Question about pot odds
Blackize
Im playing .25/.50 limit and get dealt AA. An EP players raises, I reraise, the
BB caps. Pot is now 3.10
The flop comes with an ace and 2 spades. BB bets, EP raises, I reraise, BB caps,
EP folds. Pot is now 5.60
Turn is a blank. BB bets, I raise, he reraises, I cap. Pot is now 9.60
River is the 3rd spade, EP bets and I sense something fishy and just call. Pot
is 10.60 BB turns over K3 of spades.
He has odds to cap every street, but only because he capped the previous street
and preflop. It just seems wrong to me that he has odds to play it this way. He
is getting slightly better than 1:1 on his money. Is it correct to play his draw
in this manner given this pot when he will only be getting 1.5:1 on his money
when he wins?
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He played it like an idiot. He was never getting the odds to bet or
raise. YOU posted this bad-beat story disguised as a real question. I
am not annoyed at HIM.
Will in New Haven
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Blackize
how to think of odds like this.
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15outs
No, he did not have the correct pot odds if he was getting 1 to 1 odds.
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> > > New Feature: Mark All As Read! - /
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> > He played it like an idiot. He was never getting the odds to bet or
> > raise. YOU posted this bad-beat story disguised as a real question. I
> > am not annoyed at HIM.
> >
> > Will in New Haven
> >
> > --
> >
> > "The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning;
> > His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air,
> > And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning.
> > The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair."
> > "Oracles," A.E. Housman
>
>
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Blackize
was getting on the flop was good enough to raise with what he though was his 35%
pot equity.
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Blackize
play on the flop not on the turn.
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Blackize wrote:
> I appologize, I think my logic was muddled and he only had odds to make this
> play on the flop not on the turn.
He certainly had the odds to call on the flop. Once he was headsup, he
was only getting 36% or so from every bet going in. He has no reason to
raise and re-raise, etc. All those bad actions on the flop make his
play on the turn less of a mistake but calling here would still be
better than raising. In a loose game with many callers, it can benefit
both the best hand and the best draw to have more money go in. Here, he
was apparently trying to give you money and failed. I feel bad for him.
Will in New Haven
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Tad Perry
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> This happened to me about a week and a half ago.
>
> Im playing .25/.50 limit and get dealt AA. An EP players raises, I
reraise, the
> BB caps. Pot is now 3.10
>
> The flop comes with an ace and 2 spades. BB bets, EP raises, I reraise, BB
caps,
> EP folds. Pot is now 5.60
This is not so bad since he does have odds to call and *might* buy a free
card and it will probably be capped anyway. Unfortunately, even if checked
to him on the turn, he doesn't actually appear bright enough to take that
free card on the turn if it does, in fact, develop. I'd rather call it
(almost no matter what I hold) and see if any of the remaining players feel
strong enough to cap it themselves.
> Turn is a blank. BB bets, I raise, he reraises, I cap. Pot is now 9.60
Now, the player is paying a large sum for a good card. He wouldn't be wrong
to call along, but it's best to pay as little as possible.
> River is the 3rd spade, EP bets and I sense something fishy and just call.
Pot
> is 10.60 BB turns over K3 of spades.
Now his play really becomes questionable, because if he'd been assured of a
cap on the river, his play wasn't so bad, but he didn't even get any bets
into him or raises on the river.
tvp
thenutlow
Think of it like this:
lets say he has a flush draw.. and the pot is 12 BB's
Now..on the turn he has no more money in his stack, but he has one more BB
in his pocket, in cash.
He takes it out and says, I want to bet this as well.
I have the AA, so of course I accept his bet.
But what is he winning with his bet? He is betting 1 BB to win 1 BB. He is
about a 4/1 dog to make his flush, so he certainly isn't getting the
correct bet odds to place such a bet.
His equity is in the pot, not in the future bets. His equity in all future
bets is 35% on the flop.
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torx
much more stupid to bet that and play that aggressively, unless he thinks
he can buy the pot.
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torx wrote:
> he only gets like 20% for every bet going in.
> much more stupid to bet that and play that aggressively, unless he thinks
> he can buy the pot.
On the flop, with a four-flush, his share is bigger than twenty. It
still doesn't make his raises sensible at all. He should have known
that he wasn't pushing anyone off this hand.
Will in New Haven
--
"The King with half the East at heel is marched from lands of morning;
His fighters drink the rivers up, their shafts benight the air,
And he that stays will die for naught, and home there's no returning.
The Spartans on the sea-wet rock sat down and combed their hair."
"Oracles," A.E. Housman
>
thenutlow
Think of it like this:
lets say he has a flush draw.. and the pot is 12 BB's
Now..on the turn he has no more money in his stack, but he has one more BB
in his pocket, in cash.
He takes it out and says, I want to bet this as well.
I have the AA, so of course I accept his bet.
But what is he winning with his bet? He is betting 1 BB to win 1 BB. He is
about a 4/1 dog to make his flush, so he certainly isn't getting the
correct bet odds to place such a bet.
His equity is in the pot, not in the future bets. His equity in all future
bets is 35% on the flop.
On May 28 2005 8:30 PM, Blackize wrote:
> This happened to me about a week and a half ago.
>
> Im playing .25/.50 limit and get dealt AA. An EP players raises, I reraise,
the
> BB caps. Pot is now 3.10
>
> The flop comes with an ace and 2 spades. BB bets, EP raises, I reraise, BB
caps,
> EP folds. Pot is now 5.60
>
> Turn is a blank. BB bets, I raise, he reraises, I cap. Pot is now 9.60
>
> River is the 3rd spade, EP bets and I sense something fishy and just call.
Pot
> is 10.60 BB turns over K3 of spades.
>
> He has odds to cap every street, but only because he capped the previous
street
> and preflop. It just seems wrong to me that he has odds to play it this way.
He
> is getting slightly better than 1:1 on his money. Is it correct to play his
draw
> in this manner given this pot when he will only be getting 1.5:1 on his money
> when he wins?
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Blackize
20% but since I actually did have a set of aces his pot share is actually 15%
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> He has odds to cap every street, but only because he capped the previous
street
> and preflop. It just seems wrong to me that he has odds to play it this way.
He
> is getting slightly better than 1:1 on his money. Is it correct to play his
draw
> in this manner given this pot when he will only be getting 1.5:1 on his money
> when he wins?
The person never had appropriate odds to justify betting. Every
unnecessary dollar that he voluntarily put into the pot had negative
expectation.
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There are no pot odds on a bet. Pot odds are about calling.
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Tad Perry
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> Dont think of it that way
>
> Think of it like this:
>
> lets say he has a flush draw.. and the pot is 12 BB's
>
> Now..on the turn he has no more money in his stack, but he has one more BB
> in his pocket, in cash.
>
> He takes it out and says, I want to bet this as well.
>
> I have the AA, so of course I accept his bet.
>
> But what is he winning with his bet? He is betting 1 BB to win 1 BB. He is
> about a 4/1 dog to make his flush, so he certainly isn't getting the
> correct bet odds to place such a bet.
>
> His equity is in the pot, not in the future bets. His equity in all future
> bets is 35% on the flop.
Quibble: If he makes his hand without pairing the board, the player with
Ks3s will have 100% equity in all bets on the river, and something less if
he makes his hand on the turn. As long as he is still drawing, there is no
equity (pos ev) in betting or raising further, as you state, UNLESS he has
enough opponents to cover it. (I believe having 5 others in the pot, who are
committed to going to the river, allows the player with the nut flush draw
to raise indiscriminately.)
tvp