to have equal access.
And the handicapped need ramps. Go look at the original question.
> Smokers don't need to smoke to eat.
That�s up to the smoker.
> These people DO need to breathe to eat.
So? Sit in the non-smoking section. Go to casinos that have no smoking
areas.
> Banning smoking in public, therefore, is fully justified.
Typical Republican. �Here, let me take away some of your rights. Let me tell
you how to live. Let me tell you how to die.� (Like the GOP did in Oregon).
> RETARDS who smoke ought to have their heads examined.
People that want to run other peoples� lives should have their head
examined.
> I have a few related to me that I love dearly, but
> cannot stand this particular aspect of them.
Tell them how to live. If they�re overweight, tell them what to eat or not
eat. If you don�t like the clothes they wear, or the church they go to; or
their sports; tell them the right way. Your in charge of them and their
wants and desires.
This �is just you being a shithead.�
Jerry �n Vegas
- 8 of 10 people suffer hemorrhoids. 2 enjoy them.
joeturn
wrote:
> "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote in message
I quit smoking for ten years and realized I had to start back to dull
my since of taste and smell! I have to say that clothes the second day
are hard to put back on because of the oder but without the smoking
the whole world stunk beyond acceptance!
Irish Mike
> The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
> taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not the
> government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
> smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get us
> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
> dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
> attempt to modify behavior.
>
As in buy government issued insurance or pay a fine and go to jail.
Irish Mike
OK folks, our phone lines are open and the tenth caller will win... The
Nobel Peace Prize!
____________________________________________________________________�
Irish Mike
> "Arlo-Payne"
>
>
>
> >> The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
> >> taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not
> >> the
> >> government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
> >> smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get
> >> us
> >> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
> >> dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
> >> attempt to modify behavior.
>
> > LOL Now that is some funny stuff considering it is coming
> > from you. Strange how you back all of the goverments crap
> > and care little about what others feel until your beloved
> > Obama starts to step on your bad habits.
>
> This shows you're really an ignorant person. I don't back all the government
> programs.
No, you just back the ones Obama tells you to back. Other wise, you stick
your head back in the Obama kool aid bucket and wait for instructions.
Irish Mike
Tax the rich and give it to the poor, 'til there ain't no rich no more.
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Irish Mike
You have to smoke to dull your "since" of taste and smell.
Congratulations bucko, that is without a doubt one of the stupidest posts
of 2009. In fact, that might be *The* stupidest post of 2009.
Irish Mike
"The problem with socialism is that, sooner or later, you run out of other
people's money."
Jerry Sturdivant
"Irish Mike"
>> I quit smoking for ten years and realized I had to start back
>> to dull my since of taste and smell! I have to say that clothes
>> the second day are hard to put back on because of the oder
>> but without the smoking the whole world stunk beyond
>> acceptance!
> You have to smoke to dull your "since" of taste and smell.
> Congratulations bucko, that is without a doubt one of the
> stupidest posts of 2009. In fact, that might be *The*
> stupidest post of 2009.
Gee, another idiot Republican telling you how fucked up you are and how you
should live. Be sure not to use aftershave; remove your little tree from
your rearview mirror. Take that scent thing from your air-conditioned. Pull
out all your flowers and throw away your scented soap. Tell your local
businesses to stop adding scent to their air system.
Fucking idiots like Irish Mike and the, "I'll tell you how to live,"
Republicans just don't get it.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- How do you tell an elephant from a grape?
Jerry Sturdivant
"Irish Mike"
>> The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
>> taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not
>> the
>> government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
>> smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get
>> us
>> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
>> dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
>> attempt to modify behavior.
> As in buy government issued insurance or pay a fine and go to jail.
Irish Mike remains an idiot. He has no clue as to what my statement meant or
referred to. All he can do is "Cut & Paste" right wing bullshit, then "Run."
>> This shows you're really an ignorant person. I don't back
>> all the government programs.
> No, you just back the ones Obama tells you to back. Other wise,
> you stick your head back in the Obama kool aid bucket and wait
> for instructions.
Me waiting for instructions? That's a laugh.
Nope. You're still a "Cut & Paste & Run," Rush Limbaugh parrot. He posts it;
you Cut & Paste & Run. But go ahead, "Cut & Paste & Run Mike." Prove your
point. Make your case. You made the accusation; lets see you back it up.
Or is this going to be your "RUN" part again? Fucking coward.
Jerry (calling out he coward) 'n Vegas
- I like to leave messages *before* the beep.
Pepe Papon
<jer...@cox.net> wrote:
>"Irish Mike"
>
>
>
>>> The government should not be in the religion and morality business. Extra
>>> taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes) should be removed. It's not
>>> the
>>> government's business what we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we
>>> smoke or drink. They may commission universities - or whatever - to get
>>> us
>>> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of possible
>>> dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes and laws in an
>>> attempt to modify behavior.
>
>> As in buy government issued insurance or pay a fine and go to jail.
>
>Irish Mike remains an idiot. He has no clue as to what my statement meant or
>referred to. All he can do is "Cut & Paste" right wing bullshit, then "Run."
Why do you bother? Talking to Mike is like talking to a brick wall.
--
~ Seth Jackson
MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong
Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>
>
>>>> So we should file individual lawsuits against
>>>> people who light up in restaurants?
>
>>> The owner of the restaurant should make the business
>>> decisions. If he allows smoking or has a smoking section
>>> is HIS business decision. As a customer, I'LL decide if
>>> I go there.
>
>> Jerry, this is you, being a shithead.
>>
>> Restraunts are public accomodations.
>
> But it's still up to the business owner, what he serves; how he serves it.
> Whether he has outdoor seating and any other number of elective services.
Doesn't change the requirements for ACCESS, Jerry.
>
>
>> People with breathing issues cannot tolerate smoke,
>> and the law requires them to have equal access.
>
> And the handicapped need ramps. Go look at the original question.
Original question doesn't matter.
The fact is, the restraunt owner doesn't make the decision, the government
does, and indeed has, and has banned it.
>
>
>> Smokers don't need to smoke to eat.
>
> That's up to the smoker.
No, shithead, it isn't.
>
>
>> These people DO need to breathe to eat.
>
> So? Sit in the non-smoking section. Go to casinos that have no smoking
> areas.
Jerry, how long have you been a complete fucking retard?
Your right to be a shit for brains ends at other people's lungs.
Choose a way to kill yourself that doesn't pollute everyone else in the
room.
>
>
>> Banning smoking in public, therefore, is fully justified.
>
> Typical Republican. "Here, let me take away some of your rights. Let me
> tell
> you how to live. Let me tell you how to die." (Like the GOP did in
> Oregon).
Are you a TOTAL fucking shithead?
Smoking bans are generally DEMOCRATIC ideas.
AND, fuckhead, it doesn't matter about politics. ALL PEOPLE have a right to
access public accomodations, and allowing smoking effectively BANS some of
them.
CHRIST, you're an imbecile even ATTEMPTING to label this "Republican".
There are 13 states without any general smoking bans :
[edit] States with no statewide smoking ban
As of November 2009, 13 states have not enacted any general statewide ban on
smoking in any non-government-owned spaces: Alabama, Alaska, Indiana,
Kansas, Kentucky, Michigan, Mississippi, Missouri, Oklahoma, South Carolina,
Texas, West Virginia, and Wyoming. Instead, laws in most of these states
(see individual state listings below for further information) require
proprietors of certain places to designate smoking and non-smoking areas and
post signage. In Oklahoma, state law prohibits local governments from
regulating smoking more strictly than the state, making it the only state
without any kinds of legislated smoking bans. In Michigan, per a 2001 court
decision, local governments have no power to ban smoking in restaurants and
bars.[5] In all the other eleven states, some cities and/or counties have
enacted local smoking bans to varying degrees, and in Michigan some cities
and counties have enacted local smoking bans excluding bars and restaurants.
Look at that list then look at this one :
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_states_and_blue_states#Red_States
Red States
a.. Utah (R + 30.768)
b.. Idaho (R + 27.018)
c.. Wyoming (R + 26.132)
d.. Nebraska (R + 22.606)
e.. Alaska (R + 20.946)
f.. Oklahoma (R + 20.152)
g.. Kansas (R + 16.892)
h.. North Dakota (R + 16.484)
i.. Alabama (R + 15.162)
j.. Texas (R + 12.872)
k.. Mississippi (R + 12.766)
l.. South Dakota (R + 11.920)
m.. South Carolina (R + 11.230)
n.. Montana (R + 9.668)
o.. Kentucky (R + 9.408)
p.. Indiana (R + 9.398)
q.. Georgia (R + 6.814)
r.. North Carolina (R + 6.086)
s.. Tennessee (R + 5.228)
10 out of 13
The ONLY blue state is Michigan.
Missouri and West Virginia, are 'purple states'
DAMN, you're a retard.
>
>
>> RETARDS who smoke ought to have their heads examined.
>
> People that want to run other peoples' lives should have their head
> examined.
Fuckhead, you can be a retard at home where it doesn't kill anyone else.
>
>
>> I have a few related to me that I love dearly, but
>> cannot stand this particular aspect of them.
>
> Tell them how to live. If they're overweight, tell them what to eat or not
> eat. If you don't like the clothes they wear, or the church they go to; or
> their sports; tell them the right way. Your in charge of them and their
> wants and desires.
Fuckhead, if they overeat, I don't die of cancer. If they worship some
deity, they're just foolish.
SMOKING kills everyone around them, you idiot.
You ARE a total fucking moron.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Pepe Papon"
>> Irish Mike remains an idiot. He has no clue as to what my
>> statement meant or referred to. All he can do is "Cut &
>> Paste" right wing bullshit, then "Run."
> Why do you bother? Talking to Mike is like talking to a brick wall.
You can own a brick wall. You can paint it and post graffiti on it. I own
this wall.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- Wisdom is knowing which bridge to cross and which to burn...
Jerry Sturdivant
"Beldin the Sorcerer"
>>>>> So we should file individual lawsuits against
>>>>> people who light up in restaurants?
>>>> The owner of the restaurant should make the business
>>>> decisions. If he allows smoking or has a smoking section
>>>> is HIS business decision. As a customer, I'LL decide if
>>>> I go there.
>>> Jerry, this is you, being a shithead.
>>>
>>> Restraunts are public accomodations.
>> But it's still up to the business owner, what he serves;
>> how he serves it. Whether he has outdoor seating and
>> any other number of elective services.
> Doesn't change the requirements for ACCESS, Jerry.
I didn�t say it did. Read what I stated above: I said, �The owner of the
restaurant SHOULD make the business decisions.�
>>> People with breathing issues cannot tolerate smoke,
>>> and the law requires them to have equal access.
>> And the handicapped need ramps. Go look at the original question.
> Original question doesn't matter.
Yea, it does. It�s why I said the own SHOULD be making these business
decisions. It what the original discussion was about.
> The fact is, the restraunt owner doesn't make the decision,
> the government does, and indeed has, and has banned it.
THAT WHY I SAID, �SHOULD.� THAT�S WHY I SAID READ THE ORIGINAL QUESTIONS YOU
FUCKING MORON.
>>> Smokers don't need to smoke to eat.
>> That's up to the smoker.
> No, shithead, it isn't.
Just how fucking stupid are you? I�m talking about how it SHOULD be. WITHOUT
THE GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE!
> Jerry, how long have you been a complete fucking retard?
Not as long as you.
READ WHAT I WROTE YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
You seem to be as stupid as other say you are.
Jerry (trying to deal with morons) �n Vegas
- Condoms, to take the worry out of being close!
Lab Rat
What? The only reason for any law is to modify behaviour.
Cigarettes are the only substances freely available that cause cancer when
used as recommended by the manufacturer. I guess you feel laws against
asbestos products and banning of thalidomide are not the governments
business either?
-------�
risky biz
Asbestos and thalidomide are different. They're not like tobacco which
comes with the implied right to force others to share it with you.
________________________________________________________________________�
Jerry Sturdivant
"Lab Rat"
>> The government should not be in the religion and morality
>> business. Extra taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes)
>> should be removed. It's not the government's business what
>> we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we smoke or drink.
>> They may commission universities - or whatever - to get us
> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of
>> possible dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes
>> and laws in an attempt to modify behavior.
> What? The only reason for any law is to modify behaviour.
I'd say 'prevent' certain behaviors. You don't modify bank robbery.
> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available that cause
> cancer when used as recommended by the manufacturer.
Nope. They 'think' it can. Like millions of others, I used to smoke and I
didn't get cancer. They also 'think' a lot of different behaviors can cause
cancer; using cell phones being one. The government studies should be
revealed and it's up to the people to make their own decisions. It's called
freedom.
I quit smoking. I don't demand others quite smoking. If they enjoy the
pleasures of smoking or getting fat or using cell phones, that's their
business. Some believe the quality of life is more important than the
quantity.
> I guess you feel laws against asbestos products and banning
> of thalidomide are not the governments business either?
Now you're making up positions for me. I stand by my above statement.
Jerry (sitting) 'n Vegas
- I multitask ... I read in the bathroom.
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>
>
>>>>>> So we should file individual lawsuits against
>>>>>> people who light up in restaurants?
>
>>>>> The owner of the restaurant should make the business
>>>>> decisions. If he allows smoking or has a smoking section
>>>>> is HIS business decision. As a customer, I'LL decide if
>>>>> I go there.
>
>>>> Jerry, this is you, being a shithead.
>>>>
>>>> Restraunts are public accomodations.
>
>>> But it's still up to the business owner, what he serves;
>>> how he serves it. Whether he has outdoor seating and
>>> any other number of elective services.
>
>> Doesn't change the requirements for ACCESS, Jerry.
>
> I didn't say it did. Read what I stated above: I said, "The owner of the
> restaurant SHOULD make the business decisions."
>
No, he or she shouldn't.
Equal access trumps owner's whim
eathing issues cannot tolerate smoke,
>>>> and the law requires them to have equal access.
>
>>> And the handicapped need ramps. Go look at the original question.
>
>> Original question doesn't matter.
>
> Yea, it does. It's why I said the own SHOULD be making these business
> decisions. It what the original discussion was about.
Because you're retarded?
Because the needs of people don't matter, in your idiot world view?
>
>
>> The fact is, the restraunt owner doesn't make the decision,
>> the government does, and indeed has, and has banned it.
>
> THAT WHY I SAID, "SHOULD." THAT'S WHY I SAID READ THE ORIGINAL QUESTIONS
> YOU
> FUCKING MORON.
Retard, 'should' they be allowed to ban people with certain skin colors?
You ARE pathetic.
>
>
>>>> Smokers don't need to smoke to eat.
>
>>> That's up to the smoker.
>
>> No, shithead, it isn't.
>
> Just how fucking stupid are you? I'm talking about how it SHOULD be.
> WITHOUT
> THE GOVERNMENT INTERFERENCE!
Retard, you ARE a moron.
People aren't allowed to discriminate against people with health issues, and
that IS how it SHOULD be. Fucking moron,
>
>
>> Jerry, how long have you been a complete fucking retard?
>
> Not as long as you.
>
> READ WHAT I WROTE YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
I did. It's the posting of a shit for brains.
Noting for the record you fail UTTERLY to admit you were a fucking imbecile
trying to blame the REPUBLICANS for smoking bans.
Jerry the complete shithead, ladies and gentlemen!
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Lab Rat"
>
>
>>> The government should not be in the religion and morality
>>> business. Extra taxes for cigarettes and alcohol (Sin Taxes)
>>> should be removed. It's not the government's business what
>>> we eat; how much we eat; if we're fat or if we smoke or drink.
>>> They may commission universities - or whatever - to get us
>> information on products; and tell us what we need to know of
>>> possible dangers; but don't tell us how to live. Don't use taxes
>>> and laws in an attempt to modify behavior.
>
>> What? The only reason for any law is to modify behaviour.
>
> I'd say 'prevent' certain behaviors. You don't modify bank robbery.
>
>
>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available that cause
>> cancer when used as recommended by the manufacturer.
>
> Nope. They 'think' it can
No, shithead.
It's been proven they do.
. Like millions of others, I used to smoke and I
> didn't get cancer.
Lucky and stupid is still stupid.
And you haven't died yet.
They also 'think' a lot of different behaviors can cause
> cancer; using cell phones being one. The government studies should be
> revealed and it's up to the people to make their own decisions. It's
> called
> freedom.
No, fuckhead, AGAIN you don't understand that smoking bans are there to
protect the REST of us from the moron smokers.
>
> I quit smoking. I don't demand others quite smoking. If they enjoy the
> pleasures of smoking or getting fat or using cell phones, that's their
> business. Some believe the quality of life is more important than the
> quantity.
>
They have no right to shorten the quantity of anyone else's life.
>
>> I guess you feel laws against asbestos products and banning
>> of thalidomide are not the governments business either?
>
> Now you're making up positions for me. I stand by my above statement.
Because., hey,. you're a shithead.
John_Brian_K
> > smoke for forty years then say they didn't know it was bad
> > for their health and sue for $300 million?
>
> Lawsuit denied. Same for obese people. Same for people engaging in any risky
> behavior.
lol
I get millions for people who smoked who have lung cancer, but not because
they smoked of course.
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You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
==============================
47.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
JBK
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John_Brian_K
> eat. If you don�t like the clothes they wear, or the church they go to; or
> their sports; tell them the right way. Your in charge of them and their
> wants and desires.
>
You're
==========================================
You must not think me necessarily foolish because I am facetious,
nor will I consider you necessarily wise because you are grave.
==============================
47.6% of all statistics are made up on the spot.
JBK
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Beldin the Sorcerer"
>> I didn't say it did. Read what I stated above: I said,
>> "The owner of the restaurant SHOULD make the
>> business decisions."
> No, he or she shouldn't.
Typical Republican. �You can�t eat french-fries because they contain fat.�
�Put that salt shaker down!� �Notice the menu is missing a lot of items we
used to have.�
>>>> Go look at the original question.
>>> Original question doesn't matter.
>> Yea, it does. It's why I said the own SHOULD
>> be making these business decisions. It what
>> the original discussion was about.
> Because you're retarded?
You�re the one that didn�t understand the thread.
> Because the needs of people don't
> matter, in your idiot world view?
Note the retards have to make up positions for others; like you just did.
> Retard, 'should' they be allowed to ban people with certain
> skin colors? You ARE pathetic.
Note the retarded have to make up positions for others; like you just did.
>> READ WHAT I WROTE YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
> I did. It's the posting of a shit for brains.
At least you admit you couldn�t address the original thread. It�s also an
admission of you being a moron.
Jerry (lol @ u) �n Vegas
- Friends help you move. Real friends help you move bodies.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Beldin the Sorcerer"
>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
>>> the manufacturer.
>> Nope. They 'think' it can
> No, shithead.
> It's been proven they do.
It�s the general consensus you�re an idiot; so they won't mind if I continue
to make fun of your stupidity.
No, it�s not proven smoking causes cancer because millions that have smoked;
and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
>>> I guess you feel laws against asbestos products and
>>> banning of thalidomide are not the governments
>>>business either?
>> Now you're making up positions for me.
>>I stand by my above statement.
> Because., hey,. you're a shithead.
Now that you admit to being an idiot; admit making up positions for me; we
can all join in laughing at you. You really are a stupid person.
Jerry �n Vegas
Pepe Papon
<jer...@cox.net> wrote:
>"Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>
>
>>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
>>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
>>>> the manufacturer.
>
>>> Nope. They 'think' it can
>
>> No, shithead.
>> It's been proven they do.
>
>It�s the general consensus you�re an idiot; so they won't mind if I continue
>to make fun of your stupidity.
>
>No, it�s not proven smoking causes cancer because millions that have smoked;
>and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
Jerry,
While I'm certainly no fan of Beldim, this is one of those occasions
where he happens to be correct:
---------
Smoking is a leading cause of cancer and of death from cancer. It
causes cancers of the lung, esophagus, larynx (voice box), mouth,
throat, kidney, bladder, pancreas, stomach, and cervix, as well as
acute myeloid leukemia (1).
----------
http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/factsheet/Tobacco/cessation
That was only the first of many links that came up when I Googled
"smoking cause cancer" (no quotes in the actual search).
Lab Rat
> No, it�s not proven smoking causes cancer because millions that have smoked;
> and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
By that reasoning, we could argue that since not everyone who has sex gets
pregnant, it's not proven that sex causes pregnancy.
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Jerry Sturdivant
"Pepe Papon"
>>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
>>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
>>>> the manufacturer.
> While I'm certainly no fan of Beldim, this is one of those
> occasions where he happens to be correct:
No, again. It's believed it CAN cause cancer. A lot of things are believed
to POSSIBLY cause cancer.
Jerry 'n Vegas
- The People are the Militia.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Lab Rat"
>> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because
>> millions that have smoked; and used to smoke; do
>> not have cancer.
> By that reasoning, we could argue that since not
> everyone who has sex gets pregnant, it's not proven
> that sex causes pregnancy.
Wrong reasoning. If you have sex you MAY get pregnant.
True or false?
Jerry 'n Vegas
- The Republicans THE Enemies of Freedom....
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>
>>> I didn't say it did. Read what I stated above: I said,
>>> "The owner of the restaurant SHOULD make the
>>> business decisions."
>
>> No, he or she shouldn't.
>
> Typical Republican. "You can't eat french-fries because they contain fat."
Shithead that's a DEMOCRAT mindset.
DEMOCRATS pass helmet laws and seat-belt laws, and ban trans-fats.
How LONG have you been a complete shithead?
> "Put that salt shaker down!" "Notice the menu is missing a lot of items we
> used to have."
Thank the Democratic party for all that, you retard.
>
>
>>>>> Go look at the original question.
>
>>>> Original question doesn't matter.
>
>>> Yea, it does. It's why I said the own SHOULD
>>> be making these business decisions. It what
>>> the original discussion was about.
>
>> Because you're retarded?
>
> You're the one that didn't understand the thread.
No, fuckhead, you're the one without a clue at all.
>
>
>> Because the needs of people don't
>> matter, in your idiot world view?
>
> Note the retards have to make up positions for others; like you just did.
No, shithead, I merely stated your position clearly for you.
>
>
>> Retard, 'should' they be allowed to ban people with certain
>> skin colors? You ARE pathetic.
>
> Note the retarded have to make up positions for others; like you just did.
Nope, see above.
That is obviously your position, based on your prior comments
>
>
>
>>> READ WHAT I WROTE YOU FUCKING IDIOT!
>
>> I did. It's the posting of a shit for brains.
>
> At least you admit you couldn't address the original thread. It's also an
> admission of you being a moron.
No, fuckhead, it's a diagnosis of you being one.
Noting again, you failing UTTERLY to acknowledge documented proof that DEMS
do all the shit you claim to hate which you blame Republicans for.
You MUST be a secret republican.
No Dem could be THIS big a shithead.
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Beldin the Sorcerer"
>
>
>
>>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
>>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
>>>> the manufacturer.
>
>>> Nope. They 'think' it can
>
>> No, shithead.
>> It's been proven they do.
>
> It's the general consensus you're an idiot; so they won't mind if I
> continue
> to make fun of your stupidity.
>
> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because millions that have
> smoked;
> and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
Shithead, you failed reading comprehension how many times?
Smoking causes cancer.
It's documented.
Shooting someone with a bullet CAUSES death.
People don't THINK it does. They KNOW it.
They know it even though a large, not insignificant people have been shot
with a bullet and survived.
Being fortunate enough not to die the first time does not negate the fact
that they KNOW it can cause death.
YOU, being as dumb as a stump. with your head up your ass, can't follow
logic, which is why you suck Mike Moore's cock all the time.
>
>
>>>> I guess you feel laws against asbestos products and
>>>> banning of thalidomide are not the governments
>>>>business either?
>
>>> Now you're making up positions for me.
>>>I stand by my above statement.
>
>> Because., hey,. you're a shithead.
>
> Now that you admit to being an idiot; admit making up positions for me; we
> can all join in laughing at you. You really are a stupid person.
No, Jerry.
See, shithead, there are things that logically follow from statements.
His claim logically follows from your statement.
You, being a complete shit for brains, can't understand logic, so you think
he's making shit up, when in fact he's pointing out your position is (as
most of yours are) completely idiotic.
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Lab Rat"
>
>
>>> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because
>>> millions that have smoked; and used to smoke; do
>>> not have cancer.
>
>> By that reasoning, we could argue that since not
>> everyone who has sex gets pregnant, it's not proven
>> that sex causes pregnancy.
>
> Wrong reasoning. If you have sex you MAY get pregnant.
Action A is known to cause action B if action A can be demonstrated to
result in action B some percentage of the time.
It doesn't have to be 100%, you fucked in the head moron.
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Pepe Papon"
>
>
>>>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
>>>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
>>>>> the manufacturer.
>
>
>
>> While I'm certainly no fan of Beldim, this is one of those
>> occasions where he happens to be correct:
>
> No, again. It's believed it CAN cause cancer. A lot of things are believed
> to POSSIBLY cause cancer.
>
He gave you the cite.
It shows you're a fucked in the head moron.
Shut the fuck up, you retarded idiot.
Lab Rat
> "Lab Rat"
>
>
> >> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because
> >> millions that have smoked; and used to smoke; do
> >> not have cancer.
>
> > By that reasoning, we could argue that since not
> > everyone who has sex gets pregnant, it's not proven
> > that sex causes pregnancy.
>
> Wrong reasoning. If you have sex you MAY get pregnant.
>
> True or false?
False.
I'm male.
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Mark Doubt
wrote:
> "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote in message
My take on several of the earlier posts was someone was making the
point that second hand smoke was equally bad and I don't think you can
provide confirmed, substantiated, documented proof from a reliable
source that this is true. Agreeing that smoking is bad, nasty,
smelly, dirty and bugs lots of folks is easy and quite probably causes
cancer but car exhaust is another example of what is possibly worse
than second hand smoke. You don't want to be around smoke and
smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Mark Doubt" <mark...@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:acce602e-4ef2-418c...@r24g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
On Nov 26, 8:36 am, "Beldin the Sorcerer" <beldin...@verizon.net>
wrote:
> "Jerry Sturdivant" <jerr...@cox.net> wrote in message
>
> news:U6wPm.40206$We2....@newsfe09.iad...
>
>
>
> > "Pepe Papon"
>
> >>>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
> >>>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
> >>>>> the manufacturer.
>
> >> While I'm certainly no fan of Beldim, this is one of those
> >> occasions where he happens to be correct:
>
> > No, again. It's believed it CAN cause cancer. A lot of things are
> > believed
> > to POSSIBLY cause cancer.
>
> Jerry, how long have you been too stupid to read?
> He gave you the cite.
> It shows you're a fucked in the head moron.
>
> Shut the fuck up, you retarded idiot.
My take on several of the earlier posts was someone was making the
point that second hand smoke was equally bad and I don't think you can
provide confirmed, substantiated, documented proof from a reliable
source that this is true.
***
Your take is in error.
Second hand smoke is BAD.
That, too, is documented.
Is it AS bad as direct smoking? No.
Choosing NOT to, however, means not having to passively smoke, either.
***
Agreeing that smoking is bad, nasty,
smelly, dirty and bugs lots of folks is easy and quite probably causes
cancer but car exhaust is another example of what is possibly worse
than second hand smoke. You don't want to be around smoke and
smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
***
Public accomodation means equal access.
There's no way to eat without breathing.
Mark Doubt
wrote:
> "Mark Doubt" <markdo...@gmail.com> wrote in message
You typed words on a screen but I don't see the link to legitimate
documentation proving second hand smoke is bad. I know it bothers
people, not disputed but the negative health aspects of it are greatly
exaggerated, the proof just doesn't exist since it isn't true, it's an
annoyance and a majority of people don't like it.
Equal access shouldn't mean every business has to follow one rule set,
I believe that is your point? Are you really saying bars, restaurants,
retail, arts, commercial businesses, etc should be following the same
nationally developed rule set? Not local or state.....
Jerry Sturdivant
"Beldin the Idiot"
>>>> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because
>>>> millions that have smoked; and used to smoke; do
>>>> not have cancer.
>>> By that reasoning, we could argue that since not
>>> everyone who has sex gets pregnant, it's not proven
>>> that sex causes pregnancy.
>> Wrong reasoning. If you have sex you MAY get pregnant.
> Shithead, you obviously failed reading comprehension.
Says the guy that didn�t read what this discussion was about.
> Action A is known to cause action B if action A can be
> demonstrated to result in action B some percentage of
> the time. It doesn't have to be 100%, you fucked in the
> head moron.
Yet my statements remain absolutely correct. You really should take your own
advice and learn reading comprehension.
Jerry �n Vegas
- Condoms don't stop AIDS; People abstaining do.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Lab Rat"
>>>> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because
>>>> millions that have smoked; and used to smoke; do
>>>> not have cancer.
>>> By that reasoning, we could argue that since not
>>> everyone who has sex gets pregnant, it's not proven
>>> that sex causes pregnancy.
>> Wrong reasoning. If you have sex you MAY get pregnant.
>>
>> True or false?
> False.
> I'm male.
Damn! You got me there. Heh.
Do you smoke?
Jerry (who doesn't) 'n Vegas
- Facts will ruin a conservative's whole day.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Beldin the Idiot"
>>>> I didn't say it did. Read what I stated above: I said,
>>>> "The owner of the restaurant SHOULD make the
>>>> business decisions."
>>> No, he or she shouldn't.
>> Typical Republican. "You can't eat french-fries
>> because they contain fat."
> Shithead that's a DEMOCRAT mindset.
So they don�t contain fat if Republicans eat them?
> DEMOCRATS pass helmet laws and seat-belt laws,
> and ban trans-fats. How LONG have you been a
> complete shithead?
It�s easy to make fun of you because you�re so stupid. This discussion is
about CONSERVATIVES wanting to put restrictions on restaurant owners.
>> You're the one that didn't understand the thread.
> No, fuckhead, you're the one without a clue at all.
Yet I just proved it was you. Now how are you going to get out of that?
> No, shithead, I merely stated your position clearly for you.
Not with a stupid statement like that.
Do you understand the concept of the Tar Baby?
Jerry (lol) �n Vegas
- Garden: Rows of vegetables to keep the weeds apart.
Jerry Sturdivant
"Beldin the Idiot"
Pardon the repeated posts, but I just can�t pass up joining the folks that
make fun of this idiot.
>>>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
>>>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
>>>>> the manufacturer.
>>>> Nope. They 'think' it can
>>> No, shithead.
>>> It's been proven they do.
>> It's the general consensus you're an idiot; so they
>> won't mind if I continue to make fun of your stupidity.
No, fuckhead, the documented fact is, I'm well above average in IQ.
Heh. Yea, just ask you.
No, idiot. Once again; smoking MAY cause cancer. If you smoke it�s not a
sure thing you�ll get cancer.
Oh! Above 10 is not average IQ� (heh)
>> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because millions
>> that have smoked; and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
> Shithead, you failed reading comprehension how
> many times? Smoking causes cancer.
No it does not. I smoked and I did not get cancer. It MAY cause cancer. They
still can�t prove it.
> It's documented.
> Shooting someone with a bullet CAUSES death.
> People don't THINK it does. They KNOW it
Jesus you�re stupid.
�Everybody that ever been shot has died from it!�
Like I said:
>> You really are a stupid person.
I�m through bitch slapping you; it�s obvious you�re too stupid to understand
the written word.
Jerry �n Vegas
Jerry Sturdivant
"Mark Doubt"
> My take on several of the earlier posts was someone was
> making the point that second hand smoke was equally bad
> and I don't think you can provide confirmed, substantiated,
> documented proof from a reliable source that this is true.
> Agreeing that smoking is bad, nasty, smelly, dirty and
> bugs lots of folks is easy and quite probably causes cancer
> but car exhaust is another example of what is possibly worse
> than second hand smoke. You don't want to be around smoke
> and smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
And don't get shot. "If you get shot, you'll die."
Jerry (lol) 'n Vegas
- Free speech is not a euphemism for bad manners.
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Beldin the Genius
>
>
> Pardon the repeated posts, but I just can't pass up joining the folks that
> make fun of this idiot.
Multiple people have pointed out you're simply fucking wrong, because you
ARE wrong, and you're still masturbating in public and claiming you're
having sex.
>
>>>>>> Cigarettes are the only substances freely available
>>>>>> that cause cancer when used as recommended by
>>>>>> the manufacturer.
>
>>>>> Nope. They 'think' it can
>
>>>> No, shithead.
>>>> It's been proven they do.
>
>>> It's the general consensus you're an idiot; so they
>>> won't mind if I continue to make fun of your stupidity.
>
> No, fuckhead, the documented fact is, I'm well above average in IQ.
>
> Heh. Yea, just ask you.
No, ask the test results.
>
> No, idiot. Once again; smoking MAY cause cancer. If you smoke it's not a
> sure thing you'll get cancer.
Shithead, that's not what the term "Causes" means.
You're too stupid to understand that.
>
> Oh! Above 10 is not average IQ. (heh)
You've been a retard.
You are a retard.
You will always be a retard.
>
>
>
>>> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because millions
>>> that have smoked; and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
>
>> Shithead, you failed reading comprehension how
>> many times? Smoking causes cancer.
>
> No it does not. I smoked and I did not get cancer. It MAY cause cancer.
> They
> still can't prove it.
Shithead, it's BEEN proven.
Failing to give cancer to everyone who smokes does not invalidate the
statement
>
>
>> It's documented.
>> Shooting someone with a bullet CAUSES death.
>> People don't THINK it does. They KNOW it
>
> Jesus you're stupid.
>
No. Jerry.
You're an imbecile.
Your reasoning is illogical and stupid, as are most of your posts.
MULTIPLE people have pointed out how stupid you are for making this kind of
claim.
You, being a shithead, will continue looking like the retard you are.
Hell, you MUST be a republican troll
> "Everybody that ever been shot has died from it!"
You REALLY are a moron.
>
> Like I said:
>>> You really are a stupid person.
>
> I'm through bitch slapping you; it's obvious you're too stupid to
> understand
> the written word.
No, Jerry, the group has been shown repeatedly that you are. You fail
utterly to understand what A Causes B means.
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Beldin the Genius"
>
>
>
>>>>> I didn't say it did. Read what I stated above: I said,
>>>>> "The owner of the restaurant SHOULD make the
>>>>> business decisions."
>
>>>> No, he or she shouldn't.
>
>>> Typical Republican. "You can't eat french-fries
>>> because they contain fat."
>
>> Shithead that's a DEMOCRAT mindset.
>
> So they don't contain fat if Republicans eat them?
"Nanny State" ideals are Democratic ones.
>
>
>
>> DEMOCRATS pass helmet laws and seat-belt laws,
>> and ban trans-fats. How LONG have you been a
>> complete shithead?
>
> It's easy to make fun of you because you're so stupid. This discussion is
> about CONSERVATIVES wanting to put restrictions on restaurant owners.
No, shithead, the discussion is about LIBERALS wanting to.
You are too STUPID to read, apparently./
Smoking bans happen in DEMOCRATIC districts far more than REPUBLICAN ones.
I demonstrated that with cites earlier, and, you being a complete imbecile,
you ignore it and lie anyway.
AGAIN, Jerry, how long you been a shithead?
>
>
>
>>> You're the one that didn't understand the thread.
>
>> No, fuckhead, you're the one without a clue at all.
>
> Yet I just proved it was you. Now how are you going to get out of that?
You demonstrated you didn't prove a thing, nor understand the topic.
So I show you're a shithead
Beldin the Sorcerer
>
> "Beldin the Idiot"
>
>
>>>>> No, it's not proven smoking causes cancer because
>>>>> millions that have smoked; and used to smoke; do
>>>>> not have cancer.
>
>>>> By that reasoning, we could argue that since not
>>>> everyone who has sex gets pregnant, it's not proven
>>>> that sex causes pregnancy.
>
>>> Wrong reasoning. If you have sex you MAY get pregnant.
>
>> Shithead, you obviously failed reading comprehension.
>
> Says the guy that didn't read what this discussion was about.
That's the point.
>
>
>> Action A is known to cause action B if action A can be
>> demonstrated to result in action B some percentage of
>> the time. It doesn't have to be 100%, you fucked in the
>> head moron.
>
> Yet my statements remain absolutely correct. You really should take your
> own
> advice and learn reading comprehension.
No, fuckhead, your statement is irrelevent to the initial statement.
You're a fucking imbecile.
Beldin the Sorcerer
***
Ok, you're a shithead.
It's documented.
You didn't ask for a cite, you made a claim that wasn't accurate, and I
corrected your idiocy.
Penn and Teller's Bullshit stated second hand smoke wasn't shown to be
harmful.
They retracted, admitting they were wrong, the following year.
Big study out of London.
There's thousands of pages on second hand smoke being a known carcinogen.
Shitheads sit there and say "Prove it" over and over again.
***
Equal access shouldn't mean every business has to follow one rule set,
I believe that is your point? Are you really saying bars, restaurants,
retail, arts, commercial businesses, etc should be following the same
nationally developed rule set? Not local or state.....
***
Yes, idiot boy.
States are notoriously lax in antidiscrimination and access issues.
Pepe Papon
<jer...@cox.net> wrote:
>Typical Republican. �You can�t eat french-fries because they contain fat.�
No, typical Republican would be, "You can't eat Freedom Fries because
they're French!"
Pepe Papon
<mark...@gmail.com> wrote:
> You don't want to be around smoke and
>smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
Sounds good in theory, but in practice, that system wasn't working for
a substantial number of people. That's why many states and
localities have elected to institute smoking bans in restaurants and
bars.
Pepe Papon
<robbie....@spin.net.au> wrote:
>On Nov 26 2009 5:45 AM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>
>> No, it�s not proven smoking causes cancer because millions that have smoked;
>> and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
>
>By that reasoning, we could argue that since not everyone who has sex gets
>pregnant, it's not proven that sex causes pregnancy.
Labrat,
I was in a Sit'N'Go today on Full Tilt with a player named LabRat43.
That wasn't you, by any chance?
johnny_t
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:53:04 -0800 (PST), Mark Doubt
> <mark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You don't want to be around smoke and
>> smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
>
> Sounds good in theory, but in practice, that system wasn't working for
> a substantial number of people. That's why many states and
> localities have elected to institute smoking bans in restaurants and
> bars.
Actually with a level playing field of no smoking. After an initial
moderate downturn in traffic in some of the most arduous smoking venues,
there was an almost universal uptick in business, beyond what would be
explained by overall economic health.
More people simply went out to these places more often.
The scared businesses were simply wrong by and large. Large enough that
the outside cases are just outliers and don't represent any trend at all.
The cool kids all got used to going outside and smoking, and they along
with everyone else enjoyed the flavor of their food, and the smell of
AXE on the young-uns.
Beldin the Sorcerer
"Pepe Papon" <hitme...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote in message
news:bunug5p32pum7llr3...@4ax.com...
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:53:04 -0800 (PST), Mark Doubt
> <mark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> You don't want to be around smoke and
>>smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
>
> Sounds good in theory, but in practice, that system wasn't working for
> a substantial number of people. That's why many states and
> localities have elected to institute smoking bans in restaurants and
> bars.
> --
Had everything to do with the rules of public accomodations.
Lab Rat
No, not me. haven't played on FT for ages.
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Mark Doubt
<hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:53:04 -0800 (PST), Mark Doubt
>
> > You don't want to be around smoke and
> >smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
>
> Sounds good in theory, but in practice, that system wasn't working for
> a substantial number of people. That's why many states and
> localities have elected to institute smoking bans in restaurants and
> bars.
> --
> ~ Seth Jackson
>
> Songwriting and Music Business Info:http://www.sethjackson.net
Who wasn't it working for?? Squeaky wheel types?? Actually, you argued
my point to some degree, I like the fact that states and localities
make the rules, not the feds. I would further like it to be a more
specific to different types of businesses instead of just blanket "no
smoking" laws. And to clarify, I live in the Dallas area and the city
of Dallas passed a complete non-smoking law that took effect this
year, it doesn't bother me as i don't smoke but I still feel the
business owner should have the final say on his establishment,
especially bars and restaurants.
Mark Doubt
ROFL!!! Really Beldin?? First you say I didn't ask for a cite, maybe
not directly but someone with your incredible intellect should have
seen the inferred question from my post. And then citing Penn and
Teller!?!??!?!?!! I am just rolling on the floor with that one!!!
You really should take your show on the road.......
Penn and Teller???? Really????? LOL!!!!!!
Pepe Papon
<mark...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Nov 26, 11:13�pm, Pepe Papon
><hitmeis...@mindspring.dot.com.invalid> wrote:
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 06:53:04 -0800 (PST), Mark Doubt
>>
>> <markdo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > �You don't want to be around smoke and
>> >smokers, don't go to that establishment!!
>>
>> Sounds good in theory, but in practice, that system wasn't working for
>> a substantial number of people. � That's why many states and
>> localities have elected to institute smoking bans in restaurants and
>> bars.
>Who wasn't it working for?? Squeaky wheel types?? Actually, you argued
>my point to some degree, I like the fact that states and localities
>make the rules, not the feds. I would further like it to be a more
>specific to different types of businesses instead of just blanket "no
>smoking" laws. And to clarify, I live in the Dallas area and the city
>of Dallas passed a complete non-smoking law that took effect this
>year, it doesn't bother me as i don't smoke but I still feel the
>business owner should have the final say on his establishment,
>especially bars and restaurants.
It wasn't working for a big enough number of non-smokers that it has
become an issue with enough popular support to become law in many
places. Smoking bans have been instituted even in conservative
places like Tennessee.
--
~ Seth Jackson
MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong
Pepe Papon
<robbie....@spin.net.au> wrote:
>On Nov 27 2009 3:14 PM, Pepe Papon wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 26 Nov 2009 04:45:40 -0800, "Lab Rat"
>> <robbie....@spin.net.au> wrote:
>>
>> >On Nov 26 2009 5:45 AM, Jerry Sturdivant wrote:
>> >
>> >> No, it�s not proven smoking causes cancer because millions that have
>smoked;
>> >> and used to smoke; do not have cancer.
>> >
>> >By that reasoning, we could argue that since not everyone who has sex gets
>> >pregnant, it's not proven that sex causes pregnancy.
>>
>> Labrat,
>>
>> I was in a Sit'N'Go today on Full Tilt with a player named LabRat43.
>> That wasn't you, by any chance?
>> --
>> ~ Seth Jackson
>>
>> MySpace URL - http://www.myspace.com/sethjacksonsong
>> Songwriting and Music Business Info: http://www.sethjackson.net
>
>No, not me. haven't played on FT for ages.
Then it was an impostor!!!!!!
Mark Doubt
> Songwriting and Music Business Info:http://www.sethjackson.net
No argument the non-smokers are winning but I'm not sure it's not
further erosion of rights in the country for both individuals and
businesses that ultimately won't cost us all dearly. We are
restricting more and more things in more and more places but we are
continuing to grow population wise, when do we realize natural
selection is a good thing?? ;)
Beldin the Sorcerer
***
Wow!
A shithead completely unable to read!
I said P&T's Bullshit made your claim, and retracted it when a big study out
of London was published.
Now I KNOW you're a pathetic retard, but my god